If I follow the logic of your post it would mean that here in Europe where we are also in the middle of a hefty IT recession, we should not allow any Americans, no matter how qualified, to work here?
That is simplistic and attitudes like that won't get you your job back.
They aren't on Apple's page or anywhere else that I can find. Given that Apple rumour sites live off stuff like this, isn't this just another wild rumour?
As Villanueva Nuñez says: The Bill in no way restricts Microsoft from selling anything to anyone. It simply lays rules as to what is acceptable for the Peruvian state.
Villanueva Nuñez writes about MS' EULA:"As you know perfectly well, or could find out by reading the "End User License Agreement" of the products you license, in the great majority of cases the guarantees are limited to replacement of the storage medium in case of defects, but in no case is compensation given for direct or indirect damages, loss of profits, etc... If as a result of a security bug in one of your products, not fixed in time by yourselves, an attacker managed to compromise crucial State systems, what guarantees, reparations and compensation would your company make in accordance with your licencing conditions? The guarantees of proprietary software, inasmuch as programs are delivered ``AS IS'', that is, in the state in which they are, with no additional responsibility of the provider in respect of function, in no way differ from those normal with free software. "
Ahmen! It's called accountability. I don't have anything aginst MS' software, but I have a lot against their EULAs.
Being unemployed as I am and quite poor, if they offered me some of that money I would sing and dance the company tune and attack open source with all my might (whilst secrectly hiding a Linux box at home in the cellar). I mean this is what poverty does to one, right? And that is Microsoft does to poor people, right?
On the serious side, I suppose that reading something like this depresses me, because it seems that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, although I suppose a string of bad luck and or court cases could quickly deplete much of those cash reserves. But I don't think anyone seriously expects that ever to happen. The only thing I wonder about is in a theoretical model when Microsoft has bought everyone out and has absolutely no more competition (having successfully lobbied, bribed etc politicians into outlawing open source), How do they continue to grow?
Even if they were successful with all their initiatives (Passport,.Net, Subscription model) sonner or later they would max out and growth would flatten or drop to near to zero. What would they do then? Would they then lobby politicians to start a Microsoft tax or make it a criminal offense not to have a PC in every house running Microsoft Windows XXXXX?
This isn't meant as flamebait but as a question, given that the subscription model is probably a means to generate revenue and is not a real necessity.
Where's the compiler? Where's the API's. Apart from the mono project(and look how far they've gotten), who has even attempted to write a runtime for this? How useful is C# (even if you have the runtime and the compiler) if you have no classes and API's? I don't remember MS opening up any of the.Net API's without which (at the moment in any case) C# is about as useful as intercal.
Reading stuff like this, although it is not placed in context (as others mention here), is startling. It does make me frightened in any case. A good starting point for the spread of biological and chemical weapons in the world, and perhaps more importantly who supports whom, is the federation of American Scientists website.
I'm a South African and was shocked to read about the support given by almost all Western Governments to the Dr.Mengele of the Apartheid Government, Dr.Wouter Basson, a.k.a. Dr.Death, in that regime's attempts to create bio weapons which would only affect black people. (Although why they had this strange idea that blacks are some other species I don't know). In any case, although probably many people don't remember it, in the mid 80's an East German microbiologist claimed that the actual origions of the HIV virus(various newspaper archives) were in fact in a USArmy bioweapons lab in either Virginia or Maryland (Ft.Derrick? I don't remember the name). He was laughed off at the time. I also, in terms of normal common sense found it somewhat implausiable. But the problem is, who do you believe, and who do you trust?
I was somewhat amazed at the many coincidents (reminiscent of a good episode of the X-Files) in the Anthrax attacks in the US last year. Why Florida? Why the isolated cases of lonely old women? Why liberal or popular politicians? How did the FBI get to the conclusion so rapidly that it was not linked to the 9/11 higjackers and that it was "probably of domestic origion"? Why has nothing ever come out of the investigation?
I don't really like conspiracy theories, as they tend to cloud real events, but who do you believe? And what do you believe? Did anyone in any so-called country ever give their politicians an explicit right to muck around with stuff as dangerous as this?
If you check you'll find that Darwin, the OS in the main subject here is open source, runs on x86 and supports GNOME, X11 etc and is free, similar to Linux. If you have problems with that but still insist on using MS software, bootlegged or legal as I know a lot of third world countries do, then I don't think there's much anyone can do for you. However if you're basing your post on your use of Linux on x86 just reread the first sentence.
Will MS now accusse the peruvians of being unamerican? I don't see what MS could actually do to Peru in any case, since Peru is so poor that the BSA would shout halleluya if they found one actual MS licence in the country.
