Do they have to be spammers, can't we just shoot anyone who floods the night sky with any form of light.
Let's just ban electicity altogether. And then let's ban fire too, because that emits light. And then we could all live in caves and look at all the pretty stars all night!
...but this is NOT the way to combat terrorism. While it is important for the government to protect its citizens, it cannot violate the rights of other citizens in the process.
It makes me wonder, once again, why the original Bill of Rights didn't have 11 original amendments, The 11th Amendment should have been "The right to privacy".
Let's take this one step further, why does it matter if they do allow transfers to online gambling sites? Why is this a problem? What right does the government have to tell people that they can't gamble? What right does the government have to tell PayPal that they can't transfer money for people who do gamble?
This comment is a contradiction. You can't call for government regulation of PayPal but claim that the PATRIOT ACT needs to be repealed. Most laws regarding the regulation of businesses are also unconstitutional, so which do you want?
While I find spam as annoying as the next person, when would there ever be a case where you could justify some sort of damages equal to the financial sum of $500?
Maybe I'm just being ignorant here, but I really don't see spam as the problem that a lot of people make it out to be. Can someone enlighten me on any real problems that spam causes and who is actually effected by it?
Bases on the information I have, I see this law as more useless legislation that people should not be paying taxes to fund.
If companies are going to trample all over my fair-use rights, then I should be able to know before-hand whose products I'm not going to buy. I'm sick of not owning my own property
What rights are they trampling over? You didn't create the information stored on the media, you didn't facilitate the creation of the information stored on the media, what right do you have to it? You own the plastic or paper that a copyrighted piece of information is stored on, but that information is not your property.
While it isn't a bad idea for a company to label their product if it employs some sort of copy protection scheme, is it really the government's place to tell them that the have to?
I don't pay taxes for this sort of frivolous legislation.
It is thoroughly clear to me that many of Microsoft's actions arn't in the best interest of it's customers.
If Microsoft's actions aren't in the best interest of it's customers, who are they hurting? Are they hurting you? You already ceased to be Mircosoft customer, what difference does it really make to you?
I'm not going to go around in circles with you arguing about this, there is no point because most of your arguments are irrational. I'll just respond to some of your more disturbing comments.
That money goes straight to the top and to the shareholders. Everyone does not benefit, in fact, more and more, a select few at the top are the ONLY ones who benefit. This is a half truth. While it is true that the only people that DIRECTLY benefit from company profits are shareholders, everyone else involved that respective economy benefits INDIRECTLY through economic growth. Why do you not understand this? Its not even really the point, it is just an example of why a free market economy works. The thing that bothers me is the fact that you think it is a negative thing that shareholders and CEOs are the only ones who directly benefit from profits. Why should a shareholder who makes an intelligent investment sacrifice some of his money for somebody else who is less fortunate? Why should a CEO who is the successful head on a company give up some of his successful just because somebody else is less successful? Why should they be punished? Because other people are not as successful as they are? This line of thinking leads to communism, but maybe that is what you want. Wether this country is the best is a matter of controversy. You won't see it that way because you are blinded by the free market. Looking at other places to live and other forms of government rationally, I don't see any other place I would rather live than here. You are implying that you disagree, what country to do think is better and why? You may be right that I am "blinded" by the free market, I don't see any other economic system that works better. Perhaps you could enlighten me with what you think would be the ideal economic system and why its better. What do you mean, "any law that does protect individual rights is WRONG"? Sorry that was a typo, it should say 'that does not protect'. They are using H1B workers to replace their workforce. How is this infringing upon someone else's rights? The American workers do not have the right to remain employed at Sun nor do they have the right to force Sun to keep them employed. You may "believe" that they do, but that has no bearing on reality. When I see corporations destroying this country so some CEO and his shareholders can make a quick buck on the suffering of others, I DO think I am owed something. I'm owed something by the congressmen and women who are there to look after our country's well being. I'm owed something by our loser of a president. You are a parasite. You don't want to take responsibility for your own well being, you want somebody else to provide it for you. That is truely pathetic, even more pathetic is that you are not the only one who thinks like this. What could the government possibly owe you? The only purpose of the government is to make sure that nothing is taken away from you, not to give you things. George Bush is not your mommy, the congress doesn't need to spoon feed you through legislation. No, I am not at fault for my unemployment. I lost my previous job because of budget cuts. I worked at a University, and thanks to this warmongering administration, budget cuts at schools around the country has resulted in belt tightening. I was lucky enough to be held onto until I graduated, but after I left school, the position was eliminated. So you mean to tell me that you weren't even really laid off?? You graduated school and now you're just too lazy to go get a job?? And you are complaining about it?? I don't know if you are actually from this country, but if you are, I think you are not a very good american. I think you are a capitalist. While america operates on a capitalist system, being a die-hard capitalist as you are takes away from your concern with the well being of this country. Thanks for working to make sure America is a shitty place. If a capitalism takes away f
they are exploiting cheaper conditions in countries that don't have as good worker protections and consumer protections, to the detrimment of US workers. I don't think it can be ANY clearer that this is exploitation.
