Principal don't mean shit. It's not going to get the bulk of games on Linux. Why? Because of volume. Game developers don't have the time to port games over to Linux. They'd rather stay on Win32 because graphics chip features happen there first and they can compete better.
Maybe some developers will pay for a port to be done by a third party, but generally speaking there aren't enough customers to justify it. Our project is nearing completion and there is no way we will be porting it to Linux at the moment, because of time and monetary constraints.
From Lindows President(Kevin) on the Lindows forum:
As with any company, you have press that like what you're doing, and those who don't like what you're doing.
Maureen O'Gara who wrote this article certainly falls in the "not like Lindows.com" camp. She has from day one not liked Lindows.com, and she has time and time again tried to short circuit much of what we are doing. For example, she didn't like the Wal-Mart deal and tried all she could to get Wal-Mart to kill their deal with Lindows.com. She called them, emailed them, and so on to short circuit the deal. It obviously didn't work, and to this day Wal-Mart remains thrilled with their association with Lindows.com. She's apparently doing it again here, trying to short circuit our relationship with AOL. Of course, it won't work. AOL is a HUGE corporation, and not every department at AOL may know what the other dept. is doing. Certainly, a "reporter" for the Linux press would have the least access to AOL or information about their plans.
As we have said many times, we don't pay too much attention to this sort of thing. We simply remain focused on building a great product. This reporter has been proven wrong many times already by Lindows.com, but not by our words, but by actions and the history of this company.
As for an "AOL Computer," the MSNBC reporter was the one who made the inference of an "AOL Computer." That's why the headline had a question mark after it. The MSNBC reporter was saying, "Hmmm...COULD this be an AOL Computer?" I think it was clear what the MSNBC reporter was suggesting, NOT reporting that there WAS an "AOL Computer," but that this could certainly be used in that way.
We stand by our press release. It is 100% accurate.
Kevin
PS: I responded as soon as I saw this thread. We're very busy, as you can imagine, getting ready for the General Release. When we're not on the forum it means we ARE working! Don't give this "reporter" too much of your energy, as I'm sure it's exactly what she wanted.
I've been stitching up cuts on my livestock and giving my children cough medicine and asprin. At work they only think of me as a software designer. How can I break into the medical field?
That's a bit harse. Though the analogy is somewhat valid. Writing software is not like saving lives, and I would say that 90% (or some other arbitrary figure) of developers could not write mission-critical code to save themselves.
Writing one off utilities is not developing software.
You are developing software as soon as you write "Hello World". The fact that this guy is writing utilities, even if they are once off, means he's solving problem using software. This is what developing software is about. Just because it does not meet your standards, doesn't meen it's not development.
You need to understand how languages work (what is a virtual function in c++), how OSs work, what a thread is, what a btree is and why it is so useful, how a garbage collector works, how your filesystem works, how commen compressions schemes work, how long to expect a user to wait with no feed back or some feed back but no progress indication, how to fill a polygon, etc. You don't need to know all of this because you might have to write it, it is already written, but you need to understand these concepts to expand on them and apply them when appropriate. I have used concepts learned in all the previously mentioned ideas in production software.
Oh fuck off. What are you talking about? Transgaming were constantly submitting code to the Wine project... Nothing but empty promises? Man I can run Max Payne out of the box on Linux... and you call that empty?
Get off your fucking fat arse and contribute first and talk later. Dickhead.
Sony Music and Sony Computer Entertainment are two different companies... and besides your little boycott will do fuck all to change the world... you are only hurting yourself.
Yes... except the ActualDepth LCD monitors do not have Actual Depth, whereas the dti LCD monitors do have Actual Depth and are real 3D without the glasses using NVidia's 3D drivers.
It's hilarious that these guys think they have something special. The DTI3D LCD's work on all Direct3D and OpenGL games to give you actual 3D, whereas these guys need stuff written especially for the hardware. This will not get past the commercial market if any.
What exactly are you talking about here?? MPEG4 to compress textures? I surely hope you are joking because this post isn't even funny.
A couple of things: - MPEG4 is not a 3D graphics standard - MPEG4 is used to encode moving pictures - MPEG4 will not make 3D graphics faster if used - I wonder what drugs you are on..
2 Million per company per year! My god, shows how much big companies like apple can throw around. That's more than the my companies total profit for the year. LOL.
On top of this ID don't make fabulous games. They make engines. They sell these engine to companies who don't make ports to linux. However with something like WineX, you can play these games out of the box. What exactly was the ddlings's point?
