Now that you remind me of it, didn't Prodigy or CompuServe do this too? Heck, toss AOL in there. They must of had to do this before rolling out a full-fledged Internet offering.
The big question is would the patent office or the courts consider this applicable prior art. Don't know, IANAL.
Every win is just another brick in the wall to prove that this practice is bullshit and requires that Congress change the stupid law. It's obvious that nothing's going to happen until it starts to hurt comapnies with some pull.
Also be a great example to the EU of what not to allow.
That outcome is a "We'll see." IMHO. Eventually SCO and Novell are going to have to go at it in a courtroom to determine who owns what and what they can do with it.
Novell said "Don't you dare terminate IBM's license for AIX." and I haven't seen SCO put out anything saying they complied. Novell claims copyright to IP SCO requires to start suing end users (at least in their opinion.) and, in the press, SCO has basically accused Novell of a fraudulent filing. Both sides keep refering to one part of their contracts or another to "prove" they're right.
Both Novell and SCO keep drawing lines in the sand. Question is which one will file first?
This only works if Novell does not use an insurance agency to handle the claims. If they do "outsource" this out it is possible that the agency can bean count the issue and toss SCO the money instead of fighting the claim.
I want to see what Novell's offering before I say who wins.
How about an always-on spellchecker?/. would never be the same.
On a more serious note, I could see such technology being of use translating languages. Imagine being in Kyoto and having your eyewear being able to highlight where the bathroom was or being able to take a screenshot of the airport name so you don't forget. I'm not saying it would do anything complex but even simple survival translations would be cool.
Hell, it might even take the risk out of using the toilets.
They've went to bat twice already with "evidence" and got beaten down both times. It wasn't until the court compelled them to provide specific examples that they even started trying to show the code (we'll see how well they do the week of the 12th.) Not only are they compelled but all of their discovery and motions are on hold until they comply.
I'm not holding my breath or rushing to dump linux based on that hypothetical.
SCO hasn't even tried to work with the developers to remove the code. The developers keep asking what SCO thinks is infringing and SCO keeps demanding they sign a NDA which would effectively kill their careers in the *nix/OSS world.
No, I don't see SCO getting much in retroactive damages and imnsho that isn't their plan. Actually fixing the problem kills their ability to license linux in the future. Byebye to the revenue stream they're betting the business on.
It simply doesn't matter. Some of us are never going to use KDE just as others are never going to use Gnome. And it has nothing to do with being on one side of a holy war or another.
I'm simply not interested in KDE. Not even a little. I've got plenty of other things to do with my time and I have no inclination of dealing with another DE. Gnome is fine and with companies like Sun and Novell picking up the banner I think it'll be around and improving for quite some time. And personally I think the competition and exploring different approaches to doing things is a good thing. If they steal and rip-off every good idea they can find and make it work then more power to everyone.
It's not that I think KDE developers haven't done great work. But honestly, the only thing I really care about is that I can take someone's KWord document and open it in OO or AbiWord and have them do the same with my stuff. Who has best widget X doesn't mean that much to me.
Installing a filter requires equipment and software which costs money and doesn't reduce the wasted bandwidth coming through my pipe so now I have to buy a bigger connection to get the same amount of service which costs.... you got it - more money.
That doesn't include the fact that these jerks alter the from field so it looks like one of your own employees just sent a penis enlargement spam to the whole company and now I have to waste time investigating the headers and sending an email to the abuse addy which reduces my productivity and then legal has to determine if we want to do anything with it so there's more money down the drain. That doesn't include the time wasted by the other employees who have to deal with the stuff that gets past the filter.
And what can I get out of the spammer when my filter makes a false positive?
Because he just became Congress' posterboy for how effective CAN-SPAM is. "Look at me. I did all these deceptive things but now that Congress passed this law I'm going on the straight and narrow."
It is physical. Bandwidth is a limited, measurable resource. You can only get so much data through the medium and equipment you purchase. CPU cycles are also limited.
Maybe you can try an experiment and steal some electricity. By your way of thinking it doesn't exist in physical form either so you should be just fine.
I think they should if they can't see that something *seriously* wrong is going on.
Why? Stock went from nearly being delisted to >$15/share. They're being told their jobs are at risk because a bunch of free loading wankers have walked off with the company's property. A viewpoint reinforced by the business press and recent investments by Baystar and RBC.
