Earlier tonight, I decided to live dangerously and upgrade my Mandrake 9 system via Cooker(save any comments about stability, please, I just wiped this a week ago anyway:)) using urpmi, a grand total of 1284 packages.
It took me about 20 minutes to download all the packages, then another 15-20 minutes for everything to install, and finally one reboot just for completness' sake. Oh, and after adding the update source, of course, all it took to do this was a simple "urpmi --auto-select"
Out of all that, I got ONE error about not being able to verify the GPG signature on a Samba package, and I was able to continue on.
Give me one good reason I should use Debian when I can upgrade my entire system this painlessly, AND have an easy install right from the start.
That may be true, but do you realize the scale of the uproar that would occur if they decided to charge for these programs? Kinda makes it a moot point....
Winamp (for example) has had over 57 million downloads....If TW wanted to have any real influence on it, such as forcing design decisions or charging for downloads, they're far too late, IMHO. Winamp doesn't even include embedded ads or anything, as far as I know.
It's not exactly what you're thinking of, but PS1 (remake) versions of FF1 and FF2 are confirmed for release in Japan last I knew. Can't imagine it'll be too long before an english version appears:)
If I remember correctly from the techno-babble of the STNG Technical Manual...
They use a form of isolinear optical chips, somehow interacting with a subspace field to operate at faster-than-light speeds and give a 150% performance increase or so....God knows how that would work, but think about the data transfer needed to say...Convert a human into or from pure energy/data in the span of 5 seconds or so, and something semi-mystical's GOT to be required, I guess:)
(Anyone with access to the manual, feel free to correct me, just working from memory:))
I still think there's no reaosn for getting upset and moaning about it, though. Heaven forbid that the editors are only human and write less than perfect copy.
I for one could really care less about the semantics of the headline, and judging from the rest of the posts so far, pretty much everyone else feels the same way.
Don't assume that things are automatically flame/trollbait just because you want something to complain about:P
And why exactly are you whining about a mistake C|Net makes on Slashdot? Go annoy them about their journalistic misteps, not us.
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"1. Rare is notorious for long delays. How will MS(who expects 5 games in 2 yrs...ha ha) deal with a company that releases games when it wants to. Only Blizzard is more tardy in the # of delays. "
I bought Mandrake 8.1 on CD too, and they installed perfectly. Maybe he should have realized he might have gotten some bad CD's, and exchanged them?
"Furthermore, since he complained about having to download CD 5 off the net,"
Umm...Assuming he was installing the PowerPack, which is 7 CD's....There's no way he could (or at least should) be downloading a CD 5 from anywhere, as the PowerPacks are only available on CD from MandrakeSoft's online store or other venues that sell Mandrake..
The only downloadable version(s) released by, as far as I know, are the 3-CD Download Edition, and the Single Network Firewall, neither of which have 5 CD's.
This guy is either lying out his arse, or has a very bad memory.
"Put aside your prejudices and know this: SuSE has a reputation for reliability; Mandrake does not."
*shrug* I've been running Mandrake for over a year now, and i'm currently running 9.0rc2, and I have NEVER had anything worse than the occasional application needing to be xkilled during normal use. Seems reliable enough to me.
Certainly better than rebooting a few times per day like in Win98.
"Granted if you're just freeloading it doesn't matter much to you personally. But you shouldn't assume that everybody else is in your shoes."
Indeed. I paid for my first copy of 8.1, downloaded 8.2, and I plan to pay again for 9.0 when the final is released. Take your own advice, eh?
I wouldn't care if they installer defaulted down to something simpler, or even just ran slow as hell.
Excuse me?
A (short, it's 2 AM here) search reveals that at least Mandrake, RedHat, Slackware, Debian, and Gentoo all can install in a text-mode, and for one, Debian can install with as little as 12 megs of RAM.
If you really can't find a machine that doesn't have at least 12 megs of RAM....Does that machine really deserve to still be in use?
Yes, reusing old equipment with Linux can be fun, and more power to you if you get it working, but grousing that modern software won't work on what (i'm guessing, from your post) is an absolute-bare-bones machine....Just isn't really warranted.
Suck it up and do a minimal amount of upgrading to get current, or do a little research and find something that will work for you....I count at least 91 different flavors on Distrowatch at the moment. .
By way of example, even 6 years ago, my Dell P200 had 64 MB of RAM, and hell, my $60 video card in this machine has 64 megs just by itself.
Personally, I'm going to put another 256 megs of RAM in this box soon, for $100 at the most (still shopping around)...Not exactly uber-expensive, and it benefits everything on my machine:)
So you think things should be intentionally difficult to install?
