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Ghost in the Shell 2 in Theaters Late This Summer
Peter Williams writes "Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence is due out in theaters late summer 2004. The english website can be reached here."
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Man, that movie is my favorite naked assassin movie ever. Can't wait!
The Neo-Bohemian Techno-Socialist
Ghost in the Shell was one of the most impressive Animes I have ever seen! If your not yet a fan of anime the original Ghost in the Shell is a hell of a place to start. Heres hoping the sequel will do it justice!
Ghost in the Shell has nothing to do with Final Fantasy.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
Maybe a bug in Firefox, but I hate the jazzy, flashy movie websites anyway.
An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
Sorry, misread the title and thought this was about the news that another Final Fantasy movie is being released...
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/me goes to corner and hangs head in shame chanting RTFA RTFA RTFA rtfa
I'm still waiting for one of the fansub groups to release a version. It won't stop me from going to the theatre and buying the DVD, but the fansubs are usually of a much higher quality than the Dubs or the official subs.
I'm not sure if by what you mean by FF... If it's final fantasy then i've got to ask... what does this have to do with final fantasy in any way.
The previous ghost in the shell was an awesome success. Also the new final fantasy may be a success as well. The previous one suffered because of a weak storyline and a complete lack of memoreable characters. This one is actually related to one of the games.
Hmmm... Pie...
what the hell is up with web designers resizing my f-ing browser? if I want to resize the browser, I will do it myself.
Noble Disdain, Asahi Shinbun and Japan Today Confirm it:
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Anime is dying.
http://www.asahi.com/english/arts/TKY2004060201
http://news.japantoday.com/e/?content=kuchikomi
So they are bringing back the same characters? But how will this work with the merging of the AI with the naked assassin?
Not really, it's a different medium. English dubbed cell drawn Anime has proven to do well (Princess Monenoke) in the US.
"The line between human and machines has blurred beyond distinction...and humans have forgotten that they are human"
Ugh. Well, their translators haven't gotten any better.
I guess hoping for a subtitled version in theaters is too much?
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Wait. This thing is PG-13? What does that mean? No more nudity? Less violence? What was the first one rated?
Go here for teh [sic] funny.
That said, I saw Ghost in the Shell 1 and never was as bored in all my life. Sure the animation is good and the visuals are atmospheric, but the English dialogue was bordering on the hypnotic. Big overlong monologues that go on and on and on..... zzzzzz. And I got halfway through the film and still hadn't figured out what the hell they meant by a 'ghost.' I kept asking, 'okay, ghosts are an important part of all of this, I get it, now will you kindly tell us what the f@*# a ghost is please?' But no. Just more pseudo-intellectual waffle.
I strongly warn against anyone watching this stuff if you want to get into anime for the first time. This yawn-fest is not representative of anime. Watch Cowboy Bebop instead. It's a lot more fun, the animated cityscapes are stunning, and it doesn't take itself very seriously.
Drill baby drill - on Mars
Not to mention that it is a pretty fscking great anime. What I'm surprised about is that it took them this long to write a sequel.
WWJD? JWRTFA!
Goodbye warm grits, hello innocent GITS.
I remember being disappointed. I think it was overhyped or something because I found it slow moving and dull. As well the how spirtual message wasn't deep or insightful as my friends had make it out to me. Same with crouching tiger hidden dragon. I guess for some North Americans these Japanese movies are just not cutting it.
The anime market is very different from the western animation market. Mainly because in the West there isn't really a matured interest in animation films since they're geared towards the infant market.
In Japan this kind of film usually has great results in both cinema and DVD releases.
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Rhymes that keep their secrets will unfold behind the clouds.There upon the rainbow is the answer to a neverending story
Does anyone know if it will be featured at the Montreal FantAsia Festival?
If you are a fan of the Ghost in the Shell movie than you need to get your hands on the series. Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex is one of the most well produced anime series I've seen in a while. You don't need to be some total "Anime Freak ^_^" to watch these. Definatly some great stuff in here and better background on the GitS story.
Steal This Sig
How is that trollish?? My goodness.. If someone dislikes what you like doesn't automatically make them a troll. It's called an opinion.
Compared with Armitage (along with others) and it's subsiquent sequels the creators of Ghost in the Shell really outdid themselves with it's production. Rarely does an Anime movie mix great plot, action, and camera angles with good "art". The entire Si Fi genre in Anime has suffered from serials that continue far beyond their disturbingly bad pilots. I for one am looking forward to this new sequel, from what i've heard it's not going to be a direct interpretation of the original movie's lines and characters. And if anyone has seen the original movie you can attest to the fact that it steps beyond the common "anime" genre and out-performs most of it's field and regular "live-action" movies as well.
I disagree and therefore he is a TROLL posting FLAMEBAIT!
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
... but is it good enough to make up for the last Matrix movie? *shudders*
I've sworn off entertainment completely since I heard that blind Neo is teaming up with Chaka Khan to entertain the Merovingian in the next film, Matrix:Chicago (the musical). But I should've guessed this would happen, since the warning signs were all there.
Sigh... anime may be dead to me now, but they can never take away the classics of cinema.
I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."
Theres a series based on the show as well. GITS: Stand Alone Complex.
