Hey, check out the user and password icon...that looks like a tweaked up version of the MSN Messanger icon that I get on my mac when it starts. Like...they put hair on them, and put a lock in front of them
It's not that I have not bought Linux. I have. I've bought a couple of copies of Mandrake for my mother, and a number (read, more than 20) of systems with redhat (does that count? I think so, I get the support along with it). It's that I don't _have_ to. I experiement a lot. Buying a distribution for the sake of my experimentation is not worth it. However, when I experiment, I do contribute bug reports, help other users, and do my best to promote linux as a whole.
So, I will not buy UnitedLinux because I have to buy to experiment. I didn't buy Caldera for the same reason, and I didn't buy suse for the same reason.
It's sounds silly, I know. and I imagine I'll get flamed to hell and back, but eh, I got karma out the ass.
IIRC, this is called a vertical monopoly, where a single company controls the means of creation and distribution. IIRC, there was a situation like this many years ago with the motion picture industry, where threatres were actually owned by MGM, Paramount, and the like.
I'm glad to see them stepping up to patch this stuff. Really. I'm not being sarcastic. A lot of people use IE, and we shouldn't jsut curse our grandmothers and mothers to using a flawed browser. I really salute them for taking the security stance a little more seriously.
Of course, I say this even though my mother got Mandrake 8.2 for Mother's Day.
Of course, working as a sysadmin at a gov't facility removes the bad stuff. I've been on call 4 times in 3 years, for a week each time, and only recieved two calls. I'd do it again:)
I'm from the TriCities Linux Users group in Richland, WA, a mere 3 hours down the road.
I will gladly volunteer my time to this project. Not Just weekends. Not just a couple of hours here and there. I'm a unix system administrator with about 5 years of solid linux experience. I have experience in educational systems (I learn and admined linux at a university).
Please contact us. Our mailing list can be found at www.3clug.org.
I might suggest you see if there are volunteers from the OSDL (Open Source Development Lab) right there in Portland.
I would also suggest a good leader for this. This is going to be a lot of "heads" arguing back and forth, and having a "this is the way it's gonna be guy" is gonna work best.
You will have the people to do it. Just ask. We will save your school district money. We will make it work. You will not feel forced into a companies bottom line ever again.
AFAIK, 1/2 of the cost of each node is the interconnect, which has 1-3microsecond latency and gigabit bandwidth. The 24.5 million figure also includes a huge storage array on fibre channel (like 150 terabytes, I believe). And note, each node has 12 gig of ram.
Check out the smtp transport for jabber...this might provide what your looking for.
I've thought this would be an excellent idea as well. So much in fact, that I've been looking at encorporating it into my esmith box. It would be great...add an account, they get domain access, windows shares, email, webmail, groups, jabber...a real single point of service (ya, I know...take it out and your screwed...there are ways around that).
I have a lot fo friends on different IM systems. Mostly it's AIM, but some on ICQ, Yahoo, and MSN. I use gabber as my primary linux IM client, and myJabber for windows.
Probably the best thing about gabber and myJabber is that they offer encryption. Both can connect to servers using SSL encryption, and gabber has the added bonus of being able to use GPG keys for one to one chats to particular users. This gives me a warm squishy feeling as I communicate over networks that I _know_ are being monitored. The SSL is very nice, because at least I know my communication between the server and myself is at least not totally trivial to break (yes, I know about ettercap). This appears to even affect my aim traffic, as the AIM transport on the server does the actual relaying of messages.
Jabber has a billion other things in it. You should really give it a shot.
I know those are reasons I work for the gov't. Gov't employees get paid the same amount whereveer you go, so pick a place where your money will go father.
Unlike some IT places in gov't, I actually go on call (aka pager duty)....once every 4 months. Then I have it for a week. How may pager calls have I gotten? 2...in 3 years.
Gov't IT jobs will not put you in the hospital young. They are about reasonable amounts of work, using big hardware, and helping out whoever is spending the tax dollars to make something good happen.
