No, I am the opposite of the market for this cable, because I am an electrical engineer, and you are a moron.
I'm not sure how much clearer I could have been in my post that it was a rip off for $500. I was just making the admittedly somewhat pedantic point that there is nothing remotely resembling Ethernet in Denon's use of this cable, so the title was incorrect at best, and inflammatory at (the intended) worst.
I didn't say it wasn't a Cat5 TP cable w/ RJ45 connectors - in fact I said that is likely what it IS.
I just said it's not Ethernet. Ethernet cable can be RJ45, but RJ45 doesn't have to be Ethernet. This application has NOTHING to do with Ethernet, it's transporting PCM audio over the cable. And it's stupidly expensive. But why not make the title of the article accurate?
This is an RJ45 cable. Actually, to be precise it's an RJ45 connector with an 8-wire cable (unknown if it's even a twisted pair cable, though I'd imagine so). Actually, to be really precise it's not even officially RJ45 but why go into that...
RJ45 cables are used for the ubiquitous 100BASE-TX Ethernet, of course, but also for plenty of other applications, some of them not even digital (for example, long distance transmission of component video signals).
I'm not saying that a $500 RJ45 twisted pair cable is not absurd, just that there ARE applications where a higher quality cable would make a difference; try running a 100m 1080i (analog) component video connection over $1/ft RJ45 and see how it looks compared to something better built for the job.
That said, looking at the intended use ("Denon-Link") it seems to be multichannel 192kbps PCM audio, hence $500 for 1.5m is obviously a total waste of money.
Ok, end rant. Point is, nothing about this cable or any of its uses has the SLIGHTEST thing to do with Ethernet, but now everyone seems to think Denon is selling a cable to stream MP3s over your home LAN (yeah, a 1.5m cable would be really useful for that...) Sigh, why is it that I expect more from/. editors and readers on these types of stories!?
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The Detroit Red Wings, the closest thing to a winning "dynasty" in the days of free-agency hockey. (4 Stanley Cups in 11 years). (Red & White hockey sweaters.) And the Detroit Lions... perennial losers, only a handful of playoff appearances in 40 years, and no chance of winning anything anytime in the forseeable future. (Blue & Grey [and black] jerseys) Or it could be decades of lackluster mis-management by the Lions owners (the Ford family), and a passionate winning attitude from the competent Red Wings owners (the Illich family).
And the opposite? New England Patriots, the "dynasty" of the NFL (blue) and the Chicago Blackhawks, consistenly one of the worst NHL teams in the last 10 years (red). Your second explanation just might have a BIT more plausibility: Bob Kraft... vs Bill Wirtz (enough said!)
Who cares if it is not interesting to you or to people outside the US? The set of people who are not you and live inside the US is plenty to make it worthwhile.
Also, if this were "offtopic" for slashdot, why is there an entire Section about it?
Politics This section is for news relevant to United States government politics. It was created primarily to cover the 2004 US Presidential Election, but today exists for occasional stories that fit the bill.
To nitpick... when in operation it's definitely 24/7, but not 365. They do shut it down several times a year (quarterly?) for maintenence.
Anyway, I hate the idea of decreasing the budget for something as important as Fermilab (I was an intern there for 2 summers and know a lot of people still there who I hope get to keep their jobs!) to pay for something as pointless as the war in Iraq, but I do have to agree that the title of this post was moronic, $5M did not "save Fermilab".
Sometimes people just need to realize ridiculous hyperbole can HURT an otherwise noble act... the anonymous donor obviously realized it, I wish the moronic poster/editor had as well...
Well at least I know you aren't the one marking this as offtopic/troll;) Can't see why it's offtopic when I respond directly to the comment in the original post, and can't see why it's a troll when I get several reasonable replies and a couple positive mods... unless "speaking out against the man" is now the definition of troll. Jeez, if that's true/. is dead.
Come on Cmdr Taco, you even pointed out that the article is nearly impossible to navigate, and most of the/. comments have shown how stupid the content is. Is it that slow of a day that you have to post stories you know are crap?
It's a piece of shit program that happens to be required/automatically installed with iTunes (which is slightly less annoying software in itself that unfortunately is a must have for those little trendy devices called iPods...
My reason begins with B... (as in Bankruptcy - I used to work for @Home until they were dragged to their doom by the dual Excite / Blue Mountain boat anchors)
Funny thing is that I can guarantee when Infospace bought the corpse they did at least migrate over not only people's email but all of their custom user/portal settings. Why? I just went back to "excite.com" after I don't know how many years and my personalized greeting still says, "Hello Chapter 11!"
