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Secret Service, DHS Scramble To Secure America's Election (yahoo.com)

Secret service agents rushed Donald Trump off a stage in Nevada Saturday night, CNN reports. "A scuffle could be seen breaking out in the audience, but it was not immediately clear what happened... Secret Service and police tactical units rushed in to detain a man [who] was then rushed by a throng of police officers, Secret Service agents and SWAT officers armed with assault rifles to a side room... A law enforcement official told CNN no weapon was discovered. The GOP nominee was apparently unharmed and returned to the stage minutes later to finish his speech." Meanwhile, an anonymous reader writes: "All but two U.S. states have accepted help from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to probe and scan voter registration and election systems for vulnerabilities, a department official told Reuters." Ohio is relying on the National Guard's cyber protection unit, while Arizona says they've held discussions with the FBI, DHS and state-level agents on cyber security. But in addition, "U.S. military hackers have penetrated Russia's electric grid, telecommunications networks and the Kremlin's command systems, making them vulnerable to attack by secret American cyber weapons should the U.S. deem it necessary, according to a senior intelligence official and top-secret documents reviewed by NBC News."

American officials believe Russian hacking efforts will continue through 2018, according to the Wall Street Journal. "By hacking and dumping emails, Russia is trying 'to denigrate the American electoral system, to make it look chaotic, make it look manipulable, make it look subject to intrusion, cheating and vulnerable so you can't trust it...to make us look no better than the Russian electoral system,'" said one senior White House official. Russia is also expected to extend their efforts toward elections in Europe.

360 comments

  1. Obviously, a failed time travel mission by BenJeremy · · Score: 4, Funny

    So close...

    1. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^This ++

    2. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Let's just hope that Tuesday night Hillary Clinton's acceptance speech begins with "Donald Trump, YOU'RE FIRED."

    3. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      not likely, she is currently losing.

    4. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1, Informative

      not likely, she is currently losing.

      Not according to the electoral college. Trump has to win Florida (could go either way), Ohio (went to Obama twice) and Pennsylvania (haven't gone Republican since 1988). If he doesn't win all three states, the election is over. Trump is on the way to becoming America's Biggest Looser.

    5. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leave it to a Trump supporter to define "losing" as being ahead by 3% in popular vote and 45 electoral college votes.

    6. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by wasted · · Score: 1

      The gambling sites still have her winning. As the stock market hasn't changed appreciably, I believe businesses believe that little change will occur, which also points to another President Clinton. I expect the Clinton sequel to be as successful as The Matrix sequel, and I wasn't all that excited about the original.

      Or, I could be wrong.

    7. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      You're not wrong. His chances are very small, and never were that great. A lot of things have to go right for Trump for him to win, and I suspect all but his most fanatical supporters know that now.

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    8. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Everything you said is completely invalidated by the fact you can't even spell loser correctly.

    9. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      I expect the Clinton sequel to be as successful as The Matrix sequel ...

      Crash. Wham. I forgot how good that movie was. Too bad they didn't make any sequels.

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    10. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Cosmodrome (available here if you subscribe https://www.netflix.com/title/... probably many other places if you don't) shows the Russians keeping pigs in their failed moon race rocket facility. Their leadership doesn't lose very gracefully.

    11. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Polls show Florida and Ohio are Trump's. Pennsylvania is a toss up. Momentum is not on hillary's side.

    12. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoooooosh.

    13. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      The best thing about polls is that there are so many and they agree so rarely that you can pick any subset of them to prove anything you want.

    14. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they don't.

    15. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 0

      Wrong. The mission *succeeded*. Thus, Trump lives to lose the election and make his triumphant return to reality television instead of being turned into an Alt-Right martyr, and so you lot get to sidestep the ensuing Second Civil War touched off by enraged Tea Partiers, skinheads, Free Staters, and gun nuts afterwards in our timeline.

      (The fishing eventually got really good in Keene Crater Lake, but we decided that we were willing to write that off for the good of the country.)

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    16. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Followed by FBI and AG announcing charges for treason, obstruction of justice, illegal firing of government employees of White House Travel Office, conflict of interest and using public office to direct White House Travel Office contract to friends who performed the same function when they were in Governor's Mansion, theft of government property, and pay-to-play with Clinton "Charity"

      Oh, and since she supported enabling private US citizens to sue a foreign Government for 9/11, the Osama Bin Laden family is suing Clinton for murdering him on foreign soil. Careful what you think is good for us, because others will do the same thing -- this is the failed policy and actions that have been a pillar of the Clinton's careers.

    17. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 3, Funny

      He's got a 34.2% chance according to 538. That's not small. That's why we need everybody to get there and vote for Hillary. Twice.

    18. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not fired; I'm betting that if Clinton wins she'll take the form of a giant sloar and Trump will be roasted.

    19. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's not the most direct path to victory for Trump.

      Most polls show Trump with a small lead in Ohio, though still within the margin of error. It's more likely than not that Trump will win Ohio.

      Georgia, Iowa, and Arizona are also considered toss-ups, but most polls show Trump with small leads in those states. For each of those states, it's more likely than not that Trump wins. They're within the margin of error, but Trump seems to be the likely winner in each.

      Let's assume that Trump wins Ohio, Arizona, Georgia, and Iowa. If he also carries Florida, North Carolina, New Hampshire, and Nevada, he would have 269 electoral votes. This assumes, of course, that nothing crazy happens in Utah. In this instance, the election would go to the House of Representatives, with Trump being the likely winner.

      Maine has four electoral votes, two going to the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. There's a larger margin of error in predicting individual districts, but there are indications that Trump is slightly ahead in the second congressional district of Maine. If he carries that along with each of the aforementioned states, that would give him 270 electoral votes.

      Recent polls show Trump with a small lead in Nevada, though early voting there probably favors Clinton. Nonetheless, RealClearPolitics and FiveThirtyEight show Trump as having a small edge in Nevada.

      RCP shows Trump as having a small edge in recent polls in New Hampshire. However, 538 projects Clinton as being slightly more likely to win there than Trump.

      RCP shows Trump with a tiny edge in North Carolina, though well within the margin of error. He is also given justly slightly better than a 50-50 chance of winning there by 538.

      RCP shows Clinton with a small lead in recent polls of North Carolina, though well within the margin of error. However, 538 projects Trump with slightly better than also 50-50 chance of winning there.

      The most likely path to victory for Trump is to win Arizona, Iowa, Georgia, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, and the second district of Maine. None of these would be particularly crazy, considering the current polls and projections.

      Beyond that, Colorado may be the next best chance for Trump. Next on the list would be Pennsylvania. However, Clinton is projected to have slightly larger leads in those states. Michigan, New Mexico, and the two statewide electoral votes from Maine are still within the margin of error, but seem still less likely to go to Trump. If Michigan were to go to Trump, it's very possible that Wisconsin might follow, too. If the polls were really off that much, Virginia might also be in play. But all of this is getting quite unlikely.

      It's more likely than not that Clinton wins, but I think 538's projections of roughly 65%-35% are about right. I don't think Trump must get Pennsylvania's 20 electoral votes to win, and I'm not sure that's the most likely scenario. That said, if Trump loses Florida, he'd probably have to win Pennsylvania and Colorado to have a chance. He'd need Pennsylvania if he loses North Carolina. And Colorado would suffice if he loses either New Hampshire or Nevada. If he lost New Hampshire and Nevada but carried Colorado and the second district of Maine, it would probably end up a tie.

    20. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Early mail-in ballot results are often not a good indicator of who is going to win a particular state.

    21. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FL and OH will probably go Trump.

      CO, NV, MI, and PA are a tossup (leaning hillary).
      NH, NC and one from ME is looking like a tossup (leaning trump)

      It comes down to PA. Is my prediction.

      Even if she takes PA and he manages to do something like flip two of the other iffy state (like CO and NV). This is also unlikely but if he flips MI it is also over for her.

      If she takes FL he would have to flip something like MI NV and PA to win. That is unlikely.

      If she manages to flip a normally red state to blue (GA) it is also likely done for him.

      All of that is using the thumbs on the scales numbers the media has been saying. I would not trust 2012 numbers to predict this year. Obama is not running. There are also a few spots where this could tie.

      I would say 30/70 (in favor of her just by the number of combos she has to win). Where I live there are no signs for any of the candidates. NONE. This place usually has hundreds of the things everywhere. It is very odd. There are signs for other races but 0 for the presidential candidates. When it comes down to PA it will basically be the large cities vs the rest of the state deciding who wins. Probably not as nail biting as 2000 but by 200k either way.

      If you want a clue as to where it is close watch where they both are. They are using real numbers and know what is going on. The media seems to be using 2012 numbers which are not right. Just the 'black vote' seems to be going back to the norms of 20/80 not 2/98.

      Also someone showing up to take a shot at him, plus that spiritdinner shit is not helping her at all. Tomorrow is sunday. There will a lot of pastors talking about it. Even if it is an art piece most people are going to go 'ugh thats sick'. Peoples enthusiasm for her seems to be very low. She can not even get people to stick around to listen to her after a large free concert by JayZ and Beyonce.

      Personally my only reason for voting trump is TPP. TPP is seriously bad news for everyone involved except a handful of very large companies. It is an end run around the will of the people. It does things like requires law makers to give pre copies of laws to companies 3 months in advance to everyone else so they can have their input. That is just one tiny piece. Hillary will sign it, of that I have 0 doubt. All the other stuff is just political theatrics.

      People see him as this hardline dude. He negotiates everything. He does classic sales anchoring. Say something outrageous and find out what the middle is then find out of both sides can come out ahead. Programmers call them marketing. He is by far one of the best I have ever seen. I grew up around these sorts of dudes. Everything is negotiable, and I mean everything. That crazy wall of his? Already negotiated to something else. Hell it was something Hillary voted for when she was a senator. So it cant be too crazy of an idea. I think he has also realized something as his speeches have changed in the past 2-3 weeks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... He has realized people want him to do the right thing. I think Americans actually manged to humble a landlord billionaire (if even for a moment).

      On the other side Hillary shows she feels entitled to this job https://www.youtube.com/watch?... This is how she wants to negotiate with her opposition https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Her initial position is 'you are wrong, I know better, and fuck you'.

      Last year I told everyone I know there is one person that could make me vote for Hillary and that man is Donald Trump. Both have managed to change my mind.

    22. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, let's hope our President says stupid catch phrases!

      You're a fucking moron.

    23. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much of your analysis is pretty solid, through I'm skeptical that you see Nevada leaning toward Hillary. RCP shows Trump with a 2% lead in recent Nevada polls, though well within the margin of error. All of the projections of Nevada from 538 are basically 50-50 or 51-49 for Trump. Although 538 has suggested that they may be underestimating Hillary's support in Nevada, it seems like it's basically a toss-up. There's little doubt that Trump has narrowed the gap in Florida, though it's hardly clear that he has a lead. I wouldn't put Florida in the same category as Ohio. It seems like Ohio is about as strongly leaning for Trump as Pennsylvania is leaning for Hillary. I'd say that Nevada, Florida, North Carolina, New Hampshire, and Maine's second district are all toss-ups, nearly 50-50.

    24. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sure, there are many problems with polls, including the margin of error, poor polling methods, unwillingness to release poll results that differ significantly from other polls, and inherent biases from how some polls are conducted. However flawed, they are still useful in projecting the outcome of an election. They're more accurate when you take an average of several recent polls, which is how RealClearPolitics generates their projections. This is taken further by FiveThirtyEight, which attempts to quantify the relative importance of individual polls, weighting them based on how recent they are, the sample size, and the historical accuracy of polls conducted by that firm, and quality of the firm conducting the poll. The estimates at FiveThirtyEight attempt to correct for inherent biases in some polls conducted by some firms. Because polling data can be sparse in some states, they also update their projections for individual states based on correlations with polls in other, similar, states and national polls. It's not perfect, but it probably reduces the amount of error in the estimate a bit. Just because polls are flawed doesn't mean they're useless. For example, FiveThirtyEight has an excellent record of projecting the outcome of individual states in prior elections, including many of the battleground states.

    25. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by sexconker · · Score: 1

      As the stock market hasn't changed appreciably,

      I've been losing about 1 % in most of my shit ever day that more Hillary emails hit the media.

      No Brexit style drop, but absolutely appreciable declines whenever the Donald shows signs of life.

    26. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by sexconker · · Score: 0

      Vote early, vote often. The Democrat way.

    27. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by wasted · · Score: 1

      I have had a drink or two too many to reasonably explain the correlation between stock prices and candidate success, but let me try, anyway, as I get another beverage. And, of course, this is all just my opinion.

      Here goes. The Treasury bill is considered one of the safest investments. Money is incredibly safe in a treasury bill, and there will be some return on that investment. Investors will put money into other investments with higher risk, expecting higher return on that money. So, if an investor is going to get x percent return on a treasury bill, that investor would only invest in another stock if they were to get x+y percent return on a stock investment, where y is the additional return they would expect before investing in that stock.

      So, let's say the 1-year treasury bill has a 1 percent return, and the investor wants a 3% cushion to invest elsewhere. That means that the investor is looking for a 4 percent return on investment (ROI) annually. So, if the stock has an expected ROI of 4%, it is a break-even risk-wise with a treasury bill, and a $100 stock with a $4 ROI is an equivalent risk to the theoretical investor.

      Next, let's assume that the economy improves, so that treasury bills are paying 2%. That same stock with the same risk would now have to have an ROI of 5% for the investor to buy that stock. If the stock is expected to have the same dollar return, it is now worth only $80. The return on investment would be the same, but when the risk is compared to the risk of a treasury bill, the value is less. So, the improving economy results in a lower stock price due to the preceding dismal economy.

      As treasury bill rates are tied to the economy, eventually stock prices will fall in line and returns will increase when the economy has completely finished recovering, and treasury bill rates reflect a healthy economy.

      The other possibility would be that after the election, investors don't see any opportunities worth the risk, investments go to overseas stocks, and all of my few yards of fertile land become dedicated to growing food.

      I could have this wrong, and I hope any economists that see errors corrects me

    28. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Vote early, vote often. The Democrat way."

      Except, of course, that is exactly what Trump is advocating:
      http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-tells-early-voters-change-ballots-buyers-remorse/story?id=43230844

      The trick here is for Trump to throw as much sleaze out in the next two days as possible; it no longer matters if it isn't even remotely true; Fact Checkers will be dealing with other matters come Wednesday morning.
      The problem is, is that this could backfire, if revulsion for him reaches such a level that former mail-in Trump Voters change their Ballots on Tuesday to Johnson, or just leave that part of the Ballot blank, and still vote Straight R for everything else. (May not be Legal in your Jurisdiction.)

      I'm betting that Trump can't help himself, and that the next 48 hours or so will be most entertaining. Currently, Trump Surrogates are tweeting about an Assassination attempt by You Know Who... although that turned out to be a dissident Republican just holding a sign. In a crowd full of his most Rabid Supporters, just somebody mentioning "He has a gun" tends to bring out the Deplorable in all.
      (Nostalgia may play a part here with the Deplorables, with certain Trump supporters just itching for a return to the days of Hamilton and Burr, when Political Issues were settled with Dueling Pistols. Trump would love to have those TV Rights...)

    29. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...the Osama Bin Laden family is suing Clinton..."
        That isn't even remotely true, you fucking Right Wing Liar. When did this become acceptable behavior to lie so brazenly? (What was posted before this lie is just another Revenge Fantasy fed repeatedly by a dangerous megalomaniacal Lunatic.) Trump has far more to fear from armed and disappointed followers than the many thousands of people suing him.

        The next two days are going to be messy, and unfortunately it's the Deplorables who have the Guns, and some have stated that they are prepared to use them when Trump loses. Just on whom is subject to speculation.

    30. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, I much prefer the imagery of Trump likely to be eaten by a Grue... in a pantsuit.

    31. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNN is not a reliable source.

    32. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump will win Arizona. 100% certainty. Not sure why they think it's a battleground state.

    33. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in a liberal city of a liberal state. I mostly see signs for Trump. Rarely Hillary. Granted at work most coworkers are clearly for Hillary. Trump supporters are far and few between, or we tell our liberal friends we're voting for Johnson (but we're actually voting for Trump)

    34. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, given the voter fraud that happened in the primaries in Arizona:

      http://www.salon.com/2016/03/3...

      Maybe the polls there just reflect the chances that Hillary can rig it.

    35. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Camshaft_90 · · Score: 0

      Add the WH and the US Gov to the list of unreliable sources.

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    36. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I wonder if it will really be settled next week. If Trump loses he will claim it was rigged, and the GOP will never stop trying to impeach Clinton. If he wins, the claims of voter fraud have already been fueled by confirmed cases.

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    37. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can guarantee you with 100% certainty that Donald Trump will not be the next president of the USA.

    38. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      voter fraud be damned! Oh, wait, this comment was planted by a trump supporter who wants "lesser" evil's votes to be disqualified, by way of voter fraud.

    39. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      The bad thing is that a lot of what they're saying is true. Provably true. It's gotten to the point that even if she wins she loses. She's going to start her presidency with a cloud of scandal. The majority of the people that are going to vote for her think she's a liar and corrupt....because she is. That's leaving out the 40 percent that just flat hate everything about her. It's going to start bad and then get worse. Once people start to dig into your history they don't stop and there's plenty of dirt there with no real need to invent it.

    40. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by khallow · · Score: 1

      Next, let's assume that the economy improves, so that treasury bills are paying 2%.

      That happened because the treasury bill dropped roughly 1% in value because they're moving money to some other investment, namely stocks.

      That same stock with the same risk would now have to have an ROI of 5% for the investor to buy that stock.

      Which is more likely to happen because the economy improved. You will see higher stock prices as a result.

    41. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Z80a · · Score: 1

      If you murder Trump, pence wins, if you murder Hillary, kaine wins, mostly on the base of they not being Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton.

