Perhaps because what seems simple to you is horribly inefficient or impractical for someone else? People have different needs, that's why open source software is typically very configurable. Thankfully there are other environments people can use instead, though.
That is unless someone cal tell me how a move to an [open source alternative] would be better. Even these OSS alternatives have to be supported. The last time I checked, their support was anemic! Just ask the University of California.
Are you retarded, or just trolling/FUDing?
The article you linked to doesn't mention any OSS alternatives, nor any support costs/availability of anything. (Also, Mashable is the best you could come up with for a source?)
What the article you linked to (titled, "Major University Dumps Gmail Over Security Concerns") actually discusses is that the University of California in Davis just stopped their pilot roll-out of Gmail due to concerns that it wasn't secure enough. In actuality, its not clear if Davis would even be allowed to use Gmail at all, as the article notes, "[school officials said] outsourcing e-mail may not be in compliance with the University of California Electronic Communications Policy."
Later in the article it mentions that other organizations (such as the City of Los Angeles) are adopting Gmail. The whole thing is hardly damning of Gmail, and doesn't even mention OSS.
Mods: Don't just assume that someone's citation backs up what they're saying. Parent is off-topic and not particularly insightful.
For me, I can say that when my previous employer switched over to Gmail for our email it was a huge boost to uptime, and a dramatic drop in cost compared to the (unfortunately) poorly supported in-house Linux-based OSS email server and the Exchange server we were quoted.
(And FFS, mods, the parent is not insightful, interesting, or even remotely relevant. It's simply bitching by a lazy person who can't be arsed to do a simple web search.)
Actually, you you might be the uninformed arse here. Last time I tried (and *I* actually tried, not just googled it and then ran my mouth on/.) to install Etherpad it was not a straightforward install, the source was full of hard-coded crap, it lacked many of the features the website had, the docs were bad, and when it finally got up and running it was flakey.
Yes some people have had success, but Google put almost no effort or man power into it, and it was in many ways a better tool than wave.
Not directly affiliated with her (my girlfriend did work for her last year around this time, though), but the gal at Leaf Cutter Designs makes some pretty neat/cute/cool gifts. It's not too late to write your S.O. (note, that acronym is not for the also excellent Stack Overflow) a short message delivered by the world's smallest post office. She does other neat stuff, too. If you're SO is of the creative/craftsy persuasion she'll probably appreciate something there.
My best 'stunt' was a singing telegram to my girlfriend's (same one) dorm a few years back. Definitely a hit. This year is dinner at a surprise location which we always walk by and she says "aww, we should eat there sometime, its cute". You don't have to go too crazy, just let her (or him, ladies!) know she's special and that you've been paying attention.
This is why I keep my password file encrypted. Any I don't use that standard '.txt' extension either. Mine is 'passwords.rot13'... no one would ever guess that!
Ahhh, my apologies. Yeah, I know about the Loongson. What I was wondering is where you can buy these Atom-comparable Loongson laptops. Glancing at the bottom of the Wiki page you linked to, only two companies have claimed to sell these (outside of China). One turned out to be a scam, and the other is the one I'd heard of which doesn't appear to actually be selling anything yet (and when it does is estimated at almost 400 Euros). So where are you seeing them?
Not because I don't believe you or think you're wrong, but because I haven't seen anything of the sort reported and I'm actually curious. I've only read about MIPS laptop and it wasn't much differently priced from its x86 brethren.
Before you go throwing stones you might want to realize that not everyone works in the same environment as you[, jackass]. Or with the same budget. Or time.
He didn't say he lined up 100 machines and sat down in front of each of them and did the install one-by-one, forever ignorant of the multitude of ways one can streamline the process. He said he did "a lot". And frankly, as someone (who is also a IT Professional) does Windows installs on occasion, I'd be annoyed too if the install process changed every time. And yes, thank you, I know about and use such mind-boggling concepts as "disk imaging" and RIS.
