No, he really did, just with a different group of people. It was working people of all races who came for Trump. Trump didn't do as well with whites as Romney did, and did better with blacks, hispanics, and asians. So, yes, he got new people to the polls...but an awful lot of the 2012 Romney voters stayed home.
Well the polling methodology was also flawed. Pegging the demographics for 2016 to the demographics from 2012 is stupid during a change election. I didn't know what the numbers would be, but it seemed highly unlikely that blacks would turn out for the old white lady as much as they did Black Jesus, and whites just might have a reason to turn out in greater numbers. Again, I didn't know what the numbers would be, just saying assuming they'd be 2012 numbers is silly. Also, they poll "likely voters" and a likely voter is (depending on the survey) someone who voted recently. But Trump was bringing in new voters and people who hadn't voted in decades because nobody was speaking to the working class.
Nate Silver could have figured this out, but the polls matched his biases, so he didn't.
By my completely biased viewpoint, issues were discussed like 1% of the time and the cult of personality vs the brick and what they allegedly did over the last decades made up the other 99%.
That's the media's doing. I watched a lot of Trump rallies, and he would talk about policies he wanted to enact, on trade, on immigration, on the military. So you'd have an hour of substance, with Trump's humor thrown in because that's how you actually get people to want to listen to a speech on trade and immigration. And the media would wait for one sound bite they could take out of context and then scream "TRUMP INSULTS ALL [INSERT GROUP]!!!!" and that would dominate the news cycle for 3 days. And then people online would say "OMG Trump doesn't have any policies!" Yes he does. They're on his website. He talks about them at his rallies. But if all you were watching is CNN then Trump does nothing but scream at Mexican rapists and disabled reporters all day.
The media's been near criminal in their behavior this cycle. They've convinced half the people Trump is literally Hitler, so my FaceBook feed is full of terrified crying women who think America just elected...literally Hitler. And that half their neighbors who voted for literally Hitler are also literally Hitler. It's psychological abuse. I said this when Trump won NH and HuffPo did that ludicrous headline "NEW HAMPSHIRE GOES RACIST SEXIST XENOPHOBIC!" (literally their headline). I wondered, what are people who believe this going to think if Trump wins? Are they going to wake up and realize the media's been lying to them? Or will they now spend their days terrified because they never know which of their friendly neighbors is really a Hitler-loving monster who could murder them at any moment? Judging by my FaceBook feed, it's the later.
But the fact-checking sites are partisan propaganda, too, that nitpick anything a Republican says but gloss over anything a Democrat says because "we know what they really meant."
Jeb Bush could say "my name is Jeb Bush" and politifact would go "PANTS ON FIRE! His real name is John Ellis Bush." But Hillary could say "I personally killed Adolf Hitler" and politifact would go "well, she would have if she could have so mostly true!"
We need less people pretending to be "unbiased" and more adversarial media. There's no such thing as unbiased. Humans have biases. I read Breitbart and I know what I'm getting, I read Mother Jones and I know what I'm getting. But I turn on CNN and they're just lying to my face.
Plus 4chan trolls who wanted Trump to win spammed those "write-in Bernie" or made Jill Stein memes on twitter and facebook.
I wonder what would have happened if the mainstream media were not intentionally lying to people for months? Anyone with half a brain could look at the methodology of the polls and say "these are hilariously wrong!" I have plenty of posts in my history explaining exactly why (demographics based on 2012 elections which obviously skews towards whichever party won in 2012 plus "likely voters" are recent voters when Trump was bringing new and disaffected voters out of the woodwork). And that the purpose of the media polling was propaganda. Persuasion to drive a media narrative, so the talking head can ask the Clinton surrogate "Hildawg's absolutely killing it in the polls, why do you think her message resonates so well with gosh just everyone who isn't an evil racist bigot?" "Well Anderson, talking point 1, talking point 2..." and then asks the Trump surrogate "Polls say no one wants evil racist double mega Hitler Drumpf? How will the Republican party ever recover from hitler hitler hitler?"