It's going through season two right now.
Hmmm... Pie...
GitS is suposed to be one of like the top Anime films, i picked up the dvd for that reason, not the first in my collection, but i got it pretty much just to have it. I liked it, but it was kinda boring in parts (not as boring as metropolis though, what a yawn fest), probably didn't help that i had the flu and a 103 fever when i watched it, but anywho.. I Agree, the CB movie is much better to introduce someone to anime, that or maybe Princess Mononoke. I'd recomend Akira as a second film.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Go away nerds.. Shooo... Shooo...
I guess I am what you would call: "A Lazy Fat-Bastard"
I have enjoyed a lot of the Anime that I have watched, but I still don't know enough of it to reccommend to anybody as a good beginner/intro movie/show.
My Favorites:
Ninja Scroll (#1 in my book)
Ranma 1/2
Robotech (not the sanitized US version)
I guess I am still an Anime vigrin (although Ninja Scroll was a brutal introduction), what movies/series would you suggest a person who wants to watch more Anime view?
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." ~Plato (427-347 BC)
In order to appreciate films like this and Final Fantasy, you definetly need a better understanding of spirtual beliefs. The ghost, is the spirit or soul of the machine, in the same way a ghost is the bodyless soul of a person.
Final Fantasy, lends itself to the Gaia Theory, and taking it further to suggest that planets are living enties with their own soul.
Japanese animation has plenty of philosphy in them (not all of them admitedly), and can be very deep, so it takes more to appreciate them than your average american cartoon, which in contrast are very shallow.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
I noticed that this was playing at the recent Seattle International Film Festival (href="http://www.seattlefilm.com/film/detail.aspx ?id=215) but wasn't able to catch it. Anybody check it out? Good/bad/nakedness?
in other words, good or neutered?
Or maybe I should just wait until the Japanese version is out on DVD, like Kill Bill.
There are several recent series which I, at least, liked a lot. "Monster," "Last Exile," "Gilgamesh." Even if you disagree that these are any good, they're certainly inventive and interesting.
There's also a certain tendency to think only of the good when considering the past. You remember "Citizen Kane," but not the dozens of awful movies that came out the same year. Same thing applies with anime.
As a final point, Cowboy Bebop sucked.
Ghost in the Shell
Yeah, we want more Trigun, Bebop, and most definately, we want more InuYasha!!
Just another sequal series which will disapoint (like Gundam SEED, Macross Zero etc).
It's annoyingthat years after the originals people want to cash in on the name rather then using their heads and making something intresting and original (Full metal alchemist forexample)
I like muppets.
I hate it when someone alters the window size of my browser.
If you don't like anime, just turn off the anime stories in your slashdot preferences.
Life is offtopic.
That site totally turned me off. I hate it when web sites mess with the size of my browser. I like it a certain size (which my home page will set when I open my browser just in case...) so when sites annoy me like that, 9 out of 10 times, the window gets closed. It reminds me of the days before pop-up blockers where pr0n sites would pop up full screen everywhere.
blah. I didn't even get past the flash intro.
Anyone want to let me in on this series?
-Mark
Dovie'andi se tovya sagain.
I've been waiting months for this, and now I get to wait a few more.
I've had the japanese version for a long time, but could never translate it for myself no matter how hard I tried =(.
Republished review of the original Ghost
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I'd be interested in my Trigun if it could go somewhere a little deeper, and if they condensed the story down from the 10 hour long epic it is now. Also, more seriousness and less of the annoying smiling Vash
a part one in theatres? I didn't know there even was a part one. :o(
Japanese game shows are the pinnacle of philosophy and culture, too.
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And I got halfway through the film and still hadn't figured out what the hell they meant by a 'ghost.'
Ghost in the Shell does not pander to MTV attention spans, and like the Patlabor movies, there's a complex plot. And a "ghost", while a vague concept, is quite obviously(if you pay attention) "what makes a person a person and not a machine". It's your personality, memories, etc. Part of it is that nobody seems to quite be able to put their finger on what a 'ghost' really is; hence the scene where Motoko wonders with Batou whether or not she's really human anymore. Are her memories manufactured, she wonders?
Watch Cowboy Bebop instead. It's a lot more fun, the animated cityscapes are stunning, and it doesn't take itself very seriously.
Cowboy Bebop is one of the all-time greats, but there are those of us who do enjoy serious anime.
There were a lot of complaints about Ghost In the Shell: Stand Alone Complex too- a lot of immature people complained there wasn't enough "action" and there was "too much talking". Well, guess what- that's -exactly- what GITS has always been about, right down to the manga, which sometimes has -paragraphs- of narration.
If you don't like philosophical anime, fine- go watch mindless shit like [shivers] Dragon Ball Z, [gets sick] Naruto, or [throws up] One Piece. But don't try to make every anime fit your tastes and complain when something doesn't.
The slashdot crowd might really enjoy PlanetES, about a young girl full of ideals who goes into space to work in a debris collection department- and finds space isn't quite as romantic, and astronauts not quite as valiant- as she thought.
Last Exile is about two kids serve as couriers, piloting a flying machine in the midst of a war and hoping to some day find their father(s) who were lost delivering a vital message.
