Oh is it really!? You may think you know,
and I may very well not care that you think you know.
The fact is that the swastika is an ancient symbol for eternity
which is displayed on many old buildings here in Denmark.
Also when DSNP (Danish Nazi Party == 50 retarded morons)
holds their legal demonstrations they all carry swastikas.
"Ohh and let's talk about Americans freedom to walk into a store buy a gun and shot the head of the owner. Would you like to discuss that freedom?:)"
"Just as much freedom as walking into some store in Denmark, buying a
knife and slashing owner's throat."
Not even the same ball game...
I think that this discussion has gone out of line.
The point of this thread was that in Denmark (and other European contries) I have the rights to fair use, but in the US this right has been removed by big cooperations.
My parents, grandparents, famelie, etc won't because they already run win98 and are happy with it. Also they don't have the faintest clue what WinXP even exists.
They will run WinXP instead of Win98 for the exact same reason people are running Win98 instead of Win95 (they may stop at, or skip Millenium first).
The real change is when every computer sold comes with WinXP preinstalled... you won't say in 2003 "no, I don't want WinXP, just install me Win98, even some drivers for some of the hardware are missing".
Ofcource they'll get WinXP with their new computer, I don't kid myself to belive that the M$ hardware tax will disappear over night.
I'm talking about people actually walking in to a store an taking a copy of WinXP from the shelves.
That I don't think many people will do that, at least not the kind of people that I know.
What you call "American Attitude" is not specific to US and can be found in just about ever European country.
Do you actually enjoy when outsiders attack your country for trying to follow its laws?
Well I would if the law (as in this case) is completely INSANE!
I mean, hell these might be unfortunate laws but calling Americans bullies for trying to enforce their laws is a bit too much.
Your right, it's not Americans that are the bullies, but the American Government.
It is not like US secret service went out and snatched that guy from his own house in Russia...
Still according to his native laws (and general common sense) he's done NOTHING wrong, and I believe that was the point of this thread.
Anyway, the US is still of my wishlist of places I'd like to work/live. I think I'll stay right here in Denmark, "Home of the free, Land of the fairly reasonable":)
Sorry, but there are more people in the world than the 6 that you know.
Nice shot!:)
If there was any justice in the world, nobody would buy XP and it would be a horrible flop. Unfortunately, that's not likely.
I don't expect it to flop, I just expect it to have a very slow acceptance rate.
We now live in a world where computer manufacturers are gutless cowards who kiss Microsoft's ass and consumers are mindless sheep, too lazy and stupid to try something other than Windows.
I have no doubt that fairly shortly all new PC will ship with WinXP, but I'm not talking about the M$ tax, I'm talking about how many people who will actually walk in to a store and buy WinXP?
How many of your friends, familie, etc... would you expect to do just that?
Correct! Soon, they will be selling XP for $200-300 a pop. Hahahaha, those lamers, making a measly couple of billion on OS licensing!!!!!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLLOOOL
Just curries, how many people do you know that will actually buy WinXP?
I don't know any.
My parents, grandparents, famelie, etc won't because they already run win98 and are happy with it. Also they don't have the faintest clue what WinXP even exists.
My 1337 WinDows Hax0r3r friends won't because they are happy running win2000 Pro 1337 HackMee Server Edition. They may however install a 1337 pirated version of WinXP.
And last but not least my, *nix friends won't, and guess why:)
It's used to cache data from DVD's, to rip WMA audio from CDs, to store saved games, and to store persistent data such as updates for MMORPGs. Anything sensitive will be encrypted and thoroughly buffer checked under pain of submission failure! Microsoft realises that the HD can be tampered with.
Ok that makes alot more sense.
As for your business venture, I'm not sure the economics will go your way on that one. I can think of easier ways of making money...
Yes, but it would be very very funny way to make money:)
And given that there aren't an awful lot of games for Linux, it's quite possible that your customers would buy the odd Xbox game, hence MS would not be out of pocket after all.
You are forgetting at very importent detail.
I would inplement a switch so that you can change instantly from Gaming mode to Linux Desktop mode.
Linux on the Xbox would be a neat hack, but I can't see it catching on...