Exploit; To make use of selfishly or unethically. While Sun is acting in their own best interest there is nothing unethical about what they are doing. Nobody is being taken advantage of here. If one is willing to do the same job for a lower wage, then it would be irrational to pay someone else a higher wage.
No, not everyone benefits. The workers in the US whose jobs are replaced CERTAINLY do not benefit. You are only looking at the benefits to the corporation, while I am looking at a larger picture, that is how that loss affects the cities these corp WERE based in.
Everyone involved in the exchange of labor benefits. The US workers displaced don't fit into this exchange, that is why they were displaced. It is their responsibility to find employment that fulfills their desired income. In the REAL larger picture, you will see that if a company has larger profits this is actually a benefit to the cities that these corporations are based. If they make more money it allows the company to grow, creating more jobs in that city. The company can increase the wages of its local employees which they can spend locally in that community, it creates growth in the entire economy. Growing economies create more jobs, even jobs for the people that were laid off in other industries. Everyone benefits.
Now let's look at your idea. The government forces the company to keep paying its employees a wage that is too high for the work they do. This decreases the company's profits and they company either loses money or cannot grow at its full potential. They may be forced to cut back or not pay other employees the wages they do deserve. The economy does not grow, everyone suffers.
Screw the free market economy. It erodes all the things people have worked for in this country for the last 200 years.
Wow, I'm not sure what I can say to this. Did you ever stop and think why this country is the best country that has ever existed, what sets it apart from all other countries? Could it be the fact that we have a relatively free economy and true individual rights?
They have broken the laws on H1B employee use. They are hurting the US workforce by doing this. They are using this as a replacement for their workforce, and that is not the intention of the law. The stated intention is to fill positions that can not be filled by the available workforce....they can go build their own damn economy instead of leaching off ours because they can work for 1/10th what we can.
This law is immoral and unconstitutional, any law that does protect individual rights is WRONG. Not only does this one fail to protect peoples' rights, it takes rights away! The only people that are leaching off the economy are the people who are being paid salaries that they don't deserve. They are hiding behind an unjust law.
Sometimes companies do illegal things. You can't just blindly say it is "stifling a companies business practices" if they are breaking the law. Do you honestly think all corporations can do no wrong? That is pretty blind to me.
Of course some companies do illegal things, I wouldn't imply that they don't. They only time that a company does something that is really wrong, regradless of the legality, is when they are infringing upon somebody else's rights. That is the only time.
If you really believe this crap you are spewing, then you deserve to lose your job to some foreigner. Have fun in the unemployment line
If I lose my job to somebody who is willing to do it for less money then obviously I was not worth what I was being paid. There is nobody to blame for this, that is the the way that economies work. I am ok with this fact, there is an unlimited amount of oppurtunity i
Offshoring it to cheaper countries is exploiting countries with a lower standard of living
How is providing "cheaper" countries with jobs exploiting them? Moving jobs to countries where labor is cheaper is beneficial to everyone involved. The company benefits by getting labor at a lower price and increasing its profits, the laborers benefit by getting more gainful employment opportunity than the other opportunities that exist in their country. Both countries' economies grow as a result.
I'd prefer to voice my opinions on the matter and try to rectify the situation, instead of turning a blind eye to it like you are doing.
