I also own a Pebble. It was exciting to be the first of my geeky friends to own one, and I enjoy just showing it off. I have installed a bunch of different toys/apps on it, but no more than a few at a time because of limited memory on the watch. Right now I have Asteroids and Space Invaders for games (which work perfectly without a phone, BTW), and a few productivity apps and smart watch faces. I really like knowing I've left my phone behind. That has saved my butt a few times. I'm with you, gauauu, that the watch is not bulky, and the battery life is acceptable. Now that Google and Apple are getting ready to release their watches, Pebble, Sony and Samsung will probably be relics, but they were the first real commercially viable products. Pebble's Kickstarter project will go down in history as one of the most successful, and no one can take that away.
If you are making fun of nerds and geeks, you probably work for one.
Actually, I used it once in the entire post, so I didn't "keep using that word". Also, I'm very familiar with the term "accidentally", and most people understood the meaning of my sentence just fine. I suppose I should have realized that some people who read Slashdot would be confused, and made my statement more clear. I take every precaution to ensure that I don't inadvertently shine it in someone's face.
I managed to acquire a 50mw pen sized green laser on eBay quite easily. The people in question could have done the same. My laser can do interesting things to objects about a mile away. At 500 feet, I can easily hit a windshield. Some types of glass and plastic react in an interesting way to my laser, they turn totally green and almost opaque. If this were the case, the entire cockpit would have been flooded with a bright green light. If I were the pilot, it would have scared the crap out of me, and might very well have hurt my eyes a lot, since I can't just shut them, because I'm flying a helicopter and I'm having trouble seeing through the green windshield. Yeah, these people who used the laser on an unsuspecting pilot did a very bad thing, a federal offense, and should be hung out to dry for it. I recognize the danger of the device I own and would never even accidentally shine it near someone's face, nor would I ever let anyone else use it that way.
I'm not saying that people always do the right thing. People are just great at inventing justifications for their every action, vice or greedy desire. And when you get them in large groups, the tend to get dumber, not smarter (mob mentality). The Crusades were very misguided, and did a lot of damage to the reputation of Christians. But, they were an aberation, where people intentionally did NOT follow the teachings of Christ.
My point is that Christ teaches peace and self-sacrifice. Muhammad specifically taught "convert or die" and the concept of Jihad. A Muslim who stays true to his faith would have no problem killing a Christian, Jew or Athiest. Here is a helpful quote, "Throughout Islamic history, "jihad" has equaled violence and death. Today jihadists are being given the benefit of the doubt by European appeasers who choose to ignore or excuse Islamist atrocities." I hear these violent people described as "radical Islamists", but that is wrong. They are just following their core teachings to the letter. A Christian who behaves that way is distinctly NOT following the teachings of Christ.
So, what does this make of the game at the center of the discussion? The game is set in the future, after the Christians have been called home to Heaven. Those who are left behind were NOT Christians, so cannot be expected to behave like Christians are supposed to behave. Even if they convert to Christianity (as is the premise of the books and game), they are at a disadvantage, since the Antichrist is in power and Christians are being hunted down and killed with abandon. The situation is not "normal".
Anyway, I hope I have cleared up my original point.
Nope. That mantra is typically associated with Muslims. Check out what the Koran has to say about "infidels". Christ taught to love your enemies and do good to those who dispise you.
Thanks for the explanation. I was a kid, so wasn't sure about the why. All I know is she took great pleasure in throwing the chicken near wherever I was standing. The darned thing would run around (I know, like a chicken with its head cut off), but the head was still *barely* attached. It would be flopping to one side while the chicken ran all over. I would scream and try to run away from the chicken. My dear old grandma would laugh her darned head off at me. Was that cruelty to animals, small children, or both? All I know is that once I recovered, I got to eat some really good Louisiana fried chicken. Yummy.
My grandma used to kill chickens by twirling them over her head to break the necks, then throwing them down. Like to see her try that with a "superchicken"! Can't you just see it? Hank comes outside to find his wife, and there the is, cornered in the hen house. "Look out Hank! That one by the door knows judo or something!"
1) Vista is significantly different than XP. Office 12 is different too. We had to have a lot of training just to go from Win2K to WinXP.
2) MS buys research. That doesn't make the research valid.
The argument about "staying with what you've got" is more likely. People will have XP for years to come. They will be dragged kicking and screaming to Vista. They won't go to Linux unless there is something to compel them.