You are probably right, but that doesn't stop me from hoping:)
"Why won't it run anything from the HD?"
"To stop you from booting Linux on it... etc... Anyway why should it?"
Well how does the Xbox itself use the HD?
It's not impossible, just hard, and it's a hardware modification so not everyone will be doing it. Yes, no doubt some beardy hacker will unsolder their ROM, solder a new one in, and run Linux on his Xbox. We will all go ooh and aah and get on with our business. It's not as if everyone is suddenly going to be making beowulf clusters of Linux Xboxen.
I never claimed that it could be done without hardware hacking:) and I agree that we probably won't see any Xbox beowulf clusters, but that wouldn't be so hot anyway.
What would be very sweet though is if one could hack the firmware to incoperate a switch on the Xbox allowing people to switch between booting games from the DVD and booting Linux from the HD.
I then buy 1000 Xboxes modify them and sell them for a small profit as a combined Gaming/Desktop system. I make money selling Xboxes and MS looses money:)
It's not W2K, it's a stripped down kernel, and it's on the DVD.
The kernel's on every Game DVD-ROM???
Thats rather silly isn't it.
The encryption is in the boot rom... It won't run anything from DVD that isn't digitally signed and encrypted, and it definitely won't run anything from the HD.
Why won't it run anything from the HD?
To run Linux on it you would have to either crack the encryption (good luck) or rewrite the Xbox's firmware (and solder in a new ROM, again, good luck).
Do you see the problem now?
Yes I see your point. Now my best bet would be to change the firmware in order to make it boot from the HD, but you say this is impossible, why?
>Goood luck. There isn't anything to wipe, and the
>encryption is most likely not accessible to anything you can load from disc.
If there's nothing to whipe where does
win2000 reside?
encryptin not accesseble?
I don't wan't to access the encryption why should I have to?
The way i see it you have a x86 chip with access to a harddrive and a DVD drive. Are you saying then that it decrypts all data comming from the harddrive and DVD before it's handed to the processor?
>>"Are you saying that the Xbox doesn't use
>>AGP/PCI/IDE? If not how does it handle IO between
>>the GPU/Memory/Harddrive/Controllers?"
>Magic. It's all done by magic nowadays. Pffft. Anyway good luck
>on getting Linux running on the XBox, though I
>would recommend chasing women instead and actually
>making something of your life instead of hiding
>from the light in your parent's den.
Do you think for a moment that I would be wasting my time on slashdot if I were able to communicate with girls?!?!? {:^)
Oh and the light in my parent's den is actually very bright...
>No, for the nth time, and n is getting large, the
>Xbox is not a PC. It has a Pentium III
>processor. It has a custom nVidia GPU. You can
>get Mac G4's with GeForce3's, they're not
>specifically PC hardware.
Are you saying that the Xbox doesn't use AGP/PCI/IDE? If not how does it handle IO between
the GPU/Memory/Harddrive/Controllers?
It _IS_ a x86 platform and if win2000 can be
modified to run on that platform, so can Linux and *BSD.
>Xbox executables will be encrypted (well) so
>good luck trying to run your own stuff!
I'd be pretty amazed if that encryption is hardware based as opposed to implemented in win2000.
What I'm talking about is wiping the Xbox completely and loading it up with a (probably somewhat modified) version of *NIX. when you do this you remove any form of "encryption" that MS has put in there to annoy you.
I fully believe that it will be possible to run Linux on the Xbox, but I didn't say it was going to be easy.
By the way, the idea I had about the Nvidia Linux driver was listed as an "utopian dream".
The Xbox is a PC in a fancy cover and it will most
certainly be hacked so that other OS's can be installed. Wether this is going to require hardware hacking, I don't know, but it _WILL_ be hacked:)
Now Here comes an utopian dream of mine:)
Since the Xbox is more or less running a
GeForce 3.5 (or whatever) and Nvidias Linux Drivers are very PnP, what are the chances that they will simply detect the Xbox GPU as a Geforce 3 or 4?
