You're reading it like he was talking about one group of people. He was referring to several problems/crimes performed by many different groups. Bank insiders put the PIN hack in, common street criminals shoulder surfed etc.
I mean seriously you Linux people are making us Mac guys look good in the fact you will plainly look over the fact it takes a lot of damn work to make it run right and 99% of computer users out there want the computer to just run.
If 99% of the users are trying to use batshit crazy hardware then yes it could be a problem. But if you level the playing field in your comparison and use decent hardware then your claim fails to hold up.
I've a much better out of the box experiance using Suse than I have Windows XP (for example) on a wide variaty of machines. It *does* "just work" out of the box (and a much cheaper box than your Mac).
So given that you haven't donated directly to any of the developers we can assume you're like many open source users who are simply around to consume the hard work of others without giving anything back.
There's a huge laundry list of things I like about Myth that can best be summed up as "it's open".
Things I like: I can (and have) easily make changes. I can (and have) easily add new machines into my network to provide recordings or playback. I can leverage as many tuners as I can stick in a machine. I can store my CD/DVDs and all their metadata in open formats free from DRM. I can make a DVD of a recording without rencoding it and play it in a normal DVD player. I can throw several xvid encoded programs on a DVD and take them to a friends house.
You're falling into a common trap. Myth and Tivo are in the same product catagory. What Tivo does is only a small subset of what a MythTV machine does.
By the way, you can use MythTV with DirecTV. It's what I do at home. PVR250 capturing DirecTV via svideo and a serial cable to control it. HTDV3k connected to an antenna. LxMSuite has listings for both my DirectTV channels as well as my OTA HDTV.
By the way, representatives from this company have been on the myth list discouraging people interested in finding alternative ways of getting guide data.
Really? Funny, the only discouraging I've seen has been MYTH DEVELOPERS trying to explain to people why their hairbrained ideas to do away with DataDirect will not work from a technical standpoint.
The company doing this is probably not paying a lot to license the guide data, and this little scam will net them a small profit, I'm sure.
Gee wear a tinfoil hat much? Or are you just an AC troll?
That programming guide information is sent over both cable and terrestrial broadcast systems.
If you pay for what is already being sent into your house for free, what does that say about you?
That guide information you speak of doesn't even come close to providing enough info to reliable schedule recordings let alone provide all of the other usefull information for bells and whistles like new eiposde only recording, or looking up shows to watch by genre etc.
Oh and even if the crappy data was enough for you, it's not available for huge segments of the US.
Which is pretty much why I use MythTV. Oh and the fact that I can do what I want with my media, and I can watch HDTV using a Celeron 2.5ghz instead of a P4 3ghz with HT, and I don't have to pay $1200 for a Myth machine the list goes on and on...
That said, I think it's really cool that MythTV will be getting a more fully featured program guide.
Yeah I'd say you're astroturfing. Myth has had the exact same data data as MCE for free for quite some time now.
So they have to rely on GNU/Linux nerds for income. This is a big problem. GNU/Linux nerds are notoriously cheap. And they hate subscriptions. Failure is immenent, I'm afraid. You're assuming of course that what you see at the start of a pilot project is all there is, or even that you know the whole picture.
I see this as a branch/fork. Based on the announcement, I'm not certain why everyone's waving flags and saying that Zap2It labs is going away.
Where in the heck did you get "fork" out of anything in tha annoucement? In that announcement he was referring to support for the LxMSuite DataDirect offering being added to the core Myth code...
f one of the major developers says that they're not involved in it much and: "If it's busted, blame him (Jarod Wilson), not me. =)",
Isaac isn't all that involved due to his contractual obligations to nVidia and his wanting to keep Myth a hobby. He's 100% completely in the loop on the Technovera business model and plans. As for the "blaim Jarrod" reference he was referring to the fact that Jarrod is not putting out the point releases not him.
Gotta disagree. Myth is nice but is still FAR lacking in many ways - UI and ease of development in particular (speaking from some experience).
I'm sorry did I miss the part where Microsoft and Tivo opended up their source and made it easy for anyone to come on in. Myth is fairly easy to start writing code for, I started sending usefull patches within a month of using it.
The UI alone is a mess; examples: menus for eg setup descend and descend with zero context; similar settings stored all over the palce (see commercial flagging and transcoding); recordings organized by show but then loop endlessly; general ugliness (skins can only do so much). I have no idea what menus for the EG referrs to, but you're right the settings section is pretty bad. Good thing it's been slated for a rewrite before.19 come out (which Technovera the parent compnay of LxMSuite will be paying for). The looping shows of the left in the playback screen were to prevent you from having to scroll all the way back up to the top when you reache the bottom, it's a usability thing. And as for general uglinesss, pretty much every theme for Myth has been done by programmers. There's not a lot the theme system can't do when a real artist works with it.