Read or Die(watch the OVA first) is a fun series about three detective-sisters(named after martial arts starts, incidentally- Anita, Maggie, Michelle; there's also a Lee, a dove named Woo, etc :-) who are "paper-users" like the famous bibliomaniac Yoriko "The Paper" Readman, who worked for (heh) the British Library Special Forces. The OVA is particularly strange in a fun way. Kinda girly and -very- moving towards the end.
Oh, and lastly, Spirited Away is fantastic. Not nearly as preachy as Ghibli's earlier stuff(which is also excellent, but extremely heavy-handed in environmentalist ways. Princess Mononoke, Nausicca Valley of the Wind, etc).
Please help metamoderate.
so few interesting movies... and both this and Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow open the same weekend.
"Sometimes a woman is a kind of religion, she can save your soul & set you free from all your sins" - Bad Examples
Yes, a lot of anime has philosophy. VERY shallow philosophy. Final Fantasy (the movie) is a perfect example of an attempt to appear "deep" without actually saying anything surprising or revealing in any way whatsoever. Their theory on the spirit of planets is not fleshed out at all, it's just a half assed attempt to appear "spiritual" without having to put a lot of effort into writing a complex story or meaningful dialogue.
I was able to see this movie when it premiered at the Seattle International Film Festival (at the Cinerama no less with it's kick ass visual and sound systems). It focuses on Bateau 3 years after the first movie. I enjoyed 2 in much the same way as 1 but it definitely has the same over use of philosophy and metaphors. If you don't get hung up on that, it is the most visually stunning film I've ever seen. While some of the scenes seem like they just did them to look good and don't aid the story at all, there are other moments where the juxtaposition of classical animation on top of intricately detailed CG environments gives it a remarkable look and sense of immersion. If you liked the first one, you'll definitely enjoy this one, even if it is a bit lighter on the substance. If you couldn't get by 1's philosophizing diaglouge, 2 will drive you insane.
The Crowd
The theatre (Cinerama) was packed. The rush line (people who didn't buy tickets in advance) wound around the corner. I don't think many got in.
The Presentation
Subtitles. Hooray!
The Movie
One of the few films that's substantially better than the original. I re-watched the original a few days before seeing this to refresh myself of the story (not necessary).
I don't want to give away any spoilers, so I'll just say that it's some of the best feature-length anime I've seen in a long time.
The things that bothered me with the original (like the gratuitious nudity and slow pace) were left out.
Overall
It's great that this film is making it to theatres, in any case, it would be a big hit on DVD. The big screen was a big help.
For Ghost in the Shell fans I'd strongly recommend getting hold of Avalon, another film by Mamoru Oshii. Not Anime, Japanese film set in a future Poland, Polish with English subtitles, shot mostly in sepia, it is beautiful to watch. High art, opera and cool VR tech.
"I bless every day that I continue to live, for every day is pure profit."
Off topic? Topic: "ghost in the shell". Duh.
Make sure to check out the japanese trailer . It's way better and ironically almost entirely in english.
The Ghost in the Shell TV Series: Stand Alone Complex which was a wonderful watch for many reasons. You can find more information about it here Also, there is a sequal series to Stand Alone Complex out in fansub groups that is worth looking into. At the very least, worth keeping your eyes open for.
It's animated mass entertainment. Looking for anything beyond shallow philosophy is asking too much of the medium, IMHO.
I agree with you about Final Fantasy, though I think it's a poor example -- a lot of anime "philosophy" goes little further than skin-deep, but Final Fantasy didn't even try. Though I would hardly call GITS a philosophical exercise, it does bring up some interesting points about what it means to be human, which is more than I can say for most animated entertainment.
Someone doesn't have an "MTV attention span" just because they didn't like some cartoon that a bunch of American fanboys spew their load all over whenever it's mentioned.
You're using the same argument used to defend the absolutely shitty Matrix sequels--"It's supposed to be overly philosophical and have these boring things happen because they intended it that way!" Just because it was intended doesn't make it not suck in the end.
If you're really so knowledgable about "serious anime," you'd know that Ghost In The Shell isn't really like most anime at all, and is only as popular as it is in the States, as opposed to in Japan where it's relatively obscure.
To sum up--pull your head out of your ass. Yes, there are people who find Ghost In The Shell fucking boring. That doesn't make them MTV sheep or less appreciative of intelligent movies. It just means they don't like these cartoons you like so much.
Too bad the DVD was flawed with ghosting (no pun intended) and other problems with the transfer. None the less, it is a great movie that I recommend to anyone who watches anime. Music was great, Ryuichi Sakamoto composed it all.
Just so you know, the anime version is a VERY VERY pared down version of the manga which is much much much more superior version of the whole story.
Unchecking all those options in Firefox is the first thing I do when I download a new version. I don't want status bars to disappear, or have their text changed, or windows resized, or anything else. My windowing system controls my windows, thank you, not some website.
It must be hell not to have any free will or control over your own own fine motor skills, that you are compelled by some unholy force to read this story beginning to end, despite the fact that it doesn't interest you. You have my sympathies, and I hope that you overcome this terrible affliction soon.
