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Silicon Valley Investors Call For California To Secede From the US After Trump Win (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: As Donald Trump's shock election victory reverberated around Silicon Valley late on Tuesday night, some high-profile technologists were already calling for California to secede from the United States. The broader west coast is a stronghold for the Democrats, and significantly more politically progressive and racially diverse than large swathes of central U.S. California is also the biggest economy in the U.S. and the sixth largest in the world with a gross state product of $2.496 trillion for 2015, according to the IMF. The campaign for independence -- variously dubbed Calexit, Califrexit and Caleavefornia -- has been regarded as a fringe movement. But support was revitalized by influential Uber investor and Hyperloop co-founder Shervin Pishevar, in a series of tweets announcing his plans to fund a "legitimate campaign for California to become its own nation" -- posted even before the full results were in. A few hours later, Hillary Clinton conceded the election to Trump, and Pishevar told CNBC that he was serious about Calexit. "It's the most patriotic thing I can do," he said, adding that the resulting nation would be called New California. "We can re-enter the union after California becomes a nation. As the sixth largest economy in the world, the economic engine of the nation and provider of a large percentage of the federal budget, California carries a lot of weight," he said. Pishevar was supported by others in Silicon Valley. Angel investor Jason Calacanis said that California succession would be simple in the wake of both Brexit and a Trump win. Evan Low, a Democrat serving in the California state assembly, said that he'd support the introduction of a bill to start the independence process. The proposal illustrates the technology industry's frustration with Trump over his repeated criticisms of Silicon Valley companies. Trump has said in the past that he would make Apple build computers in the U.S. He also thinks Amazon CEO "Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post to exert political power and avoid paying taxes, and claimed that Mark Zuckerberg's push for specialist immigration would actually decrease opportunities for American women and minorities." In July, 145 technology leaders wrote in an open letter about how "Trump would be a disaster for innovation."
What else can I say?
This is a little dramatic.
I'll be these same people pointed and laughed when Texans said the same thing.
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That's rich.
DaveyJJ
And drive trucks with gun racks. They chew and spit tobacco.
Left wing secessionists wear VR headsets and have dongles falling out of their pockets.
Otherwise, pretty similar.
It has to suck after you make all these of those "donations" and get nothing back in return.
They are doing everything, EVERY. GOD. DAMNED. thing they said would be unacceptable for Trump supporters to do if Hillary won.
They have NO self awareness, NONE.
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If California becomes a country, presumably one with an open southern border and an H-1B peonage system of its own, it would have to implement some form of defense department. Would it have electric dirigible aircraft, wind-powered missiles and a Department Of Hugging It Out?
You pushed for Clinton, even though Sanders was a better candidate. What did you expect?
Be seeing you...
He don't exactly do that to gain moral ground.
If anything, on one of the debates if i'm not mistaken, his point was "i know companies do it because i do it".
Trump would throw a wrench into their cheap labor and displacing jobs. Threatens their business models.
Some of the strictest sheriffs in the wild west were former outlaws. Who better to hunt tax cheats than an expert.
Last time I checked, California barely had enough water for itself.
I get that you're upset, but it just makes you look like you're throwing a temper tantrum. And this is coming from someone who lives in Texas. We were literally 2 votes away from having the motion to succeed brought before our legislature.
I don't like the idea of a Trump presidency, but have to admit I liked the idea of an HRC presidency even less.
Trump never ran on issues, just biases and fears. Be an interesting 4 years, see what he really does. Especially with his wall.
The world will go on without you. Maybe Apple could move their operations to their new 'foreign' neighbors.
Don't let it hit you in the rear end on your way out of the union! (Talk is cheap, let's see them actually do more than talk.)
As much as I despise Donald Trump, seeing these haughty Progressives eat a buffet of crows warms the cockles of my heart.
For the last 90 years, the Ivy League-armed technocrats of the Progressive apparatus have waged a relentless war against state sovereignty in their march to greater political and economic consolidation in D.C. and NYC. Only the "leadership" from the PhDs in D.C. matter, plebs. We'll control your healthcare, collude with the media to control the agenda, concentrate more power in the unelected bureaucracy that grows like a weed in Northern Virginia, and then call anyone who supports states' rights (aka federalism aka competitive sovereignty) a racist or neo-Confederate.
Fuck you. You made this bed. Now lie in it. Enjoy Trump turning the gun of the federal leviathan you created right in your face. Applauding for Obama's "I'm going it alone" screed when the Democrats lost Congress doesn't seem like a wise precedent now does it? But let's be honest: you only like democracy when it goes your way, otherwise you pout.
By the way, these same Silicon Valley assholes and California Democrats have made fun of Northern California's "State of Jefferson" secession movement for decades.
Seeing the Obama elitists go down in flames in Congress and the executive puts a big ol' smile on my face. The next blow against these Silicon Valley fucks will be the bursting of the zero percent interest rate bubble blown by the Fed (another wonderful gift from the Progressives), which will wipe out the GAAP non-profitable bullshit "app" companies in the Valley. (This is probably why they hate Trump, though: he's mentioned that we're in a bubble and it's the Fed's fault.)
Truthfully, though, the Democratic party and the country would be better off if they did leave. As long as the Dems in the Bay Area foist Pelosi, Boxer, and Harris on the rest of the republic, the party will be repugnant to most of the Rust Belt and places like New Hampshire, where citizens still value freedom and being left the fuck alone.
I wonder how much of the Colorado river water southern California would get if Arizona and Nevada had all the Congressional votes that applied? Secede, sure, and be sure to prepare for the ensuing Water Wars.
... some high-profile technologists were already calling for California to secede from the United States.
It's nice to see they've remained well-rooted in reality.
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The US Civil War was fought to decide this issue. States cannot secede from the US. Investors aren't stupid, so what are they trying to show? That they think we must be? That they'll throw money at anything drawing attention to their displeasure with the president-elect?
That making a hyperbolic proposition as an opening is just part of the art of the deal?
Take off, every Hoser
But also against idiots like this doing it as a wah wah against Trump becoming president.
America as a defense pact makes sense. America as a single governing entity hasn't made sense since it was still the 13 colonies, and makes even less sense today between the vehement ideological differences across different parts of the US, the corruption and graft at all levels of federal government. All the pork barrel spending and incompetent programs that have resulted, in large part due to backroom deals to 'make it happen' while driving local industry with component manufacture that should really be consolidated into the same geographical region, etc.
California or the Cascadia region splitting off into its own state(s)/country could be exactly what this country needs. Cutting off both federal aid to the western blue states, as well as cutting off those states' tax base from the US economy might be a wake up call for both sides over what advantages the other offers, while also helping to shake up a number of issues due to complacency and corruption. Lack of federal spending in California means the interstate highways and other roads will need to locally maintained, something California is entirely capable of, but which has been neglected due to a preference for federal funds (at the expense of other things like drinking/smoking age, which may stay where they are, but were in part raised in order to keep getting federal funding.)
An added bonus: separation of California from the US could be used to segregate the western and eastern seaboard entertainment industries, whose decline has been in part due to media companies gobbling up industry members on both coasts. If secession takes place and restrictions are put in place, we may see a new influx of creativity in the industry which hasn't been seen since the move west to avoid the patents in the early part of the last century.
Downsides to it is less trust in the US Dollar, political uncertainty worldwide, and the possibility of Russia/China taking it as an opportunity to project military force while the weakened US is distracted.
Personally I think it is still worth the risk, especially if California undoes some of the shortcomings the Clinton/Bush era feds did with decommissioning bases in California (notably the entire Sacramento region, which had dozens of army, reserve, and air force bases sold off to private parties. Including all but one in the capital!
Just put a indentation stamp into every product you sell, stating "replace the electoral college with actual democratic representation".
Provide details on why the Electoral college exists, and why it's a horrible idea. Tell how the founders wanted to prevent democracy, and how that has hurt us, and how we're now stunted by our lack of actual democratic representation through equal vote impact for citizens in each state..
It's more likely to succeed, and if it does, population centers like California would essentially govern the nation from a more progressive stance going forward.
Secession isn't really a hallmark of modern liberals anyway - they want to make government WORK, and won't really fight to break a government the way modern conservatives will. Instead, they'll tend to only really agree to a fight to defeat profound inequities, like ethnic cleansing or terror - but having their vote not count as much as a rural state might just be enough if it's presented strongly enough.
There's plenty of counter-arguments against this line of reasoning - but for what you're asking for, seems that's your best choice.
Ryan Fenton
I live in CA and I would not vote for something so incredibly stupid. These fucks obviously don't care about the American workforce and fair wages, so maybe they should operate in the 3rd world countries they harvest for labor.
Their "puppet-investment" of -- whom was a massive force behind H1Bs -- couldn't win the election even with the corporate America(China, Saudi, Qutar, etc), Wall Street, World Banks, and all of the major media on their side. Now we're dealing ignorant college kids -- who were expecting free college because they're too stupid to realize that their candidate( which was shoved down our throats as the second coming ) is a Congenital Liar -- on the street armed with their learned-ignorance protesting the new president elect. This is their right and I wouldn't want it any other way. But from the outside, it makes them look like complete IDIOTS for anyone that actually fact-checks outside of the mainstream-media. Wake up you brainwashed tards!
