Other countries have crime too.. drugs, gangs, etc. And they don't see as many gun related murders.
Take Toronto (where I happen to work). We had somewhere near 80 murders last year in the GTA. An area with around 5-6 million people.
Toronto has gang problems (not on the LA scale). Toronto has drug problems. Toronto has race problems. But we don't have the same number of murders, gun related or not, as an equal sized american city.
The proliferation of guns, and the 'shoot first, ask questions later' of *some* of the gun totaling american people is the issue - not the fact that the guns are there.
I was 23 years old before I saw my first gun. (other than on a policeman) I've NEVER fired a gun. And where did I see this gun? It was in Ohio, and I was scared to death of the stupid thing. All my american friends played with it, shooting it, passing it around... my Canadian friends all shied away.
The only reason pistols exist is to kill people. Thats all. I see no reason why Americans feel the need to carry around a device capable of killing many people with a simple flick of the finger.
But, it's a cultural difference. You all belive that you must protect yourselfs from each other. We just believe that people aren't going to hurt us. Therefore, we don't carry guns, and don't have nearly the gun murder rate, because they simply aren't available.
Anyways, my $0.02 cents. The point is, America has a disproportionate rate of gun homocide for their population.
or maybe 'future, overqualified, helpdesk reps'... I went from Senior Network and Systems Admin to Customer Care Representative, telling pharmacists and cashiers how to use their mice.
Oh joy oh bliss thank GOD for all that hard work I put in...
I'm a great sysadmin, I can shell script no problem... but I digress.
They can be mutually exclusive.. I can admin a Netware server without EVER having to program a thing. windows too... *nix stuff, you need shell scripting at the most. Why do you think you need to be a 'programmer' to be a good sysadmin?
I've been trying to learn PHP/MySQL for about a year now, using only online documentation. Heres the problem I have with that...
I am not a programmer.
So when the documentation is telling me what something does, RARELY does it provide an example that makes sense. it's all documentation for programmers, outlining functions and classes and things I've never heard of...
I want to learn PHP/MySQL because I want to be able to build tools to use as a sysadmin, and for fun, but most tutorials are made for people who are programmers, and familiar with programming techniques. Hell, it took me ages to realize that you have to assign the output of a function to a variable.. (duh, I know)
Books like these provide solid code examples that I have a hard time finding online, and do it in a manner that builds upon the previous lessons in a very easy manner.
I wish I was a programmer, but at best I'm a cut 'n paster from things I can find.
If I wasn't currently unemployed, I'd pick this book up in a second so I could tear apart some of the phpnuke stuff I've been playing with and understand bits of it better..
yeah, but it isn't difficult to maintain 2... I actually maintain about 8 different email addresses.. some of them vanity, some of them for anonymity, some for spam, some for resumes etc...
Most email clients have a facility for checking more than one pop account, so it's not horribly difficult. As for my spam account, I let icq check it for me and I delete the emails directly off the server whenever they occur, without even downloading them.
I agree - it IS a hassle to start with, but it's worth it. I get over 100 emails a day and only about 5-10% are spam, and 95% of those get caught by cloudmark. I think thats a great reduction from the 50-60% that I know a lot of people get who just aren't careful or don't maintain a 'spam' account (normally hotmail) and a real account.
Sure - it isnt' going to stop the spammers, but in order to use some of the 'mandatory' services on the internet (fileplanet.. blah! kazaa, blah) you ARE going to get spam, so find a method to divert most of it.
And I don't think spammers 'win' because I keep a separate account.. we're not talking terrorism here, we're talking spammers. They really don't give a rats ass who they send mail to, as evidenced by my girlfriends repeated emails about enlarging her penis. And most of the time, they don't even know how many people even get it with this bad return-tos and such...
Even at 'our' level of knowledge, we all give out our email addresses every day. And we're not neophytes by any stretch.
Every day thousands of people sign into various sites, drop their email addresses here and there, never thinking of the consequence of where thats going to go, and not seeing the connection to the increased levels of spam. I have one spam account that I use for any site I think is going to sell/lease/rent/whatever my email and I watch it to see when increases begin. I don't ever give out a regular account, because I KNOW I'm going to get spam.