Might I suggest you google "greater dickwad theory" and think about it for a minute before condescending next time?
...if people like it, and if the entrenched players do not provide it, they will lose users pretty fast.
How? If it isn't not pre-installed and easy to use from the default setup on people's computers and phones, it won't go anywhere.
Facebook/myspace/twitter/etc are not pre-installed, and they seem to be doing ok for themselves.
I hate this move-the-client-into-the-browser as much as the next person, but part of the reason that Wave could work (for normal everyday user-types) is that it works in webbrowsers. Safari, Firefox, and Chrome... who knows maybe even IE8 will eventually work. It'll even work in phones - the demo showed an iPhone and an Android phone.
Who's going to switch to it if their friends are still using AIM or MSN and they won't be able to talk to them anymore?
As another post pointed out, writing "robots" appears to be pretty easy, and I don't imagine it'll take long at all for a robot gateway to be written to these other services (it may already exist).
It's not that hard, people have been doing it forever. Ever heard of file folders?
100 tabs over 12 pages is only 8 or so tabs. I routinely have the same setup here and the way I manage it is by separating my tabs amongst different windows. Email, calendar, slashdot, facebook, twitter in one. News in another. If I'm working on a project on MySQL, I'll have a half dozen or so pages about that in another. Python pages in another. Ubuntu audio problems open in another. Qt documentation in another.
So all I need to keep track of is which window is for which task (aided by multiple desktops courtesy X). Now I've only got to look across 8 tabs or so for the right page.
Really helpful sites are bookmarked, but bookmarks are unwieldy (more work to sort) and just because I need a page over a couple days, doesn't mean I'll need it ever again. Also my job often requires me to be working on multiple different projects (see above) at the same time, so why bother closing all my python tabs if I'm going to be working on python again in a couple hours?
Also, FWIW, I've never seen any of these memory leak problems people talk about (Linux - Slackware and Ubuntu) in any version of Firefox. Guess I'm just lucky?
My biggest beef with Firefox is that there isn't a Mozilla-provided msi installer (and Group Policy admin tool). That's why its not more widely used at my work. No Frontmotion doesn't cut it.
I'm not sure I buy into "usage tracking is an invasion of privacy" mantra. It seems to me this is a modern day "taking your photograph will steal your soul" sort of superstition. Is the internet not a public place? I'm not sure what kind of privacy people expect while using it.
Yes, the Internet is a public place. But to follow your analogy, this doesn't mean I want to followed around all day being photographed going to the grocery store, the doctor's office, the bank, etc.
The "Google" part that comes before "Chrome" is why I'll never use it. Usage tracking just makes too much sense for their business for them *not* to include it in a browser.
You mean the 90% that buys a new computer once every six years? I doubt my mom's P3 with 128 MB RAM will be running Word across the Internet. Considering how far Linux has come in the past two-three years alone, I see no reason why she'll buy a new computer with Windows n and Microsoft Office y Online (TM) and start paying a monthly bill to MS for the privilege of typing up a document for the school marching band board meeting. For that matter, she already uses OpenOffice.
Home users will not be leading the Web 3.0 revolution.
Sorry friend, but I highly doubt that anyone on/. is going to say to themselves "Wow, I really need to get over to Santa Rosa Junior College and take some IT classes, it sounds like they have a great program."
I know they say that any publicity is good publicity, but frankly you'd be a moron to associate yourself with some lawyer happy JC if you didn't have to. If you lived in the area and heard about this story (having never heard of the place before!) would you really be inclined to start taking classes there *now*?
3c3 < No, it needs to be correct code. If ARM happens to be the only platform that currenty exercises the bug it is still a bug. Goddamn people, I swear we are getting as blase about fixing bugs as a Microsoft shop. There is no such thing as a good bug, a less important bug, etc. If it is a bug and someone has a patch for it you APPLY THE DAMNED PATCH. If you have a problem with the patch you write a better patch. Not patching at all is never be the answer. --- > No, it needs to be correct code. If ARM happens to be the only platform that currenty exercises the bug it is still a bug. Goddamn people, I swear we are getting as blase about fixing bugs as a Microsoft shop. There is no such thing as a good bug, a less important bug, etc. If it is a bug and someone has a patch for it you APPLY THE DAMNED PATCH. If you have a problem with the patch you write a better patch. Not patching at all is never the answer.
