So basicaly what you are saying is that Microsoft is allowed to integrate whatever it suits them into their dominant OS and bastardised it the way they want !? because the mighty market will sort this out !?
An other and maybe much simpler idea, is to imagine a subscription scheme. i.e if you have a paying account for Bugzilla, then you can vote for bugs, the most popular bugs will have a priority in treatment. Every month you will have a new credit you can spend the way you want. This is not very different from the Mandrake club, apart that in Mandrake it's only used to vote for packages which will be included. The subscription model is intersting because it's easier ta manage, and will assure Mozilla a loyal base and a constant money feed. It will be then of the responsability of Mozilla Organization to share the subscription money collected among developers the way it suits it.
No, it dosen't work this way ! because most of this money will be recycled in the US economy to buy good India doesn't and can't produce and they are many of them, high tech goods for instance. I am pretty sure India has a negative economic balance with the US. The money which goes back to the US creates american, jobs, but alas not as programers jobs as tehose that have been lost, but probably other kind of jobs.
In fact Mandrake Did ! attract investors, but they have hired very bad (at that time they called it experienced management) which has adopted an inceredible cash burn rate, they suddenly doubled the number of people working for them, then hired a very expensive office, and adopted an e-learning strategy nobody was able to say what it was really. That was during the dot come craze. They have been slowly recovering since they have fired their management, but I don't know if this will be enough for them to avoid banckrupcy.
Don't be so affirmative and general http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/ (a very nice Gnome IE) is the perfect counter example of what you are saying it has been initiated buy Naba Kumar Singh who I am pretty sure, at least at that time leaved in India.
This is because of billy boy ! one of his pet ideas, something he keeps talking about whenever is has the opportunity to talk about the future of software. He wants software that does things for you, that configue itself, that "guess" what you wanted to do ! this is for instance why Word insists on formatting what your type, making guess about what you wanted to do. This is just plain annoying ! every time you install a new instance of MS Office you have to endure this insanity ! it's one the first things I disable. Too bad, a lot of MS Office users are not aware of this, and keep silently suffring from billy's crazy ideas !
I am afraid Google has to evolve and offer new services and also figures out new ways to have more revenues, otherwise it will just stall and becomes quickly irrelevant. It can't just stay as a search engine forever. I only hope it will find the right balance to not lose its soul.
Don't get me wrong ! this is not a flambait ! SF is a very nice service for the community and I sure thank VA very much for offering it. But ! because Tim Perdue was a PHP programmer they have decided built everything from scratch and they did badly. A new case of reinventing the wheel. I mean why did they build a new and very weak bugs tracker ? while Bugzilla even at that time was already doing a very nice job, they have built new forums very clumsy to use, I can go on and on ! they have build a new mail archive which works very badly while pipermail does a very nice jobs. Best of all they closed the source of SF and have completely stopped adding new features, they won't install the new version 3.1 which is now commercial only. Plus they don't answer bugs requests neither feature requests anymore. It's not google searchable, and It's really difficult to search in all the forums of a project in the same time as you must visit _every_ to do your search, I can go on and on and on.
Well sorry, after some googling, it appears that LBX is largly outdated, and didn't achieve the performances it's conceptors were hoping. This brief paper of Keith packard explains why : http://www.xfree86.org/~keithp/talks/lbxpost/paper.html
the biggest distinction is that Citrix uses a TINY amount of bandwidth when compared to X-11 or VNC. Whereas Citrix ICA protocol can work very nicely at 20Kbps VNC can easily use a couple of hundred Kbps and X-11 can go over 10Mbps for even basic applications.
Indeed X is a bandwidth hog, but I am not sure about the 10mbs your are talking about, this seems way to much to me.Anyway there is LBX (Low Bandwidth X) which uses compression and caching through a proxy, it's said to be competitive with ICA in the bandwidth field : http://www.paulandlesley.org/faqs/LBX-HOWTO.html
Why has my question been moderated as a flamebait ? that was a genuine question !? thanks for all those who have answered ! it's clear that things are often not as simple as you might think !
Can someone explain ? is this Yet a New Case Of Reiventing The Wheel ? I thought that the Progeny (Debian based) installer : http://hackers.progeny.com/pgi/ was very nice and GPL too ?