Skinner: Well, I was wrong; the lizards are a godsend. Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards? Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse? Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat. Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas! Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.
Yeah, I guess ISPs have misused the term so badly it has taken on a new meaning... but can't/. at least use it correctly?
Bandwidth = transmission rate. If you get up to 8Mbps, that is your bandwidth limit/cap. If you get 250GB/month, that is your monthly maximum data allowance (data transferred = bandwidth * time, obviously!).
No ISP offers unlimited bandwidth! They are offering (though obviously not really allowing) unlimited use of the bandwidth they give you...
Anyway, I'm sure people will argue conventional usage has changed the meaning. I just wanted to remind people of the real meaning, since it seems to me that the incorrect one just lets the ISPs keep customers confused about what they are getting.
The flaw to *your* completely rational argument is that it doesn't take a rational argument to convince people, it takes a convincing argument. A person with enough charisma and influence could probably convince Congress and the greater public of anything. Luckily Jack Thompson has neither charisma nor influence...
For each option, the number of test cases doubles. You have to test the entire program with the option set, and with it not set.
That's a ridiculous statement. If that were true then even the simplest software would have literally millions of test cases. Obviously there are better ways to design test cases than "just have N^M tests" where N is the number of tests and M the number of "options". Duh.
No, I think the correct answer is, "What are you asking?" . . For example, was the wheel "invented", or did someone discover that rolling a circularly shaped object requires less energy than dragging an equally massive object? Was gunpowder "invented", or did someone discover than mixing certain chemicals together and setting fire to them caused an explosion? Was the telephone "invented", or did someone discover that you could convert sounds into electrical signals and back again by using magnets?
Um, you have just given threee great examples supporting the original poster's answer of *both*...
In each case the basic scientific principle (mechanics, chemistry, elctricity & magnetism) was discovered (sometimes unwittingly) and then the knowledge of that discovery used to engineer an invention (wheel, gunpowder, telephone). The "discovery" was an observation of a natural phenomenom, etc, and the "invention" was creating something that otherwise did not exist in nature that took advantage of those phenomena. If you wanted to be pedantic you might argue the first "wheel" could have been discovered ("hey, look at how that round rock rolls!") but please don't try to claim that set of 18" forged alloy wheels with vulcanized radials was "discovered".
This is exactly the same argument the OP was making. Mathematics clearly involves the invention of a language to express discoveries (or assist in making those discoveries).
Since when does grinding something small constitute nanotechnology?
Why mod this "interesting"?
There was no mention of "nanotechnology" anywhere in the article or summary. They are talking about nanoparticles.
Quoted from your local neighborhood Wikipedia:
"A nanoparticle which historically has included nanopowder, nanocluster, and nanocrystal is a small particle with at least one dimension less than 100 nm."
The Fellowship of the Rings - An Integra GS-R - didn't invest that much yet but it blew away your expectations and was high revving fun to boot. The Two Towers - a BMW Coupe - fun, fast, and satisfying, but weren't you always looking forward to the Porsche? The Return of the King - a Jaguar - you have waited this long, great looks and comfort at first, but in the end it's way overweight and breaks down before you'd expect.
So I really think the Hobbit could be more of a Lotus Elise (or depending on budget even a Miata!) - cheaper, lightweight, but just plain fun.
So... You UPS your encrypted laptop (and your clothes, shampoo, etc.) to wherever you are going and get on the airplane with as little technology as you are willing to lose when you travel.
I fail to see how DHS or TSA are still a problem for people traveling. I've done this for years (even before the whole "OH NOES! TERRORISTS!") and I have yet to lose an article of clothing or some bit of technology when I travel.
You obviously don't travel for business much. Part of the point of bringing a laptop is to USE it on the plane. And to use it when you get to your destination without having to wait who knows how long for a UPS delivery.
This is talking about international travel, anyway. For heavy business travel, the cost of continually overnighting a laptop to Asia and back when travelling probably adds up to more than the laptop's value pretty quickly.
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No, I am the opposite of the market for this cable, because I am an electrical engineer, and you are a moron.
I'm not sure how much clearer I could have been in my post that it was a rip off for $500. I was just making the admittedly somewhat pedantic point that there is nothing remotely resembling Ethernet in Denon's use of this cable, so the title was incorrect at best, and inflammatory at (the intended) worst.
I didn't say it wasn't a Cat5 TP cable w/ RJ45 connectors - in fact I said that is likely what it IS.