    42. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only Republicans vote twice.

    43. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by cain · · Score: 1

      ...and the confirmed cases this election are people trying to vote for multiple times for Trump because of his hyperbolic claims of rampant voter fraud.

      31 confirmed cases of voter fraud since 2000. 31 out of 1,000,000,000 votes cast. Voter fraud is a lie in the US.

    44. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a deep breath. Will all be over after Tuesday.

      Oh and most likely stock market is only a loss if you cash in your stocks before the roller coaster is over.

    45. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Imrik · · Score: 1

      They're at the top of the list already.

    46. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Imrik · · Score: 1

      I would have more confidence in those numbers if there were actually checks for voter fraud. In my state at least illegal immigrants and convicted felons can vote without consequences as long as they're willing to lie and say they're eligible.

    47. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Thirty one cases you say? I guess this non-exhaustive list of 430+ confirmed convictions of voter fraud must be wrong. I guess all those court decisions were faked...

      Not to mention we find report after report where dozens of ballots are sent to fictional people, where hundreds of ballots are "discovered" in an unsecured warehouse a month after the election and end up changing the results of the election, or where the dead continue to vote (and you know, it's hard to charge and convict a dead person for fraud).

      I'm sure you'll come back and say "438 is irrelevant, still a small number!" Great - so how many cases are actually needed for you to be concerned about it?

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    48. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And maybe that can be one positive outcome of this crazy mess. Our voting system is totally insane - I received mail-in ballots in two states - I easily could return them both if I wanted to, odds are low anyone would verify.

      Similar to Trump's "locker room talk" - it gives us all a great platform with which we can look down on such speech.

    49. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Geez, you're proving my point. You lot don't care if you are lying, or even if you are caught lying. You just repeat over and over again vague rumors, and make stuff up on the fly, because Trump isn't just a Candidate for you, he is an Affirmation. Say, do, intimidate in any way you can to get whatever you want. You really are Deplorable.

      "The majority of the people that are going to vote for her think she's a liar and corrupt....because she is. "
      No, we think that she is a Politician, fully aware of how sausage is made. Trump isn't a Politician, he is a Thug. And so are you.

      "That's leaving out the 40 percent that just flat hate everything about her. Once people start to dig into your history they don't stop..."
      I'm sure that when Clinton takes the Podium next January, you lot will already be working out how to sabotage the Administration for the next four years, simply because of your own blind savage hatred. That 40% figure, and your Guns, may just be right. You left out the 60% that won't be actively engaging in Treason.
      You are going to lose. Is it remotely possible that you will take it like a Grownup... take it...like a Man?

    50. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Not all the guns, not by a long shot.

    51. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "vague rumors"? There is an absolute mountain of hard evidence (email and financial trails, not just accusations) that she has committed numerous, serious crimes. Crimes that make Nixon look like a boyscout.

      Yet, for some reason, she has this network of brainwashed supporters who will either ignore the evidence, or try to twist it so that they can claim it's not a crime and then accuse Trump of the exact same crime! When you look into the accusations against Trump, there's usually no evidence at all, and it's baseless accusations and hearsay. How many people out there were claiming he's a rapist because some Jane Doe filed a lawsuit? The Jane Doe who provided an address of a house that had no occupant for over a year. The case was tossed out because of this, then it was refiled and eventually dropped again. It's an obvious smear attempt with zero evidence behind it, and yet the Clinton cult then twist the story into "oh she received death threats and was bullied by Trump into dropping the case", all while ignoring the fact that it's a Jane Doe filing, nobody had any idea who it was, so how could they be threatened? Nearly every other attack against the guy amounts to "he said mean things" or this bizarre focus on his tax return. All these media outlets owned by the elites working against him, they must have dozens of people working around the clock to dig up dirt on him, and these kinds of things are the best they can come up with? I don't find Trump to be a very likeable individual, but he's looking like a saint when compared to the other career politicians invovled.

      Normally when I ask "wtf is wrong with you", it's a rhetorical question, more of a comment. But in this case I have to ask, in all seriousness:

      Clinton supporters: What the fuck is wrong with you?!

      The only valid defense is that you don't know about any of the email leaks or crimes Clinton and the DNC have committed, probably due to the media collusion that works to hide it all and whitewash what does make it to the public's eyes/ears. The same media collusion that is well documented in the Podesta emails.

      I completely understand someone not liking Trump and not wanting to vote for him. But to support Hillary with the knowledge of what she's done? It's absolutely immoral. There ARE other candidates you can vote for.

    52. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

      They just better be careful. Some gays have guns.

    53. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by laird · · Score: 1

      And most other analysts put Clinton 85-95% odds of winning. If you dig into 538's numbers, the polls average Clinton being up by 5%, and 538 shifts everything 2% in Trump's favor (their opinion: all polls are biased 2% towards Clinton, though it's not clear why they think so) then say that since it's only 3% gap, and individual polls typically have around a 3% "margin of error" for 95% confidence, it's possible that ALL polls are off by 3% in Clinton's favor. Mathematically true - but the odds of hundreds of polls all being off by the full margin of error in the same direction is not 35%, it's vanishingly small.

    54. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The corrupt GOP establishment thinks Pence would make a great president. Paul (omni-bus) Ryan is busy campaigning for him right now.

    55. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "There is an absolute mountain of hard evidence (email and financial trails, not just accusations) that she has committed numerous, serious crimes."
      "The only valid defense is that you don't know about any of the email leaks or crimes Clinton and the DNC have committed, probably due to the media collusion that works to hide it all and whitewash what does make it to the public's eyes/ears. "

      First you claim that there is a mountain of hard evidence, and then you claim that a Conspiracy is hiding it all up. You can't have it both ways. Where is this mythical Mountain? Those things aren't hard to hide. What I want you to do, you lousy lazy crazy Blowhard, is come right here and post it. That's right, all the Court Documents, the warrants, the arrests, the sworn testimony, the convictions, the appeals... all of it. But you have _nothing_, except Lies and Conspiracies.

      Now as for Trump, here is an article from what is normally considered an impartial source, with 194 references:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump
      Oh, never mind; Wikipedia is part of your Great Conspiracy.

      "Clinton supporters: What the fuck is wrong with you?!"
      We're Sane. Something that you are not guilty of. You are utterly innocent of Sanity.

      Captcha: shredder

    56. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will never be able to vote for another Democrat in my life thanks to wiki leaks, and I've got about 6 more elections in me.

    57. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check it out, some CTR-style copypasta from Nimble Rich Man's crew. It's not just Clinton, boys.

    58. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bad thing is that a lot of what they're saying is true. Provably true. It's gotten to the point that even if she wins she loses. She's going to start her presidency with a cloud of scandal. The majority of the people that are going to vote for her think she's a liar and corrupt....because she is. That's leaving out the 40 percent that just flat hate everything about her. It's going to start bad and then get worse. Once people start to dig into your history they don't stop and there's plenty of dirt there with no real need to invent it.

      With the exception that in Hillary's case they have been digging since the early 1990s and the best they came up with was the Monica Lewinsky scandal and a lot of other things that have been the flavor of the week "Oh we have Hillary going to prison for this now" crap which has yet to find anything that is not something all of the other politicians have done many times and been documented as doing . (Colin Powell used a private email server, but no one is trying to lock him up.. why? because he is Republican?) I agree that the Republican idiots will grind our country to a halt while the world passes us by, in the name of undermining President Clinton. I think that is where the people turn around and decide they are sick of the lies and manipulations of the Right and get rid of them in large numbers. A storm is coming people.

    59. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by God+of+Lemmings · · Score: 1

      Which are based on polls that are under-sampling republicans, independents, or males by enough points to give her an edge.

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    60. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go and look Clinton Cash on youtube

    61. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

      What poll is that based on? ;)

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    62. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Next time count secret service agents to determine amount of ammo to bring....

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    63. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Which are based on polls that are under-sampling republicans, independents, or males by enough points to give her an edge.

      I'm not talking about the popular vote. The electoral college map for 2016 is identical to 2008 and 2012. Hillary started off 268 electoral votes. Trump started off with 206 electoral votes. That meant that Trump had to perform better than McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012 to have a chance at winning. Like everything else in this election, he blew that off too and will lose in a landslide.

    64. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by mlyle · · Score: 1

      As others have already pointed out, this is not true-- there are more than 31 documented cases, and the controls to actually detect voter fraud in a way that we could consider "confirmed" or garner a conviction are very weak.

      I both A) have faith in our electoral system and B) think that there's a lot more cases of voter fraud that go undetected, but still not enough to tip over elections in anything but the most extreme circumstance... but... There's lots of smart people-- can't we figure out how to set up better controls so that we would actually know the rate and can prevent a fair bit more without unduly denying people participation in the election? Wouldn't it be better to KNOW?

    65. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not fired; I'm betting that if Clinton wins she'll take the form of a giant sloar and Trump will be roasted.

      Trump is an orange staypuft marshmallow man and the Ghostbusters won by crossing the streams. I hate marshmallow, yet had to laugh when Willam Atherton's Walter Peck character got drowned in a giant dollop of roasted stay puff marshmallow goop. Fitting final scene in the careers of Sean Hannity and Kelly Anne Conway.

    66. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      I have come to the conclusion that one of the reasons we do not have better controls in order to know the level of voter fraud is because a significant number of the people who would need to get behind implementing those controls desire some level of voter fraud. The reason I have reached that conclusion is because the arguments against controls designed to detect voter fraud are either that there is no reason to have such controls because we have never detected any significant amount of voter fraud or emotional (controls to detect voter fraud are racist, discriminate against the poor, etc). Which leads me to suspect that voter fraud occurs on a much higher level than I would have otherwise guessed.

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    67. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Do you think they would go this far?

    68. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps nobody explained this to you, so since you're obviously a Trump supporter, allow me to: A 34.2% chance of winning is a 65.8% chance of losing.

    69. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      The bad thing is that a lot of what they're saying is true. Provably true. It's gotten to the point that even if she wins she loses. She's going to start her presidency with a cloud of scandal. The majority of the people that are going to vote for her think she's a liar and corrupt....because she is. That's leaving out the 40 percent that just flat hate everything about her. It's going to start bad and then get worse. Once people start to dig into your history they don't stop and there's plenty of dirt there with no real need to invent it.

      That's the notable part of this vote. BOTH candidates are hated by more people than are liked. Usually the candidates have higher likeability ratings, but the voting population hates both Clinton and Trump. The only reason Clinton is winning is they hate Clinton slightly less than Trump.

      It is expected that either candidate will be a 1-term president - the other side will simply pick a more likable candidate.

      Effectively, everyone is voting for who they hate least, not who they'd like.

    70. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I realize that it is from a very biased source, but the methodology used by 538 is pretty goofy.

    71. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      That sort of voter fraud is really inefficient. Making it hard for the people you dislike (typically ones who lean Democrat) is much more effective.

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    72. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Alternately, make it hard for groups that favor your opponents to vote. The Republican way.

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    73. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 'oversampled' polls were internal. There are reasons to oversample, and it has nothing to do with getting a larger lead.

    74. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      31 confirmed cases of voter fraud since 2000. 31 out of 1,000,000,000 votes cast. Voter fraud is a lie in the US.

      Which means absolutely nothing, because we have no way to detect voter fraud.

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    75. Re:Obviously, a failed time travel mission by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Been watching the election results dude? I was wrong. It seems she's not going to win. It's probably the best thing that could have happened to her. I've changed my mind about her though. I don't want him to lock her up. Just let her fade away like an unpleasant memory.

    76. Re: Obviously, a failed time travel mission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can guarantee you with 100% certainty that Donald Trump will not be the next president of the USA.

      D'oh

  2. It was a guy with a sign by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Troll

    So, this would-be Dietrich Bonhoeffer turned out to be just a Republican with a sign. He has been released by the Secret Service. There was never a threat to Mr Trump.

    But I did notice that when Trump minced off the stage with the Secret Service the bone spurs that kept him out of the draft didn't seem to be bothering him.

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    1. Re:It was a guy with a sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Won't stop the Trumpshills and the bought-and-sold Republican media (i.e. pretty much all of it) from hyping up the incident as further proof of their so-called Lord Trump and using lies about it as ammunition against Hillary.

      God, this election is so fucked. It perfectly reflects the fall of the USA over the last 15 years after we stupidly and blindly allowed the terrorists to scare us to fucking death, force government fascism, and divide us.

    2. Re: It was a guy with a sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean the terrorists that you created, financed, armed and trained?

      What a shame that came back to bite you...

      Why do people who think they are smart post such stupid things?

    3. Re: It was a guy with a sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because all the Hillary supporters read Yahoo and CNN, and think they know it all.

    4. Re: It was a guy with a sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing it wasn't that Anonymous coward who created etc all the terrorists and might even have been against it.

    5. Re:It was a guy with a sign by Xenographic · · Score: 2

      Bought media? You mean like Correct the Record and the other media we can see being in the bag thanks to Podesta's emails? Or are you going to repeat the lie that they're "altered" even though we have DKIM authentication from Google's servers (among others) for the relevant emails? Or like the Washington Post which held an illicit fundraiser with the DNC that their lawyers would "never" allow? I've linked to all of these previously many times.

      And if you want to talk about terrorists, you might want to see who has been destabilizing Syria for fun -
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      We wouldn't have a lot of this crap like the migrant crisis if they weren't trying to destabilize the area and take over.

    6. Re:It was a guy with a sign by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      I should also mention that someone was going on about assassinating Trump in the chat for that event just before this.

      So, honestly, it looks like another setup to me.

      Need to find whoever it was that started shouting about the gun.

    7. Re:It was a guy with a sign by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Need to find whoever it was that started shouting about the gun.

      It was Chris Christie.

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    8. Re:It was a guy with a sign by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the cleaning lady that was asked to print out e-mails so clinton could read them:

      http://nypost.com/2016/11/06/c...

    9. Re:It was a guy with a sign by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Source?

    10. Re:It was a guy with a sign by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Source?

      Actually, I got that wrong. Now the news is reporting the first photographs of the woman who shouted "gun" at the Trump Reno rally last night:

      http://www.photoshoppix.com/mo...

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  3. It was a guy with a sign ... by thrillseeker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... that said "Republicans Against Trump", and then some unidentified asshole yelled "gun!" and the crowd went wild - hope they find the asshole that yelled "Fire in a crowded theater" just for the hell of it, and hang his ass.

    1. Re:It was a guy with a sign ... by thrillseeker · · Score: 1

      "whispering to people" - ye Gods, what was the man thinking - what's courteous discourse coming to?

    2. Re:It was a guy with a sign ... by quantaman · · Score: 1, Interesting

      ... that said "Republicans Against Trump", and then some unidentified asshole yelled "gun!" and the crowd went wild - hope they find the asshole that yelled "Fire in a crowded theater" just for the hell of it, and hang his ass.

      The reason that asshole yelled gun is because Trump regularly sicks his crowd on protesters (and the media), and has even directly endorsed violence against protesters. In this clip two of his supporters "took action" against a protester (if you jump to 4:00 it sounds like that includes punches) and Trump's reaction was to bring them on stage to thank and honour them.

      The guy who yelled gun probably probably thought Trump would congratulate him on the clever idea, and I'm not sure he was wrong.

      That's one of the ways authoritarians work, they don't need to do their own dirty work, they rely on their supporters for that. They just need to make sure their supporters know they're safe to break the rules in going after the enemy. And one thing Trump is pretty consistent on is not acting to restrain the extremists in his base.

      By contrast here's how a proper president handles a protester.

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    3. Re:It was a guy with a sign ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DNC is the one using interns to stage fights.
      Here is the uncut embarrassment of Obama being incapable of controlling a crowd.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PA6vPYfbk8

    4. Re:It was a guy with a sign ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      What happened to that campaign to allow guns at the rallies?

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    5. Re:It was a guy with a sign ... by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1
      Excerpt from a first hand account

      I'm a bit shaken still, but I wanted to get this out there: the crazy guy had a REPUBLICANS AGAINST TRUMP sign. He started shoving his way towards the front of the crowd. I was 3 people back from the front row and about 6 feet from this guy. He started to jump up and down and almost acting like a mosh pit.

      He was pushing and shoving people. He knocked people over, including elderly. Children were right there, too. You see trump shade his eyes twice as he watches what is happening and doesn't acknowledge it until the guy gets so violent that some men tackle him.

      This is when Trump made the comment about him being paid and to get him out. Many people fell over in the process. About 6 or more men restrained him, and in the process, one of those men got up and yelled that he had a gun. It took about 5 or 6 shouts before secret service heard and reacted.

      ...

      For those of you making light of the fact there was no gun -- hindsight is 20/20, but I[n] that insane moment things went in slow motion and dozens if not hundreds of us were in fear.

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    6. Re:It was a guy with a sign ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Project Veritas has done good investigative videos on the democrat birddogging activities.
      They send people to Trump rallies to kick and injure people, so the media will report that Trump rallies are dangerous.

    7. Re: It was a guy with a sign ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ho ho that's funny, the idea of Democrats surreptitiously going round kicking Republicans without them noticing, then skipping off to kick someone else. That's about as cunning a plot as I've ever heard.

    8. Re:It was a guy with a sign ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole voter fraud/dead grandma thing is absolute reddit-investigates type bullshit, you understand?

      It's simply untrue.

  4. The summary forgot to mention something... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It doesn't help that someone shouted "gun" when the protester stood up with a sign.

    A Secret Service spokesperson said in a statement that an "unidentified individual" shouted "gun" in the audience, though no weapon was found after a "thorough search."

    1. Re:The summary forgot to mention something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Eyewitness accounts have him shoving people and making a huge amount of bullshit. He was waving a "Republicans against Trump" sign, but his name appears in the Stratfor documents on wikileaks, so he was probably another Democrat plant- "birddogging", they call it, as documented in the Project Veritas videos you inevitably don't believe even though you can see and hear them say it, or in the wikileaks emails where they discuss birddogging.