Maybe i'm wrong here, but that really doesn't sound like the best way to attract new users...And ideally i'd think you should be able to maintain good practices by something other than brute force/intentionally breaking the software.
Detected and mounted automagically with no config editing or kernel recompilation. All I had to do was rename the mount point to better suit my personal tastes.
New USB trackball mouse?
I plug it in, it works. Fin.
Old video card removed/New one added?
Again, worked perfectly, including 3d acceleration enabled, with no config editing or kernel stuff....It was even a completely different vendor than my old one.
Ethernet network connection?
After obtaining an IP address and other things required by my school....I clicked a few buttons in Mandrake's wizard, and i'm online with no trouble. Same with hooking up to a cable modem via a router when at my girlfriend's...Zero hassle beyond a few flicks of my finger.
Just because you think manual configuration is still the only way to do things....That doesn't make it so.
Kinda funny to note that going by current usage here at my school...That amount of total bandwidth is used by traffic incoming from outside (on average) about every 16 seconds, and outgoing traffic uses about 3 times that:):P
Makes me appriciate how good I really have it at the moment.
Re:With that last question I ask another
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This may be a suprise to you, but the American public has almost NO direct control over things like the use of nukes or the choice of US troop deployments...Whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of our local/state/federal government leaders are there because the PEOPLE wanted them to be, and as such, the elected officals directly make the decisions, not the common rabble.
It's not the best system right now, but it works, and the country hasn't dissolved into anarchy quite yet:):P.
We didn't get to be a world superpower by whining about how clueless everyone with more influence than us was, ya know?
"All your canned drinks say "made by the Coke Company" and there's nothing but Saved By The Bell or WWF on TV. "
A little about me-
I live in New York State, with a population of 18 million plus, and more specifically in Rochester, with the metro area having around 900,000 people....Not exactly a backwater, and I think i'm a fairly typical citizen for my age and school (21, RIT)
So, let's see...Looking around my room at the moment- Various drinks, with a box of Moutain Dew being the sole Pepsi/Coke product, dwarfed by a couple huge jugs of orange juice and some liter bottles of water, of all things:)
Elsewhere- Stacks of burned anime CDs and tapes outnumbering anything else I have by at least 5:1, not to mention that I can't remember the last time I watched Saved by the Bell(hasn't even been broadcast on any major stations here for at least 4 or 5 years, to my knowledge), or stayed on any station showing WWF for more than a second or two.
"As en experiment I just went and turned on my TV. Of the seven channels two of them are shwoing American programmes (Happy Days & something with Tia Carrera as Indiana Jones)."
This just makes you sound like you're looking for something to complain about....I could whine about the Japanese, Spanish, ASL(sign language), or UK stations I have in the lineup here, but I actually like watching programming not of my native country.
And no offense to you personally, but really, if Europeans and others are equating overseas reruns of old TV programming like fscking Happy Days and such to trying to force our culture down your collective throats....Something's very wrong:P
Anyway, the point of this all is- Remember that not all Americans (and really very few, relatively) are intent on cultural vandalism and exporting "shitty sitcoms"....Generalization is bad, mmkay?
Most of us love experiencing cultures other than our own, despite what big buisness may have you believe.
The other 3 sites on www.antiadblocker.com's front page are also owned by the same person...No suprise they use his product, eh?
Your friend and mine, Tim Eckel...Anyone remember the eFront debacle from last year? This guy deserves NO sympathy from anyone as far as i'm concerned.
Maybe I just don't have the mad skillz, but when I tried using it 4 or 5 months ago, NOTHING I had would run correctly after installing from the binaries...
Homeworld crashed, Starcraft had buggy screen positioning and sound, Diablo II and Freespace didn't even start up...Even ancient DOS/Win95 stuff like Lemmings, Tetrinet, The Incredible Machine, and frickin' Progress Quest crashed almost immediately:P
Forums weren't much help either- Seemed to be split between pretty techinical setting tweaks and discussions of minor problems with games already running.
Suffice to say I canceled my subscription in frustration....If anyone's had success running anything besides Quake clones when compiling from CVS, i'd love to hear some tips, though.
I'd like nothing better to eradicate Windows, but i'm sure as hell not going to pay Transgaming for the honor until the binaries work straight from install on non-QuakeClones.
"Nintendo is not moving into online gaming at all."
Then why the existence of 56K and broadband adapters on this page? Just because Nintendo hasn't formed a plan to dominate the world yet, doesn't mean they have no plans at all....
