I never said it was easy to do... well easy to do if your working towards uploading a large file to you idisk... it hard, as it should be, to just panic the kernal just trying to.
The ability to build XNU (OSX's kernel) with the tools on the developer CD
Have you checked out Building the XNU on Mac OS X 10.1.1 f(for mortals) With that pointed out... Apple should make the different parts of darwnin easier to check out (find the latest working code... Apple-201-5 is the xnu for 10.1.1 make sence to you?)... oh and it would be nice to have the cvs reflect the current state of xnu development... instead of being a week or two behind private workings at apple.
But you are a brain-dead fool if you believe you need TinkerTool to show file extensions in the Finder.
I never said you need TinkerTool to see file extensions... I figured I should mention it... after all you just might learn something... just like you thought I didn't have or know (i could) how to turn on file extensions... hey I even have a nice toolbar that I set up the way I want... I am more than willing to bet I have used OS X far longer than you... heck I go back to the Server X 1.0 days...
one sure fire way is to copy a large file via the finder to your idisk (not connectiong via afp) OS X should will stall... if you try to unmount the disk... the finder will stall... mucking with the terminal should let you restart the finder (after you kill the old one) then if you try to do something else in the finder you should then get a kernal panic...
thats the basic steps... for a sure file kernal panic
Yeap... what new things 10.2 will bring... then at MWNY apple will give away the update cd to users at the show... everyone else can get it from store.apple.com for 19.99 or compusa next month for free (read.01 for CompUSA inventory) while supplies last (read 10 copies per store).
hey this is slashdot... the anti-anything but linux site... why not bring linux in? I personally hate linux... which was supposed to take over the MS desktop what was it last year... and the year before... just wanting to point something out.
Wow lucky you... my experience with (1) 266 beige g3 (1) 266 wallstreet (1) iBook (1) imac dv (1) 733 G4
Has had multiple crashes... kernel panics... and other issues...
I love OS X... thats all I use... thats all I have used since, well I received my OS X cd ahead of the release date... but crashes to happen and when OS X does crash it can lead to some nasty things.
For instance, one crash took out an entire HD's data... thats right... every last file had problems... it was so bad I had to reformat the HD (same day I got my hands on 10.1 so it wasn't to bad.)
Even with apples Open Source problems (and I think many do exist... such has the inability for apple to make portions of the darwin project developer friendly) OS X is a great start for a new platform (OS X really is a new platform)
Do this select some file with a.xzy ending... change what program opens it... that file... now open it... open another file with a.xyz file extension... that file will not change associations till unless you tell os x to change that file association for all files.
ox x still has a kind and creater type that sets the the fill associations... (with that said yes I also know that when one adds a file extension to folders you can change what the folder is like adding.pkg changes the file to a package)
/rant/ Hey did you know of a tool called TinkerTool... now TinkerTool2... yea you might think everyone is a brain dead fool... but not everyone is... don't jump to assume no one knows how to turn on file extensions....
FYI, Yes OS X does have extensions... but one dosn't really need them... you can still open Word documents with out a.doc (infact thats the Word default and not.doc) apples little text editor dosn't add.rtf to the end of files...
Mac users use gigE... if you have a network of G4's why not? Anyway your not talking user gigE when your build a comparable system.... no one really uses a floppy drives nowadays... but you still pay for the drives. You have to factor in the gigE. In the 2,999 is gigE so factor that out to 10/100 and you get a lower price point... yes or no?
Just a small note... PowerMac G4's don't have slow 10/100 NIC's they have gigabit-ethernet.
To me I would say my mac is a better value than a PC. Everyone forgets one thing... the user... what the user likes the best... just like in mastercard ads what a user likes and wants is priceless.
>This, of course, from the same company that used
>to let you drag the whole OS to the trash bin and
>delete it...
Dear Writter,
Your dumb. You can't delete the full OS under 9.x by draging the system folder to the trash... you will mess your system up yes... and under 10.x good luck.
So what makes a Linux backend system any better than commercial Unixes like Solaris, AIX and HPUX to host their RDBMSes? What make a Linux backend system any better than a BSD system? (after all it is free too)
Not a dam thing.... other than the company can say they are fully buzzword compliant. Linux users are usually confused, they adopt Linux because it's popular "and cool" and hide their ignorance in completely subjective reasons like the license or some technical merit that they heard about but they don't really understand. Companies tend to careless about what popular and cool and tend to stay with what works from them. That's all that maters.