      If he had just "stood up with a sign", no one would have done anything. He made exactly as much of a ruckus as he needed to get the people around him to have the reaction that they did, and to have the Secret Service respond as they did. It's very likely that the person who yelled "gun" was also a Democrat plant, but that one we'll just have to guess about. This assclown we know for sure.

    2. Re:The summary forgot to mention something... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      A Secret Service spokesperson said in a statement that an "unidentified individual" shouted "gun" in the audience, though no weapon was found after a "thorough search."

      We now have photographs of the person who shouted "gun".

      https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media...

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    3. Re:The summary forgot to mention something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was staged. The guy they caught is mentioned in the wikileaks emails by name.
      He works for the dnc.

      Guarantee whoever shouted 'gun' was working with him. Trying to get a violent response out of the trump crowd.

      captcha : circus (see even it knows)

    4. Re:The summary forgot to mention something... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Standard practice at Standing Rock. I could have sworn that .38 handguns are not long thin cylinders made of wood.

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  5. Election fraud with synonymous with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Arizona

  6. I wonder how they will target europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since at least in the Netherlands (and presumably in the rest of Europe) we don't use electronic voting and we require voter ID.

    1. Re:I wonder how they will target europe by GNious · · Score: 1

      There are places with electronic voting in the EU - Estonia was one of the first one to introduce it.

    2. Re:I wonder how they will target europe by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 1

      They target Europe by thousands of trolls on forums and social media, which spread disinformation on a massive scale and link up with already existing protest-voter sentiments, and by financial and ideological support to right-wing groups. So far, it works amazingly well and I can only hope that authorities across Europe start to take actions against this. At least the botnets and fake media accounts should be destroyed more actively.

    3. Re:I wonder how they will target europe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody has to hack the voting itself. If you want to imagine what the Russians hacking your election would look like, just imagine:

      - stories breaking periodically in the press that spread doubt and innuendo (with or without supporting evidence) against one side or the other
      - every story discussed on social media by dozens of people who seem to know more about it than you do, and who throw doubt on the "official" versions *and* on each other's accounts
      - sudden reversals and revelations - often debunked a few days later - affecting candidates.

      The whole effect is to create a huge cloud of doubt in voters' minds. What can they believe? What is true? (Nothing, apparently.) In that atmosphere, people become highly manipulable. That's how Putin would go about hacking a Dutch election, if he decides it's worth the time.

  7. There's already folks showing up to the polls by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    with guns just askin' questions like "Who's voting for Crooked Hillary?". And you wonder why the Dems have higher rates of early & by mail voting. I'm a Dem and I won't be within 500 yards of a polling place on Tuesday if my life depended on it. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's the opposite...

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    1. Re:There's already folks showing up to the polls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sheesh. If you believe that, you likely believe crooked Hillary isn't a lying corrupt megalomaniac either. I'm glad you're staying home.

    2. Re:There's already folks showing up to the polls by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      I'm glad you're staying home.

      You're overlooking the fact that the OP has already voted by mail-in ballot and doesn't need to go in person to vote.

  8. election is compromised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hillary is going to make you get GAY MARRIED! She's controlling your election and your ERECTION! She's going to make you HARD GAY!

    1. Re:election is compromised by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      I suppose if there's a therapy that can make you like skirts... https://www.youtube.com/result...

    2. Re:election is compromised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hoooooo!

    3. Re:election is compromised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hard Gay? Really?

      That guy is pretty funny.

  9. Re:Jokes on them by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    The intellectuals, the technicians, the business people, even the nobility, have disentangled themselves from the and generally dampened the effects of the vote on themselves and even partake in the vote-selling for a little extra cash for that cool intellectually-pleasing bauble. Either that or engage in vote buying of their own directed at the candidate that promises them the coolest baubles. They aren't immune from wanting to pad their own accounts and believing that this is the best way to come out a little more ahead than they would previously.

  10. Haydens inflamatory remarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have little sympathy for Trump. I read CIA Chiefs Haydens assessment of Trump (basically calling a Putin stooge), and since Hayden was CIA chief during many of the claims he's making (and thus knew more than he can publicly disclose), when he hints the guy is basically a Putin puppet, he's probably hinting at far worse.

    It's the politicial equivalent of 'lighting up' a target. In this case sticking a big "traitor" signpost on Trump. That would resonate hard with Republican loyal to their country not to Trump.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/former-cia-chief-trump-is-russias-useful-fool/2016/11/03/cda42ffe-a1d5-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html

    He pointed out Paul Manafort, his campaign chief was PR consultant to Russia's puppet leader in Ukraine, Viktor Yanokovych and Carter Page with deep ties to Russian oil, gas and money.

    He all but called him a liar, quoting Trumps' "no business investments in Russia" and his sons 2008 admission that most “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets".

    "Trump also echoes Putin when it comes to Syria and the Islamic State, or ISIS. Here he follows the Moscow line that we and the Russians have common purpose and that Russia and Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad (and Iran) are “killing ISIS.”"
    "Actually, they are not. They are bucking up the Assad regime that, if anyone is keeping score, has killed more innocents than the Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusra, the al-Qaeda affiliate, have combined. And the attractiveness of the Islamic State and al-Qaeda to Sunni Muslims is a direct byproduct of the depredations of the Assad regime — the regime that Russia saved from collapse a year ago."

    i.e. working with US enemies to undermine Americas position.

    1. Re: Haydens inflamatory remarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't disagree that some of Trump's statements line up with Putin's view of the world. But I believe both of them have valid criticisms about the US system, regardless of the motivation of those critiques. If we work to make our system objectively better the whole world benefits.

  11. And that's how it is done by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All but two U.S. states have accepted help from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security

    I would much rather have someone that I trust helping than the D.H.S.

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    1. Re:And that's how it is done by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      All but two U.S. states have accepted help from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security

      I would much rather have someone that I trust helping than the D.H.S.

      Just be thankful we're not getting the help from the TSA.

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    2. Re:And that's how it is done by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

      Who do you think runs the T.S.A.?

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  12. not in N.C. by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Funny

    In N.C. the feds struck down our law to require ID because it discriminated against those wanting to commit voter fraud.

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    1. Re: not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sure both individuals who will comit voter fraud are delighted.

    2. Re:not in N.C. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      In N.C. the feds struck down our law to require ID because it discriminated against those wanting to commit voter fraud.

      It was a bit more complicated than that. NC Republicans hired consultants and statisticians to analyse voting patterns, and then legislated restrictions on early voting, closed polling places in minority neighborhoods, and yes, instituted voter ID requirements. All of this was carefully planned and scientifically designed to suppress minority voting. Basically, NC Republicans Moneyballed racism.

    3. Re:not in N.C. by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Informative

      Voter fraud is extremely rare, and the courts are enforcing federal law that makes sure people like you can't use it for cover to disenfranchise minorities.

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    4. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You keep using this word "rare." I do not think it means what you think it means.

    5. Re:not in N.C. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Rare would mean statistically insignificant, which is what voter fraud is. Unfortunately, other kinds of rigging, like targeting certain groups of minority voters and trying to prevent them from voting, is a bit more common, but I don't see any tears being cried over that by the alt-right delicate snowflakes who are so infantile that they have to spin tales of conspiracy because they're too emotionally unstable to accept that Trump was possibly the worst choice the Republicans could have made in a presidential candidate.

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    6. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh huh. Do the words "hanging chad" mean anything to you?

    7. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In Arizona we require identification in order to vote. Strangely this law has not been struck down. It's almost as though it's common fucking sense to require everyone to provide ID.

      Or would you be totally fine with, say, Russian agents voting in our elections because nobody bothered to make sure they were citizens?

    8. Re:not in N.C. by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Voter fraud is extremely rare, and the courts are enforcing federal law that makes sure people like you can't use it for cover to disenfranchise minorities.

      Not entirely.

      It's beyond doubt that a lot of mail-in votes, if they're not actually filled in by a spouse, are done with the spouse's supervision (probably the man) to make sure the right candidate is being chosen.

      Of course this kind of fraud is very hard to prove. And since mail-in voters are predominantly Republican no one is trying to suppress it.

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    9. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a resident of North Carolina, they actually had studies and records where they took the time to research which forms of identification that certain minorities statistically lacked more than others and then specifically targeted them. It was basically a surgical strike a voter disenfranchisement.

      And voter ID laws have shown to do more harm than good with many areas than actively making them harder to get in strategic locations afterward to make it harder for people in those areas to vote.

      Voter ID laws to protect our votes is needed about as much as shark protection in Tennessee with the only place with rampant voter fraud being the only place where ID laws wouldn't matter, state legislatures where they have been caught repeatedly voting on behalf of members whom aren't there and have even have people recorded on bills after they had died the same day. I believe it was called "Ghost Voting"

      At the public level, you would be disenfranchising over 2 million legitimate voters for ever 1 act of fraud you maybe have stopped as the average fraud isn't found with the voters but with those running it which the ID laws would not effect in the slightest.

    10. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it the people constantly claiming voter fraud is rare are ALWAYS partisan fucksticks who work for the Democrat party and spam on their behalf all day and all night? It's not like we don't have 2 senior Democrats on tape admitting to voter fraud. Massive voter fraud.

    11. Re:not in N.C. by Orgasmatron · · Score: 2, Informative

      I applaud you sir! You have, in your mind, defined the problem so narrowly that you are only willing to see evidence that cannot possibly exist. You must've been paying attention in Gaslighting 101.

      I assure you that only diehard fanatics like yourself obsess over whatever activity you specifically define as "voter fraud". Most of us humans, however, are gravely concerned about honest and fair elections, and the threats are many, including voter fraud, election fraud, and whatever other forms of fraud could possibly interfere.

      Indiana

      California

      Florida (Note that the response to this was to send out 173,000 more blank ballots.

      More Florida

      Anyone that cares to spend a little time searching can probably find similar stories from nearly any state. Oh, and of course the Project Veritas Action videos show people discussing the mechanics of successful fraud, clearly from a position of personal knowledge.

      Keep in mind that a lot of this fraud is very hard to prove. In nearly every story, the people involved protest their innocence. Bank robbers caught in the act tend to do that too, of course, as do innocent people. A year from now, we'll know the extent of the fraud that was caught and prosecuted, and maybe have an idea of the fraud that was caught, but not prosecuted, and absolutely no idea how much fraud was not caught.

      Further info:

      Racist India

      Racist Mexico

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    12. Re:not in N.C. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      In N.C. the feds struck down our law to require ID because it discriminated against those wanting to commit voter fraud.

      So far, it looks like the only ones committing voter fraud are Republicans. From: Republicans and the Myth of Election Fraud

      Many of these voter-suppression measures have become law despite clear evidence that voter fraud is practically nonexistent.

      Recently, though, a fraud case did arise — though it wasn’t exactly the kind that Republicans have so loudly warned about.

      Last week, around the time when Donald J. Trump was in Iowa, the Des Moines police arrested a resident named Terri Lynn Rote on suspicion of voter fraud, a Class D felony in Iowa. Apparently persuaded by Mr. Trump’s rhetoric that the “system is rigged,” Ms. Rote, the police said, cast ballots for Mr. Trump at two early voting sites.

      In Florida, another crucial swing state where Mr. Trump has fumed about a vast conspiracy to rig the election against him, a poll worker in Miami, Gladys Coego, was accused of illegally marking ballots on behalf of a Republican mayoral candidate. She has also been arrested.

      Apparently, NC has been trying especially hard to suppress Democratic voters:

      Unfortunately, early voting in North Carolina has already demonstrated the need for greater voter-protection efforts. When the Fourth Circuit’s ruling late last summer required restoration of early voting hours, the chairman of the North Carolina Republican Party, Dallas Woodhouse, sent a memo instructing Republican members of local election boards to make “party line” decisions in early voting plans. These orders were sent — and to a large degree carried out — despite the court’s statement that using race as a proxy for party “constitutes discriminatory purpose.”

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    13. Re:not in N.C. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

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      Citation needed

    15. Re:not in N.C. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Obama is encouraging illegals to vote in our election. I love the part about voter fraud being extremely rare. What a laugh. Ever been to Chicago?

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    16. Re:not in N.C. by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

      Lets be sure we all understand what has long been going on. For decades the Democrats were in power and set up voting districts. There was one insanely gerrymandered district that cut across a large portion of the state, and the Democrats were quite clear that they had done it for racial reasons. When the Republicans finally got power and drew up districts the Democrats claimed they improperly used race as a basis to create the districts, and Democratically controlled federal courts sided with them. See anything strange there?

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    17. Re:not in N.C. by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Try here for the ruling Judge's commentary on clear intent with "surgical precision" for suppression of minority votes.

    18. Re:not in N.C. by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      Voter fraud is extremely rare, and the courts are enforcing federal law that makes sure people like you can't use it for cover to disenfranchise minorities.

      Election fraud is a continuing problem across the US.

      And you seem to have the issue of disenfranchisement backwards:

      Victims of Voter Fraud: Poor and Disadvantaged are Most Likely to Have Their Vote Stolen

      The Virginia scandal comes close on the heels of the voter fraud trials in upstate New York, where Democratic county elections officers and city councilmen from the town of Troy stand trial for absentee-ballot fraud. Four Democrats have already pleaded guilty in a case that highlights who the real victims of election fraud usually are: the poor, minorities, the sick, the old, and other vulnerable members of society.

      Democratic Committeeman Anthony DeFiglio pleaded guilty to falsifying business records in the case, and he told investigators that "The people who are targeted [in voter fraud cases] live in low-income housing and there is a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions." Even more disturbing was his admission that "What appears as a huge conspiracy to nonpolitical persons is really a normal political tactic."4

      Another Troy Committeeman, Anthony Renna, admitted to forging absentee ballot applications and explained that handing in forged ballots and fake votes ensures that "ballots are voted correctly."

      "I knew that the actual voters had not voted the ballots or signed the envelopes, but that did not concern me. I am not the ballot police," Renna told police. "I have been present when 'ballots were voted correctly' by party operatives."5 "Voted correctly" is fraud-speak for a forged application or ballot and it has nothing to do with the intentions of the lawful voter and everything to do with the interests of criminals who flagrantly violate election laws.

      And who were the victims of this crime against the public? According to the Times Union, those disenfranchised Troy voters who had their ballots voted for them "correctly" included "public housing residents, college students, the semi-literate, a deaf man, the chronically ill and non-English speakers."6

      Lest we think that this sort of thing only happens on the east coast, we should remember the illegal ballots cast by an estimated 5,000 non-citizens in Colorado's elections in 2010. Colorado's Secretary of State reported that a state study found nearly 12,000 people registered to vote in Colorado who were not citizens and were therefore not legally eligible to vote. Of those, the state believes that perhaps as many as 5,000 voted in the 2010 general election.7

      People in the US have a constitutional right to travel, but you can't board an aircraft and even buses without an ID. You can't enter many government buildings without and ID. You can't open a bank account or cash a check of any real size without an ID. You may not be able to buy alcohol without an ID. What are the activists doing there? Nothing. Why do you think they only care about voting? Here's a hint:

      Project Veritas, part two: Dem activists discuss best practices in committing voter fraud without getting caught
      "Rigging Elections For 50 Years" - Massive Voter Fraud Exposed By Project Veritas Part 2

      The US has had the twin ravages of Obamacare and Senator Al Franken inflicted upon it due to election fraud.

      Rampant Voter Fraud A

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    19. Re:not in N.C. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Rare would mean statistically insignificant, which is what voter fraud is.

      You're fucking retarded if you don't see why such a statement is absurd.

      Hint: Successful voter fraud isn't detected and thus doesn't show up on statistics reporting about voter fraud (actually, it shows up on the other side, as legitimate votes, helping downplay the scale of voter fraud).

    20. Re: not in N.C. by LanceMcGrath · · Score: 1

      Letting people elect their own president has sometimes shown to do more harm than good as well, but I don't see anyone arguing against that. Voter ID is one of those common sense things that should be in place by default; if you're incapable of obtaining identification which most people have (state ID, drivers license, etc.) then perhaps you shouldn't be entrusted with a vote.

    21. Re:not in N.C. by sexconker · · Score: 2

      Scroll up. There are far more instances of voter fraud in favor of Democratic candidates.

      Using a puffed-up New York Times deflection piece (written and published in response to the revelations of the Democrats cheating, as referenced above) doesn't help your non-argument.

    22. Re: not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if the local government have actively worked to make it harder for certain groups of people to obtain that ID? Cutting funding and opening hours, closing offices, requiring more documentation that in turn is artificially made more difficult to obtain?

    23. Re:not in N.C. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Then stop using those fucking stupid Diebold machines and you won't have so much uncertainty.

    24. Re:not in N.C. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Successful voter fraud is easily detected. More votes than the register has listed as voting. Easy to find, and quite common. The response is: count all votes as valid, even when we know some of them are fraudulent. That's the real voter fraud. Throw out every one and require a re-vote. For the re-vote have more poll workers, and count the ballots on-site before moving them. When you move them and "mix" them in with the other votes before anyone knows what's happened, there are piles of places where fraud can happen.

    25. Re: not in N.C. by msauve · · Score: 1

      "I'm sure both individuals who will comit voter fraud are delighted."

      Not really, it didn't make any difference because neither Donald nor Hillary were registered to vote in NC.

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    26. Re:not in N.C. by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > Voter fraud is extremely rare

      Exactly how do we know that when we've made it nearly impossible to find unless the person doing it is a moron?

    27. Re:not in N.C. by quantaman · · Score: 2

      Anyone that cares to spend a little time searching can probably find similar stories from nearly any state. Oh, and of course the Project Veritas Action videos show people discussing the mechanics of successful fraud, clearly from a position of personal knowledge.

