Well, I won't screw any 13 year old and make her pregnant just to have fun. That would be heavily screwing up her life. There is only one condition I'd do that, and that is I really want to stay with her. But as said, that is very unlikely.
So, to put it plain, there are countless ways of screwing up anyones life. And any of them is a bad thing. This is not just limited to sex with minors. Even sex with adults can screw their life. What I want to say is, just by having sex with a minor you don't screw their life, but by exploiting and abusing them you do.
And a final comment, when emotionally mature is a must, noone or actually only very few people should have sex at all. What exactly is emotionally mature after all anyway?
Well, I think it's highly unlikely that I find myself interested in someone under 14 and still pretty unlikely that I find myself interested in anyone under 20. It's just, that's an emotional thing, and noone who has any honesty standards should ever make any promises about his emotions. You just cannot guarantee you will never feel that way or you will always feel that way (Like in the "I will always love you" phrase).
1. What is the base of any culture? Socialisation and education. 2. What is the root of our western culture? Ancient Greece. 3. What was the base of socialisation and education in ancient Greece? A pedophile tutoring system. 4. So isn't anyone condemning pedophilia attacking the very base of our society?
But seriously now. There are only two general rules to sex in my opinion:
1. All involved have to be sexually mature. 2. All involved have to be consent.
The problem is with the interpretation of those two rules. Sexually mature is to me, who is biologically mature, e.g. a girl with a period and a boy that can ejaculate. Extending this to mental maturity is simply not possible. Then noone should actually have sex. Consent is complicated too. What if you are consent at first, but your partner turns out to be a sadistic pig, or just an "insensitive clod", and you don't like it that way? Is every sex you regret afterwards sex without consent, e.g. a rape? Or you are not consent, are somewhat pressed into it and it turns out you like it. Unlikely, but I bet that happens once in a while. Is that still unconsenting sex?
So, to me the problem with child porn is not primarily the young age. Only to the extent the young age implies not being biologically ready for sex (which is sadly quite often the case, hence the name child porn). The problem is, plainly, that there is no consent, that the children are exploited and used for commercial means. Speak, the problem is the market, and humans are a ressource to exploit and throw away. For the major part of history in the vast majority of the world it was the rule that very young girls got married to older men. And I don't want to put myself into the position, to judge the vast majority of mankind that ever existed as mental cripples due to sexual abuse. That being said, I think child porn is terrible, but probably not for the reasons most people think. And I'd also like to add, I never had sex with a minor, not even when I was a minor myself (I'm a/.er after all), but I would have no problem with that, if I'd find some minor I'm really interested in and figure she is too.
No economic concept has a scientific proof. As stated before...economics is basically "I have no clue what is going on, but I need numbers to justify my decisions".
The economic theory, that comes closest to a scientific approach is lined out in "The Capital" by K.Marx. Put since it leaves out the human psychological factor to a major degree (a prerequisite to make it somewhat scientific) it is not really applyable as a general theory (although it explains a lot pretty accurate)
> Creationim's explanation would be that God created amphibians on large land masses but not small ones because it was part of his plan. From there, I'd like to know how or why this is part of God's plan.
Another example on this, more approachable to the regular Joe:
So who has butt pubes? Are they any good for anything? Even more, aren't they quite bugging and quite often pretty revolting? So butt pubes are, all in all, an absolutely absurd and disgusting nuisance. Would any intelligence, any thinking being, make the major part of humanity almost completely naked, but punishing them at the same time with a hairy, crap catching anus? Who would seriously think about things like that? Can such a sick mind exist?
We all know, that today even the process of getting "pure" facts is political.
I mean, there is nothing wrong with manipulating the process of aquiring and distributing data. I just think it's funny, that those same people manipulating the data, believe in their own manipulated data and base their decisions on that. And even funnier, are wondering why things are not working the way they want. (Weapons of Mass destruction anyone? Or manipulated corporate accounting?)
Is not the main point of non-volatile memory. The two main advantages are significatly less power consumption (only put energy into it, when you want to change the sate, not on every single cycle) and having permanent storage at the speed of System Memory (may I see the time coming, when there will be no seperate permanent storage devices, like hds and all this periphery, with all the bus technology and other error prone parts?...It's a long shot, but this is an important first step)
At least it's great mindless shit! Agreed, it diminishes over time. But it has some of the most freaking hilarious and cool characters. Although they are mostly not the main characters. E.g. Fat Boo is my favourite villain of all time!
