This bit of HTML/CSS/DOM works fine in Mozilla, IE loses the css, and Omniweb sadly doesn't know what it is.
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<b>The parts of the job application</b> <form id ="paraform" method="post" action="whatever"> <input type="hidden" name="formdata" value="there"> The job description for the CV:<br> <input type ="text" name="formcv" value="" style="width:550px;height:20px;"><br> The file name where the job application is to be stored(just name):<br> <input type ="text" name="formfile" value="" style="width:550px;height:20px;"><br> The company's address:<br> <textarea id="address" name="formbody[0]" style="width:350px;height:250px;"> </textarea><br > The date:<br> <textarea id="date" name="formbody[1]" style="width:250px;height:20px;"> </textarea><br> The title of the application:<br> <textarea id="title" name="formbody[2]" style="width:550px;height:20px;"> </textarea><br> The greeting line:<br> <textarea id="greeting" name="formbody[3]" style="width:350px;height:20px;"> </textarea><br> Body text: <br id="linebreak"> <textarea id="para" name ="formbody[4]" style="width:550px;height:120px;"> </textarea> < br> <input id="end" type="submit" value="submit"> </form>
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I use OSX on an old G3 333MHz system and although it *is* slow in terms of responsiveness, the whole UI seems made to provide a sort of "pseudo" realism in that there is a lot of animation going on all the time, all windows support alpha transparency and in order to make dragging a non flickering experience, Apple has made every window double buffered. There *are* shareware goodies that'll turn off the shows but I think Apple made a mistake by not allowing users (or coders) easy access to a panel to turn off live scaling, live drag'ndrop and double buffering on a system wide level. I think Apple did this on purpose partly in order to sell newer hardware (from whence they gain the revenue so it makes sense) and partly in order to create a consistent "branding" in order to raise market awareness. Since I spend a fair amount of time in the terminal I'm not so affected byall this.
On the topic of browsers, MS IE is definitely the worst in terms of stability and speed in OSX. The other main contenders, Omniweb and Mozilla (and especially the Cocoa based Mozilla derivative Chimera) have improved enormously over the past year, from the point where Omniweb could not render any css or do any javascript and Mozilla crashed just about every 5 minutes to the point where Omniweb renders Hotmail better than IE itself and Mozilla now supports native UI elements and almost never crashes. IE improved a bit from the first beta version last years but has since only had the odd security upgrade and no feature or performance improvment whatsoever.
My personal two winners in the future will be Omniweb when it is fully CSS and DOM compatible and Chimera when it gets to version.9 or 1.0
I have also noticed that the UI has improved to the point where it is not that much slower than the Classic MacOS anymore and I presume that with 10.2 and further on it will get even better.
Why is it that for quite a large number of "Evaluation Registrations" when one enters some yahoo or hotmail address specifically created for this purpose, the amount of spam climbs astronomically a short while after having being dumb enough to enter one's email address during the registration?
Pissed off sales staff? Companies hoping for a quick buck? I don't know. I do know that this is one of the reasons that I like OSS - no one comes round to pester me with unwanted questions , in general the OSS crowd take my privacy seriously instead of treating me with contempt, in general they provide screenshots(this is such a huge factor it cannot be streesed enough), and it is very pleasing to be able to mail a developer personally thanking him for his hard work and to get a mail back where the guy shows his appreciation.
In this case I became a US citizen when I opened my hotmail account five years ago, along with the 70 million or so others? And this is nice because if I get tired of my ID I can always get yours with a couple of lines of JScript.
We should really be grateful for the good that Bill is doing for us international people.
I intuitively somehow don't think we can be alone in this universe but what if we are? Does that make us God? Does that make us lords of creation? or would that just make us incredibly lucky?
My own personal feeling is that our moon is what makes life on earth possible. My reasoning: If you take a look at tides or even at women's menstrual circles, or the lunar calendar don't you get the feeling that the moon is the "heart" of our planet? That it is the thing that makes our planet "breathe"?
I haven't seen an activeX special anything for about a year now. The ones that I do see are those that used to be plug-ins until MS cut the plug-in interface such as quicktime, flash and java. In company intranets activeX may be used but in the public they have not been used extensively or ever become popular on a wide scale. I think it always boils down to the fact that for a long time any sort of plug-in was just too much hassle to download and so people didn't bother as well as the fact that almost all web coders have been trying to keep a modicum of compatibility on their sites and have thus been avoiding stuff that is IE only.
