I live in campberwell (near Brixton), South London. It has a high crime rate - especially muggings. It has alot of CCTV cameras. AFAIK, i am filmed by at least 12 cameras on my 5 minute walk to/from work.
I have been mugged on my way home from work. Alot of the people I work with have been mugged (perhaps 1/4 - and yes, there is a tendancy for WASPs and/or foreign nationals to be targetted). However, despite the cameras, not one single culprit for the muggings I know of have been caught.
Why not?
1. The muggers already know where the cameras are. I was mugged on my own resedential street, perhaps the only place on my way home where I am not under servaillance. A friend was mugged in a park.
2. The muggers tend to wear baseball caps and hooded tops at the same time, pretty much obscuring their face altogethor - especially at night, with there heads held down, looking towards the ground (remeber where most cameras are mounted...)
3. The police are severely underfunded (perhaps too much money on cameras eh?). I would much rather see (as would a large majority of people) patrolling police officers, which offers a much better detternt than any camera. Also, the police dont have the money/resources to chase up many muggings.
Anyway, perhaps if you read the applied autonomy README:
http://www.appliedautonomy.com/isee/info.html
This may provide a few other points of the problems with CCTV, and why what they are doing is a good idea.
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Hey Luser,
Jus cos my 2.5GHz Beast kicks your lame-ass 386 dont mean u have to git all defensive. Hah! You really a dumb-ass llama, wasting your time learning cruddy academic unix script shite.
VB kicks ass.
I learn two weeks and I already make Goatse.vbs, no7 on this weeks Symantic chart. Yeah, beat that with your cruddy Pearl or Boa shite...
Doh... I read the non-paragraph version, thinking jeez, why cant this guy break his post up to make it easier to read? Oh well....
OK OK OK you win... agreed. I guess by the sounds of this they have open sourced some of the game. I dont know which parts, but you would guess the more low-level stuff, so other people can build on top of it. Yes, this is the way linux should go. OS kernel + libraries + essential unix apps etc.... but then yeah, if you want someone to give you a really slick desktop or ace FPS or whatever, its fair enough that they charge for it, keep the source code & reap the rewards of their hardwork. Yes, I dont see any other way for Linux World Domination(tm). But then again... we have to be careful with this. Dont want to generate a new MS. Aswell as keeping all the low-level stuff Open, things like file specifications should be Open (XML, whatever) to stop ppl being "locked" into a certain product and ever spiralling liscense charges. Anyway.... what were we talking about again? Oh Fuc... forgot to put those darn paragraph breaks in;-)
Not sure your making sense man....
In xbill (a crappy game, if ever ther is one), Gates is the enemy. Therefore it is an anti-MS game, and could possibly be intepreted as a pro-OS game. I'm sure nobodys complained against this usage of Bill because it isnt worth it.... if they had used Bill Gates as an end-of-level bad guy in e.g Quake, it may have been a different matter. Alternatively, in tuxracer you play (by default) as the penguin. Therefore the penguin is "the hero" or "goodguy". Therefore, this could be considered a pro-linux - and by proxy - a pro OS game. I think this is a valid point.
Yes, it would be rather a travesty to have the GNU mascot as a character in their aswell..... if they did i might have to start a website campaign or tuxracer.die.die.die newsgroup or something/joke
Agreed. It does seem a little contradictary using the linux mascot in a closed source game. I had allways considered this game to be carrying the "linux banner" in the gaming world, but now it seems to carrying it in a different direction. Not that I am against closed source, but just doesnt seem right on this occasion.
Anyways, to be honest, Super Mario Kart will allways be the best cart racing game - man, how many hours did we wast at Uni on this game. Ahh... those were the days - tokin' through the night with winner stays on SMK.
So, forget tuxracer - download yourself a SNES emulator (there are plenty e.g http://www.snes9x.com/ ) and a SMK ROM & enjoy....
There are ANTS in the Amazonas region which domesticated a certain sort of fungi to create food from leaves. Are ANTS non natural, godlike, super beings ?
No. Ants are still subject to natural selection. They have evolved these stratagies through a Darwinian process, due to the selective advantage. The point I am trying to make is that we humans have evolved beyond a point of conforming to the rules of natural selection, and are now applying our own selection criteria on many aspects of the planet.
However I do concede that this argument is probably not as trivial as I make it out to be (or your original post made it out to be).
And why should we recreate this tiger ? Good Question. Because we can?
Could YOU tell a Tasmanian tiger from an Indian one ? Yep. You should take a look at the pictures. Looks more like a dog. Anyone actually know about the natural history of this thing? Doesnt look like cat family at all.
Would it look really different for humans ? Yes. See above.