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Perhaps because what seems simple to you is horribly inefficient or impractical for someone else? People have different needs, that's why open source software is typically very configurable. Thankfully there are other environments people can use instead, though.
Are you retarded, or just trolling/FUDing?
The article you linked to doesn't mention any OSS alternatives, nor any support costs/availability of anything. (Also, Mashable is the best you could come up with for a source?)
What the article you linked to (titled, "Major University Dumps Gmail Over Security Concerns") actually discusses is that the University of California in Davis just stopped their pilot roll-out of Gmail due to concerns that it wasn't secure enough. In actuality, its not clear if Davis would even be allowed to use Gmail at all, as the article notes, "[school officials said] outsourcing e-mail may not be in compliance with the University of California Electronic Communications Policy."
Later in the article it mentions that other organizations (such as the City of Los Angeles) are adopting Gmail. The whole thing is hardly damning of Gmail, and doesn't even mention OSS.
Mods: Don't just assume that someone's citation backs up what they're saying. Parent is off-topic and not particularly insightful.
For me, I can say that when my previous employer switched over to Gmail for our email it was a huge boost to uptime, and a dramatic drop in cost compared to the (unfortunately) poorly supported in-house Linux-based OSS email server and the Exchange server we were quoted.
Bill
Actually, you you might be the uninformed arse here. Last time I tried (and *I* actually tried, not just googled it and then ran my mouth on /.) to install Etherpad it was not a straightforward install, the source was full of hard-coded crap, it lacked many of the features the website had, the docs were bad, and when it finally got up and running it was flakey.
Yes some people have had success, but Google put almost no effort or man power into it, and it was in many ways a better tool than wave.
Umm...
Quiet Quail?
Or is there some reference I'm not catching...
Not directly affiliated with her (my girlfriend did work for her last year around this time, though), but the gal at Leaf Cutter Designs makes some pretty neat/cute/cool gifts. It's not too late to write your S.O. (note, that acronym is not for the also excellent Stack Overflow) a short message delivered by the world's smallest post office. She does other neat stuff, too. If you're SO is of the creative/craftsy persuasion she'll probably appreciate something there.
http://leafcutterdesigns.com/shop.html
My best 'stunt' was a singing telegram to my girlfriend's (same one) dorm a few years back. Definitely a hit. This year is dinner at a surprise location which we always walk by and she says "aww, we should eat there sometime, its cute". You don't have to go too crazy, just let her (or him, ladies!) know she's special and that you've been paying attention.
This is why I keep my password file encrypted. Any I don't use that standard '.txt' extension either. Mine is 'passwords.rot13'... no one would ever guess that!
Sounds wonderful... if only it would work on Verizon's network :o(
You must not be new here.
Let's be honest here. What you really meant was:
Right, because:
Obviously validates to True.
What's the street value of a kilo of "cocaindollar"?
Ok, I know that m is 1000 and I think pi is supposed to be 3.2 ...
So plugging that in gives me E=1000((3.2r^2)^2)
But what is r then, mister smarty pants??
Ahhh, my apologies. Yeah, I know about the Loongson. What I was wondering is where you can buy these Atom-comparable Loongson laptops. Glancing at the bottom of the Wiki page you linked to, only two companies have claimed to sell these (outside of China). One turned out to be a scam, and the other is the one I'd heard of which doesn't appear to actually be selling anything yet (and when it does is estimated at almost 400 Euros). So where are you seeing them?
[citation needed]
Not because I don't believe you or think you're wrong, but because I haven't seen anything of the sort reported and I'm actually curious. I've only read about MIPS laptop and it wasn't much differently priced from its x86 brethren.