I want to say this once more a company running Linux isn't any better than a company running a commercial Unixes. (I don't care if the guy delivering my pizza drives a BMW or a Pinto I just want my pizza) I know the common response of how linux saves money... how linux is this and that... btw last time I checked most free Unixes are a hobbies passion of love and not really meant for mission-critical applications (god just think what NASA is running on)
I know I will get moded down for this post cause I don't hail the flag of tuxs... that's fine but for those who do actually read this (and use linux) think about why your a linux user... first it might have been cause you heard about this free UNIX like os, then it might have been its not microsoft, then it might have been to one up your friends.
its said if you have mutiple partitions... have spaces in your hd partaition name... and have removed iTunes 1.1 and ran the orginal 2.0 installer then you would loose your data.
the basic syntax to actually download a file (in a useful form is)
curl -O url
To get the developer tools for 10.1 (not 10.0.x version) you need to either buy 10.1, buy the 19.99 update to 10.1 or download the free tools from ADC. (which has been stated before)
"because putting a machine to sleep actually works"
Umm not ture... I have a 733 QuickSilver... no pci cards or anything like that... under 10.0.4 I was able to sleep just fine. Under 10.1 I can not put my system to sleep... well I can once then when I wake up I have a kernel task that uses up 55% of the cpu and eventually kills all apps from running or launching... I can not ssh into the box and I can not shut it down.
BTW: Yellow Dog Linux, SuSe, or LinuxPPC does not run on older PCI macs...
personally i would rather see bsd on the PS2.... I suppose I should wait for the gamecube running mac os x... after all it looks like a mac... has a ppc chip... ati graphics card... sounds like a mac...
but i do wonder if writing opensource software to run on only one kernel is a good thing or not.... isn't the whole idea of the gnu project and open source is to provide tools for users to use no mater what they use for an os... this to me is linux zelats trying to be like bill.
He thats what I think on this... what do you think? How is this really good?
Let me take a crack at that... would the correct answer be.... BSD/OS running Apache 1.1.3?
In fact looking at the top 10 I only see *BSD... what else would you expect? iPod? In all reality I have no idea what this has to do with the iPod... but I thought someone should point you in the right direction.
Slashdot Mirror
Err... correct me if I am wrong, but if you login as >console why are you paying for Mac OS X? You would be better off running darwin.
Just close up shop send all the code to /dev/null/ thats what I would do.
I never said it was easy to do... well easy to do if your working towards uploading a large file to you idisk... it hard, as it should be, to just panic the kernal just trying to.
Have you checked out Building the XNU on Mac OS X 10.1.1 f(for mortals) With that pointed out... Apple should make the different parts of darwnin easier to check out (find the latest working code... Apple-201-5 is the xnu for 10.1.1 make sence to you?)... oh and it would be nice to have the cvs reflect the current state of xnu development... instead of being a week or two behind private workings at apple.
I never said you need TinkerTool to see file extensions... I figured I should mention it... after all you just might learn something... just like you thought I didn't have or know (i could) how to turn on file extensions... hey I even have a nice toolbar that I set up the way I want... I am more than willing to bet I have used OS X far longer than you... heck I go back to the Server X 1.0 days...
you mean binary code? Someone posted the "direct" url over at osx.macn.com (http://palm-heva.www.conxion.com/PalmDesktopMac40 ENG.si)
one sure fire way is to copy a large file via the finder to your idisk (not connectiong via afp) OS X should will stall... if you try to unmount the disk... the finder will stall... mucking with the terminal should let you restart the finder (after you kill the old one) then if you try to do something else in the finder you should then get a kernal panic...
thats the basic steps... for a sure file kernal panic
Yeap... what new things 10.2 will bring... then at MWNY apple will give away the update cd to users at the show... everyone else can get it from store.apple.com for 19.99 or compusa next month for free (read .01 for CompUSA inventory) while supplies last (read 10 copies per store).
hey this is slashdot... the anti-anything but linux site... why not bring linux in? I personally hate linux... which was supposed to take over the MS desktop what was it last year... and the year before... just wanting to point something out.
Wow lucky you... my experience with
(1) 266 beige g3
(1) 266 wallstreet
(1) iBook
(1) imac dv
(1) 733 G4
Has had multiple crashes... kernel panics... and other issues...
I love OS X... thats all I use... thats all I have used since, well I received my OS X cd ahead of the release date... but crashes to happen and when OS X does crash it can lead to some nasty things.
For instance, one crash took out an entire HD's data... thats right... every last file had problems... it was so bad I had to reformat the HD (same day I got my hands on 10.1 so it wasn't to bad.)
Even with apples Open Source problems (and I think many do exist... such has the inability for apple to make portions of the darwin project developer friendly) OS X is a great start for a new platform (OS X really is a new platform)
Err.... I do have file extensions turned on.
.xzy ending... change what program opens it... that file... now open it... open another file with a .xyz file extension... that file will not change associations till unless you tell os x to change that file association for all files.
