Hey guys, while you're getting ready to nuke each other, would you mind nuking this? Just stop when the popping goes down to 1 every 3 seocnds or so.
Thanksmuch.
(years and years of fighting on both sides means that no one will win... I'm still amazingly surprised that the Northern Ireland peace process is still going forward to be honest)
AmigaOS had a happy medium: Creator of application chose the default, user could faff with it if he could be bothered. If application author didn't make a default, OS inserted crappy default icon for him and everyone laughed, so there was always motivation for good icons.
The user can still faff with it if they want in Windows too. Right click on the shortcut, and choose another icon if you want to from the Properties menu.
Some icons (IE, Outlook) don't do this, but they're not normal icons either...
1. I don't take anonymous cowards seriously. 2. You're not the person I was replying to anyway - that person already responded with false information (pretty common behavior for him actually if you read his other posts) 3. You don't back up your statements with any information.
So, please, forgive me if I don't take you seriously. At all.
I don't know why the idea of Microsoft charging people a licensing fee to develop software for Windows never crossed my mind before.
Probably because Microsoft were historically one of the few software companies who don't charge you to develop on their systems, where all of the others *did*.
Why can't someone go after Gates for stealing other peoples ideas and actualy makeing a HUGE profit off of it?
Because ideas are ten-a-penny. The work happens when you take an idea and turn it into something real.
You know that "information wants to be free" slogan people throw around here a lot? It's the same kind of thing. Ideas = information. Real work = music, poetry, books, movies. They're not equivalent.
Having learned Quantum Mechanics, Special Relativity and Statistical Mechanics, you still can't learn some damn formalism?
I probably could. It's just a matter of getting around to doing it, because I've found nearly zero use for it in day to day life. It's rare to come up with a new algorithm - most of them have been done already. At which point you're reduced to building routines using algorithms as lego blocks.
Even so, a lot of big-O notation is... well... not quite accurate any more. It only applies to decoherent datasets in secondary storage. Caching, branch prediction, pipelining, etc etc, all change the way these things work. For example, for a small dataset insertion sorts are much more efficient than a quicksort or a heapsort. Although that's contrary to what you'd learn in a class on algorithms.
Maybe you can do what someone with a CS degree is supposed to be able to do, but education isn't just about learning marketable skills. I'm just about done with a Masters in Computer Science, and I can certainly tell you that getting the degree was well worth my time. I really feel like I have a much broader understanding of Computer Science now, and that is worth something to me. Maybe it won't make me more marketable (I think it will), but money isn't everything. I love the subject, and I love learning about it.
The point is, surely, that a piece of paper is no substitute for skill, talent and passion for the subject matter.
I've got a degree in Physics, and I can hold my own against anyone with a CS degree except when it comes to calculating Big O notation for algorithms. I can do it informally, and back-of-the-envelope it, but I can't formally calculate the speed of an algorithm. I do, however, know what makes a fast algorithm, what makes a slow one, and know to pick the appropriate one for the task at hand.
Just try it! I have been watching PDA's for a while. This is my only exposure to Win CE. Frankly, the first few versions were uniformly bad.
I have tried it. From the sound of it, your criticism isn't of the use of the CPU, but rather you don't like how Windows CE works from a UI standpoint. That's fine, but you should try to be more accurate in your criticism.
This isn't a new concept by any means. Back in the summer of 2001 I had an internship with Whirlpool working on their wired home project. We had a table PC with a web based interface that would allow us to remotely control the fridge, washer/dryer, oven, microwave, etc. It had a "cool" factor to it, but I don't think it ever made it out of R&D just because it wasn't practical at the time.
It wasn't a new concept even then. Microsoft has been working on this exact kind of thing for over 10 years now - possibly as long as 15.
No support is mentioned by microsoft for the chip - and I wonder, had MS ever successfully supported a non-x86 architecture for any real length of time?
The answer is yes. They've supported PPC, ARM, and Mips for years with Windows and Windows CE.
No, you're right. The system isn't perfect. I adopt what I consider to be a realist's perspective toward situations such as this. It's not fair to be stuck doing rote memorization exercises, but it's also not fair to just sit there and bitch about it (or ignore the assignments). There's a student in one of my sophomore classes who voluntarily chose Sylvia Plath's The Bell Jar for a quotation analysis exercise when she could've chosen any novel over 100 pages. If she chooses to sleep in my class, I don't bother her about it. She obviously knows what she's doing, and the only reason she's in my regular-level class is because she doesn't want to work as hard. I teach sophomores and juniors; I threatened (mostly idly) to make her life difficult if she wasn't in an AP class next year. I can tell you that I will be aiming to create more "open" assignments, though, so that she'll have an opportunity to explore her own interests.