Having started to use ObjC on OSX, which is obviously supported on Darwin and GNUStep as well, I found it similar in it's ease of use to Java. No one owns ObjC and unlike C# you can compile it with GCC. No one is going to hijack ObjC, but can you say the same about C#.
It's not much of an argument, but it's worth thinking about.
Apple will obviously not open source Quartz or allow copies of it's Aqua GUI. The reasons are obvious and have been discussed often enough. There's nothing wrong with that. They need the money and, at the least provide Darwin as an alternative commercially supported Unix to Linux(IBM, RedHat, SuSE etc). Their attention to their Desktop is important, as this provides a real alternative to MS' enormous monopoly, and perhaps even more importantly the Quartz/Aqua GUI provides (at least for PPC) a standard interface for applications. I'm not a big fan of Aqua but it does provide a standard on the platform. This is one of the reasons, I think, for MS' monopoly on the desktop. Think of it as crap or good, but it does make it easier for an application designer to design a GUI. Same for Apple. The controls all look the same and the API's are standard. Linux needs something like this as well. Both GNOME and KDE are good but their lack of intercompatibility with one another does no service to Linux. Choice is good but perhaps sometimes it also leads to confusion, in this case for instance amongst normal users who have difficulty understanding how to use the right mouse button, never mind understanding whether QT3 or GTK is better.
Perhaps you should look more closely because Adobe makes a Flash editor itself which is compatible with the Flash5 plugin - Livemotion2. Adobe would love to see Flash MX canned.
The article simply states "further legal battles". It doesn't say by whom.
According to the news that Apple is suing Sorenson because of the spark codec issue, it could be that Apple could be the one to get Macromedia to pull Flash if they win against Sorenson, since Flash MX contains the Sorenson spark codec.
I have had a love hate relationship with Macromedia over the years, mainly because I hated the Early Flash/Director and Dreamweaver UI's, but say what one will about them, they make tools that generally are pretty stable, useful, cross-platform in the Win/Mac sense(Some *x too, Flash and Dreamweaver) and above all, affordable. Macromedia's tools were alway a good couple of hundred dollars cheaper than Adobe's. Macromedia's online help was mostly pretty good and they did seem to listen to user issues.
I will be sad to see Macromedia fold, which is a distinct possibility given that they haven't been doing well for a long time and that they are losing in court. Hopefully it won't happen.
I hate to say this but it isn't really the point. Swing is fine on meodern machines, but on machines of the time (200MHz x86) it was as slow as molasses. This was what caused so many companies *not* to develop client side applications in Java.
I think Java's position would have been better off today if SUN had simply included an AWT based Table element for example, which was more flexible than that which was available at the time.
The Cobalts run an OS called Linux. SSH is running by default on this machine. If one is not supposed to be able to "fiddle" with the machine why does it then run. And I didn't buy any Cobalt.(I'm dumb but not that dumb). I had work to do on one from someone who couldn't cope with the "appliance".
And of course SUN makes it noticable on the website that you can roll your own.pkg's, right? There is the Cobalt stuff on Sun's main site and the www.cobalt.com and neither has any links to this or referr in any way on the main site that you can in fact "fiddle" with the system.
So which is it meant to be? To "fiddle" or not to "fiddle"?
Sun may have bought the Raq3 from Cobalt when they took them over. But they still sold them until the Raq4 came out. They offered no OS upgrade to the machine although they're both using the same x86 config, so it shouldn't be a big deal.
Fine, Sun want's to sell hardware. They'ld sell more with better support.
As for "tarnished reputations", just go and read the famous Cobalt mailing lists.
I think you and the next poster misunderstood me. I meant *that the shell is subordinate to the Unix permissions system*, and of course missed the mark completely. It was meant as a tongue in cheek reference to the original poster claming IE is a shell, and I thought about IE vulnerabilities and being able to do what you want on the system.
Quote: " The issue arose Tuesday after Microsoft withdrew several witnesses Monday night, one of whom, Richard Fade, is senior vice president of the OEM division, which works with computer manufacturers."
Why are they doing this? MS claims they feel strong enough in their case to do this, but almost all of their witnesses (with the exception of Gates) have been shown to either not know the states proposal or to have been fed MS prepared texts. I suspect that MS is actually scared that their own company witnesses (most of those now withdrawn) could negatively affect their case.
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If I follow the logic of your post it would mean that here in Europe where we are also in the middle of a hefty IT recession, we should not allow any Americans, no matter how qualified, to work here?
That is simplistic and attitudes like that won't get you your job back.
They aren't on Apple's page or anywhere else that I can find. Given that Apple rumour sites live off stuff like this, isn't this just another wild rumour?