If you want to know why Trump won, watch this video -- it is completely relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Rather than threatening to pick up our ball and go home when we lose, let's acknowledge that the country is divided on what we should be doing. It's hard to compare the different ideas because we have no control group to compare to when one party's ideas were in use. Comparing different times periods is difficult because the US is part of a global economy and has technological and societal changes.
So I propose we let the Democrats and Republicans come up with their own plans for taxes, entitlements, health care, and any other parts of the budget where practical. Add in a third non-partisan group of experts for an alternative plan.
Then we have a referendum with instant runoff voting. Each state gets to chose which plan it wants to implement. In order for a plan to go into effect it must have some threshold of states/population.
The debt is then split proportionately by population to the groups of states and we let the experiment run its course. Changes to the plans must be approved by the voters in the states currently on the plan. States can change plans on the same schedule as the Senate. 6 years, staggered so that 1/3 happens every 2 years. Continue until only one plan remains.
Get the fuck out and never come back. Bugs Bunny needs to saw it off and push it out into the ocean like he did with Florida.
It's beyond ridiculous (yet emminently believable) that Silicon Valley would rather take its toys and go home than be subject to laws and regulations. The inability to innovate ethically says more about California billionaires' failings and personal motives than it does anything else. Best and brightest, my eye.
I'm sure you'll do fine without those billions of federal tax dollars
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
Wow.
The protest in NYC is pretty big.
Regarding California, after it seceeds, where will they get water?
buried ~1M war dead...
Shervin Pishevar, born in Iran. You know going forward with this idea he is only helping to strengthen trump's supporters idea that we are being invaded by Asians, Latinos and middle-easterners that care nothing about our history or country??
Have you seen the California budget lately? No, CA does not give more than it receives. The state is in massive debt, has massive regulations, and businesses can't seem to leave the state fast enough. Just wait, massive approvals for hundreds of billions more in debt just got approved.
I thought quite a bit about this because I heard it this morning. Let CA secede, but they need to pay out all of the money they currently owe. They also need to come up with their own currency, infrastructure system and funding, and of course defense forces. Perhaps try to pay the rest of the US to do so for them, but good luck with that. A broke California with no defense will quickly become someone else' territory.
For the record, nearly 1/3rd of the state voted for Trump and Clinton only received 61% of the vote. I guess the rest of us have no worth or value to these same selfish idiots.
CA is suffering from the same poor loser syndrome as we have seen in other places. The answer is the same as we told them: Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
And reports of teargas being used on protesters in Oakland!
It's going to be a long night.
(After weeks of being told to accept the election outcome, anything else is an attack on democracy. Sheesh!)
If they do secede they need to pay relocation fees for everyone who wants to leave. I demand relocation fees.
One more, one more thing.. CA makes a lot of money because it's a port state with refineries and military bases. All that stuff goes with caexit too, so the economy no longer looks so good.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Is this what people do now? One thing fails to go their way and they have a hissy fit and hold their breath until they turn blue like a 3-year-old? I don't expect much from leftists, but honestly, this is what they do.
I have sat through 11 presidential elections, including the elections of notable piles of shit Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and most worthless of all, Barack Obama, and yes, it was disgusting and sickening to me, too, but no one I knew had a meltdown over it.
A nation of fucking precious snowflake babies.
Anything posted in the immediate aftermath of the election is part of coping, so I take this sort of thing with a great heaping helping of salt. The right wing did it when Obama was elected, after all, and outside some squawking about birth certificates nothing came of it.
Whether or not it sputters out in this case depends on what happens in the first three to six months after Trump takes office. If he ends up more moderate than he was on the campaign trail, then things will almost certainly continue on as usual (so to speak). We'll probably see some regressive tax policy changes and erosion of various minority and women's rights, but nothing too catastrophic. The poor will get poorer, the rich will get richer, and the environment will continue to get worse at the same rate it is today.
Alone, those things aren't enough to spur serious action.
If, however, he manages to convince the Senate and Congress to go along with some of his wackier campaign promises, then there's a very real chance things could get serious quickly.
- If he trashes too many social support nets, then all bets are off. If you and your family are starving, you'll do pretty much anything to get food, and if it happens in bulk you have the spark of revolution on your hands. Throw a heavy-handed response to rioting and you have martyrs and a circle of escalating violence.
- If he makes enough blatantly discriminatory changes and gets them through a stacked Supreme Court, he could provoke enough ire to prompt serious nonviolent secession talk. If, for example, he bans all Muslims or Mexicans from entering the country, and his ban survives a supreme court challenge, California will look long and hard at the idea of leaving because there's a large enough majority of people that don't agree with that kind of action here to support that.
If all he does is chip away at the progress made in the last ten or twenty years, he'll be fine. If he starts taking a pickaxe to things that have been part of America for the last sixty or seventy, all bets are off.
Never underestimate the stupidity inherent in all human beings.
Correction: It is far NorCal and South Oregon's secession petition. There is a whole article on wikipedia on it and the Cascadia movement in general (NorCal to Southern British Columbia as a single cultural, political, economic bloc.)
Most of the problems worldwide are due to consolidation. The problem is people are talking about dividing under un-amicable circumstances which would cause problems for future defense pacts necessary to ensure the newfound economic blocs would not get steamrolled by outside parties (notably Russia/China at this time, but also Brazil, the EU, etc in the future.)
What really needs to happen is a constitutional congress in the us, a redrafting of the US constitution for the current world, as an a side effect of that, a renewal of incorporation for states that wish to, allowing states that thing they can go it alone the opportunity to gracefulyl bow out without the hassles of the current method of secession. Who knows, maybe with the stars freed on the flag the rest of the US could incorporate Puerto Rico and Guam as official U.S. states.
The West Cost will Riiiiiiise Agaiiiiin!
*RANT ON*
Its getting tiring, this shrill end of the world, he/she said something bad so I have to cry now nonsense. I could say something coherent about words not hurting but i'm ranting so another time.
And then, when I read an article like this all I can think about is 'them'(and if I wasn't ranting I would say all people who dont get their way, not just 1 side or another), saying 'BOO HOO, we didn't get our way so now we are going to kick down the sand castle and take all our toys'.
Sound like a bunch of smug self righteous children, grow up.
200+ years of history and not everyone got their way every time, sometimes you have to play the long game and put in the real work.
*RANT OFF*
That felt good, thanks for listening.
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You wish to secede. To do so, you will have to give any water coming from out of state, and let northern California control the rest, and gasoline will cost $25/gallon from now on, plus whatever export tariff the United States chooses to add on.
Enjoy your avocados and almonds, because all staple foods are grown somewhere else.
There is exactly as much chance of this happening as there is of Hillary Clinton winning Miss Congeniality as a consolation prize.
Can't deny that "calixit" has a nice ring to it!
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Forgottonia was a rural area in western Illinois that "seceded" and declared war on the US only to immediately surrender out of protest for being left out of many infrastructure projects.
Just give California back to the Mexicans.
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
This image from Anonymous was pretty funny, with the caption:
"Guess whats going to happen tomorrow #TrumpProtest DONALD J TRUMP will still be President Elect!
I can't believe what gigantic babies they are. What, did they expect that for the rest of their natural lives, that they would win every single election, ever? Apparently so.
And now, that their side lost, instead of moving forward, they are bawling like infants and want to quit. We saw this with Brexit as well. Highly educated people, professionals, and they just pitched a shit-fit because they lost. I couldn't believe the rage that Ph.D's were capable of. But they sure can lecture everyone else about how we have to accept it when things go their way.
Democracy is awesome.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
..which was started by the University of California. So we have a partial claim to it. As for defense of California, let me present former Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. Arnold?
Ladies and gentlemen....We have da bomb.
If Texas didn't secede after Obama got elected, I am sure a bunch of spoiled silicon valley plutocrats won't either. They should buy more electric cars or whatever is far-left equivalent to guns&ammo.
If you supported Trump kindly go fuck yourself, and I'll take the moderation results of this post. If not then I apologize to you, but not the man who decided to run a campaign based on sowing as much hatred as absolutely possible.
This is what happens when you run that kind of campaign.
We didn't protest when Barack Obama was elected. Twice.
Here's some observations about the protests:
You're being manipulated.
they just want cheap foreign labor in the form of easy Visas. They're afraid Trump is gonna take that away. They're stirring up trouble to try and get him on their side. It won't work. He's bloody nuts.
Progressives didn't create that leviathan. It's always been there. If you allow a weak central government you just get robber barons on a national level filling the power vacuum you just left in your mad dash to freedom.
Also, what they hell is wrong with 'elites'? What's wrong with people who take their work seriously, study and learn the optimal approaches while constantly striving to improve? That's an elite. If you don't like being talked down to then crack a book, study up and learn enough about politics, economics and policy so that you're _not_ being talked down to. The rest of us sane people like experts in a field.