Think about it! You buy some very nice hardware from M$, who actually looses money by selling it to you. You then proceed to installing Linux and the Nvidia Linux drivers, and you have a KICKASS Linux Gaming Machine that M$ helped finance:)
>1) Microsoft should be forced to bundle Word and Excel with every desktop copy of Windows.
I see your point, but by doing this your are handing them a 99% monopoly over office tools.
I mean why would any "normal" user download StarOffice when they already got MS-Office?
Ofcource MS won't make nearly as much money.
Don't they already make more money from Office then from Windows?
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>It was *sarcasm*
Well sorry about that:)
I just figured that you were a troll.
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> "never crashed"? Screw you! I had crashes many times a day,
Then I would say that your hardware is fucked!
The only software crashes I have EVER had in linux is with the Nvidia kernel modules.
>and not once did Linux detect that my fan had come loose.
Well to this I would say that you are a moron!
Would you expect it to detect when you pour coffee into your keyboard as well?
>But if it ever happened - I'd have me an MS free game machine built very quickly:-) (And no, a
>Linux box doesn't count as an MS free game machine - most of the games I want to play don't
>have Linux versions:-/ )
Then why not just implement the AtheOS GUI and DirectX/D3D in Linux?
Now that would be sweet:) (And probably very difficult?)
> Amen, Brother.
>
> Linux is quite the maelstrom. I cannot fathom
> why anyone would use Linux on production boxes
> when other, more stable and reliable OSes are
> available.
And what are those OSes? FreeBSD, Solaris, s/390?
And in what situations are they more stable?
As a firewall/fileserver/desktop?
I've been using Linux for Prodution boxes and for my personal use for about 3 years in so many ways.
And this far the only kernel crashes I've had is with the AgpGart and NVdriver kernel modules.
I'm not saying that *BSD and other OSes aren't more stable in some situations.
I'm just saying that you made a pointless generalitation!
At the company where I work
(DTV) we're planing to upgrade our desktops within 6 month and the current plan is to install all supported apps on citrix servers and then let people install what ever else they need.
Where my prefered solution would be to install SunRays on all desktops where people don't need special apps and the let the people who do have a Linux PC for them (or me more likely:) to play with.
If some people REALLY need win32 apps that have no Linux counterpart we'll have to play around with Wine/WMvare/Win4Lin/Citrix/etc...
But it all depends on how the Gnome/OpenOffice situation looks in 6 month
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No No No! You'we got it all wrong! ;)
It's the Danish government that's the greatest in the world!
They won't.
"You have Denmark confused with Germany. "
:)"
"It is pretty much all over Europe."
Oh is it really!? You may think you know,
and I may very well not care that you think you know.
The fact is that the swastika is an ancient symbol for eternity
which is displayed on many old buildings here in Denmark.
Also when DSNP (Danish Nazi Party == 50 retarded morons)
holds their legal demonstrations they all carry swastikas.
"Ohh and let's talk about Americans freedom to walk into a store buy a gun and shot the head of the owner. Would you like to discuss that freedom?
"Just as much freedom as walking into some store in Denmark, buying a
knife and slashing owner's throat."
Not even the same ball game...
I think that this discussion has gone out of line.
The point of this thread was that in Denmark (and other European contries) I have the rights to fair use, but in the US this right has been removed by big cooperations.
You have Denmark confused with Germany. In Germany anything related to the Nazi's is strictly forbidden (I wonder why? :)
Ohh and let's talk about Americans freedom to walk into a store buy a gun and shot the head of the owner. Would you like to discuss that freedom? :)
So true! :)
Ofcource they'll get WinXP with their new computer, I don't kid myself to belive that the M$ hardware tax will disappear over night.
I'm talking about people actually walking in to a store an taking a copy of WinXP from the shelves. That I don't think many people will do that, at least not the kind of people that I know.
Well I would if the law (as in this case) is completely INSANE!
I mean, hell these might be unfortunate laws but calling Americans bullies for trying to enforce their laws is a bit too much.
Your right, it's not Americans that are the bullies, but the American Government.
It is not like US secret service went out and snatched that guy from his own house in Russia...
Still according to his native laws (and general common sense) he's done NOTHING wrong, and I believe that was the point of this thread.