      Keep in mind that a lot of this fraud is very hard to prove. In nearly every story, the people involved protest their innocence. Bank robbers caught in the act tend to do that too, of course, as do innocent people. A year from now, we'll know the extent of the fraud that was caught and prosecuted, and maybe have an idea of the fraud that was caught, but not prosecuted, and absolutely no idea how much fraud was not caught.

      This happens every election cycle. Republicans claim they've found absolute proof of countless cases of voter fraud and the right wing media starts freaking out that the election was stolen!

      Then authorities investigate, and they find a bunch of administrative errors and no actual cases of ineligible people voting or voter impersonation, although sometimes a permanent resident will get confused while filling out paper work and end up registering to vote as well.

      Of course the right wing media doesn't actually follow up to let the audience know it was just a big misunderstanding, so the audience just goes on believing it was proven that the election was stolen.

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    28. Re:not in N.C. by swb · · Score: 2

      Why is there a Republican conspiracy to prevent minorities from voting, but no Republican conspiracy to keep minorities off airplanes or any other location that requires positive ID?

      Frankly I'm more worried about the every day constraints on free movement than the periodic and de minimis reduction in voting.

    29. Re:not in N.C. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You links are all innuendo and speculation. Not one links to an actual investigation showing proof that fraud took place. That's because...

      Voter fraud really isn't a big problem. 31 probable cases out of over 1 billion votes cast.

      The precision with which they target African American voters is pretty shocking. For example, they researched various types of ID and then banned the ones most common with African Americans, only allowing the types that white people are more likely to have. They blocked early voting because African Americans were often motivated to vote by their church on a Sunday.

      These laws are not about stopping largely imaginary and totally insignificant fraud. Stop believing Trump, he doesn't have any evidence that its rigged against him or he would have requested a formal investigation. They are about stopping Democrats voting, by targeting certain groups, often by race.

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    30. Re:not in N.C. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Successful voter fraud is done in the open, on camera with voting sticks.

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    31. Re:not in N.C. by Orgasmatron · · Score: 0

      Your links are all innuendo and speculation. Not one links to an actual investigation showing proof that even a single citizen was unable to vote because of voter ID laws.

      And just yesterday, two guys decided to announce their own personal voter fraud to the world.

      How many times do you think this is repeated across the country by people who do NOT invite the full autism of /pol/ to their public records history?

      Brace yourself for voter ID laws in all 50 states. It is coming, and all your whining can't stop it. Something like 80% of citizens want it, and the Supreme Court is about to take a big turn towards law and order.

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    32. Re: not in N.C. by swillden · · Score: 1

      Voter ID is one of those common sense things

      The great thing about calling something "common sense" is that it can be applied to absolutely anything. It doesn't have to correct, it just has to be a common belief and be able to survive a very shallow logical analysis. And, actually, it doesn't even have to all that common... you can also use it to describe something you'd like to portray as a common belief in the hope that it will become one.

      Common sense is neither common, nor sense. We should ignore it and instead focus on reasoned sense, based on solid data. And from that perspective there is absolutely zero evidence that voter ID is necessary... or even useful.

      if you're incapable of obtaining identification which most people have (state ID, drivers license, etc.)

      Mu.

      No one is saying people are incapable of obtaining identification, but there is a large minority of people who don't need identification in their daily lives, and therefore don't have it. Requiring them to obtain it solely for the purpose of voting places a large obstacle in front of them... especially if the government also "consolidates" DMV offices, closing the ones within easy reach of the people who don't have identification, which was also done in NC. Even without that step, it's a great way to discourage people from voting, to add one more (rather large) obstacle. How many people who have ID don't vote because they're too busy to make it to the polling place? Now tell them they have to first spend half of a day sitting in a DMV office several weeks beforehand. Oh, and that's half a day during working hours; so they have to take time off -- and the class in question does not get paid time off, so it's also expensive.

      The effect is not only predictable, it's measurable, and has been measured. There are many studies, actually, that article discusses only one of them.

      then perhaps you shouldn't be entrusted with a vote.

      You should be ashamed of yourself for even thinking that, much less saying it. If you're going to do that, why not limit the vote to male landowners, or have income level requirements, or IQ tests?

      The government should represent all of the people it governs, not just the ones you think are "worthy". I'll grant that there are other big problems with our achievement of that ideal, but that's no reason to add more.

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    33. Re:not in N.C. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Even if we accept this evidence (I have not checked it), it doesn't prove widespread fraud.

      Presumably this evidence has been passed to the police, and if true they face a $10k fine and a few years in jail. For one extra vote. It's a pointless crime unless you can do it hundreds of thousands of times in the most closely watched swing areas.

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    34. Re:not in N.C. by swillden · · Score: 2

      See anything strange there?

      Nope. The Democrats used to be the party of the racists, which is why they controlled the deep south. Then LBJ got the Civil Rights Act passed, and enforced it, which caused the racists in the deep south to switch to the Republican party... but the racists remained in control.

      So, nothing strange at all. The racists gerrymandered districts on a racial basis, regardless of which party they claimed to be in.

      Note that I'm not saying the Democratic party used to be racist, or that the Republican party is now. One particular (and large) voting bloc in the south is overtly racist, and that bloc embraced one party and then the other. Neither party rejected the power the racist bloc gave them.

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    35. Re:not in N.C. by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      Or so said a three-Democrat panel of the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals. Shocking, really.

    36. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not racist to require an ID to get a FUCKING JOB, but it is to vote?

    37. Re:not in N.C. by Imrik · · Score: 1

      There's also the possibility of people registering when they aren't eligible to vote. Additionally, if someone is registered but isn't voting, someone else could vote in their place.

    38. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not one links to an actual investigation showing proof that even a single citizen was unable to vote because of voter ID laws.

      Don't, worry, the courts are blocking those impediments.

      It's almost as if they're being prevented from malfeasance by some unknown means.

    39. Re: not in N.C. by Bartles · · Score: 3, Informative

      Lots of people are saying black people lack the ability to get identification. It's one of the glaring instances of racism perpetrated by Democrats.

    40. Re:not in N.C. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Or maybe the authorities are sometimes honest, and you end up with a list of 438 convictions for voter fraud, as just a sampling of what's gone on. Never mind nearly 100 ballots for ficticious people being delivered to a single address this last week, no just an administrative mistake, pay no attention! And of course we cannot disenfranchise the dead, right?

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    41. Re:not in N.C. by chispito · · Score: 1

      Voter fraud is extremely rare

      But what if it isn't?

      Don't get me wrong, I'm of this general opinion. But if we're wrong, how would we know?

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    42. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lets be sure we all understand what has long been going on. For decades the Democrats were in power and set up voting districts. There was one insanely gerrymandered district that cut across a large portion of the state, and the Democrats were quite clear that they had done it for racial reasons.

      Yes, they were required under the VRA to make a district that black candidates could win, rather than dilute their voting power too much.

      When the Republicans finally got power and drew up districts the Democrats claimed they improperly used race as a basis to create the districts, and Democratically controlled federal courts sided with them.

      Yes, the GOP decided to make it so that the black candidates could win by more in some districts, but it had the impact of making them less likely to win in other districts. A clear problem of intentional abuse.

      Based on their own testimony admitted into court.

      See anything strange there?

      No, I don't consider your deceitful presentation of the facts being suspect to be strange. I consider it normal for you. It isn't unusual or strange at all, it's rather expected. The court didn't agree with you, and with the Supreme Court divided, and Republican Senators obstructing, it's not likely to be overruled.

      What you should consider though, is that North Carolina's US House representation is 3 Democrats, and 10 Republicans. That's pretty bad when the total votes tend to be much closer to 50-50. Do you really want to support such blatant partisanship? Or could you consider proportional elections?

      I doubt it. You're probably thinking about a response about Democratic gerrymandering in the South, including with Baker v. Carr and Reynolds v. Sims.

      But all your hand-wringing over Democrats won't change the problem of today. Nor will your citing of already disproven allegations. We know you're a partisan hack. It's not going to persuade anybody. The only thing you can do is change the song.

    43. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show the same proof on disenfranchised African Americans. Show successful prosecution and jail time. Declaring your opponent must show string proof and you only need to show speculation and opinion pieces is disgusting.

    44. Re: not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of people are saying black people lack the ability to get identification. It's one of the glaring instances of racism perpetrated by Democrats.

      Well, as a matter of possessing the required documentation already, yes, due to circumstances such as birth certificates not being issued, or the documentation lost. Or even just being geographically located in a place without the facilities. You know, typical government obstruction. As a matter of personal capacity? It's only partisan Republicans like you who are saying that, though.

      You're really not good at the facts, Bartles, you really need to realize how badly transparent you are. Really, you've been trying to push this narrative for years, you've consistently failed. No traction to it.

      A smart and rational person would recognize the futility.

    45. Re:not in N.C. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      There's also the possibility of people registering when they aren't eligible to vote.

      That's the real point of voter ID laws, right? I have multiple friend who came into the US illegally (none Mexican). Registering to vote is trivial. But getting an ID these days requires a SSN, ostensibly because white American deadbeat dads would commit ID fraud to get around child support requirements. But, since you require an SSN to get an ID, to prevent deadbeat dad fraud, then you can require an ID to vote, and thus require an SSN to vote.

      The simpler answer is always the best. Seems simpler to require an SSN to register. Done.

      Better yet, auti-register everyone who gets an ID, or registers for the Selective Service, or any other government service that requires citizenship.

      Expand Selective Service to all people male and female, and auto-enroll everyone on their 18th birthday in that, and local voting. Problem solved. Anyone who is naturalized will have their voter-registration filed with the naturalization. Problem solved.

      The problem of people voting for someone else is tiny. It's a felony you have to do in person. And if you go through the same polling station 10 times under different names, someone may notice. Since your vote is private, but whether you voted isn't, we could solve that problem with a face-recognition system.

      The easiest fraud is generating 10,000,000 mail-in votes for your candidate, and sending them all in under the names of everyone eligible to mail-in-vote. If they also mail-in-vote, you've, at worst, spoiled a random vote. If they vote in person, the mail-in is usually discarded. But if they don't vote, then your vote would be counted. And ID is never shown with mail-in-votes.

      But the fix to every vote-fraud currently in use is to abandon secret voting and go to open voting. When you can verify your own vote, you can raise an alarm if the vote is mis-counted. With the current system, your vote can never be known. Not even to you.

    46. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it racist to assume minorities can't afford an ID? They're usually provided free of charge. This idea that poor people don't have ID seems like you think they're some sort of undocumented animal instead of a functioning human being.

    47. Re:not in N.C. by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > Voter fraud really isn't a big problem. [youtu.be] 31 probable cases out of over 1 billion votes cast.

      We've made sure it's really hard to actually catch people doing it. Putting on a blindfold and then saying you can't see a problem doesn't really prove much. Personally, I wish we'd do what they do in India and such when you vote--just ink one of your fingers with something that won't wash off.

    48. Re:not in N.C. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      So you are saying there is all this fraud, secret shadowy organisations controlling everything through vote rigging. But they are so powerful, so good at it that there isn't any hard evidence, but also so incompetent they leave a trail that Trump fans on Reddit can follow

      Sounds like a classic conspiracy theory to me. Impossible to disprove, requiring massive conspiracies involving many thousands of people with little reason to keep quiet...

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    49. Re: not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of people are saying black people lack the ability to get identification. It's one of the glaring instances of racism perpetrated by Democrats.

      That is a big claim you make without a shred of evidence. Who is saying that specifically? IF it is lots of people as you say surely you can show us one example! If it is a glaring instance of racism perpetrated by Democrats, surely that would be based on some evidence which you can show us. I suspect you can't and I don't need evidence to state that, because that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence per Hitchen's Razor.

      This is just one of the failures in clear thinking that has led the Republican party to paint itself into the corner it is in with Trump. Look around you!

    50. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama is encouraging illegals to vote in our election. I love the part about voter fraud being extremely rare. What a laugh. Ever been to Chicago?

      Nice try there, but the video in question was taken out of context and if you watch the full interview neither the interviewer's question nor the president's answer said anything implying that illegal immigrants are being encouraged to vote. I have been to Chicago many times, and that is irrelevant to the fact that you are completely full of shit.

    51. Re:not in N.C. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I don't know, what if Elvis is still alive and there's an alien living on the dark side of the moon?

      Voter fraud has been studied. It simply isn't a significant factor in US elections.

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    52. Re:not in N.C. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Or you could just admit voter fraud is rare.

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    53. Re:not in N.C. by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      Speaking of voter fraud, Obama tells illegal invaders that it is safe to vote.

      paraphrased question: "I'm illegal. If I vote, will they come for my family and deport us?"

      Actual quote from his response: "When you vote, you are a citizen yourself"

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    54. Re:not in N.C. by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      An argument made by people who oppose every effort designed to determine what the extent of voter fraud is. The reason that voter fraud appears to be very rare is that we have NO mechanisms in place to systematically detect if it is happening. Almost every time someone has tested whether voter fraud was possible in a given election they have discovered that it was possible and their efforts to prove it was possible have gone undetected.

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    55. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Republicans: Our laws encourage voter and election fraud, and make it very difficult to investigate or prosecute the perpetrators of such crimes!
      Democrats: We don't like to investigate fraud in cities where mostly Democrats vote, and besides - You haven't been able to prosecute many voter or election fraud cases under the current laws, so you can't change the laws!
      People with with brains: ...

      Also, amazing how everyone has already forgotten the Daly machine - 100,000 votes per election! For YEARS! 10% of the voting total for the entire city. But only 88 convictions - aka, 88 cases of election fraud. That's what people are talking about when they say "200 cases in the past 10 years" and similar claims. Not the number of votes - that's much higher.

      In Minnesota, the Democrat state government sent explicit orders to all polling places to allow felons, non-citizens, and other non-voters to case votes. This is illegal. It is, in fact, explicitly spelled out in the state constitution that it is forbidden.
      But because those votes will be cast, unmarked and undifferentiable from other votes, they will be counted with every other vote. Because it was a government order, the election workers that allow it will not be punished. Do you think the Democrat Governor of Minnesota is going to order the Democrat Attorney General to investigate and prosecute the Democrat Secretary of State? Ha! So no one in government will be punished wither.
      There will be thousands of fraudulent votes cast - but there will be no punishment to anyone involved. According to the Left, this means that no fraud occurred.

    56. Re:not in N.C. by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      In a closely divided nation it doesn't have to be common to be effective. At the right place and right time a few hundred votes out of millions can tip the fate of an election, create a majority, and suddenly 16% of your economy is under government control, along with major taxes and the result is the big problems now seen in the US.

      Rampant Voter Fraud Alleged In Minnesota

      Of course you stand with the faction engaging in fraud, and like the outcome, so we have that.

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    57. Re:not in N.C. by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Then LBJ got the Civil Rights Act passed, and enforced it, which caused the racists in the deep south to switch to the Republican party... but the racists remained in control.

      False.

      The “Southern Strategy” Debunked Again

      You should think about it - LBJ got the Civil Right Act passed with the help of the people that had passed the previous ones - the Republicans. The people that tried to block it were Democrats. What sense would it make for racists Democrats to bolt for the party that had been mainly responsible for passing civil rights legislation for a century? You've fallen for a narrative, not history.

      The Party of Civil Rights

      Also, this makes for an interesting wild card:

      Is it prohibited to draw majority-minority districts?

      No. Over 30 years ago the Supreme Court held that jurisdictions are free to draw majority-minority election districts that follow traditional, non-racial districting considerations, such as geographic compactness and keeping communities of interest together. Later Supreme Court decisions have held that drawing majority-minority districts may be required to ensure compliance with the Voting Rights Act.

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    58. Re: not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't an argument against ID requirements for voting; it is an argument for making it less difficult to obtain an ID, as lack of one impacts more than just hypothetical voting requirements.

    59. Re: not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean the far side of the Moon.

    60. Re:not in N.C. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Because the Republicans don't generally do that sort of voter fraud. They have more efficient ways of rigging elections.

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    61. Re:not in N.C. by swillden · · Score: 1

      I'm not convinced. But in any case it really doesn't matter. Whatever the cause of the swap, the racist South did flip from D to R.

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    62. Re:not in N.C. by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      You're kidding. Open your eyes. http://joeforamerica.com/2016/...
      Heck, instead of me pasting in a bunch of URLS from around the country, just google voter fraud 2016. Plenty of verified stories about it, and they are always for the Democrats.

      This goes back years. I remember in the 1996 election in Maryland, they were able to show the dead were voting in court. Before that they had to do away with the good old lever voting machines because they found massive voter fraud in Maryland because too many people had keys to the machines. They'd open them and set them to what they wanted. Not to pick on Maryland, same story - your state if the Democrats control it. The Republicans don't do that, that's why the country is slowly turning blue. This election, there are 6 close states and 5 of them used to be solidly red.

    63. Re:not in N.C. by cold+fjord · · Score: 0

      Over time much of the South went Republican as it rebuilt, became better educated, and better off economically. The racists stuck with the Democrats.

      Who is it preaching racial identity politics today? It isn't the Republicans.

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    64. Re:not in N.C. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The racists stuck with the Democrats"

      This is _delusional_.

    65. Re:not in N.C. by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      "I just sued two Virginia counties this week for concealing alien voting records, the list of foreigners who are on the voter rolls," said J. Christian Adams on Breitbart News Daily on SiriusXM. "In Virginia alone, our litigation found a thousand aliens in just eight counties. These are the only eight counties that complied with our document requests. And they were voting! So if you take a thousand aliens who were accidentally caught in eight Virginia counties, and there's 135 Virginia counties, that tells you that the number of aliens on the voter rolls in just this swing state is in the five figures."

      "The same is true in Colorado, Florida, North Carolina, Arizona," he continued. "More so in Texas, Pennsylvania. These are places where alien voting will make a difference. And it made a difference in California. California became the deepest shade of blue, in part, because of problems with the voter rolls, with illegal alien voting."