I'm a little disappointed by the German beer selection. Those are all pretty exotic beers noone really drinks over here. Where are thie big ones? Like Radeberger, Krombacher or Hasseroder? Not even Wernesgruner?
The Czech beer selection is ok, but it is a shame that the Czech original Budweiser isn't in there. That is aBud that actually tastes like beer. And even many Germans claim it to be the best beer in the world. Ok, enough ranting.
On modern agriculture. On the the danger of sounding like a Greenpeace hippie. Archeologist found out the per acre food production of the celts on the British Isles about 500 BC was about the same as the per acre production in the same areas in 1960. They obviously had a more human work intense style of agriculture, but calling it less efficient just because of this? They at least had healthy food and a healthy environment where you can imagine growing up children (apart from the tribal battles), and noone unemployed;)
I won't say, that putting mor human labor into agriculture would solve all our problems, but it would definitely make all these problems less severe: less Health problems by lack of physical workout less Health problems by bad food less Health probnlems by environmental poisons less species extiction by monocultural an monotounus (sp?) landscapes less people who cannot feed themselves (cheap joke, but it has something to ist, if you think about it) less unemployment less jobs that make absolutely no sense
If you want to do something, then do it and don't expect anything in return. And if you only do something when you expect something in return...shame over you! This is not a rant to Mr.....he did more than most do and now just has to deal with real world manifestations of ethical conflicts.
Doing something you like for money is whoring. Doing something you hate or don't care about for money is self destructive and whoring.
Hard work == Money ? That is a bit simple interpretation of "The Capital" of Karl Marx.
You should add just a few words (still simple):
Others hard work == my money + goods for everyone.
But in this case it is:
My hard work == my money + fun for one person - fun for everyone else.
And both "equations" exist in different "topological spaces". The problem comes from the small intersection between the spaces.
Damn, I just read what I wrote. That is cerebral diarrhea.
First, as an American, I view it thus: We don't have a "law giving" me freedom of speech. I have that as a fundamental and inalienable right, just as the poster does and indeed all people do. In the US, we have laws (esp. the First Amendment) that helps safeguard that right. I can't hear that again.
Nobody has any "fundamental and inalienable right". All this rights argumentation has already proved itself of being some fairy tale. Everybody can do whatever he wants as long as he is willing to bear the consequences. And even if he is not willing to bear the consequences he can do whatever he wants, he has to bear them anyway.
The only thing you can say is that it has some advantages to treat the people in a fair way, or at least let them believe to be treated fairly.
It has some disadvantages as well. People being treated fair for a long time believe they have the right to be treated fair.
Just some examples:
the right to eat - what is it for, when there is just nothing there to eat?
the right to be physical unharmed - try to convince a the 3 inch hailstone falling on your head of that, or the mother whose child you just ran over (your right and the childs right)
the right to say everything you want - bad idea in snowy mountains, in an election campaign, in front of your boss or Tom Cruise
the human dignity is untouchable - Jerry Springer?
First, as an American, I view it thus: We don't have a "law giving" me freedom of speech. I have that as a fundamental and inalienable right, just as the poster does and indeed all people do. In the US, we have laws (esp. the First Amendment) that helps safeguard that right.
I can't hear that again. Nobody has any "fundamental and inalienable right". All this rights argumentation has already proved itself of being some fairy tale. Everybody can do whatever he wants as long as he is willing to bear the consequences. And even if he is not willing to bear the consequences he can do whatever he wants, he has to bear them anyway.
The only thing you can say is that it has some advantages to treat the people in a fair way, or at least let them believe to be treated fairly. It has some disadvantages as well. People being treated fair for a long time believe they have the right to be treated fair.
Just some examples:
the right to eat:
what is it for, when there is just nothing there to eat?
the right to be physical unharmed
try to convince a the 3 inch hailstone falling on your head of that, or the mother whose child you just ran over (your right and the childs right)
the right to say everything you want
bad idea in snowy mountains, in an election campaign, in front of your boss or Tom Cruise
the human dignity is untouchable
Jerry Springer?
Or is there already one? Giving date and place and ways to get a guest or participant would help a lot more than/.ting websites and making all the same discussions on./ again and again. People on./ know about thess isssues.