.pkg changes the file to a package)
Do this select some file with a
ox x still has a kind and creater type that sets the the fill associations... (with that said yes I also know that when one adds a file extension to folders you can change what the folder is like adding
/rant/
Hey did you know of a tool called TinkerTool... now TinkerTool2... yea you might think everyone is a brain dead fool... but not everyone is... don't jump to assume no one knows how to turn on file extensions....
Apple Vapor Years... ~3
MS Vapor Years... ~6
Linux Vapor Year... still counting
If you didn't know Mac OS X info can be found at http://www.apple.com/macosx/ you can also buy OS X from http://store.apple.com/
I just wish some linux script kiddies want-a-be's get a life... it gets old sometimes
FYI, Yes OS X does have extensions... but one dosn't really need them... you can still open Word documents with out a .doc (infact thats the Word default and not .doc) apples little text editor dosn't add .rtf to the end of files...
OS X uses extensions just as much as OS 9 did.
Mac users use gigE... if you have a network of G4's why not? Anyway your not talking user gigE when your build a comparable system.... no one really uses a floppy drives nowadays... but you still pay for the drives. You have to factor in the gigE. In the 2,999 is gigE so factor that out to 10/100 and you get a lower price point... yes or no?
Just a small note... PowerMac G4's don't have slow 10/100 NIC's they have gigabit-ethernet.
To me I would say my mac is a better value than a PC. Everyone forgets one thing... the user... what the user likes the best... just like in mastercard ads what a user likes and wants is priceless.
>This, of course, from the same company that used
>to let you drag the whole OS to the trash bin and
>delete it...
Dear Writter,
Your dumb. You can't delete the full OS under 9.x by draging the system folder to the trash... you will mess your system up yes... and under 10.x good luck.
So what makes a Linux backend system any better than commercial Unixes like Solaris, AIX and HPUX to host their RDBMSes? What make a Linux backend system any better than a BSD system? (after all it is free too)
Not a dam thing.... other than the company can say they are fully buzzword compliant. Linux users are usually confused, they adopt Linux because it's popular "and cool" and hide their ignorance in completely subjective reasons like the license or some technical merit that they heard about but they don't really understand. Companies tend to careless about what popular and cool and tend to stay with what works from them. That's all that maters.
I want to say this once more a company running Linux isn't any better than a company running a commercial Unixes. (I don't care if the guy delivering my pizza drives a BMW or a Pinto I just want my pizza) I know the common response of how linux saves money... how linux is this and that... btw last time I checked most free Unixes are a hobbies passion of love and not really meant for mission-critical applications (god just think what NASA is running on)
I know I will get moded down for this post cause I don't hail the flag of tuxs... that's fine but for those who do actually read this (and use linux) think about why your a linux user... first it might have been cause you heard about this free UNIX like os, then it might have been its not microsoft, then it might have been to one up your friends.
(end or my off the wall rant)
its said if you have mutiple partitions... have spaces in your hd partaition name... and have removed iTunes 1.1 and ran the orginal 2.0 installer then you would loose your data.
the basic syntax to actually download a file (in a useful form is)
curl -O url
To get the developer tools for 10.1 (not 10.0.x version) you need to either buy 10.1, buy the 19.99 update to 10.1 or download the free tools from ADC. (which has been stated before)
What about Lynx? or other text based broswers?
You said works on dariwn... not darwin with XFree. (since darwin is just the BSD core)
"because putting a machine to sleep actually works"
Umm not ture... I have a 733 QuickSilver... no pci cards or anything like that... under 10.0.4 I was able to sleep just fine. Under 10.1 I can not put my system to sleep... well I can once then when I wake up I have a kernel task that uses up 55% of the cpu and eventually kills all apps from running or launching... I can not ssh into the box and I can not shut it down.
BTW: Yellow Dog Linux, SuSe, or LinuxPPC does not run on older PCI macs...
I have a 604 ppc system and i can not run yellow dog on it but it sure can run NetBSD and darwin 1.4.1
personally i would rather see bsd on the PS2.... I suppose I should wait for the gamecube running mac os x... after all it looks like a mac... has a ppc chip... ati graphics card... sounds like a mac...
mac os x can do all of that...
but i do wonder if writing opensource software to run on only one kernel is a good thing or not.... isn't the whole idea of the gnu project and open source is to provide tools for users to use no mater what they use for an os... this to me is linux zelats trying to be like bill.
He thats what I think on this... what do you think? How is this really good?
Let me take a crack at that... would the correct answer be.... BSD/OS running Apache 1.1.3?
l
In fact looking at the top 10 I only see *BSD... what else would you expect? iPod? In all reality I have no idea what this has to do with the iPod... but I thought someone should point you in the right direction.
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.htm