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How about this: you don't want to live in the United States of America anymore? Then, get the fuck out, bitches.
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Seeing as 25% of their power and 30% of their water comes from other states and their fiscal condition is rated poor (http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files/16017-FR-Dashboards-v2-CA.jpg), I second this movement.
Let them go, and we can buy them back in a few years for pennies on the debt dollar.
Sore losers.
Florida wanted to do the same thing after the last election. Yeah, go ahead, and send Cali into an even deeper financial crisis. Property values will crash and your currency won't be worth shit. On the east coast, look at property values of the south compared to that of the north and you'll see the south is STILL paying for trying to secede from the union. Clearly Cali has been smoking weed longer than it's been legalized.
And quit your bitching. You all rallied behind Hillary waving signs that said "stronger together." Put your fucking money where your mouth is and heed the advice coming from that liberal-Jesus Obama when he says support the Donald. It is done. Likewise, Donald stood on stage and said he wants to be president for everyone - call him on it.
Chewbacon
The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
We should let them go if they pay for their own wall first.
Yes I said it. Extreme liberals have lost their mind.
California pays more to the feds than any other state and is ranked seventh or fifth (depending on year you look at) for being least dependent on federal tax dollars. If any state can actually go it alone, it's California.
On the other hand, California would become the 8th largest economy in the world and suck out 14.5% of the US GDP, probably sending the US into a recession and into default on the debt it carries.
But it's been done and the last time we hung the perpetrators.
Now if we could sell California to the ChiComs for several trillion and let the Cali left wingers live under a one party rule I would support that.
That's rich.
Why, because he and everybody else use the carried loss provisions of the tax code? If you made enough running your own several hundred businesses to actually have a small army of accountants preparing YOUR taxes following the collapse of revenues in one of those areas (a bad year for everyone in Atlantic City, etc)., you'd be getting professional advice to do exactly the same thing when circumstances warrant.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Yes, I get it. You don't like Trump. I don't like Trump either.
There was a lot of bluster and bitching but Texas didn't really try to secede from the Union when Obama was elected or re-elected and they dislike Obama as much as you dislike Trump.
Stop throwing a fucking tantrum and grow up.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Reports of mass arrests at the Trump hotel in NYC.
Also... looking at the images people are tweeting during the riots is pretty interesting.
I didn't know there was such a thing as a Trump sex doll.
TIL
Sure, it's like hallucinations of self aggrandizement fueled by moronic tech upstart CEOs who apparently knows shit about politics and governing will magically solve all the problems that divided the US in this election and will make for a better world tomorrow for all american citizens and the rest of the world.
Look, I understand people are frustrated with Trump being elected. Worse, there are democrats and republicans frustrated by it... we don't even have a clear party line of supporters and non-supporters anymore.
But dividing the country further is just exactly the worst possible choice, and it can only come from megalomanic sociopath CEOs like this guy, who clearly thinks his state is superior (more like he is superior to everyone else of course) just because it aligned with his own ideology or political sense in a democratic election with two candidates that clearly had their own problems.
Sorry if it hurts your sensibilities, but if Trump being elected is to be seen as a bad thing, it's as much fault of it's supporters as it is the fault of Hillary supporters or Trump haters. You haven't done enough, Hillary couldn't fight off doubts and accusations, and this is just the end result.
If you are going to cry and go running back to your house everytime a defeat like this happens, there is no future for a seceded California. No one would take a state like that seriously. And it's not only about the rest of the US that will look upon you like spoiled kids, it's also about the rest of the world.
The best people who absolutely hate Trump can do right now is monitor his actions and the government from now on, and make sure it stays in line.
You wanna see a scenario even worse than it already is, you just secede your state and wait for the next major crisis... specially with stuff like Hyperloop and Uber that are relatively new and dependant on international relationships. I'd like to see Hyperloop failing and not going anywhere just to see what this moron would do.
Things will go down hard and fast, and coming back begging to be a part of the rest of the US won't look good afterwards.
It just seems that every country apparently has to have their own share of idiots like this guy. Here in Brazil it's people from Southern states blaming all the problems of the country on northern states, as if most of the corruption schemes that are currently plaguing the country didn't originate in southern states. Man the f*ck up, admit that your country voted for the wrong guy if that's what you believe, and work for it not to affect the country too much, and do better on the next election.
If you can't live in a country where people have different opinions than yours, and you can't be bothered to fight the government back when it decides to pass something you don't think is fair, go live in a cave by yourself in some isolated island. You'll do both yourself and society a favor.
The ones I see here in Portland are hand written on poster board. Not a preprinted sign in sight.
I agree there are lots of hand-painted signs, but look around at the images on twitter. lots of pre-printed ones.
Maybe Canada Builds a wall and Mexico builds a wall. Then we just let all the states shoot it out between themselves Civil War style.
We would have to sell Alaska back to the russians tho....
oh well
"....more....raciacially diverse than large swathes of central U.S."
Why this constant obsession with race? Seriously, this is all the left talks about anymore. Just look at their rhetoric, it is almost like they don't want to live next to "those people" anymore.
Can we PLEASE get away from permanently fixating on race?! This is making EVERYTHING worse!
Um, California doesnt really get water from outside the state to any great degree. It's the California part of the Rockies that provides the snow pack that feeds the water needs of Southern California and the Valley. The rest of the state makes due with its own reservoirs.
Thanks - point taken.
Desunited States!
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So would that mean Colorado could have its water back?
They are all very smart people, I am sure they have taken into account that trump might impose tariff on doing trade with US they will heavily eat into their profit margins...
I guess the education is such in California that they do not teach that the Civil War was about succession. My how education has fallen since I graduated high school in California.
The main reason California is 6th economy in the world is because it is part of the USA. If it splits, and will no longer be protected by the 'mainland', it will rapidly degrade and be absorbed into Mexico within a decade. Agriculture cannot compete with other countries' cheap labor, and hi-tech will not last long without huge military orders, and access to Wall Street capital. California is doing great not because of, but despite of 'management' by its ruling class
Everybody just calm down already.
... comes from the US Gov't in the form of defense (and, to a lesser extent, space) spending (and let's not forget the military bases in CA.
If New California comes to be, there will be NO MORE MONEY from the US Gov't. No more subsidies for highways.
Predicted 10 years ago in the SSDD webcomic: California, Oregon, and Washington seceded to form the independent nation of California OW, which was for all intents and purposes owned by the MayTec corporation.
Divided States of America, comic link, sorry it's a Flash animation.
Looks like Uber would be the real-life MayTec if this secession ever happens. Which is funny because MayTec was originally introduced 15 years ago as some company that builds engines.
[And yes I am aware that there are no SSDD readers here, WTF am I talking about, dude, STFU and GTFO, whatever.]
Yeah, there were people on twitter reporting on the protests from the beginning, but it's been pushed down the list and now I can't find it.
(There's a *lot* of activity on twitter right now!)
Look at some of the images, you'll see a lot of pre-printed signs (and a lot of hand-drawn ones).
We'll have to wait for tomorrow to see if the MSM reports people ginning up the crowd, or whether there are paid instigators, or whether they were alerted ahead of time and told what to look for.
Just like they did during the Trump rallies.
If the 14 year old is daughter of a Mexican, the Mexican Constitution says she's Mexican, it doesn't matter where she was born.
would be if they planned to uproot their businesses from the US and move to another country. And that might be a necessary step if the government started leaning on them to 'cooperate' in surveillance schemes.
How about instead they secede from the Democratic party and instead support a truly progressive and democratic party.
Here's the start of the one in West Seattle.
These protests aren't spontaneous - they're being organized and funded.
So, Trump's tax adviser will be sheriff, then. Because Trump is not even remotely a tax expert, despite his claims. His own tax adviser said he literally just signed his returns after they were prepared for him without any involvement at all. (Citation: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/...)
The echo chamber is strong in this one.
Look at a county map of election results. Oops, there are parts of California where Trump got 50%, 60% or 70% of the votes.
Go and Cexit, it'll be spectacular to watch.
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So it's OK when Trump does it, but because Trump believes that Jeff Bezos might have done it too, that's just wrong? Sorry, double standard. Trump has no grounds to be calling out anybody else on taxes, any more than he has grounds to declare himself a great businessman when he could have simply invested the huge sum of money Daddy gave him, then sat back and done absolutely nothing for decades without earning a cent less.
He's a moral coward, a hopelessly bad businessman, and soon will be the worst president in the history of the United States.
Just because your middle class ass is OK with the status quo doesn't mean those who are trampled upon should just suck it up.
You entitled fucking twat.
Here's what he was talking about.
And yes, I'm an entitled fucking twat for thinking that immigrants shouldn't change our culture.
If Cali, OR, and WA all seceded together they could form the country of COW. It has a nice ring to it.
It isn't their culture or their laws that makes them prosperous, it is their geographic location (closest to the cheap Asian resources and labor they love to claim to be against exploiting). If they left the union, we could choose one of the other west-coasters, or even mexico, to be the new middle-man.
We could pressure them to do anything we want them to using our other 49 states to sanction them; applying our world governance strategy locally.