If we could educate the 'regular' masses of internet users that send emails to their family and friends, and surf for news, we'd be ahead already. If we could show them that by giving away your email address you ARE going to get spam, they might stop. The example that works for me is 'do you stop and give out your address to every single store you walk into? to the guys trying to 'give away' free newspapers?' If people learn to control their email address as they do the rest of their personal/private information, there will be less targets for spam.
My 'theory' works in practice. I get about 5 spams a day on my main account, which I use for various mailing lists, websites etc. I selectively give out my 'good' account, and what crap I do get Cloudmark gets rid of for me.
So if we could educate our friends/family not to just give up their email address to every site that wants it, every program they install, every popup that comes up, they'd get a lot less immediately.
I went to college with a gay newfie who was studying electronics engineering. Skip the russians... newfies can drink more than any human I've ever seen. Their 'pre-drinking' was a 24, then it was time to hit the hard stuff..
Ok... so having found nothing in here that explains what a 'mass equivalent' is... maybe you can.
How can something have the equivalant of mass, but not have mass? If it quacks like a duck...
And I 'understand' the particle/wave duality stuff, I did take lots of physics, but this is something thats confused me. Maybe someone here is smarter than my OAC Physics teacher and can finally tell me how something can BEHAVE like it has mass, how it can move things and be moved by things (gravity included), but not ACTUALLY have mass...
they have computers in NB? Wow... I thought everything east and west of Ontario was a desolate wasteland, inhabited by beavers and newfies.
You learn something new every day:)
I was out in NB last Nov.. loved it there, but seriously, outside of living in Moncton, and working in one of their many call centres, where is the main Geek market? I understand a lot of the companies out there need IT, but which ones? I'm looking for a move somewhere new...:)
format actually doesn't just mean erase... when you format c: it's laying out the disk into a way thats readable by the operating system. In the process, it erases everything, but thats a side effect.
format (fôrmt) n. -A plan for the organization and arrangement of a specified production. -The material form or layout of a publication.
Computer Science. -The arrangement of data for storage or display. -A method for achieving such an arrangement.
So the quote is saying that our culture formats us - it creates an underlying structure for us to live in.
Thank you for stating the obvious... finally someone who actually gets it. Slowly undermining out trust isn't terror - terror is bodies falling from 100 floors up. Terror is bombs strapped to bodies. Terror is a complete loss of trust in something that was once trustworthy...
While I agree that slowly crippling the economy is bad, it's not terrorism.
Actually, ICQ can be made to transport on all those ports if you play with it.
I worked at a company that ONLY allowed port 80 out, thru a proxy server. After fiddling with the server settings I got ICQ to connect and send/recieve messages..
ICQ works very hard to get out if the user wants it too...
I *JUST* bought a 7894 on the weekend... all the alpines are sattelite radio capable, and the 7894 has mp3 playback. It's a really great stereo, and was relatively cheap.
And what the hell do you do every day... you drive down the road, and you draw inferences from already preprogrammed facts (ie: experience). They are feeding experience to a thing that can't have those experiences itself. If we want to get human readable and usable data out of this sytem, and we don't want to give it arms and legs and eyes and all that stuff, then we need to give it the experiences that we all ahve on a daily basis so it can behave like us.
We aren't 'taught' morality either (well, unless we goto church or the equiv)... we learn what it is to be 'moral' by living in a society, learning its values, and applying them to our lives. What they are doing is teaching the system what our 'values' are, and allowing it to infer the rest from the basic logic (if a=b and b=c then logically, a=c).
To say it's dumb is assinine - it's doing the same thing we do every single day - it's just doing it in a different way, because it's limited in it's ability to live our lives with us.
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Ah yes .. the standard 'I disagree with you, so I will prove how much better I am by using big words and insulting you' reply.
Born a troll, lived as a troll, will die as a troll.
enjoy.
But ... a problem with that logic.
.. drugs, gangs, etc. And they don't see as many gun related murders.
... my Canadian friends all shied away.
Other countries have crime too
Take Toronto (where I happen to work). We had somewhere near 80 murders last year in the GTA. An area with around 5-6 million people.
Toronto has gang problems (not on the LA scale). Toronto has drug problems. Toronto has race problems. But we don't have the same number of murders, gun related or not, as an equal sized american city.
The proliferation of guns, and the 'shoot first, ask questions later' of *some* of the gun totaling american people is the issue - not the fact that the guns are there.