I just said it's not Ethernet. Ethernet cable can be RJ45, but RJ45 doesn't have to be Ethernet. This application has NOTHING to do with Ethernet, it's transporting PCM audio over the cable. And it's stupidly expensive. But why not make the title of the article accurate?
This is an RJ45 cable. Actually, to be precise it's an RJ45 connector with an 8-wire cable (unknown if it's even a twisted pair cable, though I'd imagine so). Actually, to be really precise it's not even officially RJ45 but why go into that...
/. editors and readers on these types of stories!?
RJ45 cables are used for the ubiquitous 100BASE-TX Ethernet, of course, but also for plenty of other applications, some of them not even digital (for example, long distance transmission of component video signals).
I'm not saying that a $500 RJ45 twisted pair cable is not absurd, just that there ARE applications where a higher quality cable would make a difference; try running a 100m 1080i (analog) component video connection over $1/ft RJ45 and see how it looks compared to something better built for the job.
That said, looking at the intended use ("Denon-Link") it seems to be multichannel 192kbps PCM audio, hence $500 for 1.5m is obviously a total waste of money.
Ok, end rant. Point is, nothing about this cable or any of its uses has the SLIGHTEST thing to do with Ethernet, but now everyone seems to think Denon is selling a cable to stream MP3s over your home LAN (yeah, a 1.5m cable would be really useful for that...) Sigh, why is it that I expect more from
The Detroit Red Wings, the closest thing to a winning "dynasty" in the days of free-agency hockey. (4 Stanley Cups in 11 years). (Red & White hockey sweaters.)
And the Detroit Lions... perennial losers, only a handful of playoff appearances in 40 years, and no chance of winning anything anytime in the forseeable future. (Blue & Grey [and black] jerseys)
Or it could be decades of lackluster mis-management by the Lions owners (the Ford family), and a passionate winning attitude from the competent Red Wings owners (the Illich family).
And the opposite? New England Patriots, the "dynasty" of the NFL (blue) and the Chicago Blackhawks, consistenly one of the worst NHL teams in the last 10 years (red).
Your second explanation just might have a BIT more plausibility: Bob Kraft... vs Bill Wirtz (enough said!)
Who cares if it is not interesting to you or to people outside the US? The set of people who are not you and live inside the US is plenty to make it worthwhile.
Also, if this were "offtopic" for slashdot, why is there an entire Section about it?
Politics
This section is for news relevant to United States government politics. It was created primarily to cover the 2004 US Presidential Election, but today exists for occasional stories that fit the bill.
I just looked at that wiki entry, and found this even weirder:
"It was named after John Birch, a United States military intelligence officer"
Not quite the exact same thing... this one is LESS accurate ;)
To nitpick... when in operation it's definitely 24/7, but not 365. They do shut it down several times a year (quarterly?) for maintenence.
Anyway, I hate the idea of decreasing the budget for something as important as Fermilab (I was an intern there for 2 summers and know a lot of people still there who I hope get to keep their jobs!) to pay for something as pointless as the war in Iraq, but I do have to agree that the title of this post was moronic, $5M did not "save Fermilab".
Sometimes people just need to realize ridiculous hyperbole can HURT an otherwise noble act... the anonymous donor obviously realized it, I wish the moronic poster/editor had as well...
Well at least I know you aren't the one marking this as offtopic/troll ;) Can't see why it's offtopic when I respond directly to the comment in the original post, and can't see why it's a troll when I get several reasonable replies and a couple positive mods... unless "speaking out against the man" is now the definition of troll. Jeez, if that's true /. is dead.
Come on Cmdr Taco, you even pointed out that the article is nearly impossible to navigate, and most of the /. comments have shown how stupid the content is. Is it that slow of a day that you have to post stories you know are crap?
It's a piece of shit program that happens to be required/automatically installed with iTunes (which is slightly less annoying software in itself that unfortunately is a must have for those little trendy devices called iPods...
My favorite analogy comes from Joe Rogan on News Radio:
"Dude, you can't take something off the Internet.. that's like trying to take pee out of a swimming pool."
My reason begins with B... (as in Bankruptcy - I used to work for @Home until they were dragged to their doom by the dual Excite / Blue Mountain boat anchors)
Funny thing is that I can guarantee when Infospace bought the corpse they did at least migrate over not only people's email but all of their custom user/portal settings. Why? I just went back to "excite.com" after I don't know how many years and my personalized greeting still says, "Hello Chapter 11!"