I agree with you, Mongoose. I have read a number of articles about the success of adult and cord stem cells. Lets see, blindness, spinal injuries, diabetes, leukemia, arthritis, and more, just in a quick search. All of the human success has come from adult/cord stem cells. The best that we've seen from embryonic stem cells is in rats. Nothing useful for humans for years, no matter how much money is dumped into the research.
Now, just as a pragmatic issue, taking social and ethical concerns totally out, I have to say that adult stem cells are a better "bang for the buck". Am I wrong here? Why is this even a debate?
I agree, wrong tool for the job. I've got a rotozip that would probably work fine. I'm just not interested in making that big a mess. It made a mess with drywall. I can't imagine what it (or this dremel) would do to a pumpkin. What an interesting way to redecorate the kitchen.:-)
This is just a modified JD Gator, typically used to haul stuff around. It is smaller than a humvee, and more fuel efficient, but by no means is a "killing machine".
It found 36 total. 25 were registry entries and the rest were files. Many looked like valid adware/malware items. I routinely clear cookies, so it wasn't just finding normal stuff.
Sorry to shoot your idea out of the water, but I've had XP with SP2 for a while, and Ad-Aware comes up with plenty of hits, and I don't visit porn sites. I'm just running it now and it already recognized 6 new objects.
Ahh well, it was a nice theory while it lasted.:-)
Well, just because you see it only as text in the source doesn't mean the value isn't being calculated by a server side include script, which is what most companies do. A server maintains the "max hits" count and a script can query that value and populate the HTML in-stream. I do that all the time in my stuff. In the resulting source HTML, the count appears as straight text.
What about those of us who just use OE for NNTP access? I use Eudora for email, and it works great there, but OE is a convenient newsgroup client. In this instance, it appears that Microsoft is actually encouraging 3rd party vendors. Now, I get to try out all of the other newsgroup clients out there. Many are free, but someone might get a few bucks from me.
I agree with you totally! I'm sick and tired of having to navigate to the same folder each time from each app. Even once I set the "default directory" in each app, some of them ignore it. Most apps don't even care where I want to store my files, so don't give me an option. I like the idea of pushing that functionality into the FSW and entirely removing it from the app.
One clarification concerning management of file locations. I frequently find myself flipping between 2 or 3 basic locations because the files are of the 3 types. The FSW would have to be smart enough to anticipate which folder I'm wanting to work with (not just look at the file extention, but based on the pattern, I'm going between A, B and C, and just used C, so chances are I'm going back to A. If that is the level of intelligence you are considering, OH GOD YES! I'm there, dude!:-)
OK, now you've answered all the questions, and I really like your solution. Very nice project for a college student. Flashy and useless:-) but fun to play with. It also looks like something that could potentially be packaged up and marketed as a product (Convert YOUR foosball table into a high-tech masterpiece today!). Of course you would sell it for much more than $50.:-)
Actually, given the progression of technology involved, it wouldn't take much for a robot of this type to actually be more able to survive, making the absolutely correct motions as the right time to avoid falling debris and move out of the area faster than a human possibly could.
Furthermore, considering the wireless technologies coming out, envision a single robot with multiple "bodies" instead of multiple independent robots. A robot with smart limbs which operate on their own could literally disassemble itself to fit through a small opening, reassemble on the other side. And that could happen extremely fast, as well.
I also get much more SPAM at the office than at home. My ISP uses McAfee to filter SPAM, and I only get a handful in my inbox. At work they use a very strange *manual* process to filter the email. Yes, people sitting at computers visually scanning all quarantined email. They delete, and its gone forever, false positive or not. I get P0rn, enlargement ads, everything you could imagine. Over half of my work email is SPAM, not just external email, but total. Out of 54 incoming messages, 29 of them were SPAM, and 25 of those were so blatant that any SPAM filter should have caught them.
I suppose the simplest thing for me as a parent is to restrict my son's access to the library, since I know it to be an unsafe environment for him. That is easy for me to do now, but as he gets older it will be much harder. At least by then I will have had the chance to educate him about the dangers to be found there. Just like a playground, I monitor him constantly (and somehow he still manages to hurt himself), every trip to the library will be a stressful experience as I protect my children from... the library.
One of the many issues at hand is that in some libraries pedophiles have used the material they find to approach and trap their prey. I don't think libraries should be their hunting ground. To me, if someone is viewing that material and allows a child to view it, that is molestation, but of course that is my opinion.