And I think a real world/. effects on such events would be much more effective than only RMS appearing.
It is a shame that only abortion, weapons and globalization events get protests in the US.
In Germany it is environmental issues and globalization, and there are the neonazis and the popular counter demonstrations.
But I can't help myself: A crowd of pale geek zealots in DeCSS t-shirts shouting "bytes are bytes", "Don't patent Pythagoras" and "Ideas need to fly" makes me laugh.
gimpboy got my idea. But I think it sounds a bit harsh. So I'm still able to find some good piece of work, but the problem is, good new pieces of work I find very rarely.
Besides technical books I seldomly read something newer than 50 years, as I have to be interested in things I read, and I have to hear about it therefore. I think there are 10 books at maximum from that period I will remember (Including stuff like Hitchhiker's Guide, TLOTR, The King David Report, and some Walter Moers Comics and Books).
In the 18th and the beginning of the 19th century there was quite a big amount of people to learn read and write but they still cared about the apreciations of the "old elite". So this was a time very productive and still having a chance to be recognized when you are good. This is over now.
From 1993 to 1998 there was a similar period in the internet, but this is over, too. Just look at slashdot, that accepts posters like me.
...is decreasing the things and doesn't help the bodies. There was a time when education (=basically learning to read and write) was only for the rich and the talented patronized by the rich. This made them an elite and the works created by this elite could only be appreciated by this elite. The most wide spread works were the ones appreciated by an educated and aware audience.
Thoday the most widespread works are the ones appreciated by the average men.
In the past books from Aristotle, Petronicus, Dante and the like where remembered. Today something like Dawson's Creek books are the ones.
There may be some rare gems, but you just cannot see them anymore. The net made the same development in the last 20 years.
The difference is that for corporations the US is a single huge offshore island. That's the reason why Mr. Gates, despite the lawsuit, still doesn't buy a carribian Island, declares it an own state (he has the money and the lawyers to convince some states there) and moves Redmond there. There is just no need to do so, as he already has this island.
Slashdot Mirror
Well, I won't screw any 13 year old and make her pregnant just to have fun. That would be heavily screwing up her life. There is only one condition I'd do that, and that is I really want to stay with her. But as said, that is very unlikely.
So, to put it plain, there are countless ways of screwing up anyones life. And any of them is a bad thing. This is not just limited to sex with minors. Even sex with adults can screw their life. What I want to say is, just by having sex with a minor you don't screw their life, but by exploiting and abusing them you do.
And a final comment, when emotionally mature is a must, noone or actually only very few people should have sex at all. What exactly is emotionally mature after all anyway?
Well, I think it's highly unlikely that I find myself interested in someone under 14 and still pretty unlikely that I find myself interested in anyone under 20. It's just, that's an emotional thing, and noone who has any honesty standards should ever make any promises about his emotions. You just cannot guarantee you will never feel that way or you will always feel that way (Like in the "I will always love you" phrase).
Some subversive conclusion chain:
/.er after all), but I would have no problem with that, if I'd find some minor I'm really interested in and figure she is too.
1. What is the base of any culture? Socialisation and education.
2. What is the root of our western culture? Ancient Greece.
3. What was the base of socialisation and education in ancient Greece? A pedophile tutoring system.
4. So isn't anyone condemning pedophilia attacking the very base of our society?
But seriously now. There are only two general rules to sex in my opinion:
1. All involved have to be sexually mature.
2. All involved have to be consent.
The problem is with the interpretation of those two rules. Sexually mature is to me, who is biologically mature, e.g. a girl with a period and a boy that can ejaculate. Extending this to mental maturity is simply not possible. Then noone should actually have sex.
Consent is complicated too. What if you are consent at first, but your partner turns out to be a sadistic pig, or just an "insensitive clod", and you don't like it that way? Is every sex you regret afterwards sex without consent, e.g. a rape? Or you are not consent, are somewhat pressed into it and it turns out you like it. Unlikely, but I bet that happens once in a while. Is that still unconsenting sex?
So, to me the problem with child porn is not primarily the young age. Only to the extent the young age implies not being biologically ready for sex (which is sadly quite often the case, hence the name child porn). The problem is, plainly, that there is no consent, that the children are exploited and used for commercial means. Speak, the problem is the market, and humans are a ressource to exploit and throw away.