If the media weren't lying and spinning stuff constantly, you'd probably have Bernie for the dems and I don't know what would have happened with that. But you might not have had Trump, either, because an awful lot of the attention Trump got was from people fed up with the media. The evolution of a Trump voter frequently went something like: hear media say Trump said something stupid -> "ha ha stupid trump" -> hear what Trump actually said -> "hey, that's not what the media said...the media's lying about...almost everything, jesus christ!" -> "fuck the media I'm voting Trump." If the media reported accurately on Republicans in general there probably wouldn't have been such hard support for Trump.
But you also have a lot of people who care more about "the other" than "us." I don't lock the door on my house because I hate the people outside, but because I love the people inside. If my doorman starts letting absolutely anybody just wander right into my place, even knowing quite a few of these people might not have my best interests at heart, and might even hate me, I kind of have to start wondering if maybe the doorman hates me too, and I need a new doorman.
I'm pretty sure the 250,000 subscribers to the Trump subreddit were not all Russian hackers. There has never been the tiniest shred of evidence that paid Russians were spreading Trump propaganda. Not a screenshot. No numbers. Nothing. Just media propaganda, more lies and deception, because one of the rules of the left is always accuse your opponent of doing whatever it is you're actually doing. Correct The Record absolutely exists. Has a webpage and FEC filing forms and everything.
I liked the way Michael Moore described him as a human hand grenade lobbed into the halls of the establishment. When he first addresses Congress we're going to need a meme with that line from Watchmen that goes something like "You don't understand. I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me!"
To be fair every election the map is red with tiny, deep blue dots at the cities. This time what Trump got was the countryside, plus all the factory workers abandoned by both parties.
It used to be the left and the democrats were anti-immigration (not just anti-illegal immigration, but all immigration) because they represented labor, and more people means cheaper labor. After Reconstruction black intellectuals like Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. Du Bois would write about how white business owners should hire their black countrymen who spoke their language and knew their culture rather than recently-arrived poles and others. And now the Dems are like "fuck it, open borders! Make America Mexico so long as you vote for us!" They abandoned the actual interests of the poor and working class and expected them to still give them political power. These people want jobs, laws, and borders, and do not give a fuck about screaming blue hair feminist crap.
He slaughtered everyone because working class Americans, the people who built the country and whose families have been here for generations and fought in every war got really tired of having their jobs and factories shipped off to china and their labor replaced by mass immigration of people who at best are indifferent to their culture and history and at worst are openly hostile to it, all the while being constantly shit on by sneering, moralist, bi-coastal elites. Tens of thousands of people were showing up his rallies, during the primaries. It was not cross-party dems playin' a trick on them stoopid republicans. Trump gave voice to the voiceless. He yelled, to the faces of the traitorous GOP elites everything a regular (former) factory worker yelled at his TV: fuck your wars, fuck wall street, fuck the banks, fuck foreigners (governments and illegals) and just enforce the fucking laws for once and Hillary should be in jail because any one of us who did what she did would be spending 30 years in Leavenworth. National Review said the white working class was morally bankrupt and should die, and the working class said "nah, you."
Odds are largely determined by where people are placing their bets. The house always wins...they're not guessing. Sanders has 66/1 odds because some morons actually put money there. But nobody's betting on aleppo-man, so he's got worse odds.
I think he's saying Bill's pedo ties provide motive for the left to falsely accuse Trump. That's rule #1 of the left: always accuse your opponent of whatever you're doing.
Well the right-wing rag New York Times says there's no connections between Trump and Russia. There are far more concrete ties between Hillary and Russia, and Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, etc, etc but no, no, a DNS look up from a Russian bank proves Trump is taking orders from the Kremlin. This entire election cycle lefties have gone full conspiratard, but they're awful at conspiracy theories.
Just saying something has been "debunked and disproven" doesn't make it debunked and disproven. Hillary paying people to riot/incite violence has been confirmed. So, enjoy your fantasy world where you're the good guys and not the fascists.
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Because their candidate was Dick Cheney in a pantsuit. And even more corrupt.
You mean like all the people on my FaceBook feed who said Trump was going to be prosecuted for child rape?
No, he really did, just with a different group of people. It was working people of all races who came for Trump. Trump didn't do as well with whites as Romney did, and did better with blacks, hispanics, and asians. So, yes, he got new people to the polls...but an awful lot of the 2012 Romney voters stayed home.