"Sorry, folks, but the mid-20s geeks who like violent and mature games are a minority. "
And you're using this as an argument why the XBox network WILL take off? When 99% of XBox games out right now are violent and/or mature? Something's wrong with this line of reasoning....
By that logic, when they get their online capabilities up and running, Nintendo should crush everyone with all the supposed "kiddie" games they have.
"...and force their competitors to follow suit or die."
Somehow I think Microsoft doesn't know what they're in for here...
First of all, Nintendo has been around as "Nintendo" for 52 years now, the basic company itself was formed before that about 110 years ago, and they've been selling and developing electronic games for around 30 years. As for Sony, from what I can find, they've had experience in selling electronics for around 50-60 years as well.
Now even with Microsoft's massive war chest, as you put it, how is that going to help against the massive mindshare and installed base(s) that Sony and Nintendo obviously have established? By example, even my mom still calls every game system I own a Playstation:P
This is a totally different situation than in the OS market, where Micro-borg can simply bully computer makers and users into using their products with threat of retaliation.
Try telling game producers stuff like that they MUST support the XBox exclusively for every game they make, or that buying a non-XBox system makes you tantamount to a criminal ala open-source, etc......Watch their stock and consumer loyalty drop like a lead weight once they start trying to bully people around.
Barring something insane like giving XBoxes away free or somesuch, I think Microsoft may have more than a little trouble dislodging the competition....They simply don't have the experience.
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Speak for yourself...
:)) using urpmi, a grand total of 1284 packages.
Earlier tonight, I decided to live dangerously and upgrade my Mandrake 9 system via Cooker(save any comments about stability, please, I just wiped this a week ago anyway
It took me about 20 minutes to download all the packages, then another 15-20 minutes for everything to install, and finally one reboot just for completness' sake. Oh, and after adding the update source, of course, all it took to do this was a simple "urpmi --auto-select"
Out of all that, I got ONE error about not being able to verify the GPG signature on a Samba package, and I was able to continue on.
Give me one good reason I should use Debian when I can upgrade my entire system this painlessly, AND have an easy install right from the start.
Oh, so almost anything non-Apple/third party has "poorly tested drivers" now?
Seems a bit presumptous to imply that, if you ask me.
Just to be a nitpicker....It's already been said multiple times that Kroupware is NOT the offical name :):P
Quite the intelligent response....
:P
And I as I said in my first post, they were all free for months/years before AOL+TW got their hands on them
Think about that before you post again, or at least log in.
That may be true, but do you realize the scale of the uproar that would occur if they decided to charge for these programs? Kinda makes it a moot point....
Winamp (for example) has had over 57 million downloads....If TW wanted to have any real influence on it, such as forcing design decisions or charging for downloads, they're far too late, IMHO. Winamp doesn't even include embedded ads or anything, as far as I know.
"I dont like time warner, but they give us Netscape / Mozilla, Winamp and ICQ for free. "
You do realize you can get these four programs without relying on Time Warner at all?
How are you set up that you would have to pay for them in the first place? They're all free for anyone to have, and have been for months/years.
Ummm...No?
Do you have any actual proof to back up this assertion?
From all i've seen, the only effect will be on graphics, not gameplay.
Approps. page-bottom quote tonight-
"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. -- W.E. Hickson "
It's not exactly what you're thinking of, but PS1 (remake) versions of FF1 and FF2 are confirmed for release in Japan last I knew. Can't imagine it'll be too long before an english version appears :)
If I remember correctly from the techno-babble of the STNG Technical Manual...
:)
:))
They use a form of isolinear optical chips, somehow interacting with a subspace field to operate at faster-than-light speeds and give a 150% performance increase or so....God knows how that would work, but think about the data transfer needed to say...Convert a human into or from pure energy/data in the span of 5 seconds or so, and something semi-mystical's GOT to be required, I guess
(Anyone with access to the manual, feel free to correct me, just working from memory
Point taken.
:P
I still think there's no reaosn for getting upset and moaning about it, though. Heaven forbid that the editors are only human and write less than perfect copy.
I for one could really care less about the semantics of the headline, and judging from the rest of the posts so far, pretty much everyone else feels the same way.
Don't assume that things are automatically flame/trollbait just because you want something to complain about
And why exactly are you whining about a mistake C|Net makes on Slashdot? Go annoy them about their journalistic misteps, not us.
"1. Rare is notorious for long delays. How will MS(who expects 5 games in 2 yrs...ha ha) deal with a company that releases games when it wants to. Only Blizzard is more tardy in the # of delays. "
:)
I think Victor Ireland of Working Designs said it best:
"Delays are temporary, but mediocrity is forever."