Can anybody who works for or near BT management explain exactly what goes on in these poeple's heads?
I mean are BT totally clueless? How could they possibly win such a case... Unless of course they want to run the other company into the ground. Don't you love it when companies stop innovating to compete and instead litigate.
That's by no means a constant, rather a mean or average of a group of values.
This is by no means accurate, anaything can throw the values off (OS, System, Hardware, or disks). This is really a wastes of time, in it's current form, needs more thought.
Their recording equipment consists of laptops that are networked. Wouldn't the packet first need to hit the network iterface, be decoded. Hit the pci bus hit the CPU, hit the software, run through the os, to the bash process to be displayed on the bash console?
3G can be used for internet access. You plug a 3G client card into your desktop and anywhere you go, where you have 3G coverage, you have a fast wireless network connection.
Maybe publicity is the last thing they want. 3G has been labeled vaporware many times over, this could hurt them is they don't get it right.
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What we are seriously talking about here is migration. WINE is excellent at this. This is what we want. Get more people over to Linux, and don't force them to trash their existing software. If I buy a software package for Windows and I can run it on Linux, it seems very attractive to shift.
When I first thought about moving to linux, back a while now, the one gripe was that I wanted to run Half-Life as I loved that game. Then wine matured and I actually could. I dropped Windows like a rock and move to Linux.. There's got to be more people like that out there.
I'd say so... not entirely, you are right. Most Windows users will stick with what they got. This is ofcourse unless they get sick of M$ crap.
BTW: There's a grammatical error in your sig, and Kevin Smith shouldn't talk because his films are a pile of crap now anyway, his only good film was clerks.
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Principal don't mean shit. It's not going to get the bulk of games on Linux. Why? Because of volume. Game developers don't have the time to port games over to Linux. They'd rather stay on Win32 because graphics chip features happen there first and they can compete better.
Maybe some developers will pay for a port to be done by a third party, but generally speaking there aren't enough customers to justify it. Our project is nearing completion and there is no way we will be porting it to Linux at the moment, because of time and monetary constraints.
From Lindows President(Kevin) on the Lindows forum:
As with any company, you have press that like what you're doing, and those who don't like what you're doing.
Maureen O'Gara who wrote this article certainly falls in the "not like Lindows.com" camp. She has from day one not liked Lindows.com, and she has time and time again tried to short circuit much of what we are doing. For example, she didn't like the Wal-Mart deal and tried all she could to get Wal-Mart to kill their deal with Lindows.com. She called them, emailed them, and so on to short circuit the deal. It obviously didn't work, and to this day Wal-Mart remains thrilled with their association with Lindows.com. She's apparently doing it again here, trying to short circuit our relationship with AOL. Of course, it won't work. AOL is a HUGE corporation, and not every department at AOL may know what the other dept. is doing. Certainly, a "reporter" for the Linux press would have the least access to AOL or information about their plans.
As we have said many times, we don't pay too much attention to this sort of thing. We simply remain focused on building a great product. This reporter has been proven wrong many times already by Lindows.com, but not by our words, but by actions and the history of this company.
As for an "AOL Computer," the MSNBC reporter was the one who made the inference of an "AOL Computer." That's why the headline had a question mark after it. The MSNBC reporter was saying, "Hmmm...COULD this be an AOL Computer?" I think it was clear what the MSNBC reporter was suggesting, NOT reporting that there WAS an "AOL Computer," but that this could certainly be used in that way.
We stand by our press release. It is 100% accurate.
Kevin
PS: I responded as soon as I saw this thread. We're very busy, as you can imagine, getting ready for the General Release. When we're not on the forum it means we ARE working! Don't give this "reporter" too much of your energy, as I'm sure it's exactly what she wanted.
Dude... you have contradicted yourself. "OS-Independent" and "NOT OS-Dependent" mean the same thing... :)
I've been stitching up cuts on my livestock and giving my children cough medicine and asprin. At work they only think of me as a software designer. How can I break into the medical field?
That's a bit harse. Though the analogy is somewhat valid. Writing software is not like saving lives, and I would say that 90% (or some other arbitrary figure) of developers could not write mission-critical code to save themselves.
Writing one off utilities is not developing software.
You are developing software as soon as you write "Hello World". The fact that this guy is writing utilities, even if they are once off, means he's solving problem using software. This is what developing software is about. Just because it does not meet your standards, doesn't meen it's not development.