No news here.
The real irony is that if any "non-western" country elected a leader that caused as much dissent as Trump's election, the US would be falling over themselves to fund a "color revolution" !
The US media would be showing all dissent as though EVERYONE was totally opposed and PROOF that the election was RIGGED.
The US would be channeling arms to "rebel" groups fighting for "freedom" and when that government's police where shot at and then shot back, it would be "proof" that they were a totalitarian "regime". (Syria anyone ?)
The US spent over $5B to undermine the elected government of Ukraine.
Michael Moore PREDICTED this. I dont like Michael Moore's blind love for the Tammany Hall democrats but Christ he nailed it.
These _fucking_ billionaires are low life greedy scum where the middle class would still be wage slave in debt fucked over worms in their New Californis state.
Michael Moore: "Trump's Election Will Be The Biggest Fuck You Ever Recorded In Human History"
Some fascinating comments from the overtly liberal, Hillary-supporting Michael Moore, who in a recently leaked speech comes perilously close in a speech explaining why on November 8, what is left of middle America will look to cast its vote for Donald Trump.
The centrist North and East won't vote to go along with it, because without CA, there wouldn't be enough left-leaning votes to prevent GOP presidents, and the remaining USA would turn right-wing.
In short, we'd be sticking the poor suckers with Tea Party types. They'd thus join the battle to prevent CALEXIT, and maybe try to secede themselves if the battle fails.
Table-ized A.I.
Sounds like the Silicon Valley group was getting a head start on California Prop 64.
"Trump would be a disaster for innovation.". You can't innovate if you don't have a proper key! Lying = dying. For example, rhetorically, how was the magnetic field created? Those 145 classified themselves as liars by opposing my decision. The message really is as simple as it appears, do as I tell you or die horribly.
CA can take a % of national debt equal to their population with the USA. Then, as a country, the 49 remaining States in the USA can cut off all fresh water.
CA blossoms because of the other 49 States provide assistance (fresh water, electricity, food, defense). Make no mistake about it.
California's agricultural crops are not the full picture, or not as you may think. from TFA: "California is also the biggest economy in the US and the sixth largest in the world with a gross state product of $2.496tn for 2015, according to the IMF."
Your fancy "grain fed cows" and amber fields of grain aren't really squat compared to the ~$2.5 $$ Trillion $$ GSP $$ of California now, don't ya think?
I think Calif would be just fine as it's own sovereign nation without being sucked dry by the new 3 ring shit show we just got handed.
"Suppose you were an idiot...and suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself." Mark Twain
Those Trump supports can be relocated out of California to places more ameniable to their ideology, like the whole rest of the united states :)
People always bitch about what a horrible liberal place California is. How about we just finish the job and make it the liberal shithole all the conservatives like to hate on, so the liberal types can get on with their lives (or not) in their own little SJW world.
Seems like a win win win to me.
Unless of course you're an authoritarian asshole and prefer to lord your shitty government (whether R or D) over everybody else for 4 years regardless of it it represents them socially, economically, or culturally.
This secession talk is a wee bit childish. Here's what Hillary Clinton had to say this morning about a Trump presidency:
"Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and a chance to lead."
I hope her supporters take a cue from her and start behaving with some class and dignity.
Are these not the very same people who were losing their shit over the fact that candidate Trump refused to definitively state that he would accept the results of the election?
-- "Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else."
#OCCUPY_MONTANA and #OCCUPY_WYOMING = Hostile takeover of small state elections by peaceful, Democratic means.
The plan: We send a total of 300,000 Democrats from California to establish residence Montana and Wyoming for 6 years.
Net result: +8 senators, +4 representatives, and +12 EVs in the next presidential election.
The New Hampshire independence movement is being spearheads by the migration of liberty minded activists who are migrating to New Hampshire from across the United States (and around the world). New Hampshire has since attracted a number of BitCoin start-ups, tech companies, and attracted similar liberty loving companies focused on decentralizing and minimizing government. From Cell 411 to ThinkPenguin. Keene, NH also has the greatest number of brick and mortar stores accepting BitCoins in excess of the most BitCoin friendly city Sans Francisco (Keene doesn't show up only because it's a town of 24,000 people so it wasn't counted). Go check out http://www.freekeene.com/ for regular reporting on New Hampshire liberty news and the New Hampshire independence movement. There have been several protests since the Brexit pre-dating this election.
Besides NHExit there is also Texit for Texas Independence. I say we should all get together to push for a breakup of the United States.
Silicon Valley is buoyed by the FED's cheap money and the Feds' unwillingness to curb off-shore capital hoarding and tax avoidance.
Remove that by secession, and the people of California will take matter into their own hands. See how that goes for Silicon Valley
Well he did say "This will be Brexit Plus Plus Plus"
Bye.
It's good to hear a resurgence of interest in classical liberal concepts like secession.
Here are a few more that maybe people should think about: division of powers, limited and decentralized/local government, non-interventionism, nullification.
I wish it didn't take Trump getting elected for people to take those seriously.
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What happens to Silicon Valley/California when China starts dumping cheap Sunway CPUs onto the world market? Without the Market protection of being in the USA (which already might not be enough) How will California protect itself from agressive Chinese moves into the tech market?
So Popular Science ran an article back in 2003 about a theoretical secession, Proposition Angry Bear, where California tries to secede from the union due to excessive taxation to support the rest of the country, and loses.
https://books.google.com/books?id=5bKyC4K5tMwC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=%22popular+science%22+california+secede&source=bl&ots=Si2XpRBNcK&sig=H0zFID627Yq-KR68E-XXIYb9LLI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjrzorJ3p3QAhUKE5QKHaqeBHoQ6AEIGzAA#v=onepage&q=%22popular%20science%22%20california%20secede&f=false
Timeline is off, but the reasons will probably be right. With that whole Simpsons episode from 2005 eerily predicting the election, I guess Proposition Angry Bear is next...
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So Simpsons episode eerily predicts election, next is a 2003 Popular Science article about a California secession due to excessive taxation starting with Proposition Angry Bear, that fails.
https://books.google.com/books?id=5bKyC4K5tMwC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=%22popular+science%22+california+secede&source=bl&ots=Si2XpRBNcK&sig=H0zFID627Yq-KR68E-XXIYb9LLI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjrzorJ3p3QAhUKE5QKHaqeBHoQ6AEIGzAA#v=onepage&q=%22popular%20science%22%20california%20secede&f=false
Truth stranger than fiction.
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The rest of us have been waiting for San Andreas to sink them into the sea. Well make sure to build a wall around them too. President Feinstien will have a fun time with her dystopian hunger games nightmare of overpriced tech zones surrounded by impoverished milions of Mexican slave labor.
The whining, crying and pointless protesting over someone you didn't like winning is more than a little pathetic.
You all knew the stakes and rules of the game going into it. How many of the whiners did anything meaningful to build consensus for different candidates? How many of them even bothered to mingle with commoners long enough to vote themselves?
I spent election night rooting for Trump to lose. Now I find myself laughing at the chorus of entitled "dumb fucks" who have the guts to publically bitch about Trump wanting to moderate their own spigots of cheap labor.
1 Iranian crying about his candidate losing and calling for all other retards to support his anti-US idea. THIS IS F**KING NEWS ON /.? Seceding from the union is about the most Anti-USA thing you could do yet he claims to be for the USA? Get your heads out of your asses and stop listening to sensationalist bullshit ideas let alone posting them as news.
Why would you want to secede? Far more productive to call for maximum state rights with a Republican president, House and Senate. Should be difficult for them to resist that, seeing how they have been champion for 'state rights' for so long, and if you defund the federal government to the point of it becoming non-functional, California gets nearly all the benefits of independence and little of the acrimony that a secession would cause. Just ask for: - end of federal medicare, medicaid, education. - End of federal criminal law - right for states to determine who gets to live there (Republican states want to ban muslim refugees from coming in, why not ride that wave and claim a right for every state to allow or disallow any immigrant for any reason.) You could call them the 'Right to Live here' states, like you have the 'right to work' states. And of course, a corresponding drop in the federal tax rate if they don't have to fund all that stuff anymore. Accomplish that, and California is as good as independent (just like all the other states), without any of the nasty talk about actual secession and civil war and stuff.
So he called out corporations and their leaders for shady crap that they are in fact actually doing then they responded with lies about innovation and other bullshit to cover it while acting like 2 year olds throwing a tantrum. Yes, California's overtaxed, hyper-liberal welfare state and its massive debt should get the hell out of the USA. Then we'd never have a democratic president ever again. Great idea.
"The campaign for independence -- variously dubbed Calexit, Califrexit and Caleavefornia..."
Folks, if we're going to start throwing names around, please refer to Mexifornia by it's proper name. Oh, and please speak Spanish when making these requests. It helps the illegals cast their vote for this.
Silicon Valley Investors Call For California To Secede From the US After Trump Win
And then what? Rejoin Mexico?