No, this is just a waste of resources. I do agree, it probably is. You could argue that with alot of stuff though. Although this does seem particularly poitless, yes. Also, I really do not beleive for a split second that they will actually achieve what they are saying.
I might a perhaps a good cloning/gene manipulation test, but that's all. Exactly. Thats the point I was originally trying to make. Any potential benifits from this are probably going to come from the process rather than the result.
we are predators that means that we KILL species. And species which aren't fit enough to avoid this treat will be annihilated.
But this IS nature. This is not "artificial" or even "bad".
I am sorry, but you rhetoric is non-sensical and offtopic. So species unable to survive should be left to go extinct? Including those completely evolutionary maladaptations such as dogs, cats, cows, sheep. Without man, they would be long extinct. Hell, without man they wouldnt even exist. And thats what we do - us Homo Sapiens - we meddle. Play with things. Make mistakes (and learn from them). Make discoveries (and learn from them. Play god (and learn from it).
The example of domesticated animals is not even the start of it. I look out into my garden, and it is a completely unnatural scene. There is no real "wildlife" or "nature" or "natural selection" out there.... Just human selection. It is landscaped, supporting plants and flowers that should be long extinct, and arent even native to this country. In fact, some of the plants are abberitions of nature - hybrids of species from distant corners of the planet, that would never, ever exist in nature.
These eco-freaks
Who mentioned eco-freaks?? I thought they were scientists.... meddling as they always do. Maybe something will come of it - certainly we have learnt alot from nature in the last few years: Aerodynamics from Bee flight. Anti-barnicle ship-lining from dolphins. Medicines from deadly plants ("pharming"). Who knows what we may learn from the expereince of bringing back species from the dead?
Yes, you may ask why bring back the tasmanian tiger? I guess it is the same answer to why we are so protective of giant panders (oooh they are so cute - da Kids really love 'em). I guess it is also the same answer to the question of why, where i live, the cute little doormouse is a protected species but the black rat isnt - despite the fact there are less Black rats.
Its called Human Selection, and there aint anything natural about it. I guess we are god on this planet, and we certainly act like it. Lets not start pretending we are really a part of the Darwinian sytle Natural Selection.
...A logical, heirarchical, "tree" like structure. Accessed by small, simple but powerful commands. These commands can be chained and linked in an abritarily complex fashion. Allowing you to, for example, view all files in a convineint, time stamped fashion - exactly like scopeware. In fact, the flexibility and exstensibility of access to the system is limited purely by your own intelligence & imagination (pretty limited in my case then...). All people are both more intelligent, and more imaginitive than even the smartest computer. Therefore, untill this changes, I would prefer to hold the power in the organistation of my own computer.
Incidently, I am this }{ close to losing the GUI alltogethor. With the fantastic (but slightly unwiedly)mplayer, and Q3 now working from the CLI, I see little purpose (personally) for those quaint little GUIs.
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Erm. Quake? Whats that....
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Actually, they did breed a new dalmation without any spots a while ago (true - although it does sound a bit disneyfied; link any1?). not sure how they did it - it was either flashing the bios, or using hot-swappable scsi spots i think
I think your right. It is probably journalist pre-release review copies which make it out there. I have recently got hold of a number of albums before release, without much hassle at all (Aphex twin, radiohead, pulp...).
Therefore the record companies would probably be more wise to somehow digitally fingerprint each cd handed out to journo's, so they could then figure out which journalists were loading it up on kazaa or whatever.
Now if we could only convince the record companies to release Michael Jackson, Natalie Imbruglia & N'Sync on these "transparant" disks, the world would be a much, much better place...
This is a pretty good discussion of the whole debacle for The register.
No, Alan Cox is not pro non-disclosure. But it does seem to have been an unintended side affect of his swipe at the DMCA
Have to agree with most of what you are saying - in fact you took the words out of my head!
Stephen King, especially over here in England (because we are, like, intilectually superior to americans or something) consider King a trash horror writer, a $6.99 purchase from the airport magazine store to make the 10 hours home go a little quicker. Although I am not particularly fond of King's work (not my genre...), I do think he will eventually be hailed as a master. I particularly enjoy the way he makes mid-west america (think stand by me, insomnia) come alive. I have never physically been to the mid-west, but thanks to King, i have been there. Yeah his prose isn't fantastic - its pretty much published how it comes out of his head, but that gives it an immidiacy you just dont get with more considered authors. This style is remeniscint of Asimov and Raymond Chandler, both of whom were considered trash writers by certain academics, but are now considered classic writers.
Anyway, they will be using his material in Eng. Lit. bachelors, people will write phd thesis' about his work, and he will be published as a penguin classic and remebered for a long, long time.