      "We have a blind spot," Adams added. "I don't think Republicans are aware of this problem to the degree they need to be. Some of them are. Most aren't. There are very few tools, and the Obama administration has been blocking the use of those tools. For example, there is a federal database called SAVE. It is a list of aliens, all the aliens who are in the federal system. Under federal law, that data has to be made available to the states. Well, when Florida asked for that data to clean their voter rolls, the Obama administration refused to give it. So Florida had to sue in federal court to get it. They got it. The DHS is throttling it. They're making it very hard to use the data."

      Source

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    66. Re:not in N.C. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      If by "aliens" they mean "immigrants who have a legal right to vote in the US" then it doesn't surprise me that they found thousands. Seems like they need some hard data with a bit more in-depth investigation than simply checking the voter rolls for "aliens".

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    67. Re:not in N.C. by swillden · · Score: 1

      "The racists stuck with the Democrats"

      This is _delusional_.

      Totally.

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  13. Yes, secure the election by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, secure the election. We wouldn't want rampant cheating to make us look even more like a banana republic.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/02/heres-just-how-unlikely-hillary-clintons-6-for-6-coin-toss-victories-were/?client=safari

  14. hardly losing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    In your dreams. 538 has him at 35% probability of winning as I write this;

    And that's only naively counting the electoral college. You think they are going to let Trump-the-Pussygrabber onto the highest seat in the land? Not likely. How many Republican party luminaries have already stated "country over party" and refused to back Trump? This many! This election is the perfect excuse for the electors to vote their consciences. If they need tom which is doubtful.

    And then there's a disparity in the women's vote: currently standing near 50% in favor of Clinton.

    There's no way Trump can win. None. You're just fooling yourself. Enjoy it while you can, because come Wednesday morning, we'll have a woman in the white house. And Washington will go on just as it always has, Republicans blocking every bit of progress they can, democrats fumbling around in a non-unified manner, and idiots like the tea partiers throwing monkey wrenches in everywhere they can, and all the while the lobbyists will be proffering handfuls of money to everyone in sigh, the president not fulfilling a plugged nickle's worth of the promises made on the campaign trail.

    You come back here Wednesday, you'll see I called it exactly. If you can find this post after the load of butt-hurt moderation falls on it, lol

    1. Re:hardly losing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In your dreams. 538 has him at 35% probability of winning as I write this;

      I'm not a great statistician, but a 1 in 3 chance looks like a fairly high likelihood to me. Silver has hedged his guess six ways to Sunday because of the inherent unpredictability and volatility of the situation. I think there's grounds to be confident of a popular vote and electoral college win, but that's not to say that we should assume they'll actually happen.

      One item that's of greater concern to me is the slightly greater than 1 in 10 chance that a recount will be required in one state's results. If we get another Florida, I don't think we can trust the people involved to step back from the brink. Much as people love to revile Gore, his decision to accept a very flawed result saved American democracy—or at least allowed it to survive a little longer. Likewise with the Kennedy election, when Nixon's strategists decided that it made more sense to fight another day.

      Clinton's 65% rating seems to show how low its possible for her to fall. So yes, the odds are in her favour. She seems to have weathered the absolute worst the opposition could throw at her. But stranger things have happened than a Trump upset. The Cubs somehow came back from a 3-1 deficit.

      If Trump wins, then God help you all. It looks like that may not happen. But don't count your chickens just yet.

    2. Re:hardly losing by flargleblarg · · Score: 4

      because come Wednesday morning, we'll have a woman in the white house.

      I'm not a constitutional scholar, but I believe we won't have a woman in the White House (serving as President) until January 20, 2017.

    3. Re:hardly losing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah because hillary's just so much better..
      they're both vile for different reasons.

    4. Re: hardly losing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However bad Hillary is, she's still so much better.

    5. Re: hardly losing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vile Hillary is a GOP meme. You've base had by the GOP and the FBI. Feel better now.

    6. Re:hardly losing by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 0

      Given that gender is just a socio-political construct and can be identified by actions and mannerisms, I'd suggest we have a woman in the White House right now...

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    7. Re:hardly losing by chispito · · Score: 1

      because come Wednesday morning, we'll have a woman in the white house.

      I'm not a constitutional scholar, but I believe we won't have a woman in the White House (serving as President) until January 20, 2017.

      I'm not a statistician or economist, but I believe there just may be a woman in the White House right now.

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    8. Re: hardly losing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sick burn, dude.

    9. Re:hardly losing by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      538 also said Trump had a 1% of winning the nomination. And flipped between 60-90% of the UK not leaving the EU.

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    10. Re:hardly losing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And come 2 years from now we'll be at war with iran, syria and russia.

      And come 4 years from now we'll all be dead.

    11. Re:hardly losing by ProzacPatient · · Score: 1

      because come Wednesday morning, we'll have a woman in the white house.

      I'm not a constitutional scholar, but I believe we won't have a woman in the White House (serving as President) until January 20, 2017.

      Furthermore the vote coming Tuesday is just the popular vote which is just symbolic more than anything else. The actual vote, of the Electoral College, takes place December 19th and the electorates are free to basically ignore the popular vote as proven in the 2000 election.

    12. Re:hardly losing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pretty sure Michelle Obama is a woman, and she lives in the White house.

    13. Re:hardly losing by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It's not symbolic. It determines who the Electoral College votes for. The Electors haven't ignored the popular vote in my lifetime. There have been cases where the popular vote for a state was recorded incorrectly, by accident or design.

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  15. Does anyone else think this is insane? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But in addition, "U.S. military hackers have penetrated Russia's electric grid, telecommunications networks and the Kremlin's command systems, making them vulnerable to attack by secret American cyber weapons should the U.S. deem it necessary, according to a senior intelligence official and top-secret documents reviewed by NBC News."

    Is it just me, or does anyone else think that this is insane?

    Assange never gives out details about who his leakers are, but even he took the time to state categorically that the Podesta leakers are did not come from the Russian government.

    Clearly he feels that there is some danger here for him to take this extraordinary step.

    Instead of setting up a hair-trigger response shouldn't we first have an investigation, and then approach this through diplomatic channels?

    Ye gods, Putin has to keep the appearance of strength in his country. What do you think he'll do if we start messing with their electrical grid?

    And in other news, we have Obama encouraging illegals to vote, which would appear at first glance to be Obama committing a felony on camera.

    What the fuck is happening to this country?

    1. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

      Massage is done. After this election stunt, even if Ecuador let's him stay, he's brought Wikileaks disrepute that the press will ignore him. Snowden had taken his mantle.

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    2. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by quantaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Assange never gives out details about who his leakers are, but even he took the time to state categorically that the Podesta leakers are did not come from the Russian government.

      Clearly he feels that there is some danger here for him to take this extraordinary step.

      Or his source has never clearly identified itself as the Russia government and he's trying to maintain plausible deniability as to not destroy Wikileaks' credibility.

      And in other news, we have Obama encouraging illegals to vote, which would appear at first glance to be Obama committing a felony on camera.

      Which is why you should take a second glance. Did you notice how her question doesn't actually make sense? That's because someone cut off the first part of it and I'm very suspicious of what they left out. What seems to be the general question and answer is the following:

      Interviewer: American citizens who are the children of illegal immigrants are scared to vote because they they'll draw scrutiny and cause their families to be deported.

      Obama: That will not happen.

      What the fuck is happening to this country?

      People are lying to you about the state of the world, and you believe them.

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    3. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      If Putin wanted to influence American politics, why didn't he just donate to the Clinton Foundation?

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    4. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Because Trump is weaker and easier to manipulate, if not outright control from the Kremlin like a puppet.

    5. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding me? Citation needed. We already know for a fact that the Clinton Foundation and Islamic State receive funding from the same people. How much more proof do you need?

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    6. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Jzanu+Syr · · Score: 0

      ISIS is failing, while Trump's ties by electronic evidence to both Putin and Russian-state-sponsored groups are stacking up, all while Russian aggression is increasing, and Trump hasn't shown any evidence of a backbone that would support US interests against Russian aggression. He has even demeaned NATO, the backbone of global security and stability for nearly 70 years.

    7. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      What do you think he'll do if we start messing with their electrical grid?

      "Accidentally" shoot down a few US planes over Syria.

    8. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Tom · · Score: 1

      Or his source has never clearly identified itself as the Russia government and he's trying to maintain plausible deniability as to not destroy Wikileaks' credibility.

      The funny thing is that it shouldn't matter who the source is as long as the information disclosed is true.

      It appears to be true, as not even those who should face jail time over it deny it. If you can't attack the message, attack the messager. And the american public is stupid enough to get so easily distracted. Look, a three-headed monkey !

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    9. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Or his source has never clearly identified itself as the Russia government and he's trying to maintain plausible deniability as to not destroy Wikileaks' credibility.

      The funny thing is that it shouldn't matter who the source is as long as the information disclosed is true.

      The purpose of this disclosure isn't to expose corruption or educate the public, it's to swing an election.

      That is not supposed to be Wikileaks' purpose, and it is why Assange is rightly being criticized.

      It appears to be true, as not even those who should face jail time over it deny it. If you can't attack the message, attack the messager. And the american public is stupid enough to get so easily distracted. Look, a three-headed monkey !

      The fact that something was leaked doesn't actually mean it exposed wrongdoing.

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    10. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      > Assange never gives out details about who his leakers are, but even he took the time to state categorically that the Podesta leakers are did not come from the Russian government.

      From looking into the leaked Podesta emails, they cut off shortly after a phishing email arrived. It was a completely bogus email from "Google" with a fake bit.ly reset link claiming that his account had been accessed from the Ukraine.

      You'd think the real hackers wouldn't want to point people back at themselves. If anything, I suspect an insider. I'm not too clear on why her IT staff actually fell for a bad phishing email for one thing. Though perhaps they didn't mean for him to use the link in the email?

    11. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      Isis was created by our actions as an excuse to start more wars and take over in that area.

      Do you really want a war with Russia over Syria to be next on the menu? Because that's what they appear to have in store for us.

    12. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 1

      But in addition, "U.S. military hackers have penetrated Russia's electric grid, telecommunications networks and the Kremlin's command systems, making them vulnerable to attack by secret American cyber weapons should the U.S. deem it necessary, according to a senior intelligence official and top-secret documents reviewed by NBC News."

      Is it just me, or does anyone else think that this is insane?

      I completely agree with you. If this is true, then this high-ranking NBC source in the US government /intelligence apparatus has gone insane. Making such claims defies all logic whether they are true or not, such an announcement makes no sense, neither from a military nor from a diplomatic point of view.

      The rest of what you say is kind of irrelevant and more of an opinion, though. The claims of this anonymous source are criminally irresponsible no matter whether Russia tries to influence US elections or not.

    13. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by sribe · · Score: 1

      Assange never gives out details about who his leakers are, but even he took the time to state categorically that the Podesta leakers are did not come from the Russian government

      What on earth makes you think that Assange is truthful, or even that he necessarily knows for certain the original source of the hacked emails???

      Instead of setting up a hair-trigger response shouldn't we first have an investigation, and then approach this through diplomatic channels?

      What on earth makes you think there has been no investigation and no approach through diplomatic channels???

      And in other news, we have Obama encouraging illegals to vote...

      I watched the video and that is ABSOLUTELY NOT what he said, not at all. When he says "when you vote you're a citizen" he means that only citizens get to vote, it's insanely addle-headed nonsense to spin it as though he meant, "if you can manage to sneak into a polling booth illegally, *poof* you become a citizen".

    14. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isis was created by our actions

      partly true, if you talk about causality

      as an excuse to start more wars and take over in that area.

      completely ludicrous nonsense

    15. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      How many of the Podesta emails have you read? The FBI FOIA dumps?

      Right, thought so. Hell, they talk about creating another 'spring' movement like the Arab Spring. We have info on why Vile Rat was left to die in Benghazi over weapons sales in the area. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    16. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take your medication, it's important

    17. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah?
      If somebody is murderer and active child molester and somebody else points it out and releases the culprits documents, then it is not important if the leaker is jesus himself or some random joe with criminal past.
      Important is the information that somebody is murderer and molester.

    18. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Tom · · Score: 1

      The purpose of this disclosure isn't to expose corruption or educate the public, it's to swing an election.

      So you are also not doubting that what was revealed was true?

      Conspiracy to commit fraud, possibly treason? That the FBI re-opened an investigation, a highly unusual procedure, doesn't stir you as "omg, there's something wrong there"?

      The fact that something was leaked doesn't actually mean it exposed wrongdoing.

      Maybe you should look at what was leaked before you join a discussion about it then?

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    19. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like they're exactly happy with what Russia is doing in Syria, or what happened in the Ukraine. The Wikileaks thing serves as a pretext, but bottom line they're not happy with Russia's actions as of late and want to bring pressure on them, and regardless they may genuinely suspect the Russian government. NBC is leaked info of the operation and makes it public because the government wants the threats to be public, most likely for domestic reasons.

    20. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assange never gives out details about who his leakers are, but even he took the time to state categorically that the Podesta leakers are did not come from the Russian government

      What on earth makes you think that Assange is truthful, or even that he necessarily knows for certain the original source of the hacked emails???

      Instead of setting up a hair-trigger response shouldn't we first have an investigation, and then approach this through diplomatic channels?

      What on earth makes you think there has been no investigation and no approach through diplomatic channels???

      And in other news, we have Obama encouraging illegals to vote...

      I watched the video and that is ABSOLUTELY NOT what he said, not at all. When he says "when you vote you're a citizen" he means that only citizens get to vote, it's insanely addle-headed nonsense to spin it as though he meant, "if you can manage to sneak into a polling booth illegally, *poof* you become a citizen".

      addle-headed is a good description of Trump and all the people who support him (thankfully most Republicans that will stay around in government don't support Trump!) They have some seriously lame rhetorical skills though. This election cycle the debates and conversations and accusations from the right have been the type that would make a high school debate class teacher have an aneurysm with all of the logical fallacies and repeating of lame arguments that are based on debunked urban legends. We have 5th graders that could beat Trump and his supporters in a simple discussion. How many lies has Trump been caught in so far? Something like 70% of what he has said.. yet we get all these morons who don't want to vote for Hillary because she is "Dishonest". I have come to the conclusion that Trump supporters have some as yet un-named form of mental retardation. (Lets call this Addle-headed!) This explanation seems to fit all the confirmed facts.

    21. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by quantaman · · Score: 1

      The purpose of this disclosure isn't to expose corruption or educate the public, it's to swing an election.

      So you are also not doubting that what was revealed was true?

      Conspiracy to commit fraud, possibly treason?

      I think the content of the emails was probably true, but it shows neither fraud nor treason.

      That the FBI re-opened an investigation, a highly unusual procedure, doesn't stir you as "omg, there's something wrong there"?

      And then they realized the new evidence wasn't new after all and re-closed the case, but I expect you'll just write that off as a conspiracy theory.

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    22. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Tom · · Score: 1

      I think the content of the emails was probably true, but it shows neither fraud nor treason.

      Wow.

      In every european country, if you were involved in even half the scandals that Clinton is, you would be completely inelectable. Your party would throw you out, your career would be over and you'd be asked to resign all your positions. Acting presidents have stepped down for a small fraction of that shit.

      It completely baffles me that in the USA this level of corruption, election fraud and treachery is considered par for the course. That you can still call for votes saying you're the lesser evil. That absolutely fucking nobody stands up and shouts "what the fuck lesser evil - we don't want any evil in the White House!"

      Absolutely batshit crazy.

      And then they realized the new evidence wasn't new after all and re-closed the case, but I expect you'll just write that off as a conspiracy theory.

      It could be they are doing their job very, very carefully, making sure nobody can gut them for not mentioning something in time, or it could be that they got pressure from up top. We will never know, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of doubt.

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    23. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      So you're willing to accept FBI announcements that fit with your world view happily, but reluctantly and half-heartedly if they disagree with your world view?

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    24. Re:Does anyone else think this is insane? by Tom · · Score: 1

      It's got little to do with the FBI.

      Given the sheer list of corruption and questionable actions surrounding the Clintons, from the governeur times, it's a case of "fool me once..."

      Yes, if anyone presents any evidence of Clinton being corrupt, I would say that the chances for it being right are better than 50/50.

      But, you know, at least I am willing to accept proof that I was wrong, even if reluctantly.

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  16. Re:Hillary at it again... by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    Learn what exactly, that fit the alt-right, black lives don't matter?

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  17. Someone isn't very tech savvy by wasted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "By hacking and dumping emails, Russia is trying 'to denigrate the American electoral system, to make it look chaotic, make it look manipulable, make it look subject to intrusion, cheating and vulnerable so you can't trust it...to make us look no better than the Russian electoral system,'" said one senior White House official.

    "Hacking and dumping" emails is not the same as changing vote counts or forcing people to vote a certain way. The exposure of the content of emails was likely embarrassing to the Democratic Party and HRC, but it isn't election tampering.

    1. Re:Someone isn't very tech savvy by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not even clear Russia did anything.
      And the American electoral system looks chaotic enough on its own. It's the people running who make it look bad, not foreign hackers.

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    2. Re:Someone isn't very tech savvy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Hacking and dumping" emails is not the same as changing vote counts or forcing people to vote a certain way. The exposure of the content of emails was likely embarrassing to the Democratic Party and HRC, but it isn't election tampering.

      This was considered very illegal back in 1972 when the DNC was burglarized and files stolen from their offices in the Watergate hotel. How does doing the same thing, only by computer, somehow make it legal?

    3. Re:Someone isn't very tech savvy by wasted · · Score: 1

      "Hacking and dumping" emails is not the same as changing vote counts or forcing people to vote a certain way. The exposure of the content of emails was likely embarrassing to the Democratic Party and HRC, but it isn't election tampering.