Portage figures out dependendies quite nicely, so take advantage of it. Pick a couple high level apps that you know you will use, and work on those first. For instance, I frequently do
emerge evolution galeon lynx nessus xmms
and it gets x, gnome, and all the bells and whistles that I need to run on my system, based on the USE variable set in my make.conf. Do the above and you can leave it go while you go to work or sleep and be assured that things went nicely.
I'll also mention that if you do
emerge evolution; emerge galeon;
It will have the advantage of compiling in series, and thus maybe catching some things that you don't have to redo later, but the disadvantage of failing multiple times on something that does not have a perfect build script, and you can't track down what caused it. I do it with
emerge evolution galeon
because you can see what died easier (the last thing on the screen.
I'd love to see gabber and evolution linked together a little more. Perhaps automagic importing of vcards or right click options for emailing a contact on your gabber list.
I've gotta say, it'd be awesome for a corp environment. Gabber (and Jabber as a whole) is a pretty neat protocol, and includes a lot of features that I just love (gpg/pgp encrypted messages, ssl logins...god I love not having my traffic sniffed to death). Combine this with a jabber server in the corp setting, it'd pretty neat for communicating.
Someone once said, "Programmers are often so fascinated by the fact that they can that they often don't think about whether they should.
If I find a site that does this, I will not use their product. I will email the web admin and inform them why, and I will feel a little better hoping that my little bit may cause them to stop using this technology because it costs them more money than it makes.
I'ma fairly die-hard redhat user, but I wanted to try out gentoo.
What impressed me most was the speed once you installed it. It was astounding. My desktop is a 1.2 Ghz athlon with 1/2 a gig of ram, and I saw _huge_ performance gains. I am guessing about 20%, maybe more. Granted, this is not empirical, but it really did feel much faster. Compiler optimizations rock!
Anyone know of a nice system to be able to rebuild all your rpms with all optimizations? I'm looking for a script that figures out what's on your system, downloads the dev packages it needs, and then recompiles all the.src.rpms with optimizations...
It's been my experience as well. We ran some benchmarks (informal, but fairly accurate) depicting memory speed and disk speed and processor speed. The one that really comes to mind was some octave. A p4 1.5 Ghz beat up the blade 100 and the blade 1000 quite handly (multiple times faster).
I think that these things are designed to give desktop compatibility with the larger sun boxes that are more..um..useful.
The rule of the game is that unless you _need_ 64 bit, use an x86. I'll probably get flamed all over for that, but dollar for dollar, the consumer market has the fastest machines.
my favorite argument against software piracy is that it raises the cost to the consumer.
I learned in Econ 101 that the vendor charges what the market will bear...We appear to be bearing it just fine, so I really doubt that it'll drop.
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I think I'll start buying my hardware overseas now. Oh, what? Mr. Tech Industry? You don't like that? Put down this silly business. Guess I'll have to start attending more live performances.
Can you give an estimationg of how long is "long after". If it was more than 2 months, that's really irresponsible (but yes, they ahve a track record of that). If it was under a month, it might have been too fast to fix.
I agree though. If there is evidence that this has appeared in the wild, it should be immediate, even if it means disabling the service.
Interesting that I get to go to work today to image a machine that has been netbus'd
I'll agree at 1) and 2), but 3) they at least have the potential. The problem is that the environment and business model promotes features over security.
I should also point out that it only gives them a grace period, does not excuse, nor prevent the bug from being released. The reporter SHOULD give them a grace period, but he does not have to. Certainly, once he has given a grace period and feels that the company is seriously trying to fix it (this is hard to determine, but involving the reporter more seriously, by providing patches for testing against, would certainly help), he can extend it if he wants, or release it.
Actually, there are no MUSTs or MUST NOTs for the reporter, but there are for the vendor.
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Hey, check out the user and password icon...that looks like a tweaked up version of the MSN Messanger icon that I get on my mac when it starts. Like...they put hair on them, and put a lock in front of them
and won't use UnitedLinux either.