What? You really expect every SCO employee to come home after work and start poring over Groklaw for the night and spending hours brushing up on copyright and contract law? Look at the recent Lyon's article in Forbes. Who you going to believe? A 54 year old grandma who posts over a thousand messages on a yahoo financial message board - and obviously doesn't understand a thing about investing btw - or a respected journalist who just debunked the fanatics and says SCO is the David vs the IBM Goliath. Hell, I'm putting the magazine down and playing with my kids. (Sorry br3n. Just playing Devil's Advocate here.)
It is extremely premature to state that any ethical employee would have bailed by this point in time. Look at it from their viewpoint. All litigation is still in discovery, no ruling on the motion to dismiss in the RH case, there is still hope that the company will find a good canidate to begin the ball rolling on SCOSource licensing. The lawsuits will take years to complete and it doesn't look like any jobs are going away soon. Explain to me how, from their perspective, that it would be obvious that something is seriously wrong.
UberGeeks have the common sense to do both and utter poseurs among us like to make comments about how using the system to make sure you get fed during a rough patch is selling out.
Ok, that's it. I've clicked 4 replies and ditched them because there wasn't anything to say but this is complete bullshit. Bush Sr. didn't finish the job because the UN wouldn't come along. The Middle East states did not want a Democracy in place, Europe didn't want to risk the possible casualties of a ground assault and neither did the American public. So everything got tidied up and signed off as project completed.
Oh you are right. Things aren't black and white but if you're going to postualte that getting Saddam out during the first Gulf War was Bush's fault you are just wrong. Those people died because the World pussied out on them. Unlike what can be argued this time around, the first Gulf War did have a coalition behind it and it fell apart once it became clear that finishing Saddam wouldn't be antispetic and pretty.
20-1 says Bush gets re-elected. I don't think anyone can outspend him and this administration's fuck-ups over the Iraq war have been totally glossed over and buried. I won't vote for him but I still think we're going to be stuck with Junior for 4 more years.
It's not just the 15 minutes to get your ass in the booth. It's the time spent figuring out the issues and what stance the canidates have on them.
Voting is a right that most people here in the US won't invest responsibility on. Pity we can't chuck the losers to a country where they will cut your tounge out and stuff it in your shirt pocket for speaking your mind or, if we wanted to be merciful, a country that mandates military service to obtain the right to vote.
And then add number 7 - Developer runs integrity checker of choice and notices that his machine just isn't looking right.
And number 8 - Developer has multiple machines on varying architechtures. Are you sure you got the box she commits from before she realizes she's been hacked?
Number 9 - Commit machine archives pertinent logs to log server via serial connection and/or physical media (e.g. dot-matrix printer.) Developer actually looks at them.
Number 10 - Procedure violation flags other developers about suspect patch. OK, I admit at this point the cow is out of the barn. But we know it and we can make sure no other cows get out of the barn. If Debian has good procedures and the community follows them it will significantly mitigate any damage.
It's possible that the developer would keep track of his commits and know he most certainly didn't submit that patch at 02:00 while he was out drinking.
The sysadmin keeps noticing that silly log saying Developer X who only has rights to commit to the X11 stuff keeps trying to commit a kernel patch.
The 70 year old neighbor who has nothing better to do than watch the neighborhood dials 911 when somebody starts poking around the developers house.
"Attacker, meet Fluffy my faithful, full-grown mastiff. Fluffy, eat attacker."
Security system
The fact that we're talking Debian here and not RH or SuSE. The amount of risk and resources it would take to Mission Impossible this poor guy's house, wait until we know we have his key in our logger and then M.I. his house again isn't worth the investment.
Now what's that they say about chains and the weakest link?
That you need to do a little more research before you can write that piece of fiction and become the next Tom Clancy.
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The big question is would the patent office or the courts consider this applicable prior art. Don't know, IANAL.
Also be a great example to the EU of what not to allow.
Thanks for the link btw.
Novell said "Don't you dare terminate IBM's license for AIX." and I haven't seen SCO put out anything saying they complied. Novell claims copyright to IP SCO requires to start suing end users (at least in their opinion.) and, in the press, SCO has basically accused Novell of a fraudulent filing. Both sides keep refering to one part of their contracts or another to "prove" they're right.
Both Novell and SCO keep drawing lines in the sand. Question is which one will file first?
I want to see what Novell's offering before I say who wins.
On a more serious note, I could see such technology being of use translating languages. Imagine being in Kyoto and having your eyewear being able to highlight where the bathroom was or being able to take a screenshot of the airport name so you don't forget. I'm not saying it would do anything complex but even simple survival translations would be cool.
Hell, it might even take the risk out of using the toilets.
I'm not holding my breath or rushing to dump linux based on that hypothetical.
No, I don't see SCO getting much in retroactive damages and imnsho that isn't their plan. Actually fixing the problem kills their ability to license linux in the future. Byebye to the revenue stream they're betting the business on.