Skinner: Well, I was wrong; the lizards are a godsend.
Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?
Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.
Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?
Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.
Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!
Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.
My roommate has a box of over 500 AOL CDs that I will gladly donate. You may have to rechamber from 3.5" to 120mm, though :)
Yeah, I guess ISPs have misused the term so badly it has taken on a new meaning... but can't /. at least use it correctly?
Bandwidth = transmission rate. If you get up to 8Mbps, that is your bandwidth limit/cap. If you get 250GB/month, that is your monthly maximum data allowance (data transferred = bandwidth * time, obviously!).
No ISP offers unlimited bandwidth! They are offering (though obviously not really allowing) unlimited use of the bandwidth they give you...
Anyway, I'm sure people will argue conventional usage has changed the meaning. I just wanted to remind people of the real meaning, since it seems to me that the incorrect one just lets the ISPs keep customers confused about what they are getting.
The flaw to *your* completely rational argument is that it doesn't take a rational argument to convince people, it takes a convincing argument. A person with enough charisma and influence could probably convince Congress and the greater public of anything. Luckily Jack Thompson has neither charisma nor influence...
Eh, oops, that was supposed to be "*", not "^". Still, the point is the same :)
For each option, the number of test cases doubles. You have to test the entire program with the option set, and with it not set.
That's a ridiculous statement. If that were true then even the simplest software would have literally millions of test cases. Obviously there are better ways to design test cases than "just have N^M tests" where N is the number of tests and M the number of "options". Duh.
No, the correct answer is "both."
No, I think the correct answer is, "What are you asking?"
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For example, was the wheel "invented", or did someone discover that rolling a circularly shaped object requires less energy than dragging an equally massive object? Was gunpowder "invented", or did someone discover than mixing certain chemicals together and setting fire to them caused an explosion? Was the telephone "invented", or did someone discover that you could convert sounds into electrical signals and back again by using magnets?
Um, you have just given threee great examples supporting the original poster's answer of *both*...
In each case the basic scientific principle (mechanics, chemistry, elctricity & magnetism) was discovered (sometimes unwittingly) and then the knowledge of that discovery used to engineer an invention (wheel, gunpowder, telephone). The "discovery" was an observation of a natural phenomenom, etc, and the "invention" was creating something that otherwise did not exist in nature that took advantage of those phenomena. If you wanted to be pedantic you might argue the first "wheel" could have been discovered ("hey, look at how that round rock rolls!") but please don't try to claim that set of 18" forged alloy wheels with vulcanized radials was "discovered".
This is exactly the same argument the OP was making. Mathematics clearly involves the invention of a language to express discoveries (or assist in making those discoveries).
Since when does grinding something small constitute nanotechnology?
Why mod this "interesting"?
There was no mention of "nanotechnology" anywhere in the article or summary. They are talking about nanoparticles.
Quoted from your local neighborhood Wikipedia:
"A nanoparticle which historically has included nanopowder, nanocluster, and nanocrystal is a small particle with at least one dimension less than 100 nm."
See, no tiny machines necessary...
Wow, this would exclude half of eBay's customer base...
Still, you could have made a GOOD bad analogy...
The Fellowship of the Rings - An Integra GS-R - didn't invest that much yet but it blew away your expectations and was high revving fun to boot.
The Two Towers - a BMW Coupe - fun, fast, and satisfying, but weren't you always looking forward to the Porsche?
The Return of the King - a Jaguar - you have waited this long, great looks and comfort at first, but in the end it's way overweight and breaks down before you'd expect.
So I really think the Hobbit could be more of a Lotus Elise (or depending on budget even a Miata!) - cheaper, lightweight, but just plain fun.
Yeah, exactly. They are clearly off by an order of magnitude, unless they found a secret source of 1TB drives for $4 each....
So... You UPS your encrypted laptop (and your clothes, shampoo, etc.) to wherever you are going and get on the airplane with as little technology as you are willing to lose when you travel.
I fail to see how DHS or TSA are still a problem for people traveling. I've done this for years (even before the whole "OH NOES! TERRORISTS!") and I have yet to lose an article of clothing or some bit of technology when I travel.
You obviously don't travel for business much. Part of the point of bringing a laptop is to USE it on the plane. And to use it when you get to your destination without having to wait who knows how long for a UPS delivery.
This is talking about international travel, anyway. For heavy business travel, the cost of continually overnighting a laptop to Asia and back when travelling probably adds up to more than the laptop's value pretty quickly.