As Villanueva Nuñez says: The Bill in no way restricts Microsoft from selling anything to anyone. It simply lays rules as to what is acceptable for the Peruvian state.
Villanueva Nuñez writes about MS' EULA:"As you know perfectly well, or could find out by reading the "End User License Agreement" of the products you license, in the great majority of cases the guarantees are limited to replacement of the storage medium in case of defects, but in no case is compensation given for direct or indirect damages, loss of profits, etc... If as a result of a security bug in one of your products, not fixed in time by yourselves, an attacker managed to compromise crucial State systems, what guarantees, reparations and compensation would your company make in accordance with your licencing conditions? The guarantees of proprietary software, inasmuch as programs are delivered ``AS IS'', that is, in the state in which they are, with no additional responsibility of the provider in respect of function, in no way differ from those normal with free software.
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Ahmen! It's called accountability. I don't have anything aginst MS' software, but I have a lot against their EULAs.
Being unemployed as I am and quite poor, if they offered me some of that money I would sing and dance the company tune and attack open source with all my might (whilst secrectly hiding a Linux box at home in the cellar). I mean this is what poverty does to one, right? And that is Microsoft does to poor people, right?
.Net, Subscription model) sonner or later they would max out and growth would flatten or drop to near to zero. What would they do then? Would they then lobby politicians to start a Microsoft tax or make it a criminal offense not to have a PC in every house running Microsoft Windows XXXXX?
On the serious side, I suppose that reading something like this depresses me, because it seems that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, although I suppose a string of bad luck and or court cases could quickly deplete much of those cash reserves. But I don't think anyone seriously expects that ever to happen. The only thing I wonder about is in a theoretical model when Microsoft has bought everyone out and has absolutely no more competition (having successfully lobbied, bribed etc politicians into outlawing open source), How do they continue to grow?
Even if they were successful with all their initiatives (Passport,
This isn't meant as flamebait but as a question, given that the subscription model is probably a means to generate revenue and is not a real necessity.
Where's the compiler? Where's the API's. Apart from the mono project(and look how far they've gotten), who has even attempted to write a runtime for this? How useful is C# (even if you have the runtime and the compiler) if you have no classes and API's? I don't remember MS opening up any of the .Net API's without which (at the moment in any case) C# is about as useful as intercal.
Reading stuff like this, although it is not placed in context (as others mention here), is startling. It does make me frightened in any case. A good starting point for the spread of biological and chemical weapons in the world, and perhaps more importantly who supports whom, is the federation of American Scientists website.
I'm a South African and was shocked to read about the support given by almost all Western Governments to the Dr.Mengele of the Apartheid Government, Dr.Wouter Basson, a.k.a. Dr.Death, in that regime's attempts to create bio weapons which would only affect black people. (Although why they had this strange idea that blacks are some other species I don't know). In any case, although probably many people don't remember it, in the mid 80's an East German microbiologist claimed that the actual origions of the HIV virus(various newspaper archives) were in fact in a USArmy bioweapons lab in either Virginia or Maryland (Ft.Derrick? I don't remember the name). He was laughed off at the time. I also, in terms of normal common sense found it somewhat implausiable. But the problem is, who do you believe, and who do you trust?
I was somewhat amazed at the many coincidents (reminiscent of a good episode of the X-Files) in the Anthrax attacks in the US last year. Why Florida? Why the isolated cases of lonely old women? Why liberal or popular politicians? How did the FBI get to the conclusion so rapidly that it was not linked to the 9/11 higjackers and that it was "probably of domestic origion"? Why has nothing ever come out of the investigation?
I don't really like conspiracy theories, as they tend to cloud real events, but who do you believe? And what do you believe? Did anyone in any so-called country ever give their politicians an explicit right to muck around with stuff as dangerous as this?
If you check you'll find that Darwin, the OS in the main subject here is open source, runs on x86 and supports GNOME, X11 etc and is free, similar to Linux. If you have problems with that but still insist on using MS software, bootlegged or legal as I know a lot of third world countries do, then I don't think there's much anyone can do for you. However if you're basing your post on your use of Linux on x86 just reread the first sentence.
Sorry to interrupt your fanatic posting.
Will MS now accusse the peruvians of being unamerican? I don't see what MS could actually do to Peru in any case, since Peru is so poor that the BSA would shout halleluya if they found one actual MS licence in the country.
Having started to use ObjC on OSX, which is obviously supported on Darwin and GNUStep as well, I found it similar in it's ease of use to Java. No one owns ObjC and unlike C# you can compile it with GCC. No one is going to hijack ObjC, but can you say the same about C#.
It's not much of an argument, but it's worth thinking about.