Fix it yourself? See my second gripe.
I like Myth, but it has many warts, and missing program guide data is not one of them. ymmv.
And right there you make the case for LxMSuite. Can't fix it yourself, or don't want to? Then join LxMSuite, let your voice be heard and you dollars directed on fixing things you care about.
All the program guide/movie data/theme stuff is only there to provide some sense of value for the sponsorship effort.
The two major HDTV cards for Linux both have drivers that are shipped with the kernel. How exactly is this hard? It's easier to set up HD than it is something like a PVR250.
If you have a BC-free tuner card, treasure it. They ain't making no more, ever again.
Gee better tell that to the makers of the air2pc cards. They're releasing a new model in the very near future and it's not flag compliant.
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My Tivo made more noise than my Myth frontenend does.
unable to record more than one digital channel at once, and you'll still need a cable/satellite receiver to record digital at all
If you use DirecTV with HD then yes the Tivo wins. But you know, there's this big thing out there called the world and DirecTivo is only available in one tiny part of that.
Spoken like someone who's never used the MythTV interface.
limited epg (electronic program guide)
And here's where we realize you realy don't have a clue what you're talking about. Myth gets it's data from the same source as Tivo. Their EPG provides more information than Tivo's does to the user. Then combine that with the fact that Tivo isn't available in many countries an thus has NO EPG....
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Reliably?
My uptime of 29 days speaks volumes to the reliability.
"No, you should not see the cursor, that would be too easy to use"
That would be because the mouse doesn't work in Myth. Unlike many so called HTPC apps Myth was designed to work with a remote not a mouse.
This whole incident is why software should be 100% free.
Comments like this baffle me. Why is it software should be free? Are all programmers supposed to just donate all their time for the greater good? It's all well and good to advocate giving stuff away when you don't make your living writing it.
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You're reading it like he was talking about one group of people. He was referring to several problems/crimes performed by many different groups. Bank insiders put the PIN hack in, common street criminals shoulder surfed etc.
Wow with all that misinformation one might suspect you work for Sage TV.
Ahhh yes, and computers are so big nobody will ever have on in their home.
Why do you pay your cable company every month just to use your TV?
Bandwidth, servers and new content all cost money.
What color is the sky on your planet? Down here on Earth developers don't waste precious cycles fixing a non-issue bug.
Let's see...
1. Visit google.
2. Type in "Qt 3.4 documentation"
3. Hit submit
4. Find and click on the link
OR
1. Click on the bookmark.
Yeah NOT using bookmarks is so efficient.
Because you can't kill someone when you fail to operate your home computer properly.
Do you often have strangers in your home mucking with your Tivo for extended periods of time?
If 99% of the users are trying to use batshit crazy hardware then yes it could be a problem. But if you level the playing field in your comparison and use decent hardware then your claim fails to hold up.
I've a much better out of the box experiance using Suse than I have Windows XP (for example) on a wide variaty of machines. It *does* "just work" out of the box (and a much cheaper box than your Mac).
So given that you haven't donated directly to any of the developers we can assume you're like many open source users who are simply around to consume the hard work of others without giving anything back.
There's a huge laundry list of things I like about Myth that can best be summed up as "it's open".
Things I like:
I can (and have) easily make changes.
I can (and have) easily add new machines into my network to provide recordings or playback.
I can leverage as many tuners as I can stick in a machine.
I can store my CD/DVDs and all their metadata in open formats free from DRM.
I can make a DVD of a recording without rencoding it and play it in a normal DVD player.
I can throw several xvid encoded programs on a DVD and take them to a friends house.
You're falling into a common trap. Myth and Tivo are in the same product catagory. What Tivo does is only a small subset of what a MythTV machine does.
By the way, you can use MythTV with DirecTV. It's what I do at home. PVR250 capturing DirecTV via svideo and a serial cable to control it. HTDV3k connected to an antenna. LxMSuite has listings for both my DirectTV channels as well as my OTA HDTV.
Really? Funny, the only discouraging I've seen has been MYTH DEVELOPERS trying to explain to people why their hairbrained ideas to do away with DataDirect will not work from a technical standpoint.
The company doing this is probably not paying a lot to license the guide data, and this little scam will net them a small profit, I'm sure.