Well the polling methodology was also flawed. Pegging the demographics for 2016 to the demographics from 2012 is stupid during a change election. I didn't know what the numbers would be, but it seemed highly unlikely that blacks would turn out for the old white lady as much as they did Black Jesus, and whites just might have a reason to turn out in greater numbers. Again, I didn't know what the numbers would be, just saying assuming they'd be 2012 numbers is silly. Also, they poll "likely voters" and a likely voter is (depending on the survey) someone who voted recently. But Trump was bringing in new voters and people who hadn't voted in decades because nobody was speaking to the working class.
Nate Silver could have figured this out, but the polls matched his biases, so he didn't.
By my completely biased viewpoint, issues were discussed like 1% of the time and the cult of personality vs the brick and what they allegedly did over the last decades made up the other 99%.
That's the media's doing. I watched a lot of Trump rallies, and he would talk about policies he wanted to enact, on trade, on immigration, on the military. So you'd have an hour of substance, with Trump's humor thrown in because that's how you actually get people to want to listen to a speech on trade and immigration. And the media would wait for one sound bite they could take out of context and then scream "TRUMP INSULTS ALL [INSERT GROUP]!!!!" and that would dominate the news cycle for 3 days. And then people online would say "OMG Trump doesn't have any policies!" Yes he does. They're on his website. He talks about them at his rallies. But if all you were watching is CNN then Trump does nothing but scream at Mexican rapists and disabled reporters all day.
The media's been near criminal in their behavior this cycle. They've convinced half the people Trump is literally Hitler, so my FaceBook feed is full of terrified crying women who think America just elected...literally Hitler. And that half their neighbors who voted for literally Hitler are also literally Hitler. It's psychological abuse. I said this when Trump won NH and HuffPo did that ludicrous headline "NEW HAMPSHIRE GOES RACIST SEXIST XENOPHOBIC!" (literally their headline). I wondered, what are people who believe this going to think if Trump wins? Are they going to wake up and realize the media's been lying to them? Or will they now spend their days terrified because they never know which of their friendly neighbors is really a Hitler-loving monster who could murder them at any moment? Judging by my FaceBook feed, it's the later.
But the fact-checking sites are partisan propaganda, too, that nitpick anything a Republican says but gloss over anything a Democrat says because "we know what they really meant."
Jeb Bush could say "my name is Jeb Bush" and politifact would go "PANTS ON FIRE! His real name is John Ellis Bush." But Hillary could say "I personally killed Adolf Hitler" and politifact would go "well, she would have if she could have so mostly true!"
We need less people pretending to be "unbiased" and more adversarial media. There's no such thing as unbiased. Humans have biases. I read Breitbart and I know what I'm getting, I read Mother Jones and I know what I'm getting. But I turn on CNN and they're just lying to my face.
You need to kill your TV, too, though. CNN is nothing but lies.
Plus 4chan trolls who wanted Trump to win spammed those "write-in Bernie" or made Jill Stein memes on twitter and facebook.
I wonder what would have happened if the mainstream media were not intentionally lying to people for months? Anyone with half a brain could look at the methodology of the polls and say "these are hilariously wrong!" I have plenty of posts in my history explaining exactly why (demographics based on 2012 elections which obviously skews towards whichever party won in 2012 plus "likely voters" are recent voters when Trump was bringing new and disaffected voters out of the woodwork). And that the purpose of the media polling was propaganda. Persuasion to drive a media narrative, so the talking head can ask the Clinton surrogate "Hildawg's absolutely killing it in the polls, why do you think her message resonates so well with gosh just everyone who isn't an evil racist bigot?" "Well Anderson, talking point 1, talking point 2..." and then asks the Trump surrogate "Polls say no one wants evil racist double mega Hitler Drumpf? How will the Republican party ever recover from hitler hitler hitler?"