Your opinion on this policy is, in my opinion, one of the biggest problems with the line of thinking in this country. You are upset that Sun is taking employment opportunities away from people in this country. It is absolutely Sun's right to do this; we live in as close to a free market economy that exists in the world. Your proposed solution to the problem is for the government to step in and tell Sun what it can and can't do. What if the government told you where you could and could not work? Would this be acceptable to you? This type of government intervention in business hurts EVERYONE, stifling a company's business practices and reducing their profits hurts everyone involved with the company, all the employees, the shareholders and the economy in general. You want to rectify the situation, what situation? Companies don't owe people in MY country jobs. In MY country companies need to be able hire whoever they want.
You say I'm turning a blind eye, my eyes are wide open. Maybe you should open yours.
No, it's not OK to not respect the UN and its jurisdiction.
The United Nations is not a government that rules the world. Every country has the right to defend it's citizens. The United States government feels that it is taking action to defend its people. This is the underlying prinicple and that is what makes it right. It does not matter what other countries in the UN think.
If someone produces a technology they have a "right" to do whatever they want with it. Restricting what people can do (or how they can benefit) with things that they create takes away some of their rights.
I do want the government to say wether or not these corp's can exploit americans.
The purpose of the government is to protect individual rights. If the government dictates a corporation's employment practices it is taking the corparations rights away. I don't see how outsourcing labor is an "exploitation" anyway.
I will complain if I want to complain. Don't be a dick. If I see a company cutting off 2500 jobs, that has an effect on MY chances for employement
You are in control of your own employment. If you can't find a job in the computer industry, maybe you should look for a job in some other industry where there is a demand for employment. I don't understand why you think somebody owes you an IT job just because you desire one.
Corporations are being given back all this power, and no good will come of it.
Who do you want to have all the "power"? Do you want the government have the right to tell corporations who they employ and how much they pay them? If you don't like a particular company does, don't buy their products or use their services, but don't complain because people make a profit by running a business.
Did you actually read the article? They talked about id software. I think the article spiraled out of control because they also talked about almost every single designer of almost every single decent game that has ever come out.
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Do they have to be spammers, can't we just shoot anyone who floods the night sky with any form of light.
Let's just ban electicity altogether. And then let's ban fire too, because that emits light. And then we could all live in caves and look at all the pretty stars all night!
...but this is NOT the way to combat terrorism. While it is important for the government to protect its citizens, it cannot violate the rights of other citizens in the process.
It makes me wonder, once again, why the original Bill of Rights didn't have 11 original amendments, The 11th Amendment should have been "The right to privacy".
A software company that took this long to do something would have been long dead by now.
Is this a praise or an insult for Mozilla/open-source?
Let's take this one step further, why does it matter if they do allow transfers to online gambling sites? Why is this a problem? What right does the government have to tell people that they can't gamble? What right does the government have to tell PayPal that they can't transfer money for people who do gamble?
Who is getting hurt here?
This comment is a contradiction. You can't call for government regulation of PayPal but claim that the PATRIOT ACT needs to be repealed. Most laws regarding the regulation of businesses are also unconstitutional, so which do you want?
While I find spam as annoying as the next person, when would there ever be a case where you could justify some sort of damages equal to the financial sum of $500?
Maybe I'm just being ignorant here, but I really don't see spam as the problem that a lot of people make it out to be. Can someone enlighten me on any real problems that spam causes and who is actually effected by it?
Bases on the information I have, I see this law as more useless legislation that people should not be paying taxes to fund.
If companies are going to trample all over my fair-use rights, then I should be able to know before-hand whose products I'm not going to buy. I'm sick of not owning my own property
What rights are they trampling over? You didn't create the information stored on the media, you didn't facilitate the creation of the information stored on the media, what right do you have to it? You own the plastic or paper that a copyrighted piece of information is stored on, but that information is not your property.
While it isn't a bad idea for a company to label their product if it employs some sort of copy protection scheme, is it really the government's place to tell them that the have to?
I don't pay taxes for this sort of frivolous legislation.
It is thoroughly clear to me that many of Microsoft's actions arn't in the best interest of it's customers.
If Microsoft's actions aren't in the best interest of it's customers, who are they hurting? Are they hurting you? You already ceased to be Mircosoft customer, what difference does it really make to you?
People and corporations aren't entirely free to collude and conspire.
This is true. But in this particular situation do you believe collusion or a conspiracy is taking place? What laws are being broken?
I'm not going to go around in circles with you arguing about this, there is no point because most of your arguments are irrational. I'll just respond to some of your more disturbing comments.