You might want to consider pushing her a little more.
One of my favorite teachers from school was my English lang/lit teacher. He was a hell of a cynical sarcastic bastard, and he insisted on pushing me hard. He didn't grade me on the curve - he graded me on how hard I was working vs. my ability, and quite happily docked marks if he saw that I was slacking.
And today, I love him for doing that.:) At the time I didn't appreciate it that much. I certainly worked harder in his class than any other though.
(End result? A career as a professional freelance journalist when I was still in highschool, writing for newsstand magazines).
Man, you're gonna hate college. I look forward to the weekend because it means that I'll get to catch up on all of the work I didn't get to do over the week because I opted to get 6 hours of sleep that night.
If you're in a top-tier school, expect to 3-4 hours per-class. The difference is that you're actually learning something instead of making sentences with words you'll never use again.
You appear to have come to the wrong conclusion... I graduated with honors in Physics with a minor in Electronic Engineering nearly 10 years ago.
I came from a school system where failing seemed to be the default behavior. The teachers seemed to have some sort of delusion of grandeur. They felt important, and prided on their ability to fail you. If they just plain didn't like you, they'd find an excuse to mark you down, even if you knew the material well. I used to get As and Bs on my exams and Ds and Es on my report card.
I've been through the whole "we're not afraid to fail you" thing. It's not a good road to go. I think a teacher should be positive, encouraging, even warm to their students, rather than hostile, agressive, or vindictive, motivating you through fear of failure.
That's not what the original poster is talking about. We need a society where it's ok for some people not to go to college. Where it's ok for them to drop out at age 15 from highschool and got to an apprenticeship or trade school somewhere. We don't need EVERYONE going to university leading to huge class sizes, and students leaving college no better off than when they started, but now they're $40,000 in debt.
If Universities in the US weren't just money printing machines I'd perhaps feel differently, but for the most part that's all they are.
Not everyone needs a college degree. Some people should be allowed to drop out of the system. You don't need a college degree to be an automechanic. Or to run a checkout register. Or to manage a grocery store. The system in this country is BROKEN.
My brother, however, in the UK is quite happy as the manager of a grocery store, and he dropped out when he was 16.
I am of the opinion that 1.5 to 2 total hours of homework per night is acceptable. Kids get out of school somewhere between 3 and 4 PM, and the average high schooler should go to bed at 10PM to get 8 hours of sleep. Asking 1.5 or 2 hours out of that section is fully reasonable, and simply prepares kids for the workload required in college, or a job (where 8 to 3 isn't really the standard day, anyway).
Hmmm... let's see what it was like when I was at school.
Get out of school at 3:35pm.
Arrive at home around 4:35pm.
35 minutes to 1 hour for dinner.
Math homework - 1 hour. French homework - 1 hour. Physics homework - 1 hour. History homework - 1 hour.
Finish around 9:35pm.
Bed time is 10pm.
Of course, I went to school in England, so your mileage may vary.
The world's richest college dropout complains that High Schools are poor. He went to private schools thirty years ago that his lawyer father paid for. He will be sending his kids to private schools.
What could be done if coporations like Microsoft payed their fair share of taxes? What could be done if they took their power as taxpayers to the school boards saying they are failing? What if Microsoft made it known that they will not invest in a community because of poor schools?
Instead they get tax breaks that shift taxes onto others. They send their kids to private schools. They only look at what will Bill his next billion and let the communities they are in go to hell. They will buy their way out, screw the rest of you.
Hmmm... you seem to have a very very odd view of what Microsoft and Bill Gates do and don't do regarding schools.
I'm not talking about a worksheet here. I abhor them, and they rarely grace my classroom. As I pointed out above, I can't assign an out-of-class reading (say, chapters 1 through 4) and expect it to get done. I teach English. This poses a bit of a problem, and forces me to devote classtime to reading a novel rather than actually studying it.
One question:
Why is it that teachers think that it's perfectly acceptable to assign 1 to 2 hours of homework each night to students? Such that by the time they get home, they have to spend a total of 4 hours doing nothing but homework?
Maybe it's just me, but after working all day, I need time to wind down. What makes you think that kids don't need that? Why should they have to spend every waking hour working on schoolwork, instead of say, spending a couple of hours max doing that, and then spending the rest of the time studying what they find interesting, or even just goofing off?
All work and no play makes Johnnie put an ax through the door.
So thanks Bill, but I'd rather you didn't try to convert the rest of secondary education into vocational training from age 10. The education system is there to develop people as human beings and cultivate their skills and interests. There will be plenty of time to learn job skills on the job; save the education system for more important things.