I didn't for a moment state, nor do I believe, that sex is bad. What I do believe is that there are things that should be controlled, just like medicine. I have very useful drugs at home (strong pain relievers), that could be deadly to my son, that I restrict him from. Am I saying that the drugs are bad? Not at all. If a pharmacy were run like a library, with full access to all drugs for everyone all the time, what would you say? Is that a very healthy environment? The pharmacy is akin to a book store, so what would the drug equivelent be to a library? I've got it, a crack house.
You never addressed my point about the fact that the sites are not permanently blocked, but just unavailable, and that requesting access to a site is fairly easy. A coworker of mine suggested a good idea, that the librarian have an administrative login that bypasses the filter. If someone wants to view a site, the librarian simply goes and helps the patron. That readily addresses the "doing research on breast cancer" scenario and closely approximates the current procedure for hardcopy material.
Education about sexuality should be up to the parents, I agree. It shouldn't be up to some guy in the library who thinks my son is "really cute", nor should a library be a place with no rules. I'll have to check on something here, but if my library has a "mature" book, can my 8 year old son just check it out? Do libraries currently have rules about who can view certain books and periodicals? I always thought they did.
I strongly disagree, Sean. I read your and many other discussion threads on this topic. I'm not a prude, nor a slut, but rather simply the parent of a little boy and girl, who wants to protect them (not in quotes). Your statement that "[t]hey'll end up clueless adults..." is pretty short-sighted. Do you also believe that kids should be exposed to sexual contact as well? Many pedophiles make that exact claim, that "little boys enjoy being fondled and photographed." Is that something you consider good for kids? If someone in a library tries to expose my son in that manner I would be tried for that person's murder.
I currently protect my kids by not allowing them inside the library, but what do I do when my son's school makes a trip to a public library?
Oh, and also realize that every commercial filter has the facility to override the blocks, so that if someone can't get to a certain site, all they have to do is request access. About as difficult as not being able to find a book and getting on the list for when it is returned. On that line of reasoning, if a book is unavailable, I'm not being denied my constitutional rights. If a router is down and I can't access a particular site, it is the same thing, isn't it? So, if the filter denies me access, all I do is request it. What is so bad about that?
If the $/GB of a standard HD is getting cheap, then check out what is going on in the FMD (Flourescent Multilayer Disk) arena. Take the exact size of a CD with sandwiched layers of clear plastic and flourescent dye (from 10 to 100 layers). It can be ROM, WORM, RAM or even a combination of each. The transfer speed is in the 1Gbps range but may go higher (the laser can read from all layers at once and keep it all straight). Check out http://www.fmdinsider.com or look up the company Constellation 3D (CDDD).
This blurs the line between solid state and MO because the disks are probably going to be priced at 1$/35GB. That makes it cheaper than a HD and faster too, and removable. Oh, and they can hold a movie in HDTV format (try that with DVD).
Also check out the FMC (FM-Card) which is a credit card sized media that holds about 10GB and would work well in MP3 players, cameras and PDAs.
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I'm not sure what you are trying to state with your comment, bulldog. Do you honestly think that there cannot be disagreement on any scientific subject? I happen to have serious questions about evolution. The evidence I have seen just doesn't make it a "slam dunk" theory (and it is a theory, isn't it?). For instance, there is evidence supporting the claim that creatures are becoming more and more specialized. Over time, this is not a survival trait. I argue that specialization customizes a more generic creature to a tighter and tighter ecological nitch, reducing the overall survivability of the creature. That has been "proven" (as much as we can prove anything) through scientific experiments where fruitflies, mice, etc. were subjected to environmental extremes where only some of the population could survive. Then the environment was changed again in the opposite direction after the subjects had adapted. There was a noticable drop in the number of survivors through repeated environment extremes. Basically, by specializing to one extreme, the ability to adapt to the other extreme is lost.
So, what I'm saying is that I don't agree that evolution is a proven fact. It is a theory. Just like the Earth is flat, that the Sun revolves around the Earth, that you can't go faster than sound, etc. Theories can be disproved. Just because I don't agree with your theory doesn't make me "anti-science". Actually, the ability to listen and discuss contrary ideas is exactly a mark of a good scientist. If you can't accept that someone else doesn't agree with you, then you have your own problems. Sorry.
May the flames begin.:-)
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I also own a Pebble. It was exciting to be the first of my geeky friends to own one, and I enjoy just showing it off. I have installed a bunch of different toys/apps on it, but no more than a few at a time because of limited memory on the watch. Right now I have Asteroids and Space Invaders for games (which work perfectly without a phone, BTW), and a few productivity apps and smart watch faces. I really like knowing I've left my phone behind. That has saved my butt a few times.