It's an episodic series, so there's far more scope for tangled plots, characters development
If it were episodic, everything would go back to way way it was at the beginning of the episode, like most sitcoms. As it is, it has a running storyline throughout.
I haven't seen the movie yet, only trailers and they look good. In GITS 1, Stand Alone Complex and manga i liked the sociological, political and philosophical depth, so i guess i will like Innocence as well.
Who is John Galt?
Vampire Hunter D... yuck.
Game... blouses.
Speaking of other notable Anime, you guys all have heard of Appleseed right? By God, if you haven't git yer butt over to the trailer and check it out. Can anyone who reads Japanses tell me where they are sitting with this movie? This seems like it might be the be all, end all of anime movies.
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...but it never mentioned if it was bash, tcsh, or ksh.
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That is all I want to know.. ....
That site practically hosed my browser (about 20 tabs open)
I mean.. isn't she a frail little girl now?
anime+manga together at last.. in real time.
Ummm... I hate to break it to you. But GITS:2 is not 2D animated. By the end of 2D animation, Eisner means the process of hand-drawing every single frame. Pen-ing, Ink-ing then transfering to film.
I can safely say that 80% of the scenes in the trailer are definitely computer animated. The other 20% probably are also, but I couldn't say for sure.
Eisner is right, the old way of doing 2D animation is dead. It is too pain-staking, and frankly we can get a computer to do a better job at a lot of the things a human used to have to do.
If you mean that the 2D animation style is dead. Then you are wrong. And don't quote Eisner either since that isn't what he is talking about. He is talking about process. How much do we use computers in the process of making animation. Traditional 2D animation didn't use them at all. Today the answer is, we use them a lot, and they will be used more in the future. Hell, even South Park which is probably one of the most crudely animated series (it used to be done with construction paper) uses Maya.
A lot of work has gone into making computer animation look like traditional cell animation. Studios can do a pretty good job now. I guess fooling people into thinking it was done the old way means that studios been fantasitically successful. I however find it ironic that you lament the passing of the old way of doing things, by pointing to something that was clearly made by new means.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -Homer Simpson
Not really a interest? What about:
The Simpson's
King of the Hill
The Critic (gone, but a success for a year or two)
Ren and Stimpy
The above are what I would consider adult cartoons. While not mature in any respect, many adults (including myself) do love them.
I think Americans like to laugh when they see cartoon because we have always laughed. Kids and Adults both enjoy these and cartoons such as Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck and others. When we see comics or cartoons discussing serious situations the end up being BORING. So if there's not enough action (rock em sock em style of robotic fury), we get turned off. Also, in Japan, people aren't as sensitive to seeing an animated boob on screen.
Gorkman
So you arnt going to have to look that hard.
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Ok, when I saw the first GITS movie, I was impressed since it was one of my first experiences with anime. However, unless you're patient enough to look for deeper meanings among the drawn-out dialogues, it's not going to be all that entertaining.
Since then, I know that the stand-alone complex has come out, and has recieved some good reviews, but there's also a comic book series: Ghost in the Shell 2. The comics, like the first movie, require close attention to what's said and a good ability to keep track of who's who among the characters to really understand what's going on. I know that this is true of most literature and forms of entertainment, but it seems to be even more necessary for this series. Between body switching and other stuff that's going on, unless you keep close track of everything it becomes downright confusing.
My question is whether or not this new movie has anything to do with the original movie, the series, or the comic book series. Did Masamune Shirow (I think that's who did it) write this one as well?
... and no, I haven't rtfa, people have been complaining so consistently about the site that I doubt it's worth my time.
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I agree that there's lots of anime out there that is garbage, but Naruto is a bit different. Yes, it's full of action and fighting, but more than most animes of its kind, it has deeply developed characters that are more than just one dimensional, one track minded machines. They are dynamic. I'll grant you that the pacing is pretty bad, but there's more here than you think there is if you lump it in with Dragonball Z....
According to the study it's Stanford's Graduate School of Business and University of Chicago, two places I would assume to be quite right-leaning (UoC's economics department is one of the most right-leaning in the country).
But, I'm sorry, a report on the media by two people who do not have any special training vis a vis the media... what was your point again?
God Bless America. Why? Did it sneeze?
Wow.
Flash.
Browser Maximizing (which is especially stupid on my dual monitor box)
Saturnic rollover navigation.
Crappy Audio loops.
I'm surprised there's no butterflies following my mouse cursor...
vk.
Will it come to Europe? I can't even buy the series here in Sweden. I have to use bittorrent do be able to watch the series which I think sucks because I really want the series on DVD.
I really have another userid as well
Didn't you read his sig? Ph34r the p0w3r.
"Yeah, Ms. Tweed, we uh, need you to get naked for the, er, plot, and to, uh, empower the feelings of modesty in our audience."
Give me strength: I don't disagree with you that artistic considerations can make nudity an essential element in a film, but every tit-flash isn't evidence of well-developed, mature cinematic sensibilities. If that were the case Showgirls would be considered Citzen Kane, and Girls Gone Wild would be a powerful work of documentary filmmaking.
So, let's take a quick look at how nudity is used in Ghost In The Shell. A quick trip over to Google's image search yields the following examples of important cinematography. Certainly no untoward objectification of women there. Just art for art's sake, for us grown-up types to enjoy over some sherry. The big tits are important to the artistic vision!