OMFG, i just realised how all these gushing is a bit extreme for an author i dont even particularly like
In fact, my favourite author is probably Douglas Hofstadter. Godel, Escher, Bach changed my philosophical outlook a fscking hugely ridiculous amount. It also changed the way I work, and think, as a scientist. I think this book will still be discussed centuries from now. It will go down as a classic philosophical text.
Hate to sound like a scaremongerer, but this story on bbc seemed appropriate.
Basically, a couple of weeks back this guy was playing paintball and got shot in the back of the head. 10 days later he died from a stroke. He had a history of migraines & high blood pressure.
Anyway, I can think of far more dangerous hobbies (apparantly, the most dangerous past-times in the uk are horse-riding followed by fishing!), but if you are paranoid and/or think you may be susceptible to this kind of thing you might want to think about staying at home instead... or at least use adequate protection.
...Sorry about the lecture - but can't help feeling for the guys family..
And who said that quantum computers a centurys away?? You can get started on your 386 right now, courtesy of CPAN!
Also, about that eliza chatbot: there is an easier way to get started (you may have seen this in this months linux journal, non?):
$ emacs
esc
shift-X
doctor
And there you go - a psychotherapist built right into your text editor. Perfect for those times when that fscking bug makes you want to give it all up...
Anyway, next time someone complains about MS bloatware being so cheeky that they included a flight sim in a version of Excel, I shall point this out!
Mostly, it concerns the histrory of linux and the other open source software that makes it so great - sendmail, apache, Xfree86, etc.
Most of the book is (obviously) pro-OSS. However, if your in a hurry (if your anything like me in college, I get the feeling this essay has to be in tommorow;-) copy & paste those slashdot replies in QUICK) the final chapter gives a nice balanced perspective on the pro's and con's of Open Source - addressing issues such as forking, propreitery extensions of existing standards, commercial pressures, GPL violations, etc, etc.
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Where do you live? Have you been mugged recently?
I live in campberwell (near Brixton), South London. It has a high crime rate - especially muggings. It has alot of CCTV cameras. AFAIK, i am filmed by at least 12 cameras on my 5 minute walk to/from work.
I have been mugged on my way home from work. Alot of the people I work with have been mugged (perhaps 1/4 - and yes, there is a tendancy for WASPs and/or foreign nationals to be targetted). However, despite the cameras, not one single culprit for the muggings I know of have been caught.
Why not?
1. The muggers already know where the cameras are. I was mugged on my own resedential street, perhaps the only place on my way home where I am not under servaillance. A friend was mugged in a park.
2. The muggers tend to wear baseball caps and hooded tops at the same time, pretty much obscuring their face altogethor - especially at night, with there heads held down, looking towards the ground (remeber where most cameras are mounted...)
3. The police are severely underfunded (perhaps too much money on cameras eh?). I would much rather see (as would a large majority of people) patrolling police officers, which offers a much better detternt than any camera. Also, the police dont have the money/resources to chase up many muggings.
Anyway, perhaps if you read the applied autonomy README:
http://www.appliedautonomy.com/isee/info.html
This may provide a few other points of the problems with CCTV, and why what they are doing is a good idea.
Hey Luser,
Jus cos my 2.5GHz Beast kicks your lame-ass 386 dont mean u have to git all defensive. Hah! You really a dumb-ass llama, wasting your time learning cruddy academic unix script shite.
VB kicks ass.
I learn two weeks and I already make Goatse.vbs, no7 on this weeks Symantic chart. Yeah, beat that with your cruddy Pearl or Boa shite...
---VBLEET---
Doh... I read the non-paragraph version, thinking jeez, why cant this guy break his post up to make it easier to read? Oh well....
;-)
OK OK OK you win... agreed. I guess by the sounds of this they have open sourced some of the game. I dont know which parts, but you would guess the more low-level stuff, so other people can build on top of it. Yes, this is the way linux should go. OS kernel + libraries + essential unix apps etc.... but then yeah, if you want someone to give you a really slick desktop or ace FPS or whatever, its fair enough that they charge for it, keep the source code & reap the rewards of their hardwork. Yes, I dont see any other way for Linux World Domination(tm). But then again... we have to be careful with this. Dont want to generate a new MS. Aswell as keeping all the low-level stuff Open, things like file specifications should be Open (XML, whatever) to stop ppl being "locked" into a certain product and ever spiralling liscense charges. Anyway.... what were we talking about again? Oh Fuc... forgot to put those darn paragraph breaks in
Not sure your making sense man....