Anybody with a pair of eyes can go back and watch all the rallies and see how Trump had 10,000 people and more at most of his rallies, whereas Clinton had around 1,000, and did far fewer rallies. It's only the controlled media that has LIED to us constantly about the 'polls being 50/50', because they were hoping to rig the election results (with Soros' electronic voting machines), but the Trump support was so high that they knew they couldn't possibly get away with it.
Let them secede - most WHITE Americans have left California anyway (or rather, been driven out by illegal immigrants...)
Please please please leave the US! CA is the least supportive of the US and the Constitution.
"No matter what it is, it is somebody's fetish. No exceptions". He probably just likes sweaty women.
Human Rights, Article 12: Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence
On behalf of Canada, I'd like to invite California to join us.
I suggest that every person in the nation that is not a right wing lunatic simply fight back. Snub them, fire them. Make their personal lives a living hell as long as you don't break the law. Drive their kids off of sports teams. Put temptation in their paths and get them on film in their wicked deeds. Use every tactic that the right has ever used but put that tactic on steroids. How many investigations can democratic congress people launch on the Trump administration. Impeach Trump before he takes the oath of office. Honk your car horns every time you pass a republican's home. Cancel business contracts and starve them out. Do not hire relatives of the right wingers. Beat this scum into the dirt !
Just a bunch of non-entities with all the charisma of a boiled potato.
CA-LI-FOR-NI-A! CA-LI-FOR-NI-A! CA-LI-FOR-NI-A!
Too many syllables. Also the lameness filter is lame because now I have to write some more.
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You mean like providing cheaper labor, so that the C Level Executives can have thicker wallets and portfolios, all while the US Citizen who is looking for work loses their house due to these same companies extorting lacking labor laws in other nations to provide lower wages to lower skilled workers?
Give me a break bring jobs back to American Soil, and forgo the VISA Working Programs for Illegals and allow those who are eagerly awaiting in the legal process to become legal US Citizens to gain work and experience.
GO TRUMP Bring these companies to their knees, as they have been extorting poor labor practices overseas to thicken their own wallets.
Yeah, this whole secession thing worked really well for the Confederacy, so there's no reason at all it won't work well for California.
Seriously, are these guys expecting that Hillary will be declared Dictator-for-Life if they just make enough "But we HATE The Donald" noise? Sorry, not going to happen.
And just because the EU is telling the UK "buh-bye" doesn't mean that California is going to be allowed to leave the USA....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Hope "the Donald" nukes the bastards :)~
That'll learn 'em.
The case Texas v. White settled this over a century ago. No state in the union has the right to secede. Talk of secession is itself in violation of Title 1 of the Smith Act: Sedition as the only way to secede is via the violent overthrow of the United States government.
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I'm serious - I am tired of defending Trump but I'm so tired of lies and the lying liars who tell them.
He also thinks Amazon CEO "Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post to exert political power
There's no other reason to buy a dying newspaper.
and avoid paying taxes,
And it's probably decent for tax writeoffs as it's unlikely to be making money.
and claimed that Mark Zuckerberg's push for specialist immigration would actually decrease opportunities for American women and minorities.
He's absolutely correct. There's a reason that Facebook founders were willing to throw $20M at Hillary at the last minute to try to get her elected. By the way - remember the timing of that? When everybody thought Hillary had it wrapped up? Given the rampant collusion between Clinton, big media, and big business it seems pretty clear that she and her team knew she had a loss on her hands a couple of months ago and hoped an extra 8 digit slush fund would help.
I'm sure Lessig was just *furious* when he found out about it <eyeroll>.
Do you have ESP?
We should have let the South secede back then. We'd have skipped the Civil War and they would be on their own with their own culture.
This has happened before, in 1860... People lost an election, had a fit, and tried to secede...
I'd rather have California as an option to emigrate to than cold-as-fuck Canada.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
They could instead push satellite offices to battleground/red states and send liberal-minded folks to live there, take up residency, spread the gospel, all that stuff. Influence the vote that way. That would help with the housing problem in the bay area as well.
Seems just as likely.
Look at the electoral map. Vast swaths of Cali are Trump territory, and they are armed. The hipsters can only lay claim to tiny enclaves which could easily be overrun by the red states in the event of war.
Now you know how serious the "hyperloop" is.
A bunch of whiny millennials who didn't get their way.
...Then you should be familiar with something called "Moral Turpitude."
If it's been a while, then let me catch you up. Every US immigrant, before entering the country, has to file a DS 230 with the State Department. On the form is a checkbox asking you if you've ever committed an act of Moral Turpitude. The expression "Moral Turpitude" is a fancy legal way of encompassing anything and everything that is morally wrong, all the way from 1st degree murder to eating meat on Good Friday. It is the government's easiest way of barring you from entry into the country, because, let's face it, we've all done something wrong in our lives. (And therefore, it's also the easiest way to kick an immigrant out of the country; all the government needs to do is find evidence of something you've done wrong in your life, then add to it lying on a government document, and then put you on a one-way plane trip back to where you came from.)
Anyways, entering the country illegally certainly qualifies as such. By declaring that, momma could be barred from re-entry for up to 10 years. There -are- ways around that, though they all require strong legal representation, which, let's face it, the vast majority of immigrants can't afford.
I guess that the wall street greed gravy train has screeched to a halt. Wall street and Washington D.C. have been in each others' pockets for so long and now they fear that they can't just buy all rulings to be in their favor and conduct themselves sans accountability. The greed of the few just isn't as lucrative as it was before if the Washington swamp gets drained. It will still be the most lucrative tech economy on the planet, just not as obscenely so. Investors; grow up, stop whining and have a dram of couth toward the common man - at least, let them have the crumbs of your table.
And it did so permanently. Once you become a state, you can't "unjoin", secede or leave. End of story.
Now if the government would actually start charging people with treason for saying this kind of crap and prosecute them and make them look at real jail time in a real prison, that might just put an end to it. Even former Texas governor Rick Perry was talking succession smack talk for a while. The state of Georgia passed a law 4 years ago that the current governor signed that says if the state legislature votes to nullify a federal law or executive order because they decided that it wasn't constitutional, the citizens and the state of Georgia don't have to obey said law or order. That's not succession but it's close. And the Obama administration didn't even threaten anybody over that.
But only if you take on all the debt. And acquiesce to continued US administration on all matters of international trade.
California: you have to take responsibility of your fair share of the national debt By paying Income tax on all current
and future Net incomes, And your fair share as a percentage is the average of the 3 percentages :
Your state's population Divided by the country's population Plus
The sum total federal dollars spent in or on matters related to your state over its entire lifetime divided by the total federal dollars ever spent by the Federal government
PLUS your state's annual economic output divided by the country's annual economic output.
Sure, how is a person supposed to cheat on his taxes if everyone else does? Someone needs to pay the bills.
See subject: Hahaha, unbelievable! Have some dignity & lose with grace, losers.
* Libya/Benghazi liar & law breaker Hillary (Comey the crony sycophant too) who had no clearance to have classified information @ her home deserved to lose (if not go to jail which she probably will) - serves her right.
Serves you crying bitches who supported her right too. Justice, for once, HAS been served.
APK
P.S.=> What's the matter? "God" SOROS (loon that thinks he's a God & wants to destroy the USA, + led his OWN KIND into Hitler's prisons too like the psychotic loser he is) couldn't pull it off w/ more than TWICE what the Trump campaign spent & your "puppet master" is STILL telling you to go on crying like this? Please - make me laugh some more, losers... apk
One time was a great party, worked great, they still celebrate it every year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conch_Republic
It's a great way to blow off steam and get a better perspective.
The other time, not so good, folks are still grumpy about that one.
There's not much to recommend doing that again.
There is a robustness issue with the economy which needs to get fixed, or even Si Valley won't survive.
I'm hoping Trump is smart enough to not try to make anybody do anything.
That path is a dead end. (Try it with a teenager sometime.)
A better path is to adjust the game so that folks do what's necessary because it's good for them.
Trump is not without success in operating this way.
Instead of forcing Apple, setup a situation where they want to build stuff here because it's the best place to do it.
Instead of building a physical border wall, build an economic one by figuring out a way to eliminate the economic incentive to come here illegally.
A new Republic of California revolution party sounds a great idea.
The question for debate at party is how to do this.
The last 8 years gave us more a zombie than a robust situation.
Just like Cuba, it's time to try something else.
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Northern Cal would secede from Southern as they have always wanted and likely stay with the rest of the country. Meaning all the good Emerald Triangle Weed leaves as well. Oh and the water... could be diverted by them before reaching the South. Turning SoCal back into the desert it once was.
SoCal hates weapons, so it would be taken back by Mexico quickly. Meaning all the illegal labor would likely jump back to the US as well.
Of course they would control the Western Port, but being that the East has the other two and the US could control costs via tariffs, not a problem.
I guess the new Hollywood would likely go to Florida, where it was planned originally any how.
and on........
Cant we all just get along...
Sooner, better
Okay, looks like it’s time to dust off my post-election-day secession rant.
The dividing lines in this country are as clear as a jigsaw puzzle. But like a jigsaw puzzle, the pieces are so tightly interlocked that there’s no way to pull it apart without wrecking everything.