      This was considered very illegal back in 1972 when the DNC was burglarized and files stolen from their offices in the Watergate hotel. How does doing the same thing, only by computer, somehow make it legal?.

      I don't remember saying it was legal. I said that it wasn't election tampering.

    4. Re:Someone isn't very tech savvy by bradley13 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If Russia is behind this, shame on them. However, there is no proof that this is the case. The Hillary campaign declares this, to distract from...

      ...the actual, important issue: the corruption and criminality exposed by those emails. Interestingly, no one is saying that the information is actually incorrect.

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    5. Re:Someone isn't very tech savvy by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      "By hacking and dumping emails, Russia is trying 'to denigrate the American electoral system, to make it look chaotic, make it look manipulable, make it look subject to intrusion, cheating and vulnerable so you can't trust it...to make us look no better than the Russian electoral system,'" said one senior White House official.

      "Hacking and dumping" emails is not the same as changing vote counts or forcing people to vote a certain way. The exposure of the content of emails was likely embarrassing to the Democratic Party and HRC, but it isn't election tampering.

      You're right. Foreign powers hacking a political party with the express purpose of helping and supporting another party who has favorable policies could not possibly be election tampering.

      The Newsweek article on the extensive and well organized Russian propaganda/misinformation network was quite eye opening. Seems our allies have been a bit more diligent on the whole Trump/Russia thing than we have. The Trump campaign has essentially been compromised. Trump himself just appears to be more of a "useful idiot", though Russia considered dropping support entirely over the summer because he appeared to be to "unhinged" (fighting with a gold star family is just plain stupid).

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  18. Paper Ballots Counted At The Precinct Level by TheNarrator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You want to prevent all hacking? Just use paper ballots counted at the precinct level. India has a billion people and it works just fine. Our election is important enough that it's foolish to trust it to unauditable, easily hacked voting machines when the alternative of hand counting is not that hard.

    1. Re:Paper Ballots Counted At The Precinct Level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, India has largely moved to electronic voting machines, and there have been concerns that these could be tampered with. However, at least in the Indian situation, with open stealing of ballot boxes, electronic voting machines are probably a plus.

    2. Re:Paper Ballots Counted At The Precinct Level by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Sigh...not this shit again!

      The PRI in Mexico rigged elections for 80 years using nothing but paper ballots. Plus, this election we NEED the voting machines to keep a dangerous fascist demagogue out of the Presidency. If it were up to the American people, they'd elect him and we'd all be screwed. Be careful what you wish for...

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    3. Re:Paper Ballots Counted At The Precinct Level by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Our election is important enough that it's foolish to trust it to unauditable, easily hacked voting machines when the alternative of hand counting is not that hard.

      To them, our election is important enough that it's foolish to trust it to voters.

    4. Re:Paper Ballots Counted At The Precinct Level by Tom · · Score: 1

      Not just India. Germany is using the same system and it works wonderfully. As I hear, most of Europe uses such a system or variations of it.

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    5. Re:Paper Ballots Counted At The Precinct Level by swillden · · Score: 1

      You want to prevent all hacking? Just use paper ballots counted at the precinct level. India has a billion people and it works just fine. Our election is important enough that it's foolish to trust it to unauditable, easily hacked voting machines when the alternative of hand counting is not that hard.

      That's an okay solution -- though somewhat vulnerable to fraud conducted by the vote counters in precincts that don't get adequate oversight -- but we have the technology to do better. For the last couple of decades academic cryptographers have been trying to solve the problem of how to ensure fair elections, and they've come up with some remarkable techniques that allow elections to be strongly verified, making any tampering obvious. And they've refined their techniques to make them quite practical as well.

      Check out Scantegrity. Note that it does use paper ballots. Counting can be done at the precinct level or at any higher level; doesn't matter. If the vote isn't tabulated correctly, the error will be exposed. Individual voters can also verify that their vote was counted correctly -- but without being able to prove how they voted. It's an excellent design.

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    6. Re:Paper Ballots Counted At The Precinct Level by gweihir · · Score: 1

      The Swiss use this every 3 months, and it works very well. No indications of fraud, no long-delayed results, no other issues. And of course, these are done on the weekends and there are no long waiting-times or anything.

      Quite frankly, the abysmal state of US election technology just shows one thing: They cannot get important things done well. Not a good sign at all.

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    7. Re:Paper Ballots Counted At The Precinct Level by Tom · · Score: 1

      Honestly, it's so badly broken that it is clear that they don't want it fixed. You couldn't fuck up an election system so bad if you tried. If you didn't know about it, and were tasked with designing the worst imaginable election system for a comedy movie, you couldn't come up with this.

      Why keep such a broken system? Well, for one, with all these always-very-close results, it is incredibly easy to swing the election this way or that.

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    8. Re:Paper Ballots Counted At The Precinct Level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      African elections are more secure than US election.

      At least, at the *casting* votes level. There's still that 'counting votes' problem many African nations need to work on...

    9. Re:Paper Ballots Counted At The Precinct Level by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      How do you have precincts that don't have adequate oversight?

      Every interested political party sends an observer, as does the non-partisan government elections body, and anybody who cares to show up and watch, does. This isn't difficult.

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    10. Re:Paper Ballots Counted At The Precinct Level by swillden · · Score: 1

      How do you have precincts that don't have adequate oversight?

      Precincts which very heavily favor one party and have little organized resistance. Granted that in such precincts the vote will be overwhelmingly for the local party, but that doesn't mean the opposing votes shouldn't all get counted.

      Regardless of that, though, there's huge value in a system that allows people to verify that their vote was counted correctly.

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  19. This whole posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is completely incoherent. There's probably three separate headlines here but it was all jammed into one paragraph.

  20. rare and well done by frovingslosh · · Score: 0, Troll

    What a lie.

    * In 59 voting districts in the Philadelphia region, Obama received 100% of the votes with not even a single vote recorded for Romney. (A mathematical and statistical impossibility).

    * In 21 districts in Wood County Ohio, Obama received 100% of the votes where GOP inspectors were illegally removed from their polling locations - and not one single vote was recorded for Romney. (Another statistical impossibility).

    * In Wood County Ohio, 106,258 voted in a county with only 98,213 eligible voters .

    * In St. Lucie County, FL, there were 175,574 registered eligible voters but 247,713 votes were cast.

    * The National SEAL Museum, a polling location in St. Lucie County, FL had a 158% voter turnout.

    * Palm Beach County, FL had a 141% voter turnout .

    * In one Ohio County, Obama won by 108% of the total number of eligible voters .

    NOTE: Obama won in every state that did not require a Photo ID and lost in every state that did require a Photo ID in order to vote .

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    1. Re:rare and well done by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And you have actual citations for these claims (and no, some alt-right blog is not a reference). Provide actual citations, preferably actual electoral records. Otherwise, I call bullshit.

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    2. Re:rare and well done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fact check yourself.

      http://www.factcheck.org/2013/01/voting-conspiracies/

    3. Re:rare and well done by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Informative

      And you have actual citations for these claims

      Of course not, because they are nonsense. These bullet points are copied verbatim from a viral image that has been circulating among alt-right kooks, including my idiot brother-in-law. All of these claims have been thoroughly debunked.

    4. Re:rare and well done by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Ugh, had to do my duty and call my mother today. So much politics, about how the country is over if hillary wins, about the websites I should visit that have *proof* she's guilty of something or other, about how Obama loves muslims and hates christians, Hillary's advisor is a muslim (oh ya, she thinks that's enough to make her a traitor). All the while she's on the verge of crying because those frauds on the internet have convinced her of these conspiracy theories. There's so much bullshit out there, any fool can claim they have proof of something or other, and then other people go and cite that as evidence.

    5. Re:rare and well done by whoever57 · · Score: 2
      I think that you copied your bullet points from Snopes. Perhaps you should have noted the large "False" image on the page also?

      But thanks for outing yourself as yet another person who lacks critical thinking skills.

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    6. Re:rare and well done by frovingslosh · · Score: 0

      No, I did not get it there. Perhaps they got it the same place that I did and just stuck a big "FALSE" on it because they didn't like what was said.

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    7. Re:rare and well done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, yeah, that must be it.

      *rolleyes*

    8. Re:rare and well done by Calydor · · Score: 0

      "If they agree with me they're right, if they disagree with me they're wrong."

      Is that how your world works?

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    9. Re: rare and well done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the way, have you stopped beating your wife? You were bragging about that yesterday, and a lot of people told you that wasn't OK.

    10. Re:rare and well done by meglon · · Score: 1

      http://www.factcheck.org/2013/...

      You are either a worthless piece of shit liar, or a complete fucking idiot.... or both. When you wonder what is wrong with this country... look in the mirror. Worthless piece of shit with no integrity.

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    11. Re:rare and well done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well he is a Trumpette, so yes?

    12. Re:rare and well done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Factcheck is a known biased source! Hillary is going to make you get GAY MARRIED! The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming! GAY RUSsIAN MARRIAGE!

    13. Re:rare and well done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're so damn sure that you know everything that you're unwilling to listen to your mother.

      I have a top secret clearance. I'd be with at least 30 other people in Leavenworth for any one of Hilary's "poor choices." It's a blatant felony. In spite of what the DOJ said, nothing in the law requires mens. The act is criminal. She's guilty as fuck, and should be in prison.

    14. Re:rare and well done by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      Maybe you could get someone going on this then: Voter fraud cases (open in new window)

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    15. Re:rare and well done by HBI · · Score: 1

      There is intensive voter fraud going on in all the East Coast cities (my experience being exclusively with those), though I am told the Midwest has the same issue going on in the urban areas. The dead vote regularly. It's all there if you want to look for it. The reason why no one really cares is that most of these places haven't had a competitive election in 50+ years. It tends to drive popular vote counts up in Senate races and presidential election years. As you would expect, it favors Democrats exclusively since you'd be hard pressed to find an urban area fully controlled by Republicans in the entire country. Does it turn elections? Not usually. It is a safety net if the GOTV efforts fail to get enough old people and minorities to the polls. 1960 was believed to turn on this factor, based on late returns from Chicago. It may well be that 2000 was only close because of this - though the situation was so muddy we'll never know.

      Suburban/rural voter fraud exists, but is less systematic and much less frequent. Too many eyes, and people care, and most importantly the repository of potential voters is smaller than in the cities.

      Pretending it doesn't exist means you aren't being honest or serious.

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    16. Re:rare and well done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is intensive voter fraud going on in all the East Coast cities (my experience being exclusively with those), though I am told the Midwest has the same issue going on in the urban areas. The dead vote regularly. It's all there if you want to look for it.

      Then go about proving it. It shouldn't be that hard. You're the one who wants it to exist, it should be something for you to show.

      Unfortunately, it turns out that these claims of the dead voting often turn on people with the same name, or mistakes about reporting, or even just facetious attempts based on returned mail.

      It may well be that 2000 was only close because of this - though the situation was so muddy we'll never know.

      What we do know is that Florida unlawfully removed legitimate voters from the rolls.

      You know, thanks to proof.

      Pretending it doesn't exist means you aren't being honest or serious.

      Claiming it does exist, without making the effort to provide substantive proof, while willfully misrepresenting the facts and distorting the truth, means you are not honest nor are you serious.

      Seriously, don't bother linking that Veritas video either, they've already shown they can't be trusted, and while you will never admit it, the video shows nothing in the way of actual fraud.

      Anybody can say anything on video. Doesn't mean it's really what happened, or even, with Veritas, what they said.

    17. Re:rare and well done by HBI · · Score: 1

      I don't really care enough to dig up documentary evidence. It's happening - there were ample records of this back in the 90s in New York City - in particular, the 1989 mayoral election. My father was involved in Jersey politics...no one there would argue the position you are arguing, since we all knew it to be true.

      But, i'll leave this here for you, since you doubt such things.

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    18. Re:rare and well done by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't really care enough to dig up documentary evidence.

      And that's why nobody gives a shit about it when you blather on about it. Really, it's your own choice. You have produced nothing but innuendo and aspersion, or when you do claim evidence, it's tenuous fabrications, so...what do you think is going to happen?

      I'll tell you what happens, people stop giving a shit about what you have to say.

      It's happening - there were ample records of this back in the 90s in New York City - in particular, the 1989 mayoral election.

      This would be more persuasive if you hadn't previously said it was occurring in cities where nobody expected a competitive election. But no, Giuliani's claim isn't that legitimate. Maybe if he'd effectively proven his allegations then, you'd get some reform beforehand, but oh wait, he didn't, he just managed to win in 1993. And 1998. Then he got the only reason he has any claim to fame, though oddly he seemed to have some memory loss for partisan reasons.

      Personally I'd just point to them being off-year elections, never favored those myself. Don't need to prove any allegations there. Of course, that'd be dozens of state elections, but eh, what do you care?

       

      My father was involved in Jersey politics...no one there would argue the position you are arguing, since we all knew it to be true.

      Then why don't you get your father to turn in his evidence? Why don't you turn him in yourself? That's what you'd do if you had integrity.

      But, i'll leave this here for you, since you doubt such things.

      Yeah, you choose to link to a spectacularly non-informative page where most of the page is google news feed links?

      That does you a LOT of harm to your credibility. Really, a vapid and vacuous article, and that's what you choose to link? That's almost worse than if you'd linked that Veritas stuff. C'mon, show some discernment, and realize how badly you're messing up.

      Be honest with yourself. Be serious about your own conduct.

  21. I wish by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    I wish some time we could get competent people in government.

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    1. Re:I wish by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Just gotta get people to vote for 'em. Wouldn't hurt to hang the Sword of Damocles over their heads either. It's all up to us.

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    2. Re:I wish by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Just gotta get people to vote for 'em.

      Um.........

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    3. Re:I wish by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Um... what? Is there another way?

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    4. Re:I wish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easier said then done with the current setup and the gerrymandered districts make it that much harder and that would be assuming the electronic results were legit which is most likely not but they refuse to do anything about.

      In my state of North Carolina alone, the districts are so bad that 1 Republican vote is worth roughly 4 Democrat votes. With a 50/50 split in the popular vote, the seats get split 3 to 10. With a 55/45 split in the votes favoring the Democrats the seats were still split 4 to 9 in favor of the republicans. It would take the Democrats getting roughly 80% of the popular vote if they even wanted about 6 to 7 of the 13 seats.

      And this districting not only magnifies the influences of the Republican parties, it also amplifies the influence of the more fringe right areas of the right and even pulls the Democrats winners to the right against the collective will of both the people as a large and the voter base as well.

      Until we fix the gerrymandering, much of this stuff will never be fixed by it's very design.

    5. Re:I wish by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Probably not another way.

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  22. Got any reality to go with your hallucinations? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Informative

    Massage is done. After this election stunt, even if Ecuador let's him stay, he's brought Wikileaks disrepute that the press will ignore him. Snowden had taken his mantle.

    Everything you've said is completely and totally bogus.

    1) "Ecuador lets him stay": Ecuador has repeatedly reaffirmed their intention to let him stay, even after cutting his internet access.

    2) "Disrepute": Wikileaks recently published the DKIM proofs for the Podesta E-mails, putting the lie to any claims of tampering. For example, Donna Brazile claimed that E-mails showing her giving debate questions to Clinton were tampered, but they were vetted using Google's gmail.com DKIM signature.

    3) "Massage": Learn Engrish.

    4) "Stunt": He's been publishing pretty-much continuously for 10 years, and you think "stunt" describes his actions?

    5) "Press will ignore": Uh... yeah. Right. You think this is what will happen?

    6) "Snowden": Snowden took his mantle... without being in the news or having done anything of recent significance?

    In general, everything you said is simple sock-puppetry intended to sway uninformed people. It's intellectually dishonest, and it doesn't even promote the mainstream view.

    I mean, really. Absolutely *no one* in the media is making any of your claims.

    I'd ask for links, but in this case I don't think that's possible.

  23. Fraud only a problem if it hurts Hillary's odds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People have been complaining about electronic voting for nearly two decades! Suddenly HRC brings back McCarthyism/Red Scare like it's the 1950s and NOW it's a crisis? Give me a fucking break. The only reason the HRC/DHS/TPTB give a shit about election fraud is if they are concerned they can't fix the election!

  24. us election by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i have a korean math teacher (cuz asians are good at math) and every time she says "election", it sounds like "erection". i lulz ever time i hear that and she doesn't understand why. lol.

  25. I always wonder by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

    How many of these 'crises' are either enormously exaggerated, or manufactured out of whole cloth? After all, they are so very useful for creating jobs, justifying power and autonomy grabs by various TLA's, and distracting the masses from noticing that their basic rights are being systematically torn down and burned.

    Yes, by all means, protect this election. Protect it from becoming a third-rate reality show - a freaky, depraved, but strangely irrelevant spectacle that proudly and defiantly puts the 'circus' in 'bread and circuses'. Oh, wait... it's way too late for that.

    I'm starting to see the attractions of the Libertarian point of view. It's delusional and naive, to be sure - but would it produce a hell any worse that what we're currently experiencing?

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  26. Douglas Adams Predicted This by wasted · · Score: 1

    Douglas Adams predicted this election, and probably most others, in his HHGTG series with this: It is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. It is number 23 on the list. I don't know that number 42 on that particular list applies to this election, though.

    1. Re:Douglas Adams Predicted This by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. It is just far more obvious in this election, with two candidates that are completely and utterly obviously unsuitable for the job. This is a failed society. A pity it is so large and has the potential to take th rest of the world to hell with it.

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  27. I'd like to think by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    that he's just concerned for my safety.

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  28. Reaping what you sow by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Troll

    Trump's been encouraging a climate of violence and fear at his rallies for months' now. I'm just surprised this didn't happen sooner. The real thing to come out of this that'll hurt him is how he sorta hobbled away. Sure, he's 70, and to any sane person that's to be expected. But he's been cultivating an image of virility for months now and having it undermined in the press 3 days before game day is gonna be a problem.