/joke
In xbill (a crappy game, if ever ther is one), Gates is the enemy. Therefore it is an anti-MS game, and could possibly be intepreted as a pro-OS game. I'm sure nobodys complained against this usage of Bill because it isnt worth it.... if they had used Bill Gates as an end-of-level bad guy in e.g Quake, it may have been a different matter. Alternatively, in tuxracer you play (by default) as the penguin. Therefore the penguin is "the hero" or "goodguy". Therefore, this could be considered a pro-linux - and by proxy - a pro OS game. I think this is a valid point.
Yes, it would be rather a travesty to have the GNU mascot as a character in their aswell..... if they did i might have to start a website campaign or tuxracer.die.die.die newsgroup or something
Agreed. It does seem a little contradictary using the linux mascot in a closed source game. I had allways considered this game to be carrying the "linux banner" in the gaming world, but now it seems to carrying it in a different direction. Not that I am against closed source, but just doesnt seem right on this occasion.
Anyways, to be honest, Super Mario Kart will allways be the best cart racing game - man, how many hours did we wast at Uni on this game. Ahh... those were the days - tokin' through the night with winner stays on SMK.
So, forget tuxracer - download yourself a SNES emulator (there are plenty e.g http://www.snes9x.com/ ) and a SMK ROM & enjoy....
No. Ants are still subject to natural selection. They have evolved these stratagies through a Darwinian process, due to the selective advantage. The point I am trying to make is that we humans have evolved beyond a point of conforming to the rules of natural selection, and are now applying our own selection criteria on many aspects of the planet.
However I do concede that this argument is probably not as trivial as I make it out to be (or your original post made it out to be).
And why should we recreate this tiger ?
Good Question. Because we can?
Could YOU tell a Tasmanian tiger from an Indian one ?
Yep. You should take a look at the pictures. Looks more like a dog. Anyone actually know about the natural history of this thing? Doesnt look like cat family at all.
Would it look really different for humans ?
Yes. See above.
No, this is just a waste of resources.
I do agree, it probably is. You could argue that with alot of stuff though. Although this does seem particularly poitless, yes. Also, I really do not beleive for a split second that they will actually achieve what they are saying.
I might a perhaps a good cloning/gene manipulation test, but that's all.
Exactly. Thats the point I was originally trying to make. Any potential benifits from this are probably going to come from the process rather than the result.
we are predators that means that we KILL species. And species which aren't fit enough to avoid this treat will be annihilated.
But this IS nature. This is not "artificial" or even "bad".
I am sorry, but you rhetoric is non-sensical and offtopic. So species unable to survive should be left to go extinct? Including those completely evolutionary maladaptations such as dogs, cats, cows, sheep. Without man, they would be long extinct. Hell, without man they wouldnt even exist. And thats what we do - us Homo Sapiens - we meddle. Play with things. Make mistakes (and learn from them). Make discoveries (and learn from them. Play god (and learn from it).
The example of domesticated animals is not even the start of it. I look out into my garden, and it is a completely unnatural scene. There is no real "wildlife" or "nature" or "natural selection" out there.... Just human selection. It is landscaped, supporting plants and flowers that should be long extinct, and arent even native to this country. In fact, some of the plants are abberitions of nature - hybrids of species from distant corners of the planet, that would never, ever exist in nature.
These eco-freaks
Who mentioned eco-freaks?? I thought they were scientists.... meddling as they always do. Maybe something will come of it - certainly we have learnt alot from nature in the last few years: Aerodynamics from Bee flight. Anti-barnicle ship-lining from dolphins. Medicines from deadly plants ("pharming"). Who knows what we may learn from the expereince of bringing back species from the dead?
Yes, you may ask why bring back the tasmanian tiger? I guess it is the same answer to why we are so protective of giant panders (oooh they are so cute - da Kids really love 'em). I guess it is also the same answer to the question of why, where i live, the cute little doormouse is a protected species but the black rat isnt - despite the fact there are less Black rats.
Its called Human Selection, and there aint anything natural about it. I guess we are god on this planet, and we certainly act like it. Lets not start pretending we are really a part of the Darwinian sytle Natural Selection.
Incidently, I am this }{ close to losing the GUI alltogethor. With the fantastic (but slightly unwiedly)mplayer, and Q3 now working from the CLI, I see little purpose (personally) for those quaint little GUIs.
A mouse is what you play Quake with.
no no no no no.
look at their web page.
from the pictures, it is quite clearly penis linux distribution
Um, they register with an isp. send a load of spam. get kicked off isp. QED
OK, this probably doesnt account for all of this, but i guess it accounts for some.