Let’s start by ignoring what the Constitution says: if somebody’s splitting off from the US, its laws are not theirs to follow. Never mind legality or morality, let’s just ask, can parts of the US secede without killing millions and impoverishing us all? Those are the stakes.
Borders. Let’s take the Northeast as an example, from Maine to New York. Solid blue states, easy enough to make a nice country out of. Well, except for most of New Hampshire. And upstate New York. And central Massachusetts and inland Maine, and Staten Island, and the town I live in near Boston... if secession is on the table, what’s to stop these regions from seceding from their states? Suddenly your country looks more like a federation of city-states, surrounded by hostile rural territory. America’s internal border is fractal, from the national level right down to individual bedrooms. If you insist on contiguous state borders, what are your options? Call out the state militia to occupy rebellious Staten Island? Partition and forced emigration? Ask India and Pakistan how that worked out.
But let’s suppose you get the territory bit worked out. What about the national debt? If a breakaway republic leaves the US without taking its fair share of the national debt, it’s effectively stolen trillions of dollars. If it gets away with it, everyone else will break away too, the debt will be abandoned, and every T-bill on the planet will become worthless. That’s $18 trillion of investment wiped out, a scale of debt write-off at least times worse than the mortgage crisis of 2007, a hundred times worse than Greece. This is your social security money, your pension, wiped out instantly. And if a breakaway republic *does* take its share of debt, a small young unstable nation isn’t going to be offered the same interest rates the USA gets. It'll immediately find itself in a Greek-style debt crisis.
The federal government owns a lot of stuff, and some of it is hard to move. What happens to the mineral rights, national parks, military bases, federal buildings, and post offices in a breakaway republic? Will it pay the US fair market value for them? Because they can’t afford to. If they seize them by force, is the US justified in reclaiming its property violently? Speaking of violence, what happens to the aircraft carriers and F-22s? Who gets the nukes? I don’t want them, but if I’m going to share a continent with a bunch of nuclear-armed belligerent xenophobic nationalists, I might need some.
With this much to fight over, it’s clear that two divided Americas would be hostile to each other, possibly at war, but each would have lots of citizens who sympathize with the other side. The history of minority groups who sympathize with the enemy is long and bloody. Iraqi Shias. Japanese-Americans during World War 2. Rwanda.
Dividing a country turns its internal conflicts into external conflicts. Internal conflicts can be solved through politics, but the main way nations solve external conflicts is through economic and/or literal war. It’s naive to believe that partition would be peaceful: civil war, forced emigration, or global economic collapse are pretty likely. Maybe you think the risk of these is low enough that it’s worth a shot. I don’t.
Which is "do as I say, not as I do". Sure sounds great from someone in power!
Promises promises. I don't believe them. But I wish it was true. Think how much better we'd be if we didn't have to put up with the BS from California.
And who is going to hold the 15 hollywood "stars" that said they would leave if Trump got elected to their promise?
Don't let the flag hit you in the ass on your way out.
Newer Mexico would be a more apt description.
Please DO IT. Have fun speaking Russian without the help of the United States military.
... and disconcerting when you kiss ass to the wrong politicians.
States joined the union by having their state legislatures ratify The Constitution, thus agreeing to the terms which grant the federal government its powers. According to the Bill of Rights, Amendments #9 and #10, the federal government has only those powers specifically delegated to it in The U.S. Constitution. There is nothing in that Constitution which states that the decision to join the union is irreversible. There is likewise nothing in that Constitution which grants the federal government the authority to use military force to coerce states into remaining in the union. Had those provisions existed in the document, none of the original states ever would ratified The Constitution until the offending text had been removed. In fact, when the Virginia legislature ratified The Constitution, they simultaneously passed a bill which clearly stated that they were doing so only with the understanding that their legislature could reverse its decision at any time.
This issue was not "settled" in the 1860s simply because the North was able to use brute force to subjugate the South. Lincoln was wrong(and an evil bastard) and the SCOTUS was wrong in its "Texas v. White" decision. The South was right.
The idea of CA liberals wanting to secede from the union is nevertheless hilarious. Movements who seek to restore state sovereignty as well as groups advocating outright secession have generally been right-leaning and are met with total condemnation by the political left. Still, if their state government votes to withdraw from the union and form a sovereign country, they have every right to do so.
"It's the most patriotic thing I can do" ... it's also among the most seditious. Will any prosecutor press charges against these traitors? Perhaps a WeThePeople petition is in order? That will become fun when Trump gets in office.
6th biggest economy today. Tomorrow, they get to pay for their own armed forces, negotiate their own trade deals, issue their own visas and passports, mint their own currency... yes, this is a brilliant idea, please California, I cannot possibly imagine this having a negative effect on your economy.
Then again, you remember what the last Republican to have states secede on him did, right? Right.
I hope his supporters take a cue from her and start behaving with some class and dignity.
TFTFY.
ouch. awkward.
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If you really think that invest a million bucks while being totally passive is going to make you as much money as being directly involved in hundreds of business ventures as the owner and director of those businesses ... you've never had anything to do with running a business.
They cannot pay their own bills. Seriously - as a nation they would sink quickly. They take more money from other states work, really taxes on the lives and lifespans of other humans, than they give.
Let them cede. And re-discover for the first time the field of "economics 101" and the truth of "the wealth of nations" by Adam Smith. Also - let them provide for, or pay for, their own ballistic missile defense from China or Russia in the event of a first strike.
ad absurdum
Is that Latin for "funny commercials"?
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
Sounds like what you guys need is different sets of laws for cities and rural areas. Have universal health care, gun control, legal abortion and legal pot in cities and have the opposite in rural places. Then everyone's happy. Then you elect two "vice-presidents" that take care of most of the non-national stuff. Not really serious, but it almost seems like it would solve a lot of problems.
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No. Stop. Don't.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Please do. The Entire west coast can secede and we would be soooo much better as a country. Most of Americe would be glad to see you crazy people gone.
Then we can hang silicon valley like all treasoners should be.
O'bummer better quit dilly-dallying, only 70 days left to take our guns!
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If California succeeds do you have any idea of the impact ?
#1... All Federal money and Services -> terminated (no federal assistance fighting fires, no EPA).. all road, bridge, and infrastructure will be responsibility of the state.
#2. No support from the Navy, Army, AirForce, Marines. Mexico can drive right up and take over. (LOL)
Obviously this is all a plot by Obama to declare an emergency, declare Trump unfit to lead and install himself as permanent dictator. Then finally he can get around to taking our guns. It's the only way Hillary is going to stay out of prison.
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The Trump-phobia is ridiculous. Trump and the Republican establishment have a shaky relationship. Why would you think the Republican party, that was at great pains to distance itself from Trump's ideas and policies, would suddenly reverse course and support them? With Republican control of House, Senate and likely another conservative on the Supreme court, they have all the tools they need to stop Trump from doing anything extreme. Rest assured they WILL use those tools because to go to far out there would be political suicide and these people expect to be in power long after Trump has moved on from the presidency.
tldr; the sky is not actually falling. The biggest risk from Trump is him making embarrassing statements.
.. And assholes like you are what is wrong with amerika today. Untrained, unkempt, uneducated, ignorant, ill informed, inbred, dick licking, sperm swallowing republicunts.
The last time we had this same number of criminals in office was the last 6 years of dubya. Those sorry pieces of shit left the nation bankrupt with the Enron collapse, real estate collapse, auto industry collapse, banking collapse, wall street collapse, 2 out of control wars bleeding the country dry of money that took a black man to fix. a terrorist on the loose wanting you sorry pieces of shit to die that took a black man to fix. do I really need to go on?
No the problem with amerika today is fox news and the republikans are teaching the nation how to hate again, and they all have a fuck you attitude to everyone they interact with. American is now a nation of ignorant stupid assholes just like you and all the sperm whores that modded your hate speech as informative.
Seems everytime we get repblicunts in power the country turns to shit and everyone looses their jobs and homes, and all those are like goldfish and don't remember any of the ass raping they got. Conclusion? All republicans are morons. End of country.
"Suppose you were an idiot...and suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself." Mark Twain
Silicon Valley wants to break away from the union?
How is replacing one facist government with another going to improve anything?
Stop contributing funds to the federal govt. Pass a state law that the IRS will not have jurisdiction in California and let Californians stop paying Federal tax. Also sell all Federal bonds owned by all California Pension funds and but California bonds. Use the bonds to run the economy till California can negotiate a secession and can print its own money. At that point income taxes can be reinstated. Arrest any IRS officers who do try to come to California.
Money makes the world go round. When the federal govt is no longer getting any money from Califronia but is still having to pay salaries to military posted in California, medicare to hospotals in california and social security to retirees in California they will soon be starving for money given the size of the California population.
Negotiate for independence or a revote for President based on a popular vote.
Thats the hardball option. Doubt Californicos are series enough to actually go down this path.