I'm with you, gauauu, that the watch is not bulky, and the battery life is acceptable. Now that Google and Apple are getting ready to release their watches, Pebble, Sony and Samsung will probably be relics, but they were the first real commercially viable products. Pebble's Kickstarter project will go down in history as one of the most successful, and no one can take that away.
If you are making fun of nerds and geeks, you probably work for one.
Actually, I used it once in the entire post, so I didn't "keep using that word". Also, I'm very familiar with the term "accidentally", and most people understood the meaning of my sentence just fine. I suppose I should have realized that some people who read Slashdot would be confused, and made my statement more clear. I take every precaution to ensure that I don't inadvertently shine it in someone's face.
I managed to acquire a 50mw pen sized green laser on eBay quite easily. The people in question could have done the same. My laser can do interesting things to objects about a mile away. At 500 feet, I can easily hit a windshield. Some types of glass and plastic react in an interesting way to my laser, they turn totally green and almost opaque. If this were the case, the entire cockpit would have been flooded with a bright green light. If I were the pilot, it would have scared the crap out of me, and might very well have hurt my eyes a lot, since I can't just shut them, because I'm flying a helicopter and I'm having trouble seeing through the green windshield. Yeah, these people who used the laser on an unsuspecting pilot did a very bad thing, a federal offense, and should be hung out to dry for it. I recognize the danger of the device I own and would never even accidentally shine it near someone's face, nor would I ever let anyone else use it that way.
I'm not saying that people always do the right thing. People are just great at inventing justifications for their every action, vice or greedy desire. And when you get them in large groups, the tend to get dumber, not smarter (mob mentality). The Crusades were very misguided, and did a lot of damage to the reputation of Christians. But, they were an aberation, where people intentionally did NOT follow the teachings of Christ.
My point is that Christ teaches peace and self-sacrifice. Muhammad specifically taught "convert or die" and the concept of Jihad. A Muslim who stays true to his faith would have no problem killing a Christian, Jew or Athiest. Here is a helpful quote, "Throughout Islamic history, "jihad" has equaled violence and death. Today jihadists are being given the benefit of the doubt by European appeasers who choose to ignore or excuse Islamist atrocities."
I hear these violent people described as "radical Islamists", but that is wrong. They are just following their core teachings to the letter. A Christian who behaves that way is distinctly NOT following the teachings of Christ.
So, what does this make of the game at the center of the discussion?
The game is set in the future, after the Christians have been called home to Heaven. Those who are left behind were NOT Christians, so cannot be expected to behave like Christians are supposed to behave. Even if they convert to Christianity (as is the premise of the books and game), they are at a disadvantage, since the Antichrist is in power and Christians are being hunted down and killed with abandon. The situation is not "normal".
Anyway, I hope I have cleared up my original point.
Nope. That mantra is typically associated with Muslims. Check out what the Koran has to say about "infidels". Christ taught to love your enemies and do good to those who dispise you.
Thanks for the explanation. I was a kid, so wasn't sure about the why. All I know is she took great pleasure in throwing the chicken near wherever I was standing. The darned thing would run around (I know, like a chicken with its head cut off), but the head was still *barely* attached. It would be flopping to one side while the chicken ran all over. I would scream and try to run away from the chicken. My dear old grandma would laugh her darned head off at me.
Was that cruelty to animals, small children, or both? All I know is that once I recovered, I got to eat some really good Louisiana fried chicken. Yummy.
My grandma used to kill chickens by twirling them over her head to break the necks, then throwing them down. Like to see her try that with a "superchicken"!
Can't you just see it? Hank comes outside to find his wife, and there the is, cornered in the hen house. "Look out Hank! That one by the door knows judo or something!"
You are kidding, right?
1) Vista is significantly different than XP. Office 12 is different too. We had to have a lot of training just to go from Win2K to WinXP.
2) MS buys research. That doesn't make the research valid.
The argument about "staying with what you've got" is more likely. People will have XP for years to come. They will be dragged kicking and screaming to Vista. They won't go to Linux unless there is something to compel them.
I agree with you, Mongoose.
I have read a number of articles about the success of adult and cord stem cells. Lets see, blindness, spinal injuries, diabetes, leukemia, arthritis, and more, just in a quick search. All of the human success has come from adult/cord stem cells. The best that we've seen from embryonic stem cells is in rats. Nothing useful for humans for years, no matter how much money is dumped into the research.