You're missing the fact that the American system doesn't specialize at all until pretty much the last year or University. I'm willing to bet that Bill would be happy with the British system.
Well, that would be a reasonable explanation except for the fact that immediately after I lost it, I created some other source files and nothing happened to them. I didnt do trojan/worm/virus scan inbetween either. And this was the ONLY source it happened to, I had other projects on my hard drive that were perfectly fine. I'm not blaming MS for this loss by Windows or VS (I was using VS for this project), I just brought it up as an example of data loss.
That trojan/worm didn't look for new files and then auto delete them; it did sweeps, went dormant, did sweeps, went dormant. It's also possible that another machine on the network was infected and was deleting files from your system through a network share.
Also, Visual Studio 2002 was incredibly buggy in its first release, and could trash files. Visual Source Safe also has some failure modes which could cause this kind of a problem.
The thing is, the least likely cause is the filesystem.
BS. Linux filesystems *might* lose data if you crash. Fat certainly can lose data if you crash. NTFS is much better for sure. But the point is, he did not have a crash.
Stop spewing FUD.
I'm not spewing FUD. Ext3 and ReiserFS are known to have problems with occasionally eating their own filesystems. I haven't seen an NTFS bug for nearly 10 years.
And you're right - crashes aren't mentioned or involved here at all. What killed his files was a trojan - so why is he blaming it on Windows file system handling?
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*gets bag of popcorn*
Hey guys, while you're getting ready to nuke each other, would you mind nuking this? Just stop when the popping goes down to 1 every 3 seocnds or so.
Thanksmuch.
(years and years of fighting on both sides means that no one will win... I'm still amazingly surprised that the Northern Ireland peace process is still going forward to be honest)
AmigaOS had a happy medium: Creator of application chose the default, user could faff with it if he could be bothered. If application author didn't make a default, OS inserted crappy default icon for him and everyone laughed, so there was always motivation for good icons.
The user can still faff with it if they want in Windows too. Right click on the shortcut, and choose another icon if you want to from the Properties menu.
Some icons (IE, Outlook) don't do this, but they're not normal icons either...
Hmmm... let's see:
1. I don't take anonymous cowards seriously.
2. You're not the person I was replying to anyway - that person already responded with false information (pretty common behavior for him actually if you read his other posts)
3. You don't back up your statements with any information.
So, please, forgive me if I don't take you seriously. At all.
Let you in on a little hint buddy, even nvidias drivers have that warning...
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No they don't.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_2k_71.
"Version: 71.84
Release Date: March 11, 2005
WHQL Certified"
Know what that last line - WHQL Certified - means?
Well, for starters, it means you're talking through your hat.
You missed the point. The little "designed for WinXP" logo is totally meaningless.
... that's totally different from being "rock stable robust in winxp" which most things are not.
Sure it "works" in winxp
Let me guess.. you click through the "these drivers have not been signed" warnings, don't you?
That warning means that the drivers haven't been through Microsoft's WHQL driver testing procedures. Which means that you deserve whatever you get.
I don't know why the idea of Microsoft charging people a licensing fee to develop software for Windows never crossed my mind before.
Probably because Microsoft were historically one of the few software companies who don't charge you to develop on their systems, where all of the others *did*.
Just a thought.
Why can't someone go after Gates for stealing other peoples ideas and actualy makeing a HUGE profit off of it?
Because ideas are ten-a-penny. The work happens when you take an idea and turn it into something real.
You know that "information wants to be free" slogan people throw around here a lot? It's the same kind of thing. Ideas = information. Real work = music, poetry, books, movies. They're not equivalent.
Having learned Quantum Mechanics, Special Relativity and Statistical Mechanics, you still can't learn some damn formalism?
... well... not quite accurate any more. It only applies to decoherent datasets in secondary storage. Caching, branch prediction, pipelining, etc etc, all change the way these things work. For example, for a small dataset insertion sorts are much more efficient than a quicksort or a heapsort. Although that's contrary to what you'd learn in a class on algorithms.
I probably could. It's just a matter of getting around to doing it, because I've found nearly zero use for it in day to day life. It's rare to come up with a new algorithm - most of them have been done already. At which point you're reduced to building routines using algorithms as lego blocks.
Even so, a lot of big-O notation is
Maybe you can do what someone with a CS degree is supposed to be able to do, but education isn't just about learning marketable skills. I'm just about done with a Masters in Computer Science, and I can certainly tell you that getting the degree was well worth my time. I really feel like I have a much broader understanding of Computer Science now, and that is worth something to me. Maybe it won't make me more marketable (I think it will), but money isn't everything. I love the subject, and I love learning about it.