    I forget who said it but somebody said whoever can keep the spotlight off is gonna win since neither candidate is well liked. Trump just put the spotlight on 100%.

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    1. Re:Reaping what you sow by ScentCone · · Score: 0

      Trump's been encouraging a climate of violence and fear at his rallies for months' now.

      That's a lie. And you know it. To make it more interesting, we've got video that lets us hear from the Democrat operatives boasting about how they paid cash (thousands) to people to go and stir up trouble at Trump events. Which you know.

      But he's been cultivating an image of virility for months now and having it undermined in the press 3 days before game day is gonna be a problem.

      Having the Secret Service do what they ALWAYS DO and remove their protectee from the scene (in this case, for a few minutes) when somebody pulls some stunt and somebody else shouts "gun!" in the crowd ... that's a reflection on Trump how, exactly? Be specific.

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    2. Re:Reaping what you sow by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Prompted signaling designed to attack the opposition, even when they are just holding a sign. Obama gives protestors more respect, like a real President should.

    3. Re:Reaping what you sow by dbIII · · Score: 1

      how he sorta hobbled away

      It's those damn spurs on his feet that kept him out of 'Nam (but not off the track team).
      How the fuck did this trust fund baby that sums up just about everything wrong with America end up getting so far?

    4. Re:Reaping what you sow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The elderly Trump supporter in Obama talking event did not attack nobody, as the democrat operatives are doing in Trump rallies.

  29. Fuck You Slat e dot com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your one sides viewpoint is only exceeded by your lies, fraud, and slander.
    We need to force all publications, writes, and even comments to have to identify if they receive ANY funding from any political party, PAC, lobbyist, or are anything bu presenting complete unbiased both sides information

  30. Too late. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are scrambling to secure the election too late, the damage was already done before the general started. If they wanted to fix the damage done to this election, they would have to restart the primaries well. Fixing the issues at this stage in the game is like putting on a bulletproof vest after you have already been shot, the damage is done.

    And as the wikileaks have shown with the DNC, Clinton, and the media all conspiring to sideline Sanders and prop up Trump for someone easier to beat along with all the voter issues around the nation with switched registrations and the California poll workers instructed to give Independents the wrong ballots so they couldn't vote for president along with all the stuff with the exist polls which are an indicator sign the US uses for election fraud even in other states. One way or another, whether it was at the ballot, the parties office, or the media conspiring. The primaries on the democratic side were effectively if not literally rigged.

    And you don't need to rig a general election if you already rigged the primaries and got to control whom even made it into the general. Not matter which one lose at that point, you still win.

    Lets face it, they have no intention on securing these elections or else they would restart them entirely at this point. This is all about saving their figurative face to the public.

  31. Re: Hillary at it again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    obama regime blaming russia again for interference.

    For fucks sake, every other country on earth can blame america for interfering into other people affairs, obama regime has as much credibility as a cocksucking car salesman...

  32. Re: Are there no guns allowed at Trump rallies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the same question to BLM negroes and jihadists, not a single infidel blown up at hillarys rallies

  33. Re:Red Flag Team vs Blue Flag Team by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    Your words echo Trumpsky's denials but US Intelligence service says otherwise: http://www.theverge.com/2016/1...

    Yeah, you know how US Intel has been known to lie, both on purpose and also on accident? I have absolutely no reason to believe them when they say 'trust us', especially when they are talking about starting a cyberwar.

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  34. Russian Hackers with Scruples? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So let me get this straight, they set up man in the middle attack servers, sent attack emails to DNC staff, intercepted emails for the election, and selectively leaked those to Julian Assange for a bit of Wikileaks innuendo attack.... to get their guy Trump into power. Yet they wouldn't hack election machines, counting machines or vote counters emails?

    And you think that's "tech savvy"? And there are enough GOP and Putin astroturfers here to mod you to a +4?

    That hacking DNC email, and using the intelligence in the email to get their puppet into power *ISN"T* election tampering???

    If Russia was trying to put Clinton in power, you'd be screaming for the CIA to protect the election from Putin's tampering, instead you side with a foreign power simply because you think he's helping get your guy elected! Bad news he's not your guy, he's Putin's guy.

    1. Re:Russian Hackers with Scruples? by wasted · · Score: 1

      Yet they wouldn't hack election machines, counting machines or vote counters emails?

      If the voting machines or vote-counting computers are connected to the internet, there is an incredibly big security issue that needs to be addressed. Who cares about emails regarding vote counts, provided the votes are tallied correctly, and reported as required by law, which would involve a method removed from the internet.

      That hacking DNC email, and using the intelligence in the email to get their puppet into power *ISN"T* election tampering???

      No, it is not. No votes have been changed post vote, nor purchased or influenced with threat to my knowledge.

      If Russia was trying to put Clinton in power, you'd be screaming for the CIA to protect the election from Putin's tampering,

      You don't know me. If Trump's emails were leaked, I'd still feel that it wasn't election tampering, unless there was an email showing that Russia had found vunerable voting machines connected to the internet that they intended to use to swing the election.

      I thought my post was in terms simple enough for folks to get the point - there is a difference between leaking embarrassing information and tampering with elections. Maybe you obviously are so enamored with your candidate that you can't see that, you are on the HRC payroll, or you need some sleep.

    2. Re:Russian Hackers with Scruples? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      The really funny (or annoying) thing here is that a major donor to the Republican party - Diebold - lobbied hard with the Republican party to get their voting machines in place and now a guy who claims to represent the Republican party is sowing doubt about the electoral process because of those machines.

      Instead of these losers screaming about their own mistakes how about they fix them?

    3. Re:Russian Hackers with Scruples? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look under the colors. It's not red versus blue.

  35. Not russians as they would use for blackmail by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 2

    I very very very much doubt that this is the work of the russian government. Simply put, given all these emails, they would use them to better understand who is really in power, and then use them for blackmail. AFTER she became president. They wouldn't even blackmail her, but would blackmail some of the various players who wouldn't want these coming out.

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    1. Re:Not russians as they would use for blackmail by dbIII · · Score: 1

      It's just like the climate leak dump before the Copenhagen summit - a big pile of not much released to sow confusion and stop action. The same methods were used in both cases and fingers have been pointed at Russia both times.
      For blackmail there has to be something close to murder or having sex with thirteen year olds (I hope you behaved yourself on those trips to Russia Donald) to have an impact afterwards.

  36. Down With Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's to secure? Ariel Winter has already made it clear she despises Trump.

    Any true patriot would follow her ass to any poll and follow her vote.

    http://popminute.com/photo/1/ariel_winter_playboy_bunny_halloween2.jpg

    Captcha: triple (nom)

  37. Re:Evidence based motive, opportunity, etc. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    Not "trust us", US intelligence has enumerate exactly how it was done, by whom, where and when. The current hacker going by Guccifer 2.0 was pretending to be Romanian, but when faced with a translator, was found to be Russian.

    That's not much.

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  38. Our gov't has lost their minds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We supposedly hacked Russia? How fucking stupid are we? Time for Americans to leave the country - I don't want to get nuked.

  39. Re:Red Flag Team vs Blue Flag Team by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Your words echo Trumpsky's denials but US Intelligence service says otherwise:
    http://www.theverge.com/2016/1...

    Wow, what a trustworthy source!

    Remember when they kept trying to get people to believe that North Korea hacked Sony over a shitty movie? Remember when there was zero evidence of that happening or even being remotely possible? Remember when they quietly dropped it when the truth started coming out?

  40. Our Government in the US by hackus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Some things I find disturbing:

    "By hacking and dumping emails, Russia is trying 'to denigrate the American electoral system, to make it look chaotic, make it look manipulable, make it look subject to intrusion, cheating and vulnerable so you can't trust it...to make us look no better than the Russian electoral system,'" said one senior White House official. Russia is also expected to extend their efforts toward elections in Europe..."

    Let me get this straight.

    Even IF Russia was dumping Emails, and let me be clear...they are not...all of these Emails have been verified by FBI sources. Which, means, the democratic party has voters who do not care if their candidate is a treasonous criminal, the are voting for Hillary anyway.

    Secondly:

    "U.S. military hackers have penetrated Russia's electric grid, telecommunications networks and the Kremlin's command systems, making them vulnerable to attack by secret American cyber weapons should the U.S. deem it necessary, according to a senior intelligence official and top-secret documents reviewed by NBC News."

    This is an act of war. Not on a goat herding nation that can't fight back. These VERY DESPERATE OLIGARCHS are trying to start a distraction from their criminal activities, and provoke a NUCLEAR POWER, that could wipe out the eastern seaboard in about 20 minutes.

    No Russia is not Iraq, far from it.

    These people kicked Napoleans ass, Hitlers ass while European fags cowered in their boots and some, Like the French surrenderd without even a fight in World War 2.

    All of this activity by the US government is TREASON, they have no right to start a war without full authorization from Congress let alone attack another country either cyber or physically wise.

    One more thing.

    These Executive orders effectively has made the President a king. These have to be immediately reversed an stopped.

    No individual branch of goverment has that sort of authority except congress with a majority vote of 2/3rds.

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    1. Re:Our Government in the US by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 0

      I encourage moderators to look at the posting history of this demented idiot before they vote his post up.

    2. Re:Our Government in the US by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There is evidence that Russia is providing the emails through Wikileaks. The evidence I've got isn't conclusive, but flat claiming that Russia didn't do it suggests that the poster doesn't actually care about the evidence.

      There's lots of Democrats who don't care that a bunch of Republicans call Clinton a treasonous criminal, lacking decent evidence for either treason or crime.

      You're also casually assuming that US intelligence services are lying, and that for some reason Obama wants to provoke Russia. US intelligence services are not known for their honesty, and Presidents have done stupid things before, but you're assuming that Russia is innocuous (an odd conviction) and that Obama wants a war with Russia.

      Your WWII history isn't any better. The Luftwaffe lost about the same number of planes in the Battle of France as the Battle of Britain, if I remember correctly, and nobody's accused the British of rolling over. France fell so fast because of General Gamelin's strategy, not any lack of fighting spirit, complicated by the problems with French armor and air doctrine. The French fought hard when they could fight, and improved their tactics as the battle went on.

      Presidential directives are essentially orders to the executive branch on how to execute their duties, and have been issued by Presidents for a long time. Last I looked (a few years ago), you had to go back to Grover Cleveland to find a lower rate of directives. They do not carry the force of law.

      Presidents have been committing acts of war without Congressional approval for a long time now. This isn't just a modern or a Democrat thing.

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  41. Hilarious by byrdfl3w · · Score: 1

    "make it look chaotic, make it look manipulable, make it look subject to intrusion, cheating and vulnerable so you can't trust it"
    In other words, make it look exactly like it is.

  42. incompetence by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Russia is trying 'to denigrate the American electoral system, to make it look chaotic, make it look manipulable, make it look subject to intrusion, cheating and vulnerable so you can't trust it...

    No need to do anything on that front. All of Europe has been laughing about the US voting process for decades. You've got the most complicated, error-prone, untrustworthy election system I personally have ever seen or heard about. The fact that you're incapable of fixing it is the best proof that the whole system is broken beyond repair.

    I'm not just talking voting machines, I also mean Gerrymandering, the fact that you vote on a working day (seriously?) or that there are hour-long queues. You are holding elections the way 3rd world countries hold their first election in history, and it's just absolutely pathetic.

    What could Russia possibly do to discredit this abomination? If I were the russian general in charge, I'd tell my hackers to stay out of this, lest they accidentally fix something and make it better.

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    1. Re:incompetence by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      Oh, we laugh here in Australia too, at the absolute circus that is the US electoral system.
      Any government whose leader is not assured a majority in at least the lower house (Congress) is designed to be dysfunctional.
      Its scary that such lunacy affects the rest of us.

    2. Re:incompetence by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      One of the reasons it is so fucked up is that we don't have AN election system, we have 50 election systems. It was designed that way for several good reasons, which I am not going to go into here. The real problem is that there are people who are trying to make it ONE election system without going through the correct process for making the change (amending the Constitution). Some of them do not realize that elections are run by the states and that tells you all you need to know about why THEIR ideas would not work (if you don't actually know how the system currently works, you certainly are not going to be able to fix it). Some of them know full well that the system is run by the states and would like to change that but know that doing it the right way would involve people learning WHY it was designed that way, and they suspect most people would agree with the reasons for doing it that way if they became aware of it.

      The problem is that most of the few honest people involved want to fix the whole thing at once rather than go through the process of getting each state to fix what's broken in that state, complicated by the fact that what is broken varies from state to state.

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    3. Re:incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any government whose leader is not assured a majority in at least the lower house (Congress) is designed to be dysfunctional.

      Uh, yes. It was, in fact, intentionally designed for gridlock. The US government was designed to work slowly.

    4. Re:incompetence by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      You are holding elections the way 3rd world countries hold their first election in history, and it's just absolutely pathetic.

      For even funnier schadenfreude, take a look at all of the stuff that America enforces when they help supervise elections in actual third-world countries to combat fraud and electoral shenanigans.

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    5. Re:incompetence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Russia is trying 'to denigrate the American electoral system, to make it look chaotic, make it look manipulable, make it look subject to intrusion, cheating and vulnerable so you can't trust it...

      No need to do anything on that front. All of Europe has been laughing about the US voting process for decades. You've got the most complicated, error-prone, untrustworthy election system I personally have ever seen or heard about. The fact that you're incapable of fixing it is the best proof that the whole system is broken beyond repair.

      I'm not just talking voting machines, I also mean Gerrymandering, the fact that you vote on a working day (seriously?) or that there are hour-long queues . You are holding elections the way 3rd world countries hold their first election in history, and it's just absolutely pathetic.

      What could Russia possibly do to discredit this abomination? If I were the russian general in charge, I'd tell my hackers to stay out of this, lest they accidentally fix something and make it better.

      Well, as far as I can tell, this problem has been solved, at least in my state. We are allowed to vote in advance (I voted last week, 10 minute wait) or by mail. I'm not sure what stories you've heard, but (again, at least in my state) you don't experience a long wait unless you specifically show up at peak hours on election day, which you should never be a concern if you aware of early voting/voting by mail.

    6. Re:incompetence by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Any government whose leader is not assured a majority in at least the lower house (Congress) is designed to be dysfunctional.

      The US system was not designed to avoid being dysfunctional. It also wasn't as well designed as it would have been with hindsight. The President was supposed to replace the King, on a temporary and elected basis. Kings were generally not officially partisans, although they might favor one party more than another. Many of the Founders didn't want political parties to form the way they did.

      Personally, I think it was a darn good piece of work for when it happened and with such limited experience, but it has its flaws.

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    7. Re:incompetence by Tom · · Score: 1

      The problem is that the whole system was designed for the world of 1800 or so. I know the reasoning behind the Tuesday voting (ancient times, few poll stations, Monday for travel, etc.) - but it's insane that in the last 100 years since railways became common and cars were invented nobody thought that maybe it might need an update.

      That includes the fact that each state has its own voting system. That might've made sense 200 years ago. Does it still make sense today?

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    8. Re:incompetence by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      Yes, it makes sense for each state to have its own voting system. That allows for different states to try different things without breaking the entire nation's elections if it turns out to be a stupendously stupid idea (it is much easier to find and implement work-arounds for one state when something doesn't work as advertised than it is to do so for all 50 states at once). It also means that you do not have one contracting authority which might give the contract for voting machines in all 50 states to one company that does not know how to make voting machines.
      And yes, it would make sense to change some of the things which are set up the way they are (election day being on Tuesday is the main one). The problem is that, at this point in history, you could not convince people to limit themselves to "fixing" (the quotes are because not all of the things that people would want to change are broken) just one thing at a time to see how that changes the way other things work (a problem which we see exhibited in a lot of other areas as well).

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    9. Re:incompetence by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      My favourite response to the republiican movement in Australia is, name a classier more competant head of state than our current Queen.
      Gets them every time, we have Governor generals who do the official ceremonies and open fates and such things, who are usually non partisan.
      A presidential system seems to always lead to a politicised head of state.

  43. Re:Are there no guns allowed at Trump rallies? by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 1

    No but think about it, all this time they were worried about Obama coming for their guns, and Orange Hitler comes along and they're ready to just hand them over. What could that possibly reveal?

  44. Wouldn't that impression reflect reality? by Morpf · · Score: 2

    By hacking and dumping emails, Russia is trying 'to denigrate the American electoral system, to make it look chaotic, make it look manipulable, make it look subject to intrusion, cheating and vulnerable so you can't trust it...to make us look no better than the Russian electoral system.

    I'm going out on a limb here, but wouldn't that impression be the actual truth? How the democrats rigged against Sanders, that apparently the Democrats and their candidat got hacked, we know for ages that voting machines are not trustworthy, there is the concept of gerrymandering, and how on earth became Trump even a candidate, not speaking about that the charges against Hillary were dropped.

    Not sure whom to attribute those hacks, but isn't it actually a good thing, that this knowledge is now spread between the voters so they can make a more informed decision? Isn't it better to know what is going on than to life in fluffy unicorn land?

    All the governments are always saying: No need to fear, if you have nothing to hide. Well...

  45. American electoral system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If dumping emails can make the electoral system look "manipulable, vulnerable and subject to intrusion and cheating", then that's because it is manipulable, vulnerable and subject to intrusion and cheating. That fact was just concealed before.

  46. Brought to you by people who enjoy #spiritcooking by Xenographic · · Score: 2

    You might want to check the Project Veritas video--we have people like Zulema Rodriguez to thank for those protests turning violent. And we can fact check that all the way back to her illegal actions at the AZ protest, lying to cops, and being on the Democratic payroll thanks to the FEC site. So you might be inclined to believe the people you don't like are violent, but we have videos that can be independently corroborated, as well as discussions in the Podesta email dump to tie it all together.