Before you go throwing stones you might want to realize that not everyone works in the same environment as you[, jackass]. Or with the same budget. Or time.
He didn't say he lined up 100 machines and sat down in front of each of them and did the install one-by-one, forever ignorant of the multitude of ways one can streamline the process. He said he did "a lot". And frankly, as someone (who is also a IT Professional) does Windows installs on occasion, I'd be annoyed too if the install process changed every time. And yes, thank you, I know about and use such mind-boggling concepts as "disk imaging" and RIS.
Might I suggest you google "greater dickwad theory" and think about it for a minute before condescending next time?
Facebook/myspace/twitter/etc are not pre-installed, and they seem to be doing ok for themselves.
I hate this move-the-client-into-the-browser as much as the next person, but part of the reason that Wave could work (for normal everyday user-types) is that it works in webbrowsers. Safari, Firefox, and Chrome... who knows maybe even IE8 will eventually work. It'll even work in phones - the demo showed an iPhone and an Android phone.
As another post pointed out, writing "robots" appears to be pretty easy, and I don't imagine it'll take long at all for a robot gateway to be written to these other services (it may already exist).
Hey, cool story bro.
Duh! All the metal! Ever put a fork in the microwave on accident?
Wow, hold a grudge much? You don't suppose the quality of their products has changed much in the last 15 years?
It's not that hard, people have been doing it forever. Ever heard of file folders?
100 tabs over 12 pages is only 8 or so tabs. I routinely have the same setup here and the way I manage it is by separating my tabs amongst different windows. Email, calendar, slashdot, facebook, twitter in one. News in another. If I'm working on a project on MySQL, I'll have a half dozen or so pages about that in another. Python pages in another. Ubuntu audio problems open in another. Qt documentation in another.
So all I need to keep track of is which window is for which task (aided by multiple desktops courtesy X). Now I've only got to look across 8 tabs or so for the right page.
Really helpful sites are bookmarked, but bookmarks are unwieldy (more work to sort) and just because I need a page over a couple days, doesn't mean I'll need it ever again. Also my job often requires me to be working on multiple different projects (see above) at the same time, so why bother closing all my python tabs if I'm going to be working on python again in a couple hours?
Also, FWIW, I've never seen any of these memory leak problems people talk about (Linux - Slackware and Ubuntu) in any version of Firefox. Guess I'm just lucky?
My biggest beef with Firefox is that there isn't a Mozilla-provided msi installer (and Group Policy admin tool). That's why its not more widely used at my work. No Frontmotion doesn't cut it.
Bill
Just because "3." is always "Profit!" doesn't mean you can just leave it out.
Traditions must be observed! Especially by 7-digit UID's.
Yes, the Internet is a public place. But to follow your analogy, this doesn't mean I want to followed around all day being photographed going to the grocery store, the doctor's office, the bank, etc.
The "Google" part that comes before "Chrome" is why I'll never use it. Usage tracking just makes too much sense for their business for them *not* to include it in a browser.
You mean the 90% that buys a new computer once every six years? I doubt my mom's P3 with 128 MB RAM will be running Word across the Internet. Considering how far Linux has come in the past two-three years alone, I see no reason why she'll buy a new computer with Windows n and Microsoft Office y Online (TM) and start paying a monthly bill to MS for the privilege of typing up a document for the school marching band board meeting. For that matter, she already uses OpenOffice.
Home users will not be leading the Web 3.0 revolution.
Sorry friend, but I highly doubt that anyone on /. is going to say to themselves "Wow, I really need to get over to Santa Rosa Junior College and take some IT classes, it sounds like they have a great program."
I know they say that any publicity is good publicity, but frankly you'd be a moron to associate yourself with some lawyer happy JC if you didn't have to. If you lived in the area and heard about this story (having never heard of the place before!) would you really be inclined to start taking classes there *now*?
Ok, I guess you're right ;o)