Yes, this is a silly comparison:
NV17M Marcus' home PC
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350MHz 200MHz
64MB 32MB
2048*1536 640*320
1 square inch 2 square feet
Erm. Quake? Whats that....
Actually, they did breed a new dalmation without any spots a while ago (true - although it does sound a bit disneyfied; link any1?). not sure how they did it - it was either flashing the bios, or using hot-swappable scsi spots i think
I think your right. It is probably journalist pre-release review copies which make it out there. I have recently got hold of a number of albums before release, without much hassle at all (Aphex twin, radiohead, pulp...).
Therefore the record companies would probably be more wise to somehow digitally fingerprint each cd handed out to journo's, so they could then figure out which journalists were loading it up on kazaa or whatever.
Now if we could only convince the record companies to release Michael Jackson, Natalie Imbruglia & N'Sync on these "transparant" disks, the world would be a much, much better place...
This is a pretty good discussion of the whole debacle for The register.
No, Alan Cox is not pro non-disclosure. But it does seem to have been an unintended side affect of his swipe at the DMCA
Stephen King, especially over here in England (because we are, like, intilectually superior to americans or something) consider King a trash horror writer, a $6.99 purchase from the airport magazine store to make the 10 hours home go a little quicker. Although I am not particularly fond of King's work (not my genre...), I do think he will eventually be hailed as a master. I particularly enjoy the way he makes mid-west america (think stand by me, insomnia) come alive. I have never physically been to the mid-west, but thanks to King, i have been there. Yeah his prose isn't fantastic - its pretty much published how it comes out of his head, but that gives it an immidiacy you just dont get with more considered authors. This style is remeniscint of Asimov and Raymond Chandler, both of whom were considered trash writers by certain academics, but are now considered classic writers.
Anyway, they will be using his material in Eng. Lit. bachelors, people will write phd thesis' about his work, and he will be published as a penguin classic and remebered for a long, long time.
OMFG, i just realised how all these gushing is a bit extreme for an author i dont even particularly like
In fact, my favourite author is probably Douglas Hofstadter. Godel, Escher, Bach changed my philosophical outlook a fscking hugely ridiculous amount. It also changed the way I work, and think, as a scientist. I think this book will still be discussed centuries from now. It will go down as a classic philosophical text.
Thanks for listening -- MB
Basically, a couple of weeks back this guy was playing paintball and got shot in the back of the head. 10 days later he died from a stroke. He had a history of migraines & high blood pressure.
Anyway, I can think of far more dangerous hobbies (apparantly, the most dangerous past-times in the uk are horse-riding followed by fishing!), but if you are paranoid and/or think you may be susceptible to this kind of thing you might want to think about staying at home instead... or at least use adequate protection.
...Sorry about the lecture - but can't help feeling for the guys family..
thanks.
i'm actually a vi man myself, which explains my long route.
anyways, we dont want to get into that discussion do we....
must get round to learning emacs one of these days (im a nix begginer, see...), but vi suits my needs for now.
Marcus
Quantum::Entaglement
And who said that quantum computers a centurys away?? You can get started on your 386 right now, courtesy of CPAN!
Also, about that eliza chatbot: there is an easier way to get started (you may have seen this in this months linux journal, non?):
$ emacs
esc
shift-X
doctor
And there you go - a psychotherapist built right into your text editor. Perfect for those times when that fscking bug makes you want to give it all up...
Anyway, next time someone complains about MS bloatware being so cheeky that they included a flight sim in a version of Excel, I shall point this out!
GNU/eunuchs?
Well, you know what they say.... Windows without a restrictive license is like a man without.....
nevermind.
Does anyone know of a windows port of this lanux thing?
Mostly, it concerns the histrory of linux and the other open source software that makes it so great - sendmail, apache, Xfree86, etc.
Most of the book is (obviously) pro-OSS. However, if your in a hurry (if your anything like me in college, I get the feeling this essay has to be in tommorow ;-) copy & paste those slashdot replies in QUICK) the final chapter gives a nice balanced perspective on the pro's and con's of Open Source - addressing issues such as forking, propreitery extensions of existing standards, commercial pressures, GPL violations, etc, etc.
May Help
Also, what can they use to put their created sounds together into some semblance of music?
Sticky tape & Blue tac. At least that's what Aphex Twin and Matmos use.
--In fact, the Aphex Twin, lik a real man, bulds his own analogue keyboards.
--just a thought. No intent to offend, etc.
I dont think linux is more secure for this kind of thingShort Answer: Anthrax isn't a virus.
"Your comment looks too much like ascii art."
Not a bad description of BrainF*** really.... Anyway check it out on this nice little page: http://www.roesler-ac.de/wolfram/hello.htm