Can the fake sanctimoniousness. Nobody's saying that cartoons can't be a source of mature entertainent, and effective social commentary. Just a few examples. Heck, sometimes it gets a little racy.I always thought Patlabor had a similar feel to GitS, now I know why; Oshii directed both.
Both movies do have a slow pace. But they also have some interesting commentary on the meaning of the human soul when machines become so sophisticated that they can substitute for flesh. Patlabor also explores the juxtaposition of advanced technology on traditional Japan. If you can get past the mangled English dialog then you can see the value of these themes.
IF it's still in the theaters when I'm there I gotta see it.
I always find it amusing that liberals accuse FoxNews of being biased, yet never, ever cite an example in those claims.
Then, a study comes out showing it's centrist, and suddenly that's biased too. I doubt there will be examples cited in those claims, either.
Apparently, anything that disagrees with your stubborn opinion is just plain biased. Right?
This is completely off-topic. It's just a sig.
Really...
Here's a start, enjoy!
http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/foxbias.htm
If you need more, just ask.
God Bless America. Why? Did it sneeze?
I'm thrilled that Ghost in the shell 2 is "now on screen".
- Mad, ingenous - they've both left you puzzled -
Is this an elitist comment about all of anime or just the original GITS (which was dumbed down in the dubbed version). Subbed is the only pure way infidels!
Here is the bad news. the subtitles are not nessisarily (sp?) any more accurate than the dub and in some cases are worse (don't believe me? there is a lovely HKS witchhunter robbin out there you can pick up and experience. or just watch some of your favorite anime with someone who is equally fluent in japanese and english and watch them rant about the subs).
I read my books and watch my movies. How fun is it to have someone stop the DVD and rewind every 5 sec because they can't follow all the subtitles in Excell saga or His and Hers Circ. The other option is to not let them rewind and leave them hating anime. It is always best to keep the otaku club small that way it is not for the commoners.
I'm betting this will be sub only. IIRC Steven Spielbergs company has rights to this one. It will come our released by his company and tristar. looking at the Tristar releases of Millenium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers, and Memories releases there will be no english track.
Sadly Tristar is doing thier best to keep anime in the otaku ghetto. Without a good dub track alot of americans will not care and will not see it. Good dub tracks exist. the Myizaki films, Cowboy Bebop etc. As long as anime stays in the ghetto we get less of it, I'd think that any fan would want to see more anime come over to the US.
I always find it amusing that liberals accuse FoxNews of being biased, yet never, ever cite an example in those claims.
I live in norway, most cable networks don't carry FoxNews here. However, during the first few months after 9/11, one channel sent FoxNews after regular programming, instead of some sms games.
I watched it almost every day for a week, just got get the news with me from yet another source.
My impression was that FoxNews made CNN look like a bunch of extreme lefties. Also they took every chance they got to laugh at and make snyde remarks about librals (congress men/women etc).
Just my observation after a couple of months of FoxNews.
wait, A Wind Called Amnesia was avoid, and Bubblegum Crisis was a watch?! Pssssh! AWCA was a great one!
"Fist of the north star"- AVOID!
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
I've done some googling but can't find any information on whether it's coming to UK cinemas or not. I'd love it to as I'm fed up of watching animes on my computer. To see one in a cinema would be nice. Although if I see one flash of capcode then some movie execs are getting maimed (seriously, Kill Bill capcode nearly pushed me over the edge).
I don't know much about FF, but based on the title, I thought that this was about Linux.
testing out my trending skills
The uncanny valley thing really worked against the film as they had popular actors doing the voice. So not only did the characters seem not quite real (although if you dont pay close attention they do look amazingly human, especially on a small tv) their faces looked nothing like the actors whos voices we asociated with them. Like you said, the characters were to flat to get over the voice thing, your sitting there continually reminding yourself that its not Ming-Na, Alec Baldwin and Steve Buscemi. A good animated anything (show, movie, short etc) should make you forget the actor asociated with the familiar voice, but for whatever reason Final Fantasy coudn't acomplish that for me.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Dear God, people, at least make a modest effort to mod with some sensibility.
Is a good place to start. Cowboy Bebop and Trigun are great series, and FLCL is simply amazing. Never really got into Inu Yasha, but Big O and Witch Hunter Robin are both enjoyable. As for movies, Start with the Cowboy Bebop movie, then Akira, Princess Mononoke and maybe Grave of the Fireflys. Also, all of Miyazakis movies (Spirited Away, Kikis Delivery Service, Castle in the Sky) are good if you dont mind things a little lighter. Thats a good start, and if your not into subs, most of the dubbbing, esp the stuff on cartoon network is done really well.
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
I'm sure I'll get unbiased commentary from "o-reilly-sucks.com." How dare I trust UCLA/Stanford.
I've been to this website before. The thing that immediately struck me was that when I went to the guestbook, the admin was posting endless Democratic party articles. I remember one of them because it's headline was (I kid you not) "Democrats Want To Help Mankind," and it was about how great Democrat polices are and how the evil Republicans are all about keeping them down.