**Life is too short to be serious**
These guys are idiots, they think the state owns the land... Its federal land, the state boundary is a political boundary. California will not secede without war, and I don't think any of these silicon valley nerds are going to pick up a rifle; they think firearms should be illegal.
And don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
and claimed that Mark Zuckerberg's push for specialist immigration would actually decrease opportunities for American women and minorities.
He's absolutely correct. There's a reason that Facebook founders were willing to throw $20M at Hillary at the last minute to try to get her elected. By the way - remember the timing of that? When everybody thought Hillary had it wrapped up? Given the rampant collusion between Clinton, big media, and big business it seems pretty clear that she and her team knew she had a loss on her hands a couple of months ago and hoped an extra 8 digit slush fund would help.
I'm sure Lessig was just *furious* when he found out about it <eyeroll>.
Zuckerberg did nothing that the Koch brothers and a whole string of right wing billionaires haven't been doing for years. Why is it that when left wing tech company execs throw money at politicians it's treason but when the Koch brothers and their ilk does the same it's patriotism?
Watch the Narco.MEX, ghetto Niggaz and Muzzi-wog rape your women, eat your babies and spread plague and ignorance over the entire left coast. Then the straight white Christian republicans who built this USA will need to sterilize the region ( sorry jewboi, but you picked ther wrong side again ) before snatching a seaside slab of Mexico and repopulating the beach with robust white Christian settlers. Suck that up yo *zzwhole bitches cause it's coming .... you can't import chi.com peons fast enough to stop it!
> Class and dignity? Coming from a Trump supporter that's rich.
Oh grow up. You're really stuck in that raging fanboism where you think anybody who doesn't throw a tantrum because Hillary lost must be a Trump drone? No, I didn't vote for the reality TV star. When you grow up you'll realize she's just as full of shit as he is. She's been lying as a full-time job since 1977.
...hit you where the good Lord split you. Buh-bye.
Maybe the Japanese will trade us CA for Okinawa or perhaps the PRC for Macau?
It looks like people in WA, OR and CA has more similarities with canadians than the rest of the US.... just sayin'....
According to Pew Research: 1 in 3 Hispanic/Latino voters voted for Trump. 2 out of 5 women voted for Trump and Clinton got barely more than half. Asian Americans voted overwhelmingly for Trump. In fact in California only 3 out of 5 voted for Clinton overall, and considering the voter depression in the state it could be closer to half than we will ever know.
Your position is disenfranchising anyone who disagrees with you. So much for you being an intellectual who really cares about the minorities in the Country.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
This seems like the stupidest thing to me. Whatever you think of him as a person, he was elected by a legitimate democratic process. So either you don't like said process (aka it only works when it's a candidate that you like), or you're just a sore loser. Probably both. It does suck that the district-based electoral college doesn't line up with the actual total votes, but that wasn't so much an issue when they voted in the other guy, it seems.
Trump isn't even in office yet. He's said a lot of stupid things, but he hasn't *DONE* any stupid things yet, and frankly he's pretty inconsistent on the doing part of things. You want to protest, then I suggest you find something that's actually being done before you whip out the tar and feathers.
If you really want something to be afraid of, don't fear Trump. Fear a GoP majority, an empty spot on the Supreme court, and two additional spots on the Supreme that are filled by some fairly old judges. That could mean up to three LIFETIME appointees to the Supreme court - you know the place that really is the final decided on a lot of the cases that have affected the citizens of your country - which might get filled with some potentially heavily biased GoP appointees.
If you care about the country so much and you believe it fell into the wrong hands, then why not fight to take back the Congress in 2018 and the White House in 2020? That makes more sense than selfishly plotting secession which is guaranteed to break the back of the progressive movement you claim to love by withdrawing one of its core financial and political bedrocks from the system.
It might help undo our own catastrophically stupid, anti-status quo protest vote and prevent Scotland leaving/replace Scotland when they leave.
You have it backwards my friend...
It is US that will likely have to purchase New California's weapons.
Some RWA in US have a very warped view of "liberals"/California/etc.
Yesterday, the "California secession" searches went down by some 19,000 in one hour.
Today, Bing returns twice as many results as google.com.
Please try it yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
anyways, good rideance.
Now, if we can just get NYC to do the same thing, 1/2 of America will be back to US citizens again...
Just because you don't like something, doesn't make it any less true... (liberals often have this disease)
Now you know how much screwing you with H1B visa workers means to these guys ... they're willing to break up the United States over it.
Get in line behind Texas, hippies.
...I have 2 words for those secession supporting people who have their head deep in their asses: F|_| ( | off.
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you have to take NY, DC and a few others with you.
One for all the right-wing nut jobs who have suggested this. A new, smaller one for left-wing nut jobs. Both. Right into the Sun. Thank-you.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
I'm sure you're not gonna miss any of that federal money, military support, lack of requiring trade/travel/political and so on agreements to deal with the United States. What will your currency be? What will you call yourselves? New California Republic? Hmm, there might be a copyright issue with that one. Oh yeah, copyrights, that's something else that would have to renegotiated with the United States government. I'm not sure the the Hollywood lobbyists (you know, people with the actual power and influence) will want to back this dream.
Maybe Mexico will take you back. Damn, the wall just got longer.
There would be an upside for all of the Hollywood douchebags who promised to flee the country after a Trump victory. They could just stay put and live in their plastic palace.
In conclusion, STOP ACTING LIKE CHILDREN.
So this is how the NCR (New California Republic) gets founded.
I'm scared. Maybe Bethesda knows something
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This guy is giving the kings of UAE an opportunity to look 'modern' by installing the hyperloop in their country. Who's his next customer? Kim Jon Un? And he has the gall to show contempt for Trump who has legitimately won an election..
Silicon Valley Investors Call For California To Secede From the US After Trump Win
You know, that is the stupidest shit I've heard since Trump opened his maw and made his followers howl when he said the majority of illegals were murderers and rapists. Now, let that sink in for a moment.
What these investors are suggesting is even stupider than anything Trump has said. Again, let that sink in for a moment.
I didn't vote for Trump. And I'm upset that he won (for this means the majority of voters who bothered to show up had no problem tagging along his racist platform.)
But this, the suggestion to seceded? What the fuck is this? I can get an individual wanting to leave somewhere else (I sometimes feel that).
But a call to total secession? The amount of privilege behind such an absurd notion, it boggles the mind. And I thought people who wanted Texas to secede were idiots. Noooo, these investors truly take the cake!
This goes to show you can be very smart at investing and still be very stupid at life.
Aren't the people advocating for secession the same ones who mocked Brexit?
I rather be classless, childlike, etc... and happy. Happy to not have a sorry leader, happy to tell my kids/nieces,/nephews that we didn't vote a despicable man, happy to not be united to states who would vote for an idiot, and happy to not be in an archaic system where these idiots have a voice in voting for the position for the most powerful man on earth.
Sadly, the union doesn't realize it needs California. Sadly, Texas leaving wouldn't have hurt the union. Sadly, secession is what feels right. Sadly, everything is. Thank you trump voters, I hope we secede.
A huge crowd of teens are rallying on an extremely busy street in front of me here in San Francisco as I type this.
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Should I need to point out that a foreign-born investor calling for secession is the stupidest thing you could do in the current political climate after a nationalist-inspired win? Wow. Fuck. I just don't know how to describe this amount of stupid.
comes before the fall
It's like seeing Christmas stuff in the store in September. This election 'season' is now more than a year and a half old. Why can't it be over after the votes are counted?
love is just extroverted narcissism
Now that the bullshit has served its intended purpose.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
....then the government can put an embargo on water coming into the state from other states.
See how they like it.
The people of the 3 states of the west coast of the United States are vastly underrepresented in the U.S. Senate.
Think about it:
area of 13 original colonies:
338,900 square miles
area of 3 west coast states (CA, OR, WA):
333,371 square miles
And yet, those 13 states have 26 senators, while the west coast has only 6
If the west coast really wants to make a difference for themselves, it won't be through succession, but through balkanization.
More states = better representation in Senate
well, the civil war breaks out again, california will be fighting the union troops with harsh language and rocks, since californian politicians have effectively disarmed all of its law abiding citizens, and most californians don't exactly have pitchforks around the house anymore.
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
There's the hope Trump is actually a really good businessman and really runs the country like a business, no port-belly politics-as-usual crap that we'd get from Hillary or Rubio. That's why Bernie Sanders had that outside appeal too -- lots of people want government change, not a demo/repub change, but to get people in charge that want to make things run well, and not because they like being in charge (ie career politicians).
I voted for Trump. He may turn out to be a huge disaster. Or he may turn out to be a great president. I didn't think Hillary had a chance of the latter.
Nobody pushed for Clinton. Everyone pushed for Bernie. DNC fucked with what the people wanted via delegates & super delegates. Call this DNC shooting themselves in the foot.
It's Latin for American Electorate.
... To Florida and North Carolina. If one percent of California moved to these two states and voted there instead, Hillary wins. Let's not pretend this was a blowout. Trump lead for maybe three days all year, it just happened to be one of those was Election Day. Switch those two states by the 500 K people vote difference and there's a different president.