Why is there a need to reinvent the wheel over and over again ?
Sun bought Star division which was selling and developing Star Office, two or three years ago. SD was a German compagny, I believe that StarOffice developers (which still count for 99% of Star/Open/Office developers) are still located in Germany.
Even if this was true, which I fact I doubt, then MS would have to prove it ! how could they ? by sending a cop to every buyer's house ?
Maybe some geeks could install what they want on it, including Windows XP, but how could joe six pack install Windows XP for example with it's activation process ?
Very intersting, and this could be a cure for fake music which will more and more encumber P2P networks, you just download the low quality part of the file and see if it's real or fake and voila.
Yes, I wonder why nobody seems to realise that ! Microsoft is obvously not going to sponsor a study which show that Linux has better TCO than WIN2K.
Most of the time all those shops that conduct the studies say pay us big busck and we'll show that your product is better. I think, MS chose IDC because they have a reputation of being more sympathetic to Linux, but hey who can refuse big bucks in a period where the econimy is down ! if they have chosen those total Bozos of Gartner everybody would have died of laughing.
In my opinion all those TCO studies are complete crap,I only trust genuine experiences from people I know !
Open source software rely mainly on the network effect for it's development and for it's Marketing too (that's what is called viral Marketing) yes lately companies like IBM, Redhat and many others have done a lot to make Linux maintstream, but the main Marketing medium for Linux remains word of mouth.
On the other hand, Linux is the admiral ship for all open source software, it come bundled with it, Linux has chown that OS is viable and it's success will make OS prevail too. It only needs time.
I don't know about this one, but one the things that were holding it back from replacing Oracle were stored procedures Table function now brings one of the features of stored procedures : the ability to return sets. Table Functions : Functions returning multiple rows and/or multiple columns are now much easier to use than before. You can call such a "table function" in the SELECT FROM clause, treating its output like a table. Also, PL/pgSQL functions can now return sets.
Thanks to SUN which initiated a Gnome usability study; there are now explicit usability projects http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ for Gnome and http://usability.kde.org for KDE. I feel that Gnome and KDE developpers have began paying attention to what heir usability contributors are saying, and there have been some (albeit) small steps in the right direction. But things will sure need some time to happen as is the always the case with open source. Open source need time. I am using Mozilla 1.2 right now, and it realy rocks ! IE 6.0 has been really left far behind ! in my opinion
A Russian State Commission is being formed to determine the reasons for the anomaly.
If there's one thing the United States taught Russia right about our form of democracy, it's bureaucracy...
Don't worry this is not specific to US or Russia, nearly everywhere in the world, this is the standard way to say that the problm will be quitly burried !
This a classic bootstraping problem, you have plenty of them in computer science. Conceptually it's exactly like recursive fucntions
f(n) = n*f(n-1) if n > 0 f(0) = 1,
you describe the function f for (n) in a simpler (n-1) version of itself.
Saying that a compiler is written in itself is misleading, in fact it's written in a simplified version, but powerfull enough to letwrite the first version of the compiler.
For a compiler n usually is 3.
Hence here how the first C compiler has been written.
f(0) was the the initial version, (a subset of C) and if my memory serves me well has been written in Fortran and of course compiled with Fortran to produce the first binary.
f(1) which can compile the complete C syntax has then been writen but in the C subset which f(0) understands, to produce the first complete C compiler.
Last but not least f(2) the final compiler has been rewriten or extended using all the C syntax of f(1) and then compiled with f(1) to produce the final compiler.
And here you are, you process has converged, now if you want to make new enhancements to the compiler, you can use the previous comiler and the syntax it understands (minus the new enhancements)
Have a look at this http://www.1dok.org/eng/index.html
The site says : 1dok.org is part of a programme of the Ministry of Economics, Technology and Transport (MWTV) and the Schleswig- Holstein Technology Foundation (TSH) funded out of the Innovative Actions of the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) by the European Commissions GD Regio.
I believe their intention is to base it on OpenOffice format, they want to make it the official office data format for the German government, and may later for all the Europen governments.
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So basicaly what you are saying is that Microsoft is allowed to integrate whatever it suits them into their dominant OS and bastardised it the way they want !? because the mighty market will sort this out !?
That what's the antitrust case was about !