I was 23 years old before I saw my first gun. (other than on a policeman) I've NEVER fired a gun. And where did I see this gun? It was in Ohio, and I was scared to death of the stupid thing. All my american friends played with it, shooting it, passing it around
The only reason pistols exist is to kill people. Thats all. I see no reason why Americans feel the need to carry around a device capable of killing many people with a simple flick of the finger.
But, it's a cultural difference. You all belive that you must protect yourselfs from each other. We just believe that people aren't going to hurt us. Therefore, we don't carry guns, and don't have nearly the gun murder rate, because they simply aren't available.
Anyways, my $0.02 cents. The point is, America has a disproportionate rate of gun homocide for their population.
OMG! Reading your post made me remember that game from my Apple ][e days ... oh the memories!
sigh..
or maybe 'future, overqualified, helpdesk reps' ... I went from Senior Network and Systems Admin to Customer Care Representative, telling pharmacists and cashiers how to use their mice.
...
Oh joy oh bliss thank GOD for all that hard work I put in
I'm a great sysadmin, I can shell script no problem ... but I digress.
.. I can admin a Netware server without EVER having to program a thing. windows too ... *nix stuff, you need shell scripting at the most. Why do you think you need to be a 'programmer' to be a good sysadmin?
They can be mutually exclusive
I've been trying to learn PHP/MySQL for about a year now, using only online documentation. Heres the problem I have with that ...
...
.. (duh, I know)
I am not a programmer.
So when the documentation is telling me what something does, RARELY does it provide an example that makes sense. it's all documentation for programmers, outlining functions and classes and things I've never heard of
I want to learn PHP/MySQL because I want to be able to build tools to use as a sysadmin, and for fun, but most tutorials are made for people who are programmers, and familiar with programming techniques. Hell, it took me ages to realize that you have to assign the output of a function to a variable
Books like these provide solid code examples that I have a hard time finding online, and do it in a manner that builds upon the previous lessons in a very easy manner.
I wish I was a programmer, but at best I'm a cut 'n paster from things I can find.
If I wasn't currently unemployed, I'd pick this book up in a second so I could tear apart some of the phpnuke stuff I've been playing with and understand bits of it better..
cheers.
wow .. wish I had that option ... I've been unemployed for a year now and would bend over and take a rectal exam if it'd get me a job at this point.
booo to unemployment!
yeah, but it isn't difficult to maintain 2... I actually maintain about 8 different email addresses .. some of them vanity, some of them for anonymity, some for spam, some for resumes etc ...
.. blah! kazaa, blah) you ARE going to get spam, so find a method to divert most of it.
.. we're not talking terrorism here, we're talking spammers. They really don't give a rats ass who they send mail to, as evidenced by my girlfriends repeated emails about enlarging her penis. And most of the time, they don't even know how many people even get it with this bad return-tos and such ...
Most email clients have a facility for checking more than one pop account, so it's not horribly difficult. As for my spam account, I let icq check it for me and I delete the emails directly off the server whenever they occur, without even downloading them.
I agree - it IS a hassle to start with, but it's worth it. I get over 100 emails a day and only about 5-10% are spam, and 95% of those get caught by cloudmark. I think thats a great reduction from the 50-60% that I know a lot of people get who just aren't careful or don't maintain a 'spam' account (normally hotmail) and a real account.
Sure - it isnt' going to stop the spammers, but in order to use some of the 'mandatory' services on the internet (fileplanet
And I don't think spammers 'win' because I keep a separate account
Even at 'our' level of knowledge, we all give out our email addresses every day. And we're not neophytes by any stretch.
Every day thousands of people sign into various sites, drop their email addresses here and there, never thinking of the consequence of where thats going to go, and not seeing the connection to the increased levels of spam. I have one spam account that I use for any site I think is going to sell/lease/rent/whatever my email and I watch it to see when increases begin. I don't ever give out a regular account, because I KNOW I'm going to get spam.
If we could educate the 'regular' masses of internet users that send emails to their family and friends, and surf for news, we'd be ahead already. If we could show them that by giving away your email address you ARE going to get spam, they might stop. The example that works for me is 'do you stop and give out your address to every single store you walk into? to the guys trying to 'give away' free newspapers?' If people learn to control their email address as they do the rest of their personal/private information, there will be less targets for spam.