I can't imagine being able to use Windows (or any desktop OS for that matter) on a screen that small. I think 10" would be the absolute minimum in pure ergonimcal terms. What would be usuable would be the Sharp PDA interface running on top of Linux with the ability to switch to KDE or GNOME when plugged into a docking station.
I regularly read South African news online. SA has, almost alone amongst African countries a fully developed infrastructure but the connections suffer because there is only one backbone for the whole continent. It is also difficult for them to get any return traffic due mainly to the simple lack of knowledge that there is anything worthwhile there and the slow connections.
So following is my little contribution to increasing traffic to South Africa.
What is needed is to stop MS treating everyone like dirt. It needs a BSD style licence that specifically states that MS can in no way use this software but anyone else can. Since MS is not above using BSD style code it means that this option will no longer available for them.
I'm not an American and I will be writing to the European comittee investigating MS and ask them to note this new MS licence and it's possible effects on the European Software industry.
I'm pretty sure IBM will have noticed this as well and this will negatively impact their business since they into Linux as well.
But I think that a lot of comments here are not what developers want to see. My suggestions: 1. Since these are VB and C++ people you could show them Kylix and Kdevelop 2. You could also get a Mac from somewhere and show them ProjectBuilder and Interface Builder and explain that it is meant for C/C++, ObjC and Java and above all comes free with the OS.
I think you will have a hard time convincing someone who has had the luxury of a good IDE (VS) that developing in VI or Emacs is easier. I'm not too sure what C++ IDE's are available for Linux but I do think that they would prefer to use something like Metrowerks (there's a Linux port right?) than command line editors, because if they come from the Windows world they will be used to using a GUI and paying for their tools.
Firstly I live in Switzerland, so don't quote bbc references to me, since I've mailed the bbc at least twice on faulty references they posted.
Secondly, what is this hatred of Europe thing that seems to be in vogue right now? Why is it that anytime someone asks a question about something that happens in the USA that all the insults start flying and some people who haven't ever been there start making death threats? Does this threaten your personal existence? Are you so fragile in your personality that you feel the need to respond with violence to everything?
Thirdly, carrying of pistols in Switzerland is illegal, concealed or not. You need a Waffenerwerbsschein (Weapon possesion certificate) to get a weapon privatly in Switzerland, and they do a very thorough background check before they give it to you.
Fourthly, Most of the military grade weapons in Swiss households are weapoons that swiss soldiers take home. In Switzerland soldiers have to shoot regularly at shooting stands and there is a compulsory three week military camp every year. Soldiers having their weapons with them is simply easier than having to hand it out to them every time they need it. BUT probably within the next two years the swiss will drop this and Military rifles will not be taken home any more.
Fifthly, you calling any European that has a different opinion to you Eurotrash is probably a compliment to him.
the Mac platform? It works well. It's very easy for beginners and it has a lot of commercial application support *as well as* the ability to run X11 and command line unix tools. It is a good marriage of the world of an easy to use GUI and ball breaking unix configurability.
Won't this be an MS attempt to get your PC to lock out any other OS? I can imagine some of the marketing genii at MS going on about "How to finally get all those people who run Linux in a dual boot locked into our OS". I really would not put it past them, especially in light of the fact that new PC's are sold mostly with some MS OS preinstalled
In these financially tight times, you mean MS wants people to pay for an online gaming service PLUS their monthly internet bills? This sounds like a very hailstorm kind of proposition to me especially considering that, for instance, here in Europe one of the biggest media enterprises, Kirch Media, went bankrupt this week. They had one of the largest stakes in Pay-TV but it just didn't take off because with cable and satellite and god knows how many channels to choose from not many were intereseted.
The same applies to MS and it's paid online gaming services: People with PC's can already game all over the net with their internet connection, which is already more flexible than MS' game options will be. Sony might have a similar problem but has especially outside the US better brand recognition since most normal non-computer people don't even know what microsoft is.
I don't know if it's just me but when I read about some CEO saying something against something or someone else I see the words "vested interests" in the background, or has anyone forgotten MS' Mundie vs. Linux , MS vs. Unix, Brilliant's Chief thief vs. everyone's PC?
What worries me more in these times of security paranoia is this: The underlying motives of said CEO's comments are often not as transparent as those of MS's Bosses and what is worse is that there are enough other braindead people who do not think for themselves who will take said CEO's words as gospel.