For the major part of history in the vast majority of the world it was the rule that very young girls got married to older men. And I don't want to put myself into the position, to judge the vast majority of mankind that ever existed as mental cripples due to sexual abuse.
That being said, I think child porn is terrible, but probably not for the reasons most people think. And I'd also like to add, I never had sex with a minor, not even when I was a minor myself (I'm a
No economic concept has a scientific proof. As stated before...economics is basically "I have no clue what is going on, but I need numbers to justify my decisions".
The economic theory, that comes closest to a scientific approach is lined out in "The Capital" by K.Marx. Put since it leaves out the human psychological factor to a major degree (a prerequisite to make it somewhat scientific) it is not really applyable as a general theory (although it explains a lot pretty accurate)
Wasn't that a Nietzsche quote? Sort of:
Money lost is money best spent, since it directly pays off into wisdom.
> Creationim's explanation would be that God created amphibians on large land masses but not small ones because it was part of his plan. From there, I'd like to know how or why this is part of God's plan.
Another example on this, more approachable to the regular Joe: So who has butt pubes? Are they any good for anything? Even more, aren't they quite bugging and quite often pretty revolting? So butt pubes are, all in all, an absolutely absurd and disgusting nuisance. Would any intelligence, any thinking being, make the major part of humanity almost completely naked, but punishing them at the same time with a hairy, crap catching anus? Who would seriously think about things like that? Can such a sick mind exist?
You know you are playing too much CounterStrike, when you are in the LA Getty Museum and can't help but thinking what a great map that would be!
;)
Maybe that's a nice mod for the upcoming Doom3.
Art Robbery.
Goal for the robber team (with specialized classes of course)is to steal any randomly selected painting/artifact.
And the fat security guys team of course has to try to survive.
Both can buy different equipment with their funds,
install alarm systems, carry lockpicking sets etc..
That idea is for free
We all know, that today even the process of getting "pure" facts is political.
I mean, there is nothing wrong with manipulating the process of aquiring and distributing data. I just think it's funny, that those same people manipulating the data, believe in their own manipulated data and base their decisions on that. And even funnier, are wondering why things are not working the way they want. (Weapons of Mass destruction anyone? Or manipulated corporate accounting?)
Is not the main point of non-volatile memory. The two main advantages are significatly less power consumption (only put energy into it, when you want to change the sate, not on every single cycle) and having permanent storage at the speed of System Memory (may I see the time coming, when there will be no seperate permanent storage devices, like hds and all this periphery, with all the bus technology and other error prone parts?...It's a long shot, but this is an important first step)
At least it's great mindless shit! Agreed, it diminishes over time. But it has some of the most freaking hilarious and cool characters. Although they are mostly not the main characters. E.g. Fat Boo is my favourite villain of all time!
Smurfs are the epitome of moral degradation!
A village of boys running arounf half-naked all day and even the little blue snag hanging out!
I don't even want to ask what they are doing with that single girl in the village.
I'm a little disappointed by the German beer selection. Those are all pretty exotic beers noone really drinks over here. Where are thie big ones? Like Radeberger, Krombacher or Hasseroder? Not even Wernesgruner?
The Czech beer selection is ok, but it is a shame that the Czech original Budweiser isn't in there. That is aBud that actually tastes like beer. And even many Germans claim it to be the best beer in the world. Ok, enough ranting.
He seems to have, uhm, good, uhm, people skills.
On modern agriculture. On the the danger of sounding like a Greenpeace hippie. ;)
Archeologist found out the per acre food production of the celts on the British Isles about 500 BC was about the same as the per acre production in the same areas in 1960. They obviously had a more human work intense style of agriculture, but calling it less efficient just because of this? They at least had healthy food and a healthy environment where you can imagine growing up children (apart from the tribal battles), and noone unemployed
I won't say, that putting mor human labor into agriculture would solve all our problems, but it would definitely make all these problems less severe:
less Health problems by lack of physical workout
less Health problems by bad food
less Health probnlems by environmental poisons
less species extiction by monocultural an monotounus (sp?) landscapes
less people who cannot feed themselves (cheap joke, but it has something to ist, if you think about it)
less unemployment
less jobs that make absolutely no sense
Just an ethical problem.
....he did more than most do and now just has to deal with real world manifestations of ethical conflicts.
If you want to do something, then do it and don't expect anything in return. And if you only do something when you expect something in return...shame over you! This is not a rant to Mr.