Gee wear a tinfoil hat much? Or are you just an AC troll?
It could also be read as "we can only offer service to the USA and EU."...
If you pay for what is already being sent into your house for free, what does that say about you?
That guide information you speak of doesn't even come close to providing enough info to reliable schedule recordings let alone provide all of the other usefull information for bells and whistles like new eiposde only recording, or looking up shows to watch by genre etc.
Oh and even if the crappy data was enough for you, it's not available for huge segments of the US.
Which is pretty much why I use MythTV. Oh and the fact that I can do what I want with my media, and I can watch HDTV using a Celeron 2.5ghz instead of a P4 3ghz with HT, and I don't have to pay $1200 for a Myth machine the list goes on and on...
That said, I think it's really cool that MythTV will be getting a more fully featured program guide.
Yeah I'd say you're astroturfing. Myth has had the exact same data data as MCE for free for quite some time now.
yahoo 5 x 12 = 60 = media content
guide 60 == 60 = csv file with words in it
Spoken like someone who hasn't RTFA.
So they have to rely on GNU/Linux nerds for income. This is a big problem. GNU/Linux nerds are notoriously cheap. And they hate subscriptions. Failure is immenent, I'm afraid.
You're assuming of course that what you see at the start of a pilot project is all there is, or even that you know the whole picture.
Where in the heck did you get "fork" out of anything in tha annoucement? In that announcement he was referring to support for the LxMSuite DataDirect offering being added to the core Myth code...
f one of the major developers says that they're not involved in it much and: "If it's busted, blame him (Jarod Wilson), not me. =)",
Isaac isn't all that involved due to his contractual obligations to nVidia and his wanting to keep Myth a hobby. He's 100% completely in the loop on the Technovera business model and plans. As for the "blaim Jarrod" reference he was referring to the fact that Jarrod is not putting out the point releases not him.
I'm sorry did I miss the part where Microsoft and Tivo opended up their source and made it easy for anyone to come on in. Myth is fairly easy to start writing code for, I started sending usefull patches within a month of using it.
The UI alone is a mess; examples: menus for eg setup descend and descend with zero context; similar settings stored all over the palce (see commercial flagging and transcoding); recordings organized by show but then loop endlessly; general ugliness (skins can only do so much). .19 come out (which Technovera the parent compnay of LxMSuite will be paying for). The looping shows of the left in the playback screen were to prevent you from having to scroll all the way back up to the top when you reache the bottom, it's a usability thing. And as for general uglinesss, pretty much every theme for Myth has been done by programmers. There's not a lot the theme system can't do when a real artist works with it.
I have no idea what menus for the EG referrs to, but you're right the settings section is pretty bad. Good thing it's been slated for a rewrite before
Fix it yourself? See my second gripe.
I like Myth, but it has many warts, and missing program guide data is not one of them. ymmv.
And right there you make the case for LxMSuite. Can't fix it yourself, or don't want to? Then join LxMSuite, let your voice be heard and you dollars directed on fixing things you care about.
All the program guide/movie data/theme stuff is only there to provide some sense of value for the sponsorship effort.
The two major HDTV cards for Linux both have drivers that are shipped with the kernel. How exactly is this hard? It's easier to set up HD than it is something like a PVR250.
Gee better tell that to the makers of the air2pc cards. They're releasing a new model in the very near future and it's not flag compliant.
My Tivo made more noise than my Myth frontenend does.
unable to record more than one digital channel at once, and you'll still need a cable/satellite receiver to record digital at all
If you use DirecTV with HD then yes the Tivo wins. But you know, there's this big thing out there called the world and DirecTivo is only available in one tiny part of that.
terrible form factor
I assume you're referring to the case? If so I'd have to disagree.
clunky user interface
Spoken like someone who's never used the MythTV interface.
limited epg (electronic program guide)
And here's where we realize you realy don't have a clue what you're talking about. Myth gets it's data from the same source as Tivo. Their EPG provides more information than Tivo's does to the user. Then combine that with the fact that Tivo isn't available in many countries an thus has NO EPG....
My uptime of 29 days speaks volumes to the reliability.
"No, you should not see the cursor, that would be too easy to use"
That would be because the mouse doesn't work in Myth. Unlike many so called HTPC apps Myth was designed to work with a remote not a mouse.
This whole incident is why software should be 100% free.
Comments like this baffle me. Why is it software should be free? Are all programmers supposed to just donate all their time for the greater good? It's all well and good to advocate giving stuff away when you don't make your living writing it.