That money goes straight to the top and to the shareholders. Everyone does not benefit, in fact, more and more, a select few at the top are the ONLY ones who benefit.
This is a half truth. While it is true that the only people that DIRECTLY benefit from company profits are shareholders, everyone else involved that respective economy benefits INDIRECTLY through economic growth. Why do you not understand this? Its not even really the point, it is just an example of why a free market economy works. The thing that bothers me is the fact that you think it is a negative thing that shareholders and CEOs are the only ones who directly benefit from profits. Why should a shareholder who makes an intelligent investment sacrifice some of his money for somebody else who is less fortunate? Why should a CEO who is the successful head on a company give up some of his successful just because somebody else is less successful? Why should they be punished? Because other people are not as successful as they are? This line of thinking leads to communism, but maybe that is what you want.
Wether this country is the best is a matter of controversy. You won't see it that way because you are blinded by the free market.
Looking at other places to live and other forms of government rationally, I don't see any other place I would rather live than here. You are implying that you disagree, what country to do think is better and why? You may be right that I am "blinded" by the free market, I don't see any other economic system that works better. Perhaps you could enlighten me with what you think would be the ideal economic system and why its better.
What do you mean, "any law that does protect individual rights is WRONG"?
Sorry that was a typo, it should say 'that does not protect'.
They are using H1B workers to replace their workforce.
How is this infringing upon someone else's rights? The American workers do not have the right to remain employed at Sun nor do they have the right to force Sun to keep them employed. You may "believe" that they do, but that has no bearing on reality.
When I see corporations destroying this country so some CEO and his shareholders can make a quick buck on the suffering of others, I DO think I am owed something. I'm owed something by the congressmen and women who are there to look after our country's well being. I'm owed something by our loser of a president.
You are a parasite. You don't want to take responsibility for your own well being, you want somebody else to provide it for you. That is truely pathetic, even more pathetic is that you are not the only one who thinks like this. What could the government possibly owe you? The only purpose of the government is to make sure that nothing is taken away from you, not to give you things. George Bush is not your mommy, the congress doesn't need to spoon feed you through legislation.
No, I am not at fault for my unemployment. I lost my previous job because of budget cuts. I worked at a University, and thanks to this warmongering administration, budget cuts at schools around the country has resulted in belt tightening. I was lucky enough to be held onto until I graduated, but after I left school, the position was eliminated.
So you mean to tell me that you weren't even really laid off?? You graduated school and now you're just too lazy to go get a job?? And you are complaining about it??
I don't know if you are actually from this country, but if you are, I think you are not a very good american. I think you are a capitalist. While america operates on a capitalist system, being a die-hard capitalist as you are takes away from your concern with the well being of this country. Thanks for working to make sure America is a shitty place.
If a capitalism takes away f
they are exploiting cheaper conditions in countries that don't have as good worker protections and consumer protections, to the detrimment of US workers. I don't think it can be ANY clearer that this is exploitation.
...they can go build their own damn economy instead of leaching off ours because they can work for 1/10th what we can.
Exploit; To make use of selfishly or unethically. While Sun is acting in their own best interest there is nothing unethical about what they are doing. Nobody is being taken advantage of here. If one is willing to do the same job for a lower wage, then it would be irrational to pay someone else a higher wage.
No, not everyone benefits. The workers in the US whose jobs are replaced CERTAINLY do not benefit. You are only looking at the benefits to the corporation, while I am looking at a larger picture, that is how that loss affects the cities these corp WERE based in.
Everyone involved in the exchange of labor benefits. The US workers displaced don't fit into this exchange, that is why they were displaced. It is their responsibility to find employment that fulfills their desired income. In the REAL larger picture, you will see that if a company has larger profits this is actually a benefit to the cities that these corporations are based. If they make more money it allows the company to grow, creating more jobs in that city. The company can increase the wages of its local employees which they can spend locally in that community, it creates growth in the entire economy. Growing economies create more jobs, even jobs for the people that were laid off in other industries. Everyone benefits.
Now let's look at your idea. The government forces the company to keep paying its employees a wage that is too high for the work they do. This decreases the company's profits and they company either loses money or cannot grow at its full potential. They may be forced to cut back or not pay other employees the wages they do deserve. The economy does not grow, everyone suffers.
Screw the free market economy. It erodes all the things people have worked for in this country for the last 200 years.