Basically your only evidence is to link to a decidedly biased Democratic party website. Wow. I'm convinced. I love that a lot of those links go to the same liberal websites repeatedly like fair.org and some known left-leaning newspapers. Ha, even towards the end, it just starts linking to oreilly-sucks.com again! Classic. I love how CNN is magically supposed to have "20% more viewers." I guess Nielsen ratings are wrong. I even saw one link that went to some guy's personal Angelfire page! Wow. This is really convincing me.
Again, I have yet to hear you cite a single example of what EXACTLY makes FoxNews biased. No falsely reported story, no viewpoint held above another. Hell, according to this, FoxNews.com is biased toward liberals! I guess you just don't like that they--gasp--run an American flag graphic in their logo. Seeing as how they're an American news channel and all.
I definitely need more than this, but I won't hold my breath--it's clear where your partyline lies. Political parties are like organized religions, each with their messengers, proof, holy books, and evil enemies. Apparently, because FoxNews dares to air conservative viewpoints along with its liberal viewpoints, it's on the Democratic hitlist. Too bad--this isn't CNN where the only time someone's political views are named is if they're "conservative."
Go do your own work.
Start with Al Frankens "Lies and the lying liars.....". Plenty of Hannity and Colms, et al in there.
Dude, I can't believe you'd give a list that just links to FAIR a bunch of times...FAIR is a well-known left-leaning media watchdog group. They're more biased than anything I've seen on FoxNews which seems to report most of both sides.
That's like linking to the ACLU as an unbiased legal thinktank.
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/really/ hard on this film. IIRC, the sheet said it was 5 years in the making. Definitely a lot of effort went into the background designs, and great attention to 'mood' of the locations, ranging from NY gothic to dense , decrepit alleys. There is a scene in a market that really captures what felt to me was a New York City neighborhood food market.
/everything/ was presented in the dialog, rather than played out in interaction. *Very* stoic. I suppose that might be a quality of old police dramas, but it seemed like so many opportunities for character interaction and development were missed, replaced by a line of dialog. Except for the main character, all characters were hardly developed; we never really got to see inside the characters. Almost all dialog was purely to serve the plot, and had little to say about the characters.
/lack/ of character interaction. It was more like a series of police interviews. I think that's fine, but one does need to explore the characters more I think, especially in a feature film. "China Town" does a great job of serving a cold order of police drama, while also exploring the characters.
/lot/ of reading. I found myself so busy trying to alternate between soaking in the great visuals, and keeping up with the titles, that at a few points, my eyes gave up, and had to look away from the screen. Surely the american release will be dubbed, and that may help this problem. I just hope in the dubbing, they add some character to the dialog. There were little bits of dialog in the first film that really helped add to the characters a lot, that were most likely not in the original Japanese dialog.
/end/, where she goes in after the tank. Both action and drama were great in that whole sequence. I can't say that about this film; I didn't get into the whole last 1/3 of the film, it seemed to just resolve, in an arbitrary way, without much interesting coming of the result. I felt: 'OK, problems were presented, and were
I'm going to avoid giving away any plot, and stick to just my reactions. But if you're real sensitive, I'm going to add this spoiler warning anyway.
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Really amazing visuals and CG backgrounds with full on radiosity (natural lighting models). The pacing is slow, but in some cases that's a nice aspect of it, as it lets one soak in the environment, and project into it. Films like Alien (#1) would have long holds with no dialog, so that you could really become an observer, as if you were there. Like those moments when you're a passenger in a car with someone, and there's nothing to say, so you absorb the moment. There's a lot of those moments in this film. Liked the scene where the main character spends some quality time at home.
Opening titles were great; something I remember about the first film too. Amazing openings in both; music, visuals. This one may even top the other, certainly in complexity.
The folks worked
But man, the dialog was really excessive.. very heavy on quotes and exposition. My friend had a similar reaction, saying it seemed the director chose to use dialog in place of dramatization;
Maybe this lack of dramatic portrayal is appealing to some who like their police films cold as sushi (shrugs), like Dragnet.. "just the facts Mam". It certainly seemed very intentional the film was portrayed with a
The version I saw of GITS2 was with subtitles. Because it was heavy on exposition, this meant a
As in the first film, there are many scenes of just dialog and moving mouths. In some scenes, this works well. In many, though, it made my eyes roll. It's like someone at a party who loves to quote from Shakespere every few minutes, or pepper conversation with analogies. It's as if the characters have nothing to say by themselves, they just reuse other people's quotes. It gets old, after a while.
The great scenes I found myself going back to in the first film was the action at the
You've got to be kidding me--you're directing me to Al Franken as an unbiased source of FoxNews criticism? The guy still thinks Bill O'Reilly didn't grow up in Levittown, to the point that O'Reilly went so far as displaying the actual scanned legal deed on his show. Franken's only response is that his book is "satire." Kind of the Michael Moore way of shaking the facts, pretending they're truth, then calling them satire when called on it.
Al Franken is a host on the liberal radio network Air America. You know, that network that's doing so poorly that Al Franken is currently working for no salary...
I'm always given some biased link and then told to "start there." I guess the burden of proof is being shoved off onto me. Which means I won the debate.