If the media weren't lying and spinning stuff constantly, you'd probably have Bernie for the dems and I don't know what would have happened with that. But you might not have had Trump, either, because an awful lot of the attention Trump got was from people fed up with the media. The evolution of a Trump voter frequently went something like: hear media say Trump said something stupid -> "ha ha stupid trump" -> hear what Trump actually said -> "hey, that's not what the media said...the media's lying about...almost everything, jesus christ!" -> "fuck the media I'm voting Trump." If the media reported accurately on Republicans in general there probably wouldn't have been such hard support for Trump.
Dubs in uid confirm praise Kek.
But you also have a lot of people who care more about "the other" than "us." I don't lock the door on my house because I hate the people outside, but because I love the people inside. If my doorman starts letting absolutely anybody just wander right into my place, even knowing quite a few of these people might not have my best interests at heart, and might even hate me, I kind of have to start wondering if maybe the doorman hates me too, and I need a new doorman.
I'm pretty sure the 250,000 subscribers to the Trump subreddit were not all Russian hackers. There has never been the tiniest shred of evidence that paid Russians were spreading Trump propaganda. Not a screenshot. No numbers. Nothing. Just media propaganda, more lies and deception, because one of the rules of the left is always accuse your opponent of doing whatever it is you're actually doing. Correct The Record absolutely exists. Has a webpage and FEC filing forms and everything.
I liked the way Michael Moore described him as a human hand grenade lobbed into the halls of the establishment. When he first addresses Congress we're going to need a meme with that line from Watchmen that goes something like "You don't understand. I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me!"
To be fair every election the map is red with tiny, deep blue dots at the cities. This time what Trump got was the countryside, plus all the factory workers abandoned by both parties.
It used to be the left and the democrats were anti-immigration (not just anti-illegal immigration, but all immigration) because they represented labor, and more people means cheaper labor. After Reconstruction black intellectuals like Booker T. Washington and W.E.B. Du Bois would write about how white business owners should hire their black countrymen who spoke their language and knew their culture rather than recently-arrived poles and others. And now the Dems are like "fuck it, open borders! Make America Mexico so long as you vote for us!" They abandoned the actual interests of the poor and working class and expected them to still give them political power. These people want jobs, laws, and borders, and do not give a fuck about screaming blue hair feminist crap.
what they care about is moot.
Not since he sold 4chan.
He slaughtered everyone because working class Americans, the people who built the country and whose families have been here for generations and fought in every war got really tired of having their jobs and factories shipped off to china and their labor replaced by mass immigration of people who at best are indifferent to their culture and history and at worst are openly hostile to it, all the while being constantly shit on by sneering, moralist, bi-coastal elites. Tens of thousands of people were showing up his rallies, during the primaries. It was not cross-party dems playin' a trick on them stoopid republicans. Trump gave voice to the voiceless. He yelled, to the faces of the traitorous GOP elites everything a regular (former) factory worker yelled at his TV: fuck your wars, fuck wall street, fuck the banks, fuck foreigners (governments and illegals) and just enforce the fucking laws for once and Hillary should be in jail because any one of us who did what she did would be spending 30 years in Leavenworth. National Review said the white working class was morally bankrupt and should die, and the working class said "nah, you."
Breitbart actually is run by Jews, and is pro-Israel. The anti-Semites who want the Palestinians to overrun Israel are on the left.
I see that as a plus.
It means it's not an "organic demonstration." It's just more Soros thugs.
No. Stop. Don't.
Odds are largely determined by where people are placing their bets. The house always wins...they're not guessing. Sanders has 66/1 odds because some morons actually put money there. But nobody's betting on aleppo-man, so he's got worse odds.
I think he's saying Bill's pedo ties provide motive for the left to falsely accuse Trump. That's rule #1 of the left: always accuse your opponent of whatever you're doing.
Well the right-wing rag New York Times says there's no connections between Trump and Russia. There are far more concrete ties between Hillary and Russia, and Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, etc, etc but no, no, a DNS look up from a Russian bank proves Trump is taking orders from the Kremlin. This entire election cycle lefties have gone full conspiratard, but they're awful at conspiracy theories.
Just saying something has been "debunked and disproven" doesn't make it debunked and disproven. Hillary paying people to riot/incite violence has been confirmed. So, enjoy your fantasy world where you're the good guys and not the fascists.
No, you are the one who is dumb!
Correction: excepting Mormons.