Wow, I'm not sure what I can say to this. Did you ever stop and think why this country is the best country that has ever existed, what sets it apart from all other countries? Could it be the fact that we have a relatively free economy and true individual rights?
They have broken the laws on H1B employee use. They are hurting the US workforce by doing this. They are using this as a replacement for their workforce, and that is not the intention of the law. The stated intention is to fill positions that can not be filled by the available workforce.
This law is immoral and unconstitutional, any law that does protect individual rights is WRONG. Not only does this one fail to protect peoples' rights, it takes rights away! The only people that are leaching off the economy are the people who are being paid salaries that they don't deserve. They are hiding behind an unjust law.
Sometimes companies do illegal things. You can't just blindly say it is "stifling a companies business practices" if they are breaking the law. Do you honestly think all corporations can do no wrong? That is pretty blind to me.
Of course some companies do illegal things, I wouldn't imply that they don't. They only time that a company does something that is really wrong, regradless of the legality, is when they are infringing upon somebody else's rights. That is the only time.
If you really believe this crap you are spewing, then you deserve to lose your job to some foreigner. Have fun in the unemployment line
If I lose my job to somebody who is willing to do it for less money then obviously I was not worth what I was being paid. There is nobody to blame for this, that is the the way that economies work. I am ok with this fact, there is an unlimited amount of oppurtunity i
Offshoring it to cheaper countries is exploiting countries with a lower standard of living
How is providing "cheaper" countries with jobs exploiting them? Moving jobs to countries where labor is cheaper is beneficial to everyone involved. The company benefits by getting labor at a lower price and increasing its profits, the laborers benefit by getting more gainful employment opportunity than the other opportunities that exist in their country. Both countries' economies grow as a result.
I'd prefer to voice my opinions on the matter and try to rectify the situation, instead of turning a blind eye to it like you are doing.
Your opinion on this policy is, in my opinion, one of the biggest problems with the line of thinking in this country. You are upset that Sun is taking employment opportunities away from people in this country. It is absolutely Sun's right to do this; we live in as close to a free market economy that exists in the world. Your proposed solution to the problem is for the government to step in and tell Sun what it can and can't do. What if the government told you where you could and could not work? Would this be acceptable to you? This type of government intervention in business hurts EVERYONE, stifling a company's business practices and reducing their profits hurts everyone involved with the company, all the employees, the shareholders and the economy in general. You want to rectify the situation, what situation? Companies don't owe people in MY country jobs. In MY country companies need to be able hire whoever they want.
You say I'm turning a blind eye, my eyes are wide open. Maybe you should open yours.
No, it's not OK to not respect the UN and its jurisdiction.
The United Nations is not a government that rules the world. Every country has the right to defend it's citizens. The United States government feels that it is taking action to defend its people. This is the underlying prinicple and that is what makes it right. It does not matter what other countries in the UN think.
No, I like my sentence the way it is.
If someone produces a technology they have a "right" to do whatever they want with it. Restricting what people can do (or how they can benefit) with things that they create takes away some of their rights.
I do want the government to say wether or not these corp's can exploit americans.
The purpose of the government is to protect individual rights. If the government dictates a corporation's employment practices it is taking the corparations rights away. I don't see how outsourcing labor is an "exploitation" anyway.
I will complain if I want to complain. Don't be a dick. If I see a company cutting off 2500 jobs, that has an effect on MY chances for employement
You are in control of your own employment. If you can't find a job in the computer industry, maybe you should look for a job in some other industry where there is a demand for employment. I don't understand why you think somebody owes you an IT job just because you desire one.
Corporations are being given back all this power, and no good will come of it.
Who do you want to have all the "power"? Do you want the government have the right to tell corporations who they employ and how much they pay them? If you don't like a particular company does, don't buy their products or use their services, but don't complain because people make a profit by running a business.
This is just another example of sacrificing the rights of a few for the "good" of many.
I'm sure that this has already been mentioned but:
developer focus != market share
What building did he actually walk up to??
If it was really were important it would have been guarded.
I'm unimpressed, maybe next week he'll write an article about how he went past a sign that said "employees only" at the Department of Motor Vehicles.
Did you actually read the article? They talked about id software. I think the article spiraled out of control because they also talked about almost every single designer of almost every single decent game that has ever come out.