Doing something you like for money is whoring. Doing something you hate or don't care about for money is self destructive and whoring.
Hard work == Money ? That is a bit simple interpretation of "The Capital" of Karl Marx.
You should add just a few words (still simple):
Others hard work == my money + goods for everyone.
But in this case it is:
My hard work == my money + fun for one person - fun for everyone else.
And both "equations" exist in different "topological spaces". The problem comes from the small intersection between the spaces.
Damn, I just read what I wrote. That is cerebral diarrhea.
It has nothing to do with fearing the consequences. It has just something to do with living together with other people.
Nobody has any "fundamental and inalienable right". All this rights argumentation has already proved itself of being some fairy tale. Everybody can do whatever he wants as long as he is willing to bear the consequences. And even if he is not willing to bear the consequences he can do whatever he wants, he has to bear them anyway.
The only thing you can say is that it has some advantages to treat the people in a fair way, or at least let them believe to be treated fairly.
It has some disadvantages as well. People being treated fair for a long time believe they have the right to be treated fair.
Just some examples:
First, as an American, I view it thus: We don't have a "law giving" me freedom of speech. I have that as a fundamental and inalienable right, just as the poster does and indeed all people do. In the US, we have laws (esp. the First Amendment) that helps safeguard that right. I can't hear that again. Nobody has any "fundamental and inalienable right". All this rights argumentation has already proved itself of being some fairy tale. Everybody can do whatever he wants as long as he is willing to bear the consequences. And even if he is not willing to bear the consequences he can do whatever he wants, he has to bear them anyway.
The only thing you can say is that it has some advantages to treat the people in a fair way, or at least let them believe to be treated fairly. It has some disadvantages as well. People being treated fair for a long time believe they have the right to be treated fair.
Just some examples: the right to eat: what is it for, when there is just nothing there to eat? the right to be physical unharmed try to convince a the 3 inch hailstone falling on your head of that, or the mother whose child you just ran over (your right and the childs right) the right to say everything you want bad idea in snowy mountains, in an election campaign, in front of your boss or Tom Cruise the human dignity is untouchable Jerry Springer?
Or is there already one? Giving date and place and ways to get a guest or participant would help a lot more than /.ting websites and making all the same discussions on ./ again and again. People on ./ know about thess isssues.
And I think a real world /. effects on such events would be much more effective than only RMS appearing.
It is a shame that only abortion, weapons and globalization events get protests in the US.
In Germany it is environmental issues and globalization, and there are the neonazis and the popular counter demonstrations.
But I can't help myself: A crowd of pale geek zealots in DeCSS t-shirts shouting "bytes are bytes", "Don't patent Pythagoras" and "Ideas need to fly" makes me laugh.
How about a 5k operating system contest?
gimpboy got my idea. But I think it sounds a bit harsh. So I'm still able to find some good piece of work, but the problem is, good new pieces of work I find very rarely.
Besides technical books I seldomly read something newer than 50 years, as I have to be interested in things I read, and I have to hear about it therefore. I think there are 10 books at maximum from that period I will remember (Including stuff like Hitchhiker's Guide, TLOTR, The King David Report, and some Walter Moers Comics and Books). In the 18th and the beginning of the 19th century there was quite a big amount of people to learn read and write but they still cared about the apreciations of the "old elite". So this was a time very productive and still having a chance to be recognized when you are good. This is over now. From 1993 to 1998 there was a similar period in the internet, but this is over, too. Just look at slashdot, that accepts posters like me.
...is decreasing the things and doesn't help the bodies. There was a time when education (=basically learning to read and write) was only for the rich and the talented patronized by the rich. This made them an elite and the works created by this elite could only be appreciated by this elite. The most wide spread works were the ones appreciated by an educated and aware audience. Thoday the most widespread works are the ones appreciated by the average men. In the past books from Aristotle, Petronicus, Dante and the like where remembered. Today something like Dawson's Creek books are the ones. There may be some rare gems, but you just cannot see them anymore. The net made the same development in the last 20 years.
I'm proud of it.
The difference is that for corporations the US is a single huge offshore island. That's the reason why Mr. Gates, despite the lawsuit, still doesn't buy a carribian Island, declares it an own state (he has the money and the lawyers to convince some states there) and moves Redmond there. There is just no need to do so, as he already has this island.