If Calif secedes, where will it sell its products with the 100% tariffs that Trump will impose? California will have to build factories in AZ and NV and TN.
As both men ascended to the presidency, super-rich Democrats were so freaked-out at the potential loss of their slaves, and upending of their preferred social policies that they called for the states they ran to secede from the Union.
The rich elite Democrats of today are clearly still like the rich elite Democrats of 1860... STILL fixated on skin color, STILL insisting that they cannot possibly stay rich and get even richer by employing average Americans and must instead use slave labor (usually non-white) either in other distant lands or imported into America but then working under different rules and less pay than Americans would get.
It just occurred to me: I have NO IDEA where to find David Duke and his freakish Klan buddies, but the Democrats (who started the KKK after all) are able to find him for photos and interviews and to get him supposedly endorse Republicans every four years.... I'm not sure the guy is even real but if he's not a paid actor it's suspicious that the DNC has him on their call list.
We put up with 8 years of your crap...
This is not a new idea, Californians have been aware for a long time they provide far more to the Fed than they get in return.
The point is not whether this is a good idea; the point is Brexit and Trump have now proven that for the first time, this idea is actually doable.
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If by "secede" they mean sink into the sea, I'm all for it.
Drown in your tears, faggots.
People pissed off a Republican was elected did this before, starting with South Carolina, 1861 - tell me how that worked out
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Trump is merely a symptom of the corruption and filth in Washington and an obsession with propping up the failed neo-liberal/corporate enrichment agenda. While in reality he may not be much different, at least he was outwardly enough opposed to the 'free' trade nonsense and the deep seated corruption to attract voters looking for some alternative. America is getting the candidate it deserves. Towards the end of all empires such people often come to power. The US system as it exists today is not what I would recognise as a democracy in any way. Trump represented the only way out - the only candidate who isn't promising more wars, more propaganda, more free trade agreements, and more population growth. I'm not so sure that breaking up the US would be a bad idea at all. Divorced from the militaristic regime in Washington, some states would be very attractive places to live. While I personally find Trump to be truly awful, I still prefer the idea of him shaking things up, as someone fortunate enough not to be an American. If I lived there, I might feel differently, but I really feared the slaughter a maniac like Hillary would have unleashed upon the world.
Wow. You sound like a basket of deplorables.
The Koch's don't actually give that much money out - orders of magnitude less than Soros and company. Part of the reason morons like you (oops) believe that they do is that a large part of Soros' money goes to fooling idiots into thinking that the Koch brothers give out huge sums of money. I see he got his money's worth on you.
Do you have ESP?
I've been saying for years that California should leave this country. We wouldn't be missing anything if it did.
I suspect that the Canadian system might be based on one that Britain, France, or any other developed country except the USA has.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Living in the central United States dustbowl desert of the 6 degree Fahrenheit warmer world that your new President is ushering in by spiking the global agreement to start curbing GHG emissions.
Canadians will be happy to sell you food from the northern prairy breadbasket, and even water. Only $1 per litre.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
CGP Gray did a good video on this topic...
https://youtu.be/S92fTz_-kQE
Ok, this is Texas, not California, but the same principle applies...
In short, the US Constitution is mute on the subject, but the US Supreme Court has ruled, "No, there is no secession, you cannot leave".
If you want to go, there are two ways to make it happen.
1. Revolution
2. Constitutional Amendment
Neither of those are likely to happen
Part of America is looking forward to the rest of the 21st century, and part of it is looking backwards to the 20th century. The backward looking part won the election, focused on trade deals, getting rid of immigrants, and bringing back industrial jobs. Trump was more than happy to promise a return to the good old days before the Rust Belt rusted. But that message just doesn't resonate with many (but by no means all) Californians, who are more focused on building for the future and would rather see a better educated workforce of knowledge workers with machines to do the manufacturing rather than people. If that divide continues to grow (and Trump won't help) California may become increasingly out of step with the Red states, and correspondingly serious about Calexit.
that those signs were printed for other anti-Trump protests. There were lots and lots of those pre election ya know?
Show me the proof protesters were paid cash.
Professional inciters? You don't need to be a pro to rile up a crowd after a Trump win. Again, show me the money.
Alert Media? Gee, it's almost like they were covering a major national election or something.
You've been manipulated, but not by a few tens of thousands of anti-Trumpers.
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Unless I (and most other educated people) am mistaken, there are no people who independently arose and evolved in the Americas... We're all ONE race/species. Those "Native Americans" are no more native to the continent than anybody else, they just got here over the land bridge from Asia whereas the much more educated and technically capable Europeans came here across the Atlantic in ships.
Worse: over the centuries the "native" Americans were here, they developed NOTHING. They developed no written language, did not discover the wheel, NOTHING. They are not any more recently-evolved from our common ancestors than the Europeans were.They had just as many centuries to develop art and science and math and technology and medicine, and all the rest. They just sat here as culturally backwards, primitive stone age barbarians whose culture was so wretched that it would never have advanced no matter how many more centuries passed. They never even developed enough intellectually to know where on the planet they WERE. They had no maps, no governments, not even a calendar. They were little more than illiterate squatters and did NOTHING to improve the lands where they lived like nomads, and were not the most-peaceful people either; many of their tribes waged war on other tribes so it's not as though they disagreed with the idea of killing opponents and taking lands.
Only propagandized idiots fall for all the "planet-loving, nature-hugging, peaceful, enlightened and wise Native Americans, victimized horribly by the evil white man" propaganda. Some American Indians were certainly victimized, many by Democrat President Andrew Jackson (one of the two the namesakes of the Democrat party's famous annual "Jefferson-Jackson" fundraising dinner). Every human population on Earth has at some point been victimized by some other group. This does not however convey universal victim status onto all their descendants just as everybody else on Earth does not get the presumption of victim status from what happened to their ancestors.
Fuck off, ya old bastard! You weren't condemning the repubs for stomping feet and rolling around the floor of the Capitol blocking every bill that was put up and shutting the gov down, what 4 times? You aren't condemning them for refusing to follow the constitution and elect a supreme court justice. You aren't condemning them for wasting millions on 50 something attempts at ACA repeal. You're still hypocrites.
The bullshit will become established fact, see for example next year's Trumpcyclopedia.
You're both wrong. All of those articles are measuring using different units. Some are state gdp, some are doller spent per dollar gdp, and so on. Get your data sets on the same units before you two keep bitching.
I don't just think it, it's a fact. We know historically what the markets did, and we know for a fact that if he had simply put all of his money in the markets, he'd have just as much as he claims to have now. Rather than disputing facts, perhaps you should be reconsidering your belief that he's a great businessman, because he isn't.
Grow up .
You want democracy everywhere in the world but in your own elections you don't accept the results and come out on streets. If people are so infuriated, than they should have mobilized the voters to the voting day. This is gross intolerance.
YES! YES! YES! YES! It's the best news I've heard since Obama was elected.
I'm sure Obama can okay it with an EXECUTIVE ORDER!
Oh, PLEASE don't fro us in DAT BRIAR PATCH!
It's more of a "nobody including me will be able to do it anymore, but i don't care because i got a much better toy"
But I fully support the creation of the California Free State. Just don't go to war with Tir Tairngire.
If CA seceeds, and Apple is in CA, how on earth will I get my next Iphone? It'll have to be imported from another country!! Oh wait, Apple's product was made in China and their corporate headquarters were in Ireland when I got my last Iphone. Never mind.
But you will have to leave your handguns at the door. No exceptions.
It's time for you to defend yourselves. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Those investors should be tried for sedition.
Or at least make sure they can't breed.
silicon valley can g.t.f.o. of My State! Quality of Life was So Much Better here when San Jose was just an ORANGE GROVE Trump won in spite of the Dem(on)S
I don't think acting like an emotionally immature child is going to help your stock price.
It might be better to pretend that you have the capacity to deal with adversity. The markets might be more likely to respond favorably to that.
... California to secede from the US ...
We tried that, about 150 years ago. It did not turn out so well ! 8-P
You think the "DamnYankies" shafted the Southerners, just see what they do to California ... ;-)
How about federalism which is the way it is supposed to be anyhow? Let each state do what they want within a limited constitution via a national govt that puts few restrictions on them and takes little. Let Californians be Californians, Texans be Texans, New Yorkers be New Yorkers, etc.
Good riddance
California can then join Mexico, Apple can then be made by Mexicans, salaries would be cheaper, after all, you pay Mexicans much less than Americans. All those Mexicans who live in California will then be in their home country. All the actors who wanted to leave the US won't have to, seeing as it's now a Mexican state.
The only thing that will trouble the US is how to stop Mexicans crossing the border from California to the US. That would be a much longer wall!
It is in the top three by total amount. Those numbers you listed are "per capita", but we are not looking at tax per person, we are looking at the state economy as a whole. Multiply the numbers by the population of each state.
Democrats can't handle it when people don't vote the way they want them to.
Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
They've fucked things up so badly now a good portion of what was the north wants to leave the union.
(Oh, and plenty of states that hadn't existed yet.)