Anyway, the US is still of my wishlist of places I'd like to work/live. I think I'll stay right here in Denmark, "Home of the free, Land of the fairly reasonable" :)
Nice shot! :)
If there was any justice in the world, nobody would buy XP and it would be a horrible flop. Unfortunately, that's not likely.
I don't expect it to flop, I just expect it to have a very slow acceptance rate.
We now live in a world where computer manufacturers are gutless cowards who kiss Microsoft's ass and consumers are mindless sheep, too lazy and stupid to try something other than Windows.
I have no doubt that fairly shortly all new PC will ship with WinXP, but I'm not talking about the M$ tax, I'm talking about how many people who will actually walk in to a store and buy WinXP?
How many of your friends, familie, etc... would you expect to do just that?
Just curries, how many people do you know that
will actually buy WinXP?
I don't know any.
My parents, grandparents, famelie, etc won't because they already run win98 and are happy with it. Also they don't have the faintest clue what WinXP even exists.
My 1337 WinDows Hax0r3r friends won't because they are happy running win2000 Pro 1337 HackMee Server Edition. They may however install a 1337 pirated version of WinXP.
And last but not least my, *nix friends won't, and guess why :)
Ok that makes alot more sense.
As for your business venture, I'm not sure the economics will go your way on that one. I can think of easier ways of making money...
Yes, but it would be very very funny way to make money :)
And given that there aren't an awful lot of games for Linux, it's quite possible that your customers would buy the odd Xbox game, hence MS would not be out of pocket after all.
You are forgetting at very importent detail. I would inplement a switch so that you can change instantly from Gaming mode to Linux Desktop mode.
Linux on the Xbox would be a neat hack, but I can't see it catching on...
You are probably right, but that doesn't stop me from hoping :)
"To stop you from booting Linux on it... etc... Anyway why should it?"
Well how does the Xbox itself use the HD?
It's not impossible, just hard, and it's a hardware modification so not everyone will be doing it. Yes, no doubt some beardy hacker will unsolder their ROM, solder a new one in, and run Linux on his Xbox. We will all go ooh and aah and get on with our business. It's not as if everyone is suddenly going to be making beowulf clusters of Linux Xboxen.
I never claimed that it could be done without hardware hacking :) and I agree that we probably won't see any Xbox beowulf clusters, but that wouldn't be so hot anyway.
What would be very sweet though is if one could hack the firmware to incoperate a switch on the Xbox allowing people to switch between booting games from the DVD and booting Linux from the HD. I then buy 1000 Xboxes modify them and sell them for a small profit as a combined Gaming/Desktop system. I make money selling Xboxes and MS looses money :)
"No I don't think so. Why do you think that is silly?"
Don't know really, it's just not what I'd expected.
The kernel's on every Game DVD-ROM??? Thats rather silly isn't it.
The encryption is in the boot rom... It won't run anything from DVD that isn't digitally signed and encrypted, and it definitely won't run anything from the HD.
Why won't it run anything from the HD?
To run Linux on it you would have to either crack the encryption (good luck) or rewrite the Xbox's firmware (and solder in a new ROM, again, good luck). Do you see the problem now?
Yes I see your point. Now my best bet would be to change the firmware in order to make it boot from the HD, but you say this is impossible, why?
>Goood luck. There isn't anything to wipe, and the
>encryption is most likely not accessible to anything you can load from disc.
If there's nothing to whipe where does
win2000 reside?
encryptin not accesseble?
I don't wan't to access the encryption why should I have to?
The way i see it you have a x86 chip with access to a harddrive and a DVD drive. Are you saying then that it decrypts all data comming from the harddrive and DVD before it's handed to the processor?
>>"Are you saying that the Xbox doesn't use
>>AGP/PCI/IDE? If not how does it handle IO between
>>the GPU/Memory/Harddrive/Controllers?"
>Magic. It's all done by magic nowadays. Pffft. Anyway good luck
>on getting Linux running on the XBox, though I
>would recommend chasing women instead and actually
>making something of your life instead of hiding
>from the light in your parent's den.