    And there was also this guy who attempted to steal a gun: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/19/...

    So we can hardly rule out any sort of dirty tricks here, especially with Hillary's poll numbers taking a dive lately.

    There were also fake pedophile smears against Julian (Todd & Claire) as well as Trump (Epstein has way more ties to Bill, and Podesta has a ton of pedo friends apparently, including the former Republican speaker/convicted child molester so one really wonders what *they* have in common...) with that lawsuit now being voluntarily dismissed after being debunked even by Jezebel, Popehat and many other sources.

  47. Re:Brought to you by people who enjoy #spiritcooki by quantaman · · Score: 1

    You might want to check the Project Veritas video

    James O'Keefe's is famous precisely for making videos dishonestly edited and presented to create fake scandals.

    I'll watch his video on a scandal after I finish reviewing Bernie Madoff's report on my mutual funds.

    And there was also this guy who attempted to steal a gun: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/19/...

    And a mentally ill guy from Britain has to do with what?

    There were also fake pedophile smears against Julian (Todd & Claire) as well as Trump (Epstein has way more ties to Bill, and Podesta has a ton of pedo friends apparently, including the former Republican speaker/convicted child molester so one really wonders what *they* have in common...) with that lawsuit now being voluntarily dismissed after being debunked even by Jezebel, Popehat and many other sources.

    Well we don't actually know the accusations against Trump were fake, they were damn sketchy but that doesn't mean they were fake.

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  48. U.S. military penetrated Russia's electric grid? by khz6955 · · Score: 1

    "U.S. military hackers have penetrated Russia's electric grid, telecommunications networks and the Kremlin's command systems, making them vulnerable to attack by secret American cyber weapons should the U.S. deem it necessary, according to a senior intelligence official and top-secret documents reviewed by NBC News."

    Only if the Russians are dumb enough to connect their SCADA systems directly to the Internet and run them on Microsoft Windows.

  49. Re:Brought to you by people who enjoy #spiritcooki by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    > James O'Keefe's is famous precisely for making videos dishonestly edited and presented to create fake scandals.

    The video can be corroborated by a wealth of independent evidence as I discussed here: https://slashdot.org/firehose....

    A few more bits of corroboration came out after that, but so much came out that I never got it linked up. I would also like to mention that the emails can be validated by DKIM, so nobody has been altering them.

    > And a mentally ill guy from Britain has to do with what?

    He attempted to steal a gun to shoot Trump. Just saying this isn't the first assassination scare. I think it's the 4th?

    > Well we don't actually know the accusations against Trump were fake, they were damn sketchy but that doesn't mean they were fake.

    You'd get better odds on a Royal Flush. An anonymous victim with anonymous witnesses for something that allegedly happened decades ago and involving a well-known pedophile (Epstein) where Bill Clinton took 20+ trips on his "Lolita Express" with several of those trips having no SS agents present. Yeah, lots of people were on that guy's plane but with Podesta being into that creepy as hell #spiritcooking crap, you have to kind of wonder.

    P.S. here's a good summary of most of the Podesta email findings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  50. Voting computers with no paper trail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't need any hacking, they are already pre-hacked by their factory settings. And who owns the company providing voting computers? George Soros—a maniac hell-bent on shaping the world according to his own personal views. He bought what Sequoia Voting Systems purchased from Dominion company what they purchased from DieBold.

    https://www.wired.com/2016/08/americas-voting-machines-arent-ready-election/
    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/10/dont_sweat_soros_voting_machines.html
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting#Electronic_voting_manufacturers

    1. Re:Voting computers with no paper trail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "George Soros—a maniac hell-bent on shaping the world according to his own personal views."

      Well, we know what _your_ personal views are.

      Soros is a progressive, but he's so far from being a 'maniac' that it's just hilarious. The guy is sharp, quick witted, measured and the smartest voice in the room.

    2. Re:Voting computers with no paper trail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soros crimes

      Soros DC leaks

      George Soros is a Hungarian-American business magnate, investor, philanthropist, political activist and author who is of Hungarian-Jewish ancestry and holds dual citizenship. He drives more than 50 global and regional programs and foundations. Soros is named an architect and a sponsor of almost every revolution and coup around the world for the last 25 years. The USA is thought to be a vampire due to him and his puppets, not a lighthouse of freedom and democracy. His minions spill blood of millions and millions of people just to make him even more rich. Soros is an oligarch sponsoring the Democratic party, Hillary Clinton, hundreds of politicians all over the world. This website is designed to let everyone inside George Soros’ Open Society Foundation and related organisations. We present you the workplans, strategies, priorities and other activities of Soros. These documents shed light on one of the most influential network operating worldwide.

  51. Re: by srichard25 · · Score: 1

    First, I'm trying to understand why people think ANY level of fraud is ok.

    Second, The President of the United States is on YouTube telling ILLEGAL aliens not to be scared to vote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCLO0WBvhF8

  52. Re:Brought to you by people who enjoy #spiritcooki by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    You'd get better odds on a Royal Flush. An anonymous victim with anonymous witnesses for something that allegedly happened decades ago and involving a well-known pedophile (Epstein) where Bill Clinton took 20+ trips on his "Lolita Express"

    If you had confidence that Trump didn't fuck a child you wouldn't be mentioning Bill Clinton at all. That's handwaving bullshit. Pay no attention to the man we're actually talking about right now!

    If you want an agreement that Bill Clinton is a squashed shit, here it is. But try to stay on topic, son.

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  53. Re:Evidence based motive, opportunity, etc. by khallow · · Score: 1

    US intelligence has enumerate exactly how it was done, by whom, where and when.

    So did Germany when a radio station on the border of Poland was attacked in 1939. It turned out to be staged by the Germans themselves, but the lie was good enough to justify the invasion of Poland.

  54. Ban EditorDavid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given the content of the post, I recommend that Slashdot ban EditorDavid. Two entirely different issues are being conflated with the headline:

    Secret Service, DHS Scramble To Secure America's Election

    One of which was a brutal beating of a man holding a sign by a group of Trump supporters.

    This is amongst the worst cobbled together pieces that Slashdot has ever posted.

  55. surely not by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    "By hacking and dumping emails, Russia is trying 'to denigrate the American electoral system, to make it look chaotic, make it look manipulable, make it look subject to intrusion, cheating and vulnerable so you can't trust it..."

    US voting system untrustworthy? Surely not....
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  56. Re:Brought to you by people who enjoy #spiritcooki by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    I think he's saying Bill's pedo ties provide motive for the left to falsely accuse Trump. That's rule #1 of the left: always accuse your opponent of whatever you're doing.

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  57. Does not matter much anyways by gweihir · · Score: 1

    This election is a choice between the Plague and Cholera. Hillary will be a bit better short-term, but she will continue and cement the overall downwards-trend. Trump would be without doubt a catastrophe, but this may be a case of rather an end in tears than tears without end. The fact of the matter is that if these two are the best the US political landscape has to offer and who the voters are willing to vote for, then the country is already in a late phase of the decline and essentially doomed.

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    1. Re:Does not matter much anyways by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      I wholeheartedly agree with you.

      This country is the laughing stock of the planet in choosing two very substandard candidates.

      There is now way we can come out of this election in a good way.

      My only hope is whoever is elected President has a health problem and is replaced with their Vice President.

      In both situations, the VP appears to be a better candidate than the abysmal presidential choice.

  58. The Farce is Strong with you by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Trump letting people know that they can LEGALLY change an early vote is not wrong. It's legal. Not only that, but it's worth nothing to people who probably didn't know it was LEGAL. Compared to DNC coolest guy Bob Creamer funding busing of minority groups for money across State lines to vote ILLEGALLY is so offensive it can only be described as idiocy.

    Of course you are anonymous because we would all be able to peg Shill accounts by name. I'm guessing the DNC is paying you to post, and paying you from a different country.

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  59. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, I'm trying to understand why people think ANY level of fraud is ok.

    The same reason we consider any level of crime to be more tolerable than eliminating it. The price of doing so is excessive compared to the result.

    It's a rather common realization, and why we don't live in a police state.

    Second, The President of the United States is on YouTube telling ILLEGAL aliens not to be scared to vote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCLO0WBvhF8

    Ah, I guess you do think some level of fraud is ok.

    You know, the level where you lie about what somebody said.

    Either that, or you're dumb enough to fall for the hysterical misrepresentation of it.

  60. A scuffle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That implies fighting. Not rounding on someone who was trying to protest, attacking him, pulling at his testicles and trying to choke him.

    It's only a scuffle if he's fighting back, and not lying on the floor being beaten for protesting.

  61. Not just a troll, but a lie by s.petry · · Score: 2

    Funny that you don't mention Bob Creamer in your comment, or any of the dozen or so people seeding provocateurs into not just Trump gatherings but Sanders gatherings. You don't mention the people on campuses shutting down speeches, visits, and gatherings for people who are conservative leaning. Being "alt-Right" is not an excuse to deny someone's first amendment rights. These are not one time gigs, but on Campuses have been going for years and for the election over a year.

    Also consider that the only candidate to have someone actively attempt to assassinate them was Trump, when a whacko attempted to steal a gun from a guards belt to shoot at him.

    If you actually recognize those real events, you would understand that someone behaving oddly would be at least suspicious. If he was reaching into his jacket pocket to get a phone and looked that far out of place you bet your ass people would think and perhaps say "gun".

    Now consider the massive amount of emails found on Weiner's laptop and what we know the NYPD was investigating. Not just child pornography, but trafficking. Podesta being invited to events most people would say are occultist. How many politicians are going to be implicated by Weiner's laptop? I'm sure there are plenty of politicians worried right now. People who find information outside of the politically controlled media are, and should be, on high alert. Citations should not be needed, you know damn well how to perform Google searches and type search terms into Wikileaks. The UK has very recent examples of Government involvement in sex trafficking and pedophilia at massive scale. Politics is not immune to corruption, it attracts it.

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    1. Re:Not just a troll, but a lie by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The FBI has concluded that the additional emails they're looking at do not change their recommendation of no prosecution, so all of you email alarmists should back down. It's possible that other people may get into trouble from that investigation, but not Clinton.

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    2. Re:Not just a troll, but a lie by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Not relevant to the conversation. Try to read and keep up with the big people

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  62. Re: Are there no guns allowed at Trump rallies? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    the same question to BLM negroes ...

    Please don't TLA Black Lives Matter to BLM.

    Out here in the not-so-urban areas (where much of the pro-Trump people live) "BLM" is the Bureau of Land Management - a federal bureaucracy whose overreach is one of the major issues in the presidential politics this cycle.

    The TLA is already in use, and recycling it for another actor in this drama causes initial misreading of posts that do this.

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  63. Re:Red Flag Team vs Blue Flag Team by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    Remember when there was zero evidence of that happening or even being remotely possible? Remember when they quietly dropped it when the truth started coming out?

    Actually I didn't know that part happened, so thanks for pointing it out.

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  64. Re:Brought to you by people who enjoy #spiritcooki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you had confidence that Trump didn't fuck a child you wouldn't be mentioning Bill Clinton at all. That's handwaving bullshit. Pay no attention to the man we're actually talking about right now!

    That case was dropped. The people behind it have been trying to extort Trump for money the entire campaign (this was the third attempt at a lawsuit) and the anonymous accuser all of a sudden dropped off the face of the earth after failing to show up for a "tell-all press conference."

    The whole "Trump had sex with a child" thing is pretty much conclusively debunked at this point.

    Bill Clinton making frequent trips to "Sex Island" on the "Lolita Express" on the other hand? Those are pretty well conclusively proven.

  65. Re:Are there no guns allowed at Trump rallies? by HBI · · Score: 0

    I was at the Friday night Trump rally at Hershey PA - one of the 11,000 inside. The Secret Service ran the metal detectors in conjunction with the TSA. No guns were obvious except on the Secret Service themselves and local cops - everyone knows that you can't bring them into stadiums and arenas, so it doesn't happen.

    I'm sure almost all of the attendees had (more than) one at home, though. Law abiding gun owners are only a problem for leftist pricks who want a totalitarian state.

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  66. Remove electronic voting machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And maybe I won't snicker at your "Senior White House official's" boistrus stupidity.

  67. Wrong side of the country. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Are there no guns allowed at Trump rallies?

    Nevada allows guns even in casinos (concealed with a shall-issue (i.e, go through the hoops and they must issue it) permit). But federal law prohibits them in zones around people being bodyguarded by the Secret Service. Federal law trumps state law and this law hasn't been tested in court against the Second Amendment.

    How did they get all those hillbillies to leave their guns at home?

    In addition to being racist and intolerant of diverse cultures, this use of "hillbillies" is incorrect, and displays your provincialism. The term applies to people in portions of the Appalachian mountain range, on the opposite side of the continent and more than 2,000 miles away from both the Sierras (where Reno is located) or the (somewhat more eastward) Rockies.

    If you really want to flame the people of Nevada, try "cowboys". (Also Indians: A substantial fraction of the local population and culture happen to be members of, or descended from, one of the several local tribes.)

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    1. Re: Wrong side of the country. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2015 census shows 1.6 percent of the entire population of Nevada claims American Indian heritage. Reno's demographic is even lower than the state average. This is a substantial proportion in your book?

    2. Re: Wrong side of the country. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      2015 census shows 1.6 percent of the entire population of Nevada claims American Indian heritage. Reno's demographic is even lower than the state average. This is a substantial proportion in your book?

      1. Many people with some American Indian ancestry (my wife, for instance) don't claim it on the census. (Especially in the western US, where census data was used to round up people with Japanese ancestry and intern them in concentration camps during WW II (which also kept them from paying taxes, mortgages, and business obligations, resulting in the loss of homes and businesses and impoverishing them when they were finally released.) This is still remembered, as are many of the other instances where the federal government interacted badly with tribals. After more than two centuries of bad track record, don't expect Indians to fall for claims by bureaucrats that "It's different now!" and admit to being members of a group that has often been the target of invasion and genocide.

      2. Reno the city, and other cities along the west side of Nevada (the part with which I'm familiar), have adjacent and/or nearby reservation land, with substantial housing occupied primarily by people of tribal descent. Functionally they're suburbs, so their populations don't count to the core city numbers even though they may work in the city, shop there, participate in sports, go to the university, vote in the county, state, and national elections that affect the city, campaign for or against candidates, etc.

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  68. Um, no weapon found. by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    Jitters?

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    https://www.youtube.com/c/BrendaEM
  69. Re:Brought to you by people who enjoy #spiritcooki by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    > If you had confidence that Trump didn't fuck a child you wouldn't be mentioning Bill Clinton at all.

    They all run the Clinton Foundation together with Chelsea, which appears to be in on some of this stuff.

    Let's just say it doesn't surprise us that the Clintons would come up in relation to the Wiener probe.

    But yes, I do have confidence that Trump did no such thing, he had nothing to do with Epstein (and even banned him from one of his properties) years before it came out the guy was a pedo.

  70. They almost got away with it... by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.co...

    Yeah, they almost got away with another bird dogging attempt.

    No wonder they were so quick to interview him on the media and get this story out, whereas you see little mention of that guy in Nevada who tried to steal guard's gun at a rally to shoot Trump.

  71. Re:Brought to you by people who enjoy #spiritcooki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everything the Clinton campaign accuses Trump of is shit they're guilty of themselves
    news of the Uranium One deal starts filtering out into the public - Accuse Trump of being a Russian agent
    Accusations of Trump inciting violence at his rallies - turns out they've been sending operatives to them to start fights
    say that Trump has a bad temperament which will lead to WWIII - Hillary wants to shoot down Russian planes over Syria

    I can only assume at this point that Hillary is personally raping kids with a strap-on

  72. Absolutely absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is absolutely absurd. No Republican has ever been found to be doing something scientifically.

  73. Uphill battle in North Carolina by PPalmgren · · Score: 1

    When it all comes down to it, I think he may lose the election squarely because of HB2. North Carolina, being a purple state with large urban centers, has a lot of very ticked off voters in Wilmington, Asheville, Charlotte, and Raleigh because of what the Republican-controlled state house and governer's office has done to the state with the discriminatory law. For someone like me whose fairly young (31) and suffering political burnout, the law has had the opposite effect that state republicans intendend: it didn't galvanize the far right but instead pissed off the moderates who tend to be financially conservative but socially liberal. I will be showing up at the polls specifically to vote out the idiots in the state legislature who passed this atrocity as well as tell the governor where he can stick it. I suspect a large percentage of voters in this pool aren't inclined to vote for Trump.

  74. secret sercive scrambling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they scramble to STEAL it! if you think your vote counts you are uninformed The S-Electoral College takes precedence over the popular vote - ore did u sleep thru bush/gore in 2000? George Soros(black lives matter) owns the voting machines in 16 states. there is NO WAY your vote will go to the person you chose! forget it. not possible. Boycott and make them have a REDO! doesn't the fraud on the part of the DNC sabotaging Sanders give good cause?
    the incidents captured on film prove Felony acts. oh. that's right! DOJ is in the Clinton Cabal there is no justice in America! see the anonymous videos WHO IS HUMA? Beware the Useful Idiots ..
    How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky: There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state.
    The first is the most important.
    1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people
    2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
    3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
    4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
    5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
    6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.
    7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
    8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
    Now, think ...
    Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States?

    Obama was influenced by the writings and philosophies Saul Alinsky, author of the book, "Rules for Radicals," and later by Frank Marshall Davis, with similar philosophies.
    Barak Obama followed the philosophies of these 'role models' throughout his days as a Community Organizer for ACORN, using tactics that appeared to some as 'shaking down' businesses in exchange for not branding them 'hate groups.'
    And apparently Obama is still following those radical rules today.
    Recall that Hillary Clinton did her college thesis on his writings and Barack Hussein Obama writes about him in his books.