This is a very nice ! I have spent countless hours in this site too, I have discovered the Wiki concept and Extreme Programming thanks to this site.
An other and maybe much simpler idea, is to imagine a subscription scheme. i.e if you have a paying account for Bugzilla, then you can vote for bugs, the most popular bugs will have a priority in treatment. Every month you will have a new credit you can spend the way you want. This is not very different from the Mandrake club, apart that in Mandrake it's only used to vote for packages which will be included. The subscription model is intersting because it's easier ta manage, and will assure Mozilla a loyal base and a constant money feed. It will be then of the responsability of Mozilla Organization to share the subscription money collected among developers the way it suits it.
No, it dosen't work this way ! because most of this money will be recycled in the US economy to buy good India doesn't and can't produce and they are many of them, high tech goods for instance. I am pretty sure India has a negative economic balance with the US. The money which goes back to the US creates american, jobs, but alas not as programers jobs as tehose that have been lost, but probably other kind of jobs.
In fact Mandrake Did ! attract investors, but they have hired very bad (at that time they called it experienced management) which has adopted an inceredible cash burn rate, they suddenly doubled the number of people working for them, then hired a very expensive office, and adopted an e-learning strategy nobody was able to say what it was really. That was during the dot come craze. They have been slowly recovering since they have fired their management, but I don't know if this will be enough for them to avoid banckrupcy.
Don't be so affirmative and general http://anjuta.sourceforge.net/ (a very nice Gnome IE) is the perfect counter example of what you are saying it has been initiated buy Naba Kumar Singh who I am pretty sure, at least at that time leaved in India.
This is because of billy boy ! one of his pet ideas, something he keeps talking about whenever is has the opportunity to talk about the future of software. He wants software that does things for you, that configue itself, that "guess" what you wanted to do ! this is for instance why Word insists on formatting what your type, making guess about what you wanted to do. This is just plain annoying ! every time you install a new instance of MS Office you have to endure this insanity ! it's one the first things I disable. Too bad, a lot of MS Office users are not aware of this, and keep silently suffring from billy's crazy ideas !
I am afraid Google has to evolve and offer new services and also figures out new ways to have more revenues, otherwise it will just stall and becomes quickly irrelevant. It can't just stay as a search engine forever. I only hope it will find the right balance to not lose its soul.
Don't get me wrong ! this is not a flambait ! SF is a very nice service for the community and I sure thank VA very much for offering it. But ! because Tim Perdue was a PHP programmer they have decided built everything from scratch and they did badly. A new case of reinventing the wheel. I mean why did they build a new and very weak bugs tracker ? while Bugzilla even at that time was already doing a very nice job, they have built new forums very clumsy to use, I can go on and on ! they have build a new mail archive which works very badly while pipermail does a very nice jobs. Best of all they closed the source of SF and have completely stopped adding new features, they won't install the new version 3.1 which is now commercial only. Plus they don't answer bugs requests neither feature requests anymore. It's not google searchable, and It's really difficult to search in all the forums of a project in the same time as you must visit _every_ to do your search, I can go on and on and on.
Well sorry, after some googling, it appears that LBX is largly outdated, and didn't achieve the performances it's conceptors were hoping. This brief paper of Keith packard explains why : http://www.xfree86.org/~keithp/talks/lbxpost/paper .html
the biggest distinction is that Citrix uses a TINY amount of bandwidth when compared to X-11 or VNC. Whereas Citrix ICA protocol can work very nicely at 20Kbps VNC can easily use a couple of hundred Kbps and X-11 can go over 10Mbps for even basic applications.
Indeed X is a bandwidth hog, but I am not sure about the 10mbs your are talking about, this seems way to much to me.Anyway there is LBX (Low Bandwidth X) which uses compression and caching through a proxy, it's said to be competitive with ICA in the bandwidth field : http://www.paulandlesley.org/faqs/LBX-HOWTO.html
Why has my question been moderated as a flamebait ? that was a genuine question !? thanks for all those who have answered ! it's clear that things are often not as simple as you might think !
Can someone explain ? is this Yet a New Case Of Reiventing The Wheel ? I thought that the Progeny (Debian based) installer : http://hackers.progeny.com/pgi/ was very nice and GPL too ?
Why is there a need to reinvent the wheel over and over again ?