You need to understand how languages work (what is a virtual function in c++), how OSs work, what a thread is, what a btree is and why it is so useful, how a garbage collector works, how your filesystem works, how commen compressions schemes work, how long to expect a user to wait with no feed back or some feed back but no progress indication, how to fill a polygon, etc. You don't need to know all of this because you might have to write it, it is already written, but you need to understand these concepts to expand on them and apply them when appropriate. I have used concepts learned in all the previously mentioned ideas in production software.
You can get this from a book.
Yes you are trolling and so what? Many companies have contrbuted to the wine project, Corel, Transgaming, Codeweavers, Lindows even.
Don't jump to conclusions. For fucks sake, Transgaming implemented entire DCOM support for wine.
Oh fuck off. What are you talking about? Transgaming were constantly submitting code to the Wine project... Nothing but empty promises? Man I can run Max Payne out of the box on Linux... and you call that empty?
Get off your fucking fat arse and contribute first and talk later. Dickhead.
Harvey Norman in Australia are refusing to stock the XBox as Microsoft asked them to give the XBox preference over the PS2.
Harvey Norman instead stocked more PS2 combo entertainment packs... suck on that M$
No no. Transgaming has purchased a license for the safedisc technology. That is why they cannot include the source.
Or you could just:
- install winex,
- associate the *.exe as a winex executable
- click on your cdrom icon
- click on setup.exe
- Install the game
- Run it
At least under Mandrake 8.2 KDE 2.2.2, I found that Winex 2.0 installs the icons flawlessly (on desktop and in the startup).
Sony Music and Sony Computer Entertainment are two different companies... and besides your little boycott will do fuck all to change the world... you are only hurting yourself.
Yes... except the ActualDepth LCD monitors do not have Actual Depth, whereas the dti LCD monitors do have Actual Depth and are real 3D without the glasses using NVidia's 3D drivers.
It's hilarious that these guys think they have something special. The DTI3D LCD's work on all Direct3D and OpenGL games to give you actual 3D, whereas these guys need stuff written especially for the hardware. This will not get past the commercial market if any.
New revolutionary crystal, simply heat it and it melts! ;-)
What exactly are you talking about here?? MPEG4 to compress textures? I surely hope you are joking because this post isn't even funny.
A couple of things:
- MPEG4 is not a 3D graphics standard
- MPEG4 is used to encode moving pictures
- MPEG4 will not make 3D graphics faster if used
- I wonder what drugs you are on..
2 Million per company per year! My god, shows how much big companies like apple can throw around. That's more than the my companies total profit for the year. LOL.
On top of this ID don't make fabulous games. They make engines. They sell these engine to companies who don't make ports to linux. However with something like WineX, you can play these games out of the box. What exactly was the ddlings's point?
Can anybody who works for or near BT management explain exactly what goes on in these poeple's heads?
I mean are BT totally clueless? How could they possibly win such a case... Unless of course they want to run the other company into the ground. Don't you love it when companies stop innovating to compete and instead litigate.
Not it's not... It's slow for GUI but is comparable to C in server applications.
If you are going to write a MMORPG, the use Java and not C#. C# is a bloated piece of MS crap.
Or better still implement a client server architecture using C++ . My God man, use something lean and mean!
While were splitting hairs....
That's by no means a constant, rather a mean or average of a group of values.
This is by no means accurate, anaything can throw the values off (OS, System, Hardware, or disks). This is really a wastes of time, in it's current form, needs more thought.
Their recording equipment consists of laptops that are networked. Wouldn't the packet first need to hit the network iterface, be decoded. Hit the pci bus hit the CPU, hit the software, run through the os, to the bash process to be displayed on the bash console?
Doesn't sound very accurate to me.
3G can be used for internet access. You plug a 3G client card into your desktop and anywhere you go, where you have 3G coverage, you have a fast wireless network connection.
Who doesn't want that!
Maybe publicity is the last thing they want. 3G has been labeled vaporware many times over, this could hurt them is they don't get it right.
What we are seriously talking about here is migration. WINE is excellent at this. This is what we want. Get more people over to Linux, and don't force them to trash their existing software. If I buy a software package for Windows and I can run it on Linux, it seems very attractive to shift.
When I first thought about moving to linux, back a while now, the one gripe was that I wanted to run Half-Life as I loved that game. Then wine matured and I actually could. I dropped Windows like a rock and move to Linux.. There's got to be more people like that out there.
I'd say so... not entirely, you are right. Most Windows users will stick with what they got. This is ofcourse unless they get sick of M$ crap.
BTW: There's a grammatical error in your sig, and Kevin Smith shouldn't talk because his films are a pile of crap now anyway, his only good film was clerks.