Apple will obviously not open source Quartz or allow copies of it's Aqua GUI. The reasons are obvious and have been discussed often enough. There's nothing wrong with that. They need the money and, at the least provide Darwin as an alternative commercially supported Unix to Linux(IBM, RedHat, SuSE etc). Their attention to their Desktop is important, as this provides a real alternative to MS' enormous monopoly, and perhaps even more importantly the Quartz/Aqua GUI provides (at least for PPC) a standard interface for applications. I'm not a big fan of Aqua but it does provide a standard on the platform. This is one of the reasons, I think, for MS' monopoly on the desktop. Think of it as crap or good, but it does make it easier for an application designer to design a GUI. Same for Apple. The controls all look the same and the API's are standard. Linux needs something like this as well. Both GNOME and KDE are good but their lack of intercompatibility with one another does no service to Linux. Choice is good but perhaps sometimes it also leads to confusion, in this case for instance amongst normal users who have difficulty understanding how to use the right mouse button, never mind understanding whether QT3 or GTK is better.
beacause of the Sorenson codec lawsuit
It's called Livemotion2
Thanks, and sorry for being OT
Perhaps you should look more closely because Adobe makes a Flash editor itself which is compatible with the Flash5 plugin - Livemotion2. Adobe would love to see Flash MX canned.
The article simply states "further legal battles". It doesn't say by whom.
According to the news that Apple is suing Sorenson because of the spark codec issue, it could be that Apple could be the one to get Macromedia to pull Flash if they win against Sorenson, since Flash MX contains the Sorenson spark codec.
I have had a love hate relationship with Macromedia over the years, mainly because I hated the Early Flash/Director and Dreamweaver UI's, but say what one will about them, they make tools that generally are pretty stable, useful, cross-platform in the Win/Mac sense(Some *x too, Flash and Dreamweaver) and above all, affordable. Macromedia's tools were alway a good couple of hundred dollars cheaper than Adobe's. Macromedia's online help was mostly pretty good and they did seem to listen to user issues.
I will be sad to see Macromedia fold, which is a distinct possibility given that they haven't been doing well for a long time and that they are losing in court. Hopefully it won't happen.
I hate to say this but it isn't really the point. Swing is fine on meodern machines, but on machines of the time (200MHz x86) it was as slow as molasses. This was what caused so many companies *not* to develop client side applications in Java.
I think Java's position would have been better off today if SUN had simply included an AWT based Table element for example, which was more flexible than that which was available at the time.
I'm sorry, I don't know VB at all but isn't VB case insensitive?
Also, with this example, you haven't yet initialized the variable. Wouldn't this give an error of some type regarding use before initialisation?
The Cobalts run an OS called Linux. SSH is running by default on this machine. If one is not supposed to be able to "fiddle" with the machine why does it then run. And I didn't buy any Cobalt.(I'm dumb but not that dumb). I had work to do on one from someone who couldn't cope with the "appliance".
.pkg's, right? There is the Cobalt stuff on Sun's main site and the www.cobalt.com and neither has any links to this or referr in any way on the main site that you can in fact "fiddle" with the system.
And of course SUN makes it noticable on the website that you can roll your own
So which is it meant to be? To "fiddle" or not to "fiddle"?
Sun may have bought the Raq3 from Cobalt when they took them over. But they still sold them until the Raq4 came out. They offered no OS upgrade to the machine although they're both using the same x86 config, so it shouldn't be a big deal.
Fine, Sun want's to sell hardware. They'ld sell more with better support.
As for "tarnished reputations", just go and read the famous Cobalt mailing lists.
I think you and the next poster misunderstood me. I meant *that the shell is subordinate to the Unix permissions system*, and of course missed the mark completely. It was meant as a tongue in cheek reference to the original poster claming IE is a shell, and I thought about IE vulnerabilities and being able to do what you want on the system.
I know these links. .pkgs. It isn't advertised anywhere.
It took me a while to find the info on rolling the
The PHP link is for PHP for the Raq4. I was referring to a Raq3!
The mailing list is full of users bitching about the fact that SUN doesn't help much. Thanks, I did subscribe.
Don't you think it would do SUN's somewhat tarnished image some good to provide at least a few months of free support to people who buy the boxes?
You can deinstall KDE and still use bash, tcsh and lynx.
Quote: " The issue arose Tuesday after Microsoft withdrew several witnesses Monday night, one of whom, Richard Fade, is senior vice president of the OEM division, which works with computer manufacturers."
Why are they doing this? MS claims they feel strong enough in their case to do this, but almost all of their witnesses (with the exception of Gates) have been shown to either not know the states proposal or to have been fed MS prepared texts. I suspect that MS is actually scared that their own company witnesses (most of those now withdrawn) could negatively affect their case.
The shell in Unix underlies the Unix permissions system.