The point is, surely, that a piece of paper is no substitute for skill, talent and passion for the subject matter.
I've got a degree in Physics, and I can hold my own against anyone with a CS degree except when it comes to calculating Big O notation for algorithms. I can do it informally, and back-of-the-envelope it, but I can't formally calculate the speed of an algorithm. I do, however, know what makes a fast algorithm, what makes a slow one, and know to pick the appropriate one for the task at hand.
had MS ever successfully supported a desktop/workstation OS on a non-x86 architecture for any real length of time?
g old1.asp.
Is the answer still yes?
Yes.
Read this: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winserver2k3_
Or any other of 1000s of articles re: PPC / MIPS / Alpha versions of NT.
Why not do a Google search and find the answer yourself instead of blustering from a position of ignorance?
Just try it! I have been watching PDA's for a while. This is my only exposure to Win CE. Frankly, the first few versions were uniformly bad.
I have tried it. From the sound of it, your criticism isn't of the use of the CPU, but rather you don't like how Windows CE works from a UI standpoint. That's fine, but you should try to be more accurate in your criticism.
As for supporting ARM with CE; only now, with the latest release of CE, can they even claim to have more than a limping, half-assed version.
Given that the ARM CPUs used with CE were in part designed by Microsoft in conjunction with ARM, I find that hard to believe.
This isn't a new concept by any means. Back in the summer of 2001 I had an internship with Whirlpool working on their wired home project. We had a table PC with a web based interface that would allow us to remotely control the fridge, washer/dryer, oven, microwave, etc. It had a "cool" factor to it, but I don't think it ever made it out of R&D just because it wasn't practical at the time.
It wasn't a new concept even then. Microsoft has been working on this exact kind of thing for over 10 years now - possibly as long as 15.
No support is mentioned by microsoft for the chip - and I wonder, had MS ever successfully supported a non-x86 architecture for any real length of time?
The answer is yes. They've supported PPC, ARM, and Mips for years with Windows and Windows CE.
You should try to get out more.
That whooshing noise you just heard was the point of his sarcastic post flying way over your head.
No, you're right. The system isn't perfect. I adopt what I consider to be a realist's perspective toward situations such as this. It's not fair to be stuck doing rote memorization exercises, but it's also not fair to just sit there and bitch about it (or ignore the assignments). There's a student in one of my sophomore classes who voluntarily chose Sylvia Plath's The Bell Jar for a quotation analysis exercise when she could've chosen any novel over 100 pages. If she chooses to sleep in my class, I don't bother her about it. She obviously knows what she's doing, and the only reason she's in my regular-level class is because she doesn't want to work as hard. I teach sophomores and juniors; I threatened (mostly idly) to make her life difficult if she wasn't in an AP class next year. I can tell you that I will be aiming to create more "open" assignments, though, so that she'll have an opportunity to explore her own interests.
:) At the time I didn't appreciate it that much. I certainly worked harder in his class than any other though.
You might want to consider pushing her a little more.
One of my favorite teachers from school was my English lang/lit teacher. He was a hell of a cynical sarcastic bastard, and he insisted on pushing me hard. He didn't grade me on the curve - he graded me on how hard I was working vs. my ability, and quite happily docked marks if he saw that I was slacking.
And today, I love him for doing that.
(End result? A career as a professional freelance journalist when I was still in highschool, writing for newsstand magazines).
Man, you're gonna hate college. I look forward to the weekend because it means that I'll get to catch up on all of the work I didn't get to do over the week because I opted to get 6 hours of sleep that night.
If you're in a top-tier school, expect to 3-4 hours per-class. The difference is that you're actually learning something instead of making sentences with words you'll never use again.
You appear to have come to the wrong conclusion... I graduated with honors in Physics with a minor in Electronic Engineering nearly 10 years ago.
I came from a school system where failing seemed to be the default behavior. The teachers seemed to have some sort of delusion of grandeur. They felt important, and prided on their ability to fail you. If they just plain didn't like you, they'd find an excuse to mark you down, even if you knew the material well. I used to get As and Bs on my exams and Ds and Es on my report card.
I've been through the whole "we're not afraid to fail you" thing. It's not a good road to go. I think a teacher should be positive, encouraging, even warm to their students, rather than hostile, agressive, or vindictive, motivating you through fear of failure.
That's not what the original poster is talking about. We need a society where it's ok for some people not to go to college. Where it's ok for them to drop out at age 15 from highschool and got to an apprenticeship or trade school somewhere. We don't need EVERYONE going to university leading to huge class sizes, and students leaving college no better off than when they started, but now they're $40,000 in debt.