It's not that I have not bought Linux. I have. I've bought a couple of copies of Mandrake for my mother, and a number (read, more than 20) of systems with redhat (does that count? I think so, I get the support along with it). It's that I don't _have_ to. I experiement a lot. Buying a distribution for the sake of my experimentation is not worth it. However, when I experiment, I do contribute bug reports, help other users, and do my best to promote linux as a whole.
So, I will not buy UnitedLinux because I have to buy to experiment. I didn't buy Caldera for the same reason, and I didn't buy suse for the same reason.
It's sounds silly, I know. and I imagine I'll get flamed to hell and back, but eh, I got karma out the ass.
IIRC, this is called a vertical monopoly, where a single company controls the means of creation and distribution. IIRC, there was a situation like this many years ago with the motion picture industry, where threatres were actually owned by MGM, Paramount, and the like.
Users are the weakest link. Always has been. The user chose the password.
But are intermezzo or coda really ready to go? I have no experience with them myself, but was recently asked this same question
I'm glad to see them stepping up to patch this stuff. Really. I'm not being sarcastic. A lot of people use IE, and we shouldn't jsut curse our grandmothers and mothers to using a flawed browser. I really salute them for taking the security stance a little more seriously.
Of course, I say this even though my mother got Mandrake 8.2 for Mother's Day.
Of course, working as a sysadmin at a gov't facility removes the bad stuff. I've been on call 4 times in 3 years, for a week each time, and only recieved two calls. I'd do it again :)
I'm from the TriCities Linux Users group in Richland, WA, a mere 3 hours down the road.
I will gladly volunteer my time to this project. Not Just weekends. Not just a couple of hours here and there. I'm a unix system administrator with about 5 years of solid linux experience. I have experience in educational systems (I learn and admined linux at a university).
Please contact us. Our mailing list can be found at www.3clug.org.
I might suggest you see if there are volunteers from the OSDL (Open Source Development Lab) right there in Portland.
I would also suggest a good leader for this. This is going to be a lot of "heads" arguing back and forth, and having a "this is the way it's gonna be guy" is gonna work best.
You will have the people to do it. Just ask. We will save your school district money. We will make it work. You will not feel forced into a companies bottom line ever again.
--Doug Nordwall
lacks in firewire (not a big deal to me). I wonder if it will take a full size card is all. But, ya, this is a nice box.
Wierd, it mentioned firewire ports in another seciton of the site. maybe that's the old gbox...
AFAIK, 1/2 of the cost of each node is the interconnect, which has 1-3microsecond latency and gigabit bandwidth. The 24.5 million figure also includes a huge storage array on fibre channel (like 150 terabytes, I believe). And note, each node has 12 gig of ram.
Check out the smtp transport for jabber...this might provide what your looking for.
I've thought this would be an excellent idea as well. So much in fact, that I've been looking at encorporating it into my esmith box. It would be great...add an account, they get domain access, windows shares, email, webmail, groups, jabber...a real single point of service (ya, I know...take it out and your screwed...there are ways around that).
Actually, you should check out the smtp transport for jabber....it might provide some of the functionality that you require.
I have a lot fo friends on different IM systems. Mostly it's AIM, but some on ICQ, Yahoo, and MSN. I use gabber as my primary linux IM client, and myJabber for windows.
Probably the best thing about gabber and myJabber is that they offer encryption. Both can connect to servers using SSL encryption, and gabber has the added bonus of being able to use GPG keys for one to one chats to particular users. This gives me a warm squishy feeling as I communicate over networks that I _know_ are being monitored. The SSL is very nice, because at least I know my communication between the server and myself is at least not totally trivial to break (yes, I know about ettercap). This appears to even affect my aim traffic, as the AIM transport on the server does the actual relaying of messages.
Jabber has a billion other things in it. You should really give it a shot.
I know those are reasons I work for the gov't. Gov't employees get paid the same amount whereveer you go, so pick a place where your money will go father.
Unlike some IT places in gov't, I actually go on call (aka pager duty)....once every 4 months. Then I have it for a week. How may pager calls have I gotten? 2...in 3 years.
Gov't IT jobs will not put you in the hospital young. They are about reasonable amounts of work, using big hardware, and helping out whoever is spending the tax dollars to make something good happen.