My 'theory' works in practice. I get about 5 spams a day on my main account, which I use for various mailing lists, websites etc. I selectively give out my 'good' account, and what crap I do get Cloudmark gets rid of for me.
So if we could educate our friends/family not to just give up their email address to every site that wants it, every program they install, every popup that comes up, they'd get a lot less immediately.
I found some great resulting using google ...
e =UTF-8&q=bidirectional+satellite+internet&spel l=1
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&o
I went to college with a gay newfie who was studying electronics engineering. Skip the russians ... newfies can drink more than any human I've ever seen. Their 'pre-drinking' was a 24, then it was time to hit the hard stuff ..
AND they'd make it to class the next day.
inconceivable!
Gah.
Well, there goes my brain.
Thanks for the link, but I think I hurt something. Time to go numb the pain with beer.
Ok ... so having found nothing in here that explains what a 'mass equivalent' is ... maybe you can.
...
...
How can something have the equivalant of mass, but not have mass? If it quacks like a duck
And I 'understand' the particle/wave duality stuff, I did take lots of physics, but this is something thats confused me. Maybe someone here is smarter than my OAC Physics teacher and can finally tell me how something can BEHAVE like it has mass, how it can move things and be moved by things (gravity included), but not ACTUALLY have mass
please, make me smart!
they have computers in NB? Wow ... I thought everything east and west of Ontario was a desolate wasteland, inhabited by beavers and newfies.
:)
.. loved it there, but seriously, outside of living in Moncton, and working in one of their many call centres, where is the main Geek market? I understand a lot of the companies out there need IT, but which ones? I'm looking for a move somewhere new ... :)
You learn something new every day
I was out in NB last Nov
Cheers.
and other fungi. They grow especially well in large corporate envrionments - they're normally laden with bullshit ...
should provide some assistance.
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...
I used to work in a provisioning dept, and we were tasked with some of this stuff, helping people, giving them contact information
If you're lucky enough, you'll get someone useful on the phone who should help you out.
Good luck
format actually doesn't just mean erase ... when you format c: it's laying out the disk into a way thats readable by the operating system. In the process, it erases everything, but thats a side effect.
format (fôrmt)
n.
-A plan for the organization and arrangement of a specified production.
-The material form or layout of a publication.
Computer Science.
-The arrangement of data for storage or display.
-A method for achieving such an arrangement.
So the quote is saying that our culture formats us - it creates an underlying structure for us to live in.
Least, thats how I see it.
I think they were on the Simpsons once ... beyond that, I dunno.
..
But they could rock down a wall of trash, so they must rock
Thank you for stating the obvious ... finally someone who actually gets it. Slowly undermining out trust isn't terror - terror is bodies falling from 100 floors up. Terror is bombs strapped to bodies. Terror is a complete loss of trust in something that was once trustworthy ...
While I agree that slowly crippling the economy is bad, it's not terrorism.
Well said.
Actually, ICQ can be made to transport on all those ports if you play with it.
..
...
I worked at a company that ONLY allowed port 80 out, thru a proxy server. After fiddling with the server settings I got ICQ to connect and send/recieve messages
ICQ works very hard to get out if the user wants it too
(I think he might have been being a proud father more than actually demanding she become a hacker. Sarcasm and irony or something like that ...)
I *JUST* bought a 7894 on the weekend ... all the alpines are sattelite radio capable, and the 7894 has mp3 playback. It's a really great stereo, and was relatively cheap.
Alpine 7894
testify brother ...
:)
a toast to being alone
*cheers*
And what the hell do you do every day ... you drive down the road, and you draw inferences from already preprogrammed facts (ie: experience).
... we learn what it is to be 'moral' by living in a society, learning its values, and applying them to our lives. What they are doing is teaching the system what our 'values' are, and allowing it to infer the rest from the basic logic (if a=b and b=c then logically, a=c).
They are feeding experience to a thing that can't have those experiences itself. If we want to get human readable and usable data out of this sytem, and we don't want to give it arms and legs and eyes and all that stuff, then we need to give it the experiences that we all ahve on a daily basis so it can behave like us.
We aren't 'taught' morality either (well, unless we goto church or the equiv)
To say it's dumb is assinine - it's doing the same thing we do every single day - it's just doing it in a different way, because it's limited in it's ability to live our lives with us.
.. and not a single girl. :)