Although I guess Rare has proved both parts of that true lately...Not sure how that works
I bought Mandrake 8.1 on CD too, and they installed perfectly. Maybe he should have realized he might have gotten some bad CD's, and exchanged them?
"Furthermore, since he complained about having to download CD 5 off the net,"
Umm...Assuming he was installing the PowerPack, which is 7 CD's....There's no way he could (or at least should) be downloading a CD 5 from anywhere, as the PowerPacks are only available on CD from MandrakeSoft's online store or other venues that sell Mandrake..
The only downloadable version(s) released by, as far as I know, are the 3-CD Download Edition, and the Single Network Firewall, neither of which have 5 CD's.
This guy is either lying out his arse, or has a very bad memory.
"Put aside your prejudices and know this: SuSE has a reputation for reliability; Mandrake does not."
*shrug* I've been running Mandrake for over a year now, and i'm currently running 9.0rc2, and I have NEVER had anything worse than the occasional application needing to be xkilled during normal use. Seems reliable enough to me.
Certainly better than rebooting a few times per day like in Win98.
"Granted if you're just freeloading it doesn't matter much to you personally. But you shouldn't assume that everybody else is in your shoes."
Indeed. I paid for my first copy of 8.1, downloaded 8.2, and I plan to pay again for 9.0 when the final is released. Take your own advice, eh?
It's been 3 CD's for at least a year now.
I wouldn't care if they installer defaulted down to something simpler, or even just ran slow as hell.
:)
Excuse me?
A (short, it's 2 AM here) search reveals that at least Mandrake, RedHat, Slackware, Debian, and Gentoo all can install in a text-mode, and for one, Debian can install with as little as 12 megs of RAM.
If you really can't find a machine that doesn't have at least 12 megs of RAM....Does that machine really deserve to still be in use?
Yes, reusing old equipment with Linux can be fun, and more power to you if you get it working, but grousing that modern software won't work on what (i'm guessing, from your post) is an absolute-bare-bones machine....Just isn't really warranted.
Suck it up and do a minimal amount of upgrading to get current, or do a little research and find something that will work for you....I count at least 91 different flavors on Distrowatch at the moment. .
By way of example, even 6 years ago, my Dell P200 had 64 MB of RAM, and hell, my $60 video card in this machine has 64 megs just by itself.
Personally, I'm going to put another 256 megs of RAM in this box soon, for $100 at the most (still shopping around)...Not exactly uber-expensive, and it benefits everything on my machine
So you're saying running X, etc. ran fine before, and with later iterations, it....Still runs fine? What exactly is wrong here?
Unless you install Linux for a living, you have way too much time on your hands if you're complaining soley about the installer speed....
So you think things should be intentionally difficult to install?
Maybe i'm wrong here, but that really doesn't sound like the best way to attract new users...And ideally i'd think you should be able to maintain good practices by something other than brute force/intentionally breaking the software.
I beg to differ...
New hard drive added?
Detected and mounted automagically with no config editing or kernel recompilation. All I had to do was rename the mount point to better suit my personal tastes.
New USB trackball mouse?
I plug it in, it works. Fin.
Old video card removed/New one added?
Again, worked perfectly, including 3d acceleration enabled, with no config editing or kernel stuff....It was even a completely different vendor than my old one.
Ethernet network connection?
After obtaining an IP address and other things required by my school....I clicked a few buttons in Mandrake's wizard, and i'm online with no trouble. Same with hooking up to a cable modem via a router when at my girlfriend's...Zero hassle beyond a few flicks of my finger.
Just because you think manual configuration is still the only way to do things....That doesn't make it so.
Kinda funny to note that going by current usage here at my school...That amount of total bandwidth is used by traffic incoming from outside (on average) about every 16 seconds, and outgoing traffic uses about 3 times that :):P
Makes me appriciate how good I really have it at the moment.
This may be a suprise to you, but the American public has almost NO direct control over things like the use of nukes or the choice of US troop deployments...Whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of our local/state/federal government leaders are there because the PEOPLE wanted them to be, and as such, the elected officals directly make the decisions, not the common rabble.
:):P.
It's not the best system right now, but it works, and the country hasn't dissolved into anarchy quite yet
We didn't get to be a world superpower by whining about how clueless everyone with more influence than us was, ya know?