If Universities in the US weren't just money printing machines I'd perhaps feel differently, but for the most part that's all they are.
Not everyone needs a college degree. Some people should be allowed to drop out of the system. You don't need a college degree to be an automechanic. Or to run a checkout register. Or to manage a grocery store. The system in this country is BROKEN.
My brother, however, in the UK is quite happy as the manager of a grocery store, and he dropped out when he was 16.
I am of the opinion that 1.5 to 2 total hours of homework per night is acceptable. Kids get out of school somewhere between 3 and 4 PM, and the average high schooler should go to bed at 10PM to get 8 hours of sleep. Asking 1.5 or 2 hours out of that section is fully reasonable, and simply prepares kids for the workload required in college, or a job (where 8 to 3 isn't really the standard day, anyway).
Hmmm... let's see what it was like when I was at school.
Get out of school at 3:35pm.
Arrive at home around 4:35pm.
35 minutes to 1 hour for dinner.
Math homework - 1 hour.
French homework - 1 hour.
Physics homework - 1 hour.
History homework - 1 hour.
Finish around 9:35pm.
Bed time is 10pm.
Of course, I went to school in England, so your mileage may vary.
The world's richest college dropout complains that High Schools are poor. He went to private schools thirty years ago that his lawyer father paid for. He will be sending his kids to private schools.
What could be done if coporations like Microsoft payed their fair share of taxes? What could be done if they took their power as taxpayers to the school boards saying they are failing? What if Microsoft made it known that they will not invest in a community because of poor schools?
Instead they get tax breaks that shift taxes onto others. They send their kids to private schools. They only look at what will Bill his next billion and let the communities they are in go to hell. They will buy their way out, screw the rest of you.
Hmmm... you seem to have a very very odd view of what Microsoft and Bill Gates do and don't do regarding schools.
Gates Foundation Schools Programs
Sounds like you're a little bitter.
I'm not talking about a worksheet here. I abhor them, and they rarely grace my classroom. As I pointed out above, I can't assign an out-of-class reading (say, chapters 1 through 4) and expect it to get done. I teach English. This poses a bit of a problem, and forces me to devote classtime to reading a novel rather than actually studying it.
One question:
Why is it that teachers think that it's perfectly acceptable to assign 1 to 2 hours of homework each night to students? Such that by the time they get home, they have to spend a total of 4 hours doing nothing but homework?
Maybe it's just me, but after working all day, I need time to wind down. What makes you think that kids don't need that? Why should they have to spend every waking hour working on schoolwork, instead of say, spending a couple of hours max doing that, and then spending the rest of the time studying what they find interesting, or even just goofing off?
All work and no play makes Johnnie put an ax through the door.
So thanks Bill, but I'd rather you didn't try to convert the rest of secondary education into vocational training from age 10. The education system is there to develop people as human beings and cultivate their skills and interests. There will be plenty of time to learn job skills on the job; save the education system for more important things.
You're missing the fact that the American system doesn't specialize at all until pretty much the last year or University. I'm willing to bet that Bill would be happy with the British system.
Well, that would be a reasonable explanation except for the fact that immediately after I lost it, I created some other source files and nothing happened to them. I didnt do trojan/worm/virus scan inbetween either. And this was the ONLY source it happened to, I had other projects on my hard drive that were perfectly fine. I'm not blaming MS for this loss by Windows or VS (I was using VS for this project), I just brought it up as an example of data loss.
That trojan/worm didn't look for new files and then auto delete them; it did sweeps, went dormant, did sweeps, went dormant. It's also possible that another machine on the network was infected and was deleting files from your system through a network share.
Also, Visual Studio 2002 was incredibly buggy in its first release, and could trash files. Visual Source Safe also has some failure modes which could cause this kind of a problem.
The thing is, the least likely cause is the filesystem.
BS. Linux filesystems *might* lose data if you crash. Fat certainly can lose data if you crash. NTFS is much better for sure.
But the point is, he did not have a crash.
Stop spewing FUD.
I'm not spewing FUD. Ext3 and ReiserFS are known to have problems with occasionally eating their own filesystems. I haven't seen an NTFS bug for nearly 10 years.
And you're right - crashes aren't mentioned or involved here at all. What killed his files was a trojan - so why is he blaming it on Windows file system handling?
Bullshit. Linux has had atomic and journaled filesystems for ages. No loss of data.
Google groups reference to ext3 corruption (Nov 2004)
Google groups references to changes to the kernel "in the hopes of lessening reports of Reiser corruption" (Dec 2004)
You were saying?