I'm simply not interested in KDE. Not even a little. I've got plenty of other things to do with my time and I have no inclination of dealing with another DE. Gnome is fine and with companies like Sun and Novell picking up the banner I think it'll be around and improving for quite some time. And personally I think the competition and exploring different approaches to doing things is a good thing. If they steal and rip-off every good idea they can find and make it work then more power to everyone.
It's not that I think KDE developers haven't done great work. But honestly, the only thing I really care about is that I can take someone's KWord document and open it in OO or AbiWord and have them do the same with my stuff. Who has best widget X doesn't mean that much to me.
Thank you for going completely off-topic and missing the point.
That doesn't include the fact that these jerks alter the from field so it looks like one of your own employees just sent a penis enlargement spam to the whole company and now I have to waste time investigating the headers and sending an email to the abuse addy which reduces my productivity and then legal has to determine if we want to do anything with it so there's more money down the drain. That doesn't include the time wasted by the other employees who have to deal with the stuff that gets past the filter.
And what can I get out of the spammer when my filter makes a false positive?
Because he just became Congress' posterboy for how effective CAN-SPAM is. "Look at me. I did all these deceptive things but now that Congress passed this law I'm going on the straight and narrow."
Maybe you can try an experiment and steal some electricity. By your way of thinking it doesn't exist in physical form either so you should be just fine.
Why? Stock went from nearly being delisted to >$15/share. They're being told their jobs are at risk because a bunch of free loading wankers have walked off with the company's property. A viewpoint reinforced by the business press and recent investments by Baystar and RBC.
What? You really expect every SCO employee to come home after work and start poring over Groklaw for the night and spending hours brushing up on copyright and contract law? Look at the recent Lyon's article in Forbes. Who you going to believe? A 54 year old grandma who posts over a thousand messages on a yahoo financial message board - and obviously doesn't understand a thing about investing btw - or a respected journalist who just debunked the fanatics and says SCO is the David vs the IBM Goliath. Hell, I'm putting the magazine down and playing with my kids. (Sorry br3n. Just playing Devil's Advocate here.)
It is extremely premature to state that any ethical employee would have bailed by this point in time. Look at it from their viewpoint. All litigation is still in discovery, no ruling on the motion to dismiss in the RH case, there is still hope that the company will find a good canidate to begin the ball rolling on SCOSource licensing. The lawsuits will take years to complete and it doesn't look like any jobs are going away soon. Explain to me how, from their perspective, that it would be obvious that something is seriously wrong.
Stuff that matters. Now I know why the DHS raised the threat level to Orange.
Tangental? Yes but definately funny if the moderators had been using linux for longer than a week. :p
UberGeeks have the common sense to do both and utter poseurs among us like to make comments about how using the system to make sure you get fed during a rough patch is selling out.
Then he can become a priest... Oh wait. Nevermind.
Oh you are right. Things aren't black and white but if you're going to postualte that getting Saddam out during the first Gulf War was Bush's fault you are just wrong. Those people died because the World pussied out on them. Unlike what can be argued this time around, the first Gulf War did have a coalition behind it and it fell apart once it became clear that finishing Saddam wouldn't be antispetic and pretty.
Oh, so you would like it if SCO was given an out to appeal then?
Certainly would spice up the diagrams if done properly.
20-1 says Bush gets re-elected. I don't think anyone can outspend him and this administration's fuck-ups over the Iraq war have been totally glossed over and buried. I won't vote for him but I still think we're going to be stuck with Junior for 4 more years.
Voting is a right that most people here in the US won't invest responsibility on. Pity we can't chuck the losers to a country where they will cut your tounge out and stuff it in your shirt pocket for speaking your mind or, if we wanted to be merciful, a country that mandates military service to obtain the right to vote.
And then add number 7 - Developer runs integrity checker of choice and notices that his machine just isn't looking right.
And number 8 - Developer has multiple machines on varying architechtures. Are you sure you got the box she commits from before she realizes she's been hacked?
Number 9 - Commit machine archives pertinent logs to log server via serial connection and/or physical media (e.g. dot-matrix printer.) Developer actually looks at them.
Number 10 - Procedure violation flags other developers about suspect patch. OK, I admit at this point the cow is out of the barn. But we know it and we can make sure no other cows get out of the barn. If Debian has good procedures and the community follows them it will significantly mitigate any damage.
Again, sorry I misread your post.
Now what's that they say about chains and the weakest link?
That you need to do a little more research before you can write that piece of fiction and become the next Tom Clancy.