Do you think for a moment that I would be wasting my time on slashdot if I were able to communicate with girls?!?!? {:^)
Oh and the light in my parent's den is actually very bright...
>No, for the nth time, and n is getting large, the
>Xbox is not a PC. It has a Pentium III
>processor. It has a custom nVidia GPU. You can
>get Mac G4's with GeForce3's, they're not
>specifically PC hardware.
Are you saying that the Xbox doesn't use AGP/PCI/IDE? If not how does it handle IO between
the GPU/Memory/Harddrive/Controllers?
It _IS_ a x86 platform and if win2000 can be
modified to run on that platform, so can Linux and *BSD.
>Xbox executables will be encrypted (well) so
>good luck trying to run your own stuff!
I'd be pretty amazed if that encryption is hardware based as opposed to implemented in win2000.
What I'm talking about is wiping the Xbox completely and loading it up with a (probably somewhat modified) version of *NIX. when you do this you remove any form of "encryption" that MS has put in there to annoy you.
I fully believe that it will be possible to run Linux on the Xbox, but I didn't say it was going to be easy.
By the way, the idea I had about the Nvidia Linux driver was listed as an "utopian dream".
The Xbox is a PC in a fancy cover and it will most :)
:)
:)
certainly be hacked so that other OS's can be installed. Wether this is going to require hardware hacking, I don't know, but it _WILL_ be hacked
Now Here comes an utopian dream of mine
Since the Xbox is more or less running a
GeForce 3.5 (or whatever) and Nvidias Linux Drivers are very PnP, what are the chances that they will simply detect the Xbox GPU as a Geforce 3 or 4?
Think about it! You buy some very nice hardware from M$, who actually looses money by selling it to you. You then proceed to installing Linux and the Nvidia Linux drivers, and you have a KICKASS Linux Gaming Machine that M$ helped finance
>1) Microsoft should be forced to bundle Word and Excel with every desktop copy of Windows.
I see your point, but by doing this your are handing them a 99% monopoly over office tools.
I mean why would any "normal" user download StarOffice when they already got MS-Office?
Ofcource MS won't make nearly as much money.
Don't they already make more money from Office then from Windows?
>It was *sarcasm*
:)
Well sorry about that
I just figured that you were a troll.
> "never crashed"? Screw you! I had crashes many times a day,
Then I would say that your hardware is fucked!
The only software crashes I have EVER had in linux is with the Nvidia kernel modules.
>and not once did Linux detect that my fan had come loose.
Well to this I would say that you are a moron!
Would you expect it to detect when you pour coffee into your keyboard as well?
>But if it ever happened - I'd have me an MS free game machine built very quickly :-) (And no, a
:-/ )
:) (And probably very difficult?)
>Linux box doesn't count as an MS free game machine - most of the games I want to play don't
>have Linux versions
Then why not just implement the AtheOS GUI and DirectX/D3D in Linux?
Now that would be sweet
Die X die!
> Amen, Brother.
>
> Linux is quite the maelstrom. I cannot fathom
> why anyone would use Linux on production boxes
> when other, more stable and reliable OSes are
> available.
And what are those OSes? FreeBSD, Solaris, s/390?
And in what situations are they more stable?
As a firewall/fileserver/desktop?
I've been using Linux for Prodution boxes and for my personal use for about 3 years in so many ways.
And this far the only kernel crashes I've had is with the AgpGart and NVdriver kernel modules.
I'm not saying that *BSD and other OSes aren't more stable in some situations.
I'm just saying that you made a pointless generalitation!
Bør bør bør, din mama er af smør...
What's the big hype over KDE?
What's the big hype over (The GUI that you like to hate)?
People use what they like, end of story.
and the current plan is to install all supported apps on citrix servers and then let people install
what ever else they need.
Where my prefered solution would be to install SunRays on all desktops :) to play with.
where people don't need special apps and the let the people who do
have a Linux PC for them (or me more likely
If some people REALLY need win32 apps that have no Linux counterpart
we'll have to play around with Wine/WMvare/Win4Lin/Citrix/etc...
But it all depends on how the Gnome/OpenOffice situation looks in 6 month