P.S. Before I get accused of being "right-wing," I hate the very idea of two major political parties and voted for Nader in 2000 (like Michael Moore did, *shudder*). But I've never seen so much personal vitriol and outright truth distortion as I have from the left-wingers in this election year. It's like they take it personally and are desperate to win the election, and the ends justify the means. If you put liberal policy to a popular vote, it would lose--that's why they have to go through judges, lawyers, and lawsuits to force people into begrudgingly following their views. That's crap. Look how many times an hour Comedy Central runs Michael Moore's film ads as compared to any other channel.
Where's the outcry over CBSNews.com having a stake in Clinton's book sales via Amazon? Real unbiased news channel, there. If FoxNews did that for a pro-Bush book, liberal media would be all over it for bias.
Sounds like you're confusing their hard news with their evening news commentary shows (i.e., O'Reilly). Those are like op-ed pieces in the newspaper.
"dumb humans"
The producer in Japan said that the title of the film should not have "2" in its name. The American title should have been Refer "Innocence - Ghost In the Shell". His intention was to target this movie to Japanese people who hadn't seen the original.
I think sequels are generally poorer than the initial movie and are a marketing convenience, but how many people won't see "2" because they missed "1"? Now that anime is widely popular (at least, compared to back in 1994), they should have stuck with the Japanese name.
"Innocence" also conveys the director's vision than "2" does. Mamoru Oshii is making a movie about life. What is human life and existance, as opposed to those that are machines? "Innocence": The theme of the movie.
Mamoru Oshii's vision is to make a movie that discusses--often overtly, which bothers some--the nature of human existence and how technology is changing the definition of humanity.
I saw this movie last witer in Japan. .
I love the first ghost and one aspect of this series
that i think seperates it from alot of other anime sci fi stuff
is that the music is just so beautifull. There are scenes in both movies that are long and drawn out where there is no dialogue or action and it relies mostly on the musical space. The new movie holds true to this
The animation style is a litle differnt as well it combines two different forms of with some that looks alot like tradition al japanese style as well as some more cgi stlyle stuff in the same frame.
I did not understand the movie however and from what iv read that was the directors intention this time. This movie eats itself
and its kind of like you can just sit back and watch without trying to figuire it all out.
Went to see this at the Seattle film festival. I didn't like it. It was all very pretty and everything, but the story just plain sucks. This is nothing like the first movie, except that they attempt to try and kinda pick up where the first movie left off, but they do a very poor job. None of the characters are interesting, not even "The Major" when she returns.
If you go to see this movie, be forewarned, it's just awful.
I'm pretty sure Al Franken isn't a middle of the road resource.
I don't think people should cite comedians as sources anyway.
There is always FrankenLies.com to dispute that. And a lot of other stuff in the book in inaccurate as well, but it is told to be a joke. That's what bugs me about him and Michael Moore being taken seriously. When the flaws in their work are disproved, they go to the "It's just satire" copout. Well, when your agenda is to change people's views on on things, you should probably take more responsibility for what you say. Especailly if you label your movies "documentaries" and not comedies.
Fox News is undoubtedly conservitive. I've heard Cavuto on Limbaugh's radio show (we can agree he's conservative, correct?) talking up the economy. Either Brit Hume or Tony Snow as actually filled in as a guest host on Rush's show (It's been a while, can't remember who). O'Reilly is a huge conservative, though that's not really a news program. Same story with Cal Thomas and Oliver North, not news shows, but unapologeticly conservative. Then again, they also emply Dick Morris and Geraldo Rivera, two people way on the other side of the isle. Rupert Murdoch is conservative, But then again Ted Turner, as well as the head of Viacom, and the head of Disney are liberals. Seen the John Kerry infomercial on MTV? Did you see 60 Minutes' hour long infomercial for Bill Clinton's book? I was waiting for the 1-800 number at the bottom of the screen so I could order within the next five minutes to get a free bathrobe and Juicer with the purchase of the hardcover.
Everyone sites FOX being biased, but your a right-wing nutjob to think the other stations are not. Anywho, to end my rant, it's nice one station will show some of the good news from Iraq, instead of just a daily bodycount. So I guess reporting BOTH sides of the issue rather than just the bad stuff makes you biased?!?!?!
Peace out!
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...and there all comedies. The poster's point is that things like drama and thrillers in animation are something that is unknown to the general masses.
Succinctly, americans as a whole don't take animation seriously. Certainly not like the Japanese, Chinese or the French.
If you re-read what I emphasized, you will probably notice that I was pointing out a logical fallacy in the parent's post. They are indeed engaging in a MPAA style practice, which you yourself have pointed out is 'a damned inconvenience' and 'pretty pointless'.
Practically every music or movie submission on Slashdot contains the same glaring absence of contempt for the MPAA/RIAA as this one. Yet every YRO post regarding the MPAA/RIAA is a 900 post +5 flamefest. According to you yourself, Dreamworks is "huge and a member of the MPAA". According to the 'here' link with the story submission, the movie is trademark and copyright 2004 Dreamworks, LLC for each and every Slashbot to see. Where are the posters who flame the MPAA for fun and mod points now? Either practice what you preach or wallow in ignominy.