"All your canned drinks say "made by the Coke Company" and there's nothing but Saved By The Bell or WWF on TV. "
:)
:P
A little about me-
I live in New York State, with a population of 18 million plus, and more specifically in Rochester, with the metro area having around 900,000 people....Not exactly a backwater, and I think i'm a fairly typical citizen for my age and school (21, RIT)
So, let's see...Looking around my room at the moment- Various drinks, with a box of Moutain Dew being the sole Pepsi/Coke product, dwarfed by a couple huge jugs of orange juice and some liter bottles of water, of all things
Elsewhere- Stacks of burned anime CDs and tapes outnumbering anything else I have by at least 5:1, not to mention that I can't remember the last time I watched Saved by the Bell(hasn't even been broadcast on any major stations here for at least 4 or 5 years, to my knowledge), or stayed on any station showing WWF for more than a second or two.
"As en experiment I just went and turned on my TV. Of the seven channels two of them are shwoing American programmes (Happy Days & something with Tia Carrera as Indiana Jones)."
This just makes you sound like you're looking for something to complain about....I could whine about the Japanese, Spanish, ASL(sign language), or UK stations I have in the lineup here, but I actually like watching programming not of my native country.
And no offense to you personally, but really, if Europeans and others are equating overseas reruns of old TV programming like fscking Happy Days and such to trying to force our culture down your collective throats....Something's very wrong
Anyway, the point of this all is- Remember that not all Americans (and really very few, relatively) are intent on cultural vandalism and exporting "shitty sitcoms"....Generalization is bad, mmkay?
Most of us love experiencing cultures other than our own, despite what big buisness may have you believe.
If you look at whois entries for www.antiadblocker.com, www.arcadeathome.com, and not to mention the sites referenced on AntiAdBlocker's front page-
Registrant:
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888-800-8000
Domain Name: ANTIADBLOCKER.COM
Adminstrative Contact:
Technologies, Gecko gecko@buckeye-express.com
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Technologies, Gecko gecko@buckeye-express.com
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The other 3 sites on www.antiadblocker.com's front page are also owned by the same person...No suprise they use his product, eh?
Your friend and mine, Tim Eckel...Anyone remember the eFront debacle from last year? This guy deserves NO sympathy from anyone as far as i'm concerned.
Anyone else had nothing but trouble with WineX?
:P
Maybe I just don't have the mad skillz, but when I tried using it 4 or 5 months ago, NOTHING I had would run correctly after installing from the binaries...
Homeworld crashed, Starcraft had buggy screen positioning and sound, Diablo II and Freespace didn't even start up...Even ancient DOS/Win95 stuff like Lemmings, Tetrinet, The Incredible Machine, and frickin' Progress Quest crashed almost immediately
Forums weren't much help either- Seemed to be split between pretty techinical setting tweaks and discussions of minor problems with games already running.
Suffice to say I canceled my subscription in frustration....If anyone's had success running anything besides Quake clones when compiling from CVS, i'd love to hear some tips, though.
I'd like nothing better to eradicate Windows, but i'm sure as hell not going to pay Transgaming for the honor until the binaries work straight from install on non-QuakeClones.
*sigh*
:P
"Nintendo is not moving into online gaming at all."
Then why the existence of 56K and broadband adapters on this page? Just because Nintendo hasn't formed a plan to dominate the world yet, doesn't mean they have no plans at all....
"Sorry, folks, but the mid-20s geeks who like violent and mature games are a minority. "
And you're using this as an argument why the XBox network WILL take off? When 99% of XBox games out right now are violent and/or mature? Something's wrong with this line of reasoning....
By that logic, when they get their online capabilities up and running, Nintendo should crush everyone with all the supposed "kiddie" games they have.
"...and force their competitors to follow suit or die."
Somehow I think Microsoft doesn't know what they're in for here...
First of all, Nintendo has been around as "Nintendo" for 52 years now, the basic company itself was formed before that about 110 years ago, and they've been selling and developing electronic games for around 30 years. As for Sony, from what I can find, they've had experience in selling electronics for around 50-60 years as well.
Now even with Microsoft's massive war chest, as you put it, how is that going to help against the massive mindshare and installed base(s) that Sony and Nintendo obviously have established? By example, even my mom still calls every game system I own a Playstation
This is a totally different situation than in the OS market, where Micro-borg can simply bully computer makers and users into using their products with threat of retaliation.
Try telling game producers stuff like that they MUST support the XBox exclusively for every game they make, or that buying a non-XBox system makes you tantamount to a criminal ala open-source, etc......Watch their stock and consumer loyalty drop like a lead weight once they start trying to bully people around.
Barring something insane like giving XBoxes away free or somesuch, I think Microsoft may have more than a little trouble dislodging the competition....They simply don't have the experience.