As a Swiss former South African...
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I second your words, boet. The article represents, to me, that same blind spot that got other empires into trouble in the first place.
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or insinuating that Australians do is a worse insult than misquoting the population stats.
The EU commision on competition
I use OSX on an old G3 333MHz system and although it *is* slow in terms of responsiveness, the whole UI seems made to provide a sort of "pseudo" realism in that there is a lot of animation going on all the time, all windows support alpha transparency and in order to make dragging a non flickering experience, Apple has made every window double buffered. There *are* shareware goodies that'll turn off the shows but I think Apple made a mistake by not allowing users (or coders) easy access to a panel to turn off live scaling, live drag'ndrop and double buffering on a system wide level. I think Apple did this on purpose partly in order to sell newer hardware (from whence they gain the revenue so it makes sense) and partly in order to create a consistent "branding" in order to raise market awareness. Since I spend a fair amount of time in the terminal I'm not so affected byall this.
.9 or 1.0
On the topic of browsers, MS IE is definitely the worst in terms of stability and speed in OSX. The other main contenders, Omniweb and Mozilla (and especially the Cocoa based Mozilla derivative Chimera) have improved enormously over the past year, from the point where Omniweb could not render any css or do any javascript and Mozilla crashed just about every 5 minutes to the point where Omniweb renders Hotmail better than IE itself and Mozilla now supports native UI elements and almost never crashes. IE improved a bit from the first beta version last years but has since only had the odd security upgrade and no feature or performance improvment whatsoever.
My personal two winners in the future will be Omniweb when it is fully CSS and DOM compatible and Chimera when it gets to version
I have also noticed that the UI has improved to the point where it is not that much slower than the Classic MacOS anymore and I presume that with 10.2 and further on it will get even better.
Why is it that for quite a large number of "Evaluation Registrations" when one enters some yahoo or hotmail address specifically created for this purpose, the amount of spam climbs astronomically a short while after having being dumb enough to enter one's email address during the registration?
Pissed off sales staff? Companies hoping for a quick buck? I don't know. I do know that this is one of the reasons that I like OSS - no one comes round to pester me with unwanted questions , in general the OSS crowd take my privacy seriously instead of treating me with contempt, in general they provide screenshots(this is such a huge factor it cannot be streesed enough), and it is very pleasing to be able to mail a developer personally thanking him for his hard work and to get a mail back where the guy shows his appreciation.
Isn't it about time that some schools pulled a class action thing on MS?
In this case I became a US citizen when I opened my hotmail account five years ago, along with the 70 million or so others? And this is nice because if I get tired of my ID I can always get yours with a couple of lines of JScript.
We should really be grateful for the good that Bill is doing for us international people.
I intuitively somehow don't think we can be alone in this universe but what if we are? Does that make us God? Does that make us lords of creation? or would that just make us incredibly lucky?
My own personal feeling is that our moon is what makes life on earth possible. My reasoning:
If you take a look at tides or even at women's menstrual circles, or the lunar calendar don't you get the feeling that the moon is the "heart" of our planet? That it is the thing that makes our planet "breathe"?
I haven't seen an activeX special anything for about a year now. The ones that I do see are those that used to be plug-ins until MS cut the plug-in interface such as quicktime, flash and java. In company intranets activeX may be used but in the public they have not been used extensively or ever become popular on a wide scale. I think it always boils down to the fact that for a long time any sort of plug-in was just too much hassle to download and so people didn't bother as well as the fact that almost all web coders have been trying to keep a modicum of compatibility on their sites and have thus been avoiding stuff that is IE only.
I can't imagine being able to use Windows (or any desktop OS for that matter) on a screen that small. I think 10" would be the absolute minimum in pure ergonimcal terms. What would be usuable would be the Sharp PDA interface running on top of Linux with the ability to switch to KDE or GNOME when plugged into a docking station.
I regularly read South African news online. SA has, almost alone amongst African countries a fully developed infrastructure but the connections suffer because there is only one backbone for the whole continent. It is also difficult for them to get any return traffic due mainly to the simple lack of knowledge that there is anything worthwhile there and the slow connections. So following is my little contribution to increasing traffic to South Africa.