OO quickstarter under Gnome http://ooqstart.sourceforge.net/
Sun bought Star division which was selling and developing Star Office, two or three years ago. SD was a German compagny, I believe that StarOffice developers (which still count for 99% of Star/Open/Office developers) are still located in Germany.
Even if this was true, which I fact I doubt, then MS would have to prove it ! how could they ? by sending a cop to every buyer's house ?
Maybe some geeks could install what they want on it, including Windows XP, but how could joe six pack install Windows XP for example with it's activation process ?
I like this quote on the amazon honour system :
Collect payments as small as $1.00 with our patented 1-Click technology.
Complete BS ! plus I thought their patent has been invalidated, as a similar patent has been granted to another compagny !
Very intersting, and this could be a cure for fake music which will more and more encumber P2P networks, you just download the low quality part of the file and see if it's real or fake and voila.
Yes, I wonder why nobody seems to realise that ! Microsoft is obvously not going to sponsor a study which show that Linux has better TCO than WIN2K.
Most of the time all those shops that conduct the studies say pay us big busck and we'll show that your product is better. I think, MS chose IDC because they have a reputation of being more sympathetic to Linux, but hey who can refuse big bucks in a period where the econimy is down ! if they have chosen those total Bozos of Gartner everybody would have died of laughing.
In my opinion all those TCO studies are complete crap,I only trust genuine experiences from people I know !
Open source software rely mainly on the network effect for it's development and for it's Marketing too (that's what is called viral Marketing) yes lately companies like IBM, Redhat and many others have done a lot to make Linux maintstream, but the main Marketing medium for Linux remains word of mouth.
On the other hand, Linux is the admiral ship for all open source software, it come bundled with it, Linux has chown that OS is viable and it's success will make OS prevail too. It only needs time.
I don't know about this one, but one the things that were holding it back from replacing Oracle were stored procedures Table function now brings one of the features of stored procedures : the ability to return sets.
Table Functions : Functions returning multiple rows and/or multiple columns are now much easier to use than before. You can call such a "table function" in the SELECT FROM clause, treating its output like a table. Also, PL/pgSQL functions can now return sets.
Thanks to SUN which initiated a Gnome usability study; there are now explicit usability projects http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ for Gnome and http://usability.kde.org for KDE. I feel that Gnome and KDE developpers have began paying attention to what heir usability contributors are saying, and there have been some (albeit) small steps in the right direction. But things will sure need some time to happen as is the always the case with open source. Open source need time. I am using Mozilla 1.2 right now, and it realy rocks ! IE 6.0 has been really left far behind ! in my opinion
A Russian State Commission is being formed to determine the reasons for the anomaly. If there's one thing the United States taught Russia right about our form of democracy, it's bureaucracy... Don't worry this is not specific to US or Russia, nearly everywhere in the world, this is the standard way to say that the problm will be quitly burried !
This a classic bootstraping problem, you have plenty of them in computer science. Conceptually it's exactly like recursive fucntions
f(n) = n*f(n-1) if n > 0
f(0) = 1,
you describe the function f for (n) in a simpler (n-1) version of itself.
Saying that a compiler is written in itself is misleading, in fact it's written in a simplified version, but powerfull enough to letwrite the first version of the compiler.
For a compiler n usually is 3.
Hence here how the first C compiler has been written.
f(0) was the the initial version, (a subset of C) and if my memory serves me well has been written in Fortran and of course compiled with Fortran to produce the first binary.
f(1) which can compile the complete C syntax has then been writen but in the C subset which f(0) understands, to produce the first complete C compiler.
Last but not least f(2) the final compiler has been rewriten or extended using all the C syntax of f(1) and then compiled with f(1) to produce the final compiler.
And here you are, you process has converged, now if you want to make new enhancements to the compiler, you can use the previous comiler and the syntax it understands (minus the new enhancements)
Have a look at this http://www.1dok.org/eng/index.html
The site says : 1dok.org is part of a programme of the Ministry of Economics, Technology and Transport (MWTV) and the Schleswig- Holstein Technology Foundation (TSH) funded out of the Innovative Actions of the European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) by the European Commissions GD Regio.
I believe their intention is to base it on OpenOffice format, they want to make it the official office data format for the German government, and may later for all the Europen governments.