Portage figures out dependendies quite nicely, so take advantage of it. Pick a couple high level apps that you know you will use, and work on those first. For instance, I frequently do
emerge evolution galeon lynx nessus xmms
and it gets x, gnome, and all the bells and whistles that I need to run on my system, based on the USE variable set in my make.conf. Do the above and you can leave it go while you go to work or sleep and be assured that things went nicely.
I'll also mention that if you do
emerge evolution; emerge galeon;
It will have the advantage of compiling in series, and thus maybe catching some things that you don't have to redo later, but the disadvantage of failing multiple times on something that does not have a perfect build script, and you can't track down what caused it. I do it with
emerge evolution galeon
because you can see what died easier (the last thing on the screen.
I'd love to see gabber and evolution linked together a little more. Perhaps automagic importing of vcards or right click options for emailing a contact on your gabber list.
I've gotta say, it'd be awesome for a corp environment. Gabber (and Jabber as a whole) is a pretty neat protocol, and includes a lot of features that I just love (gpg/pgp encrypted messages, ssl logins...god I love not having my traffic sniffed to death). Combine this with a jabber server in the corp setting, it'd pretty neat for communicating.
Someone once said, "Programmers are often so fascinated by the fact that they can that they often don't think about whether they should.
If I find a site that does this, I will not use their product. I will email the web admin and inform them why, and I will feel a little better hoping that my little bit may cause them to stop using this technology because it costs them more money than it makes.
I'ma fairly die-hard redhat user, but I wanted to try out gentoo.
.src.rpms with optimizations...
What impressed me most was the speed once you installed it. It was astounding. My desktop is a 1.2 Ghz athlon with 1/2 a gig of ram, and I saw _huge_ performance gains. I am guessing about 20%, maybe more. Granted, this is not empirical, but it really did feel much faster. Compiler optimizations rock!
Anyone know of a nice system to be able to rebuild all your rpms with all optimizations? I'm looking for a script that figures out what's on your system, downloads the dev packages it needs, and then recompiles all the
It's been my experience as well. We ran some benchmarks (informal, but fairly accurate) depicting memory speed and disk speed and processor speed. The one that really comes to mind was some octave. A p4 1.5 Ghz beat up the blade 100 and the blade 1000 quite handly (multiple times faster).
I think that these things are designed to give desktop compatibility with the larger sun boxes that are more..um..useful.
The rule of the game is that unless you _need_ 64 bit, use an x86. I'll probably get flamed all over for that, but dollar for dollar, the consumer market has the fastest machines.
my favorite argument against software piracy is that it raises the cost to the consumer.
I learned in Econ 101 that the vendor charges what the market will bear...We appear to be bearing it just fine, so I really doubt that it'll drop.
I think I'll start buying my hardware overseas now. Oh, what? Mr. Tech Industry? You don't like that? Put down this silly business. Guess I'll have to start attending more live performances.
Would you say that if the project were Mozilla? If the project were Gnome? If the project were XFree86?
Can you give an estimationg of how long is "long after". If it was more than 2 months, that's really irresponsible (but yes, they ahve a track record of that). If it was under a month, it might have been too fast to fix.
I agree though. If there is evidence that this has appeared in the wild, it should be immediate, even if it means disabling the service.
Interesting that I get to go to work today to image a machine that has been netbus'd
I'll agree at 1) and 2), but 3) they at least have the potential. The problem is that the environment and business model promotes features over security.
I should also point out that it only gives them a grace period, does not excuse, nor prevent the bug from being released. The reporter SHOULD give them a grace period, but he does not have to. Certainly, once he has given a grace period and feels that the company is seriously trying to fix it (this is hard to determine, but involving the reporter more seriously, by providing patches for testing against, would certainly help), he can extend it if he wants, or release it.
Actually, there are no MUSTs or MUST NOTs for the reporter, but there are for the vendor.
thanks a bundle :) Now I will jsut add content while I wait for slashdot to let me post. Time delays suck for the fast typer