LOL
I had the chance to see this film at the North American premier at the Seattle International Film Festival a couple of weeks ago. I won't reveal any spoilers, but I thought it was a great film. It's visually amazing! Some of the visuals in the film just made me want to wet my pants practically. The animators went through great lengths to make this film visually great.
Instead of confusing philosophy (like the Matrix sequels or the first Ghost in the Shell) they used Japanese poems to convey ideas in the storyline. The story feels pretty simplistic or at least enough to the point that you're not having to watch the movie three times to just understand everything that they're talking about.
Also unfortunately unlike the first Ghost in the Shell the storyline follows primarily Batou and also Togusa (who has become Batou's partner, but everyone has doubts about how the two operate together) instead of the Major in the first one (I guess it isn't really unfortunate since Batou seriously kicks some ass, but I really liked the first one how it followed the Major and the presence she gave in the first Ghost in the Shell).
Anyway, I can't wait to see this again! Great movie. I still don't feel it's as good as the first one, but definitely a good sequel to it.
those who can't handle subs aren't movie buffs.Hell, I don't think they'll understand Fahrenheit 911 either.
My eyes do not track together perfectly so I can't read really quickly (maybe 100WPM?). My GF is dyslexic. I guess we can't be movie buffs.
I am glad that you were able to imply that we are mentaly defecient because of our drawbacks.
What's with that dog?
Avalon screencap
GITS1 screencap
It seems to appear in almost all of Oshii's films,
either as a poster, picture or in 'person'.
Ideas? What's that race called btw?
I think a lot of people don't like the last Evangelion movie (the true ending) because it makes you feel absolutetly sick from the visceral feel. Personally I love it for catharsis-sake. I'm not the most emotionally stable person out there, and let me tell you, watching Shinji through the series, and finally through the ending, I feel so much better because of the way it handles it...I feel horrible, and then the show is over and my horrible feelings are gone. It's tiring though. Stand Alone Complex is much better than the movie personally, it raises a lot of questions that the movie didn't. It gives it much more depth.
Dominion Tank Police
New Dominion Tank Police
Appleseed
Baoh
The first three are from Masamune Shirow who's the party responsible for Ghost in the Shell... Baoh's short, but cool in and of itself- it's in the same violence and gore class with Ninja Scroll. If you liked NS, you'll probably like Baoh.
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I don't know if you've noticed yet, but Eisner has a habit of talking out of his ass.
More like a general "feel" for the whole FoxNews experience. Anyway, no, not really, when covering "regular" news they would do their bashing too...
Even if its an ENglish dubbed movie. THere's just too much eye candy going on, and I'm such a sucker for eye candy. Heck I'm still running Enlightenment on RH7 and have been turning down all these distros requests for me to upgrade...
At least it's great mindless shit! Agreed, it diminishes over time. But it has some of the most freaking hilarious and cool characters. Although they are mostly not the main characters. E.g. Fat Boo is my favourite villain of all time!
Just because I can imagine doing a hippopotamus, doesn't mean I'd like to do it.
It's a pity that the standard reaction to a flash site is usually "Damn huge flash! I don't need this crap, just content. I refuse to open a flash site" , when some of them are really nice.
.. better. IMHO ofcourse.
I agree that having a 'skip intro'-button inside a flash animation in stupid. A good Flash site should always warn before loading the swf. And with an intro it should have the option to skip the intro by clicking on an html link.
The most horrible site i've seen so far is loading a 5MB (!!!) intro (!!?!) with no option to skip before loading, and an even bigger main site. Horrible. This is what anti-flash people grab as argument when you discuss flash vs plain html.
But not all sites are like this. Some sites actually look alot better in Flash. And aside from content: if something looks better, it might also read better, which makes the whole site
Saw Innocence about a month ago in Japan - in an IMAX theatre even.
It's breathtakingly beautiful, yet sad. At times, I wasn't quite sure whether the puddle on my lap was drool or tears.
Highly recommended.
Yeah. Thanks for the specific examples.
For the record, I don't think that Flash in itself is bad -- it has its uses. I do, however, think that it is an extremely poor choice for an HTML replacement, which is the primary role in which it's used. Yes, the Flash-based website may look a little "better" (although I usually don't equate "flashiness" with being better), but unless it's also cross-browser compatible, respects user browser settings, includes accessibility features, has a user interface consistent with my browser and other web sites, it's worse than a standard HTML-based website.
However, I've never been interested in anything that legitimately uses Flash, and so I see no reason to install and use it.
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
Anime is a very wide and varied media.
It's just that Americans love fan service anime and make fan service anime a huge hit in US. Those hits are widely merchandized there and are perceived by the mainstream population as the whole anime media.
16,777,216 comments ought to be enough for any forum!
I couldn't find this info on the site, but does anyone know if this is a general release, or will it be restricted to art house theaters? I'm assuming the art houses, as most US movie goers aren't comfortable with animation involving mature contexts.
Thanks for the specific examples
Like i remember that after all that time. As i said, they only aired it for a few months after 9/11, and i watched an hour a day or so for a few weeks combined. I'm just saying that's the image that stuck with me.
Appleseed wasn't that great, at least the original version that I saw a few years back... Let's hope that this one will be good.