/. vein:
South African news sites:
Independant online
news24 online
Sunday times newspaper
More in the
linux.org.za
linuxuser.co.za
And for those who actually venture further south than Key West:
Southafrica.net
sa-venues.com
Southafricatravel.net
And for the banal:
IT Tabloid
Enjoy, the worst you can do is learn something.
What is needed is to stop MS treating everyone like dirt. It needs a BSD style licence that specifically states that MS can in no way use this software but anyone else can. Since MS is not above using BSD style code it means that this option will no longer available for them.
I'm not an American and I will be writing to the European comittee investigating MS and ask them to note this new MS licence and it's possible effects on the European Software industry.
I'm pretty sure IBM will have noticed this as well and this will negatively impact their business since they into Linux as well.
You can find the address somewhere on the web I'm sure.
But I think that a lot of comments here are not what developers want to see. My suggestions:
1. Since these are VB and C++ people you could show them Kylix and Kdevelop
2. You could also get a Mac from somewhere and show them ProjectBuilder and Interface Builder and explain that it is meant for C/C++, ObjC and Java and above all comes free with the OS.
I think you will have a hard time convincing someone who has had the luxury of a good IDE (VS) that developing in VI or Emacs is easier. I'm not too sure what C++ IDE's are available for Linux but I do think that they would prefer to use something like Metrowerks (there's a Linux port right?) than command line editors, because if they come from the Windows world they will be used to using a GUI and paying for their tools.
Firstly I live in Switzerland, so don't quote bbc references to me, since I've mailed the bbc at least twice on faulty references they posted.
Secondly, what is this hatred of Europe thing that seems to be in vogue right now? Why is it that anytime someone asks a question about something that happens in the USA that all the insults start flying and some people who haven't ever been there start making death threats? Does this threaten your personal existence? Are you so fragile in your personality that you feel the need to respond with violence to everything?
Thirdly, carrying of pistols in Switzerland is illegal, concealed or not. You need a Waffenerwerbsschein (Weapon possesion certificate) to get a weapon privatly in Switzerland, and they do a very thorough background check before they give it to you.
Fourthly, Most of the military grade weapons in Swiss households are weapoons that swiss soldiers take home. In Switzerland soldiers have to shoot regularly at shooting stands and there is a compulsory three week military camp every year. Soldiers having their weapons with them is simply easier than having to hand it out to them every time they need it. BUT probably within the next two years the swiss will drop this and Military rifles will not be taken home any more.
Fifthly, you calling any European that has a different opinion to you Eurotrash is probably a compliment to him.
Huh?
From IEEE to USEEE.
the Mac platform? It works well. It's very easy for beginners and it has a lot of commercial application support *as well as* the ability to run X11 and command line unix tools. It is a good marriage of the world of an easy to use GUI and ball breaking unix configurability.
Won't this be an MS attempt to get your PC to lock out any other OS? I can imagine some of the marketing genii at MS going on about "How to finally get all those people who run Linux in a dual boot locked into our OS". I really would not put it past them, especially in light of the fact that new PC's are sold mostly with some MS OS preinstalled
They wanna start selling Macs?
In these financially tight times, you mean MS wants people to pay for an online gaming service PLUS their monthly internet bills? This sounds like a very hailstorm kind of proposition to me especially considering that, for instance, here in Europe one of the biggest media enterprises, Kirch Media, went bankrupt this week. They had one of the largest stakes in Pay-TV but it just didn't take off because with cable and satellite and god knows how many channels to choose from not many were intereseted.
The same applies to MS and it's paid online gaming services: People with PC's can already game all over the net with their internet connection, which is already more flexible than MS' game options will be. Sony might have a similar problem but has especially outside the US better brand recognition since most normal non-computer people don't even know what microsoft is.
ein Sandwich mit Quark und Schnittlauch oben drauf bitte.*
Quark is the german word for a diary product somewhere between cottage cheese and yoghurt.
I don't know if it's just me but when I read about some CEO saying something against something or someone else I see the words "vested interests" in the background, or has anyone forgotten MS' Mundie vs. Linux , MS vs. Unix, Brilliant's Chief thief vs. everyone's PC?
What worries me more in these times of security paranoia is this: The underlying motives of said CEO's comments are often not as transparent as those of MS's Bosses and what is worse is that there are enough other braindead people who do not think for themselves who will take said CEO's words as gospel.
I second your words, boet. The article represents, to me, that same blind spot that got other empires into trouble in the first place.
.Net allows you to use c and c++ and pointers, so much for sandboxed.