Now, just as a pragmatic issue, taking social and ethical concerns totally out, I have to say that adult stem cells are a better "bang for the buck".
Am I wrong here?
Why is this even a debate?
I agree, wrong tool for the job. I've got a rotozip that would probably work fine. I'm just not interested in making that big a mess. It made a mess with drywall. I can't imagine what it (or this dremel) would do to a pumpkin. What an interesting way to redecorate the kitchen. :-)
This is just a modified JD Gator, typically used to haul stuff around. It is smaller than a humvee, and more fuel efficient, but by no means is a "killing machine".
It found 36 total. 25 were registry entries and the rest were files. Many looked like valid adware/malware items. I routinely clear cookies, so it wasn't just finding normal stuff.
Sorry to shoot your idea out of the water, but I've had XP with SP2 for a while, and Ad-Aware comes up with plenty of hits, and I don't visit porn sites. I'm just running it now and it already recognized 6 new objects.
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Ahh well, it was a nice theory while it lasted.
Well, just because you see it only as text in the source doesn't mean the value isn't being calculated by a server side include script, which is what most companies do. A server maintains the "max hits" count and a script can query that value and populate the HTML in-stream. I do that all the time in my stuff. In the resulting source HTML, the count appears as straight text.
What about those of us who just use OE for NNTP access? I use Eudora for email, and it works great there, but OE is a convenient newsgroup client. In this instance, it appears that Microsoft is actually encouraging 3rd party vendors. Now, I get to try out all of the other newsgroup clients out there. Many are free, but someone might get a few bucks from me.
Thanks, Microsoft!
I agree with you totally!
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I'm sick and tired of having to navigate to the same folder each time from each app. Even once I set the "default directory" in each app, some of them ignore it. Most apps don't even care where I want to store my files, so don't give me an option. I like the idea of pushing that functionality into the FSW and entirely removing it from the app.
One clarification concerning management of file locations. I frequently find myself flipping between 2 or 3 basic locations because the files are of the 3 types. The FSW would have to be smart enough to anticipate which folder I'm wanting to work with (not just look at the file extention, but based on the pattern, I'm going between A, B and C, and just used C, so chances are I'm going back to A. If that is the level of intelligence you are considering, OH GOD YES! I'm there, dude!
OK, now you've answered all the questions, and I really like your solution. Very nice project for a college student. Flashy and useless :-) but fun to play with. It also looks like something that could potentially be packaged up and marketed as a product (Convert YOUR foosball table into a high-tech masterpiece today!). Of course you would sell it for much more than $50. :-)
Have fun!
Actually, given the progression of technology involved, it wouldn't take much for a robot of this type to actually be more able to survive, making the absolutely correct motions as the right time to avoid falling debris and move out of the area faster than a human possibly could.
Furthermore, considering the wireless technologies coming out, envision a single robot with multiple "bodies" instead of multiple independent robots. A robot with smart limbs which operate on their own could literally disassemble itself to fit through a small opening, reassemble on the other side. And that could happen extremely fast, as well.
I also get much more SPAM at the office than at home. My ISP uses McAfee to filter SPAM, and I only get a handful in my inbox. At work they use a very strange *manual* process to filter the email. Yes, people sitting at computers visually scanning all quarantined email. They delete, and its gone forever, false positive or not. I get P0rn, enlargement ads, everything you could imagine. Over half of my work email is SPAM, not just external email, but total. Out of 54 incoming messages, 29 of them were SPAM, and 25 of those were so blatant that any SPAM filter should have caught them.
We need something better, but it would cost jobs.
I suppose the simplest thing for me as a parent is to restrict my son's access to the library, since I know it to be an unsafe environment for him. That is easy for me to do now, but as he gets older it will be much harder. At least by then I will have had the chance to educate him about the dangers to be found there. Just like a playground, I monitor him constantly (and somehow he still manages to hurt himself), every trip to the library will be a stressful experience as I protect my children from ... the library.
One of the many issues at hand is that in some libraries pedophiles have used the material they find to approach and trap their prey. I don't think libraries should be their hunting ground. To me, if someone is viewing that material and allows a child to view it, that is molestation, but of course that is my opinion.
I didn't for a moment state, nor do I believe, that sex is bad. What I do believe is that there are things that should be controlled, just like medicine. I have very useful drugs at home (strong pain relievers), that could be deadly to my son, that I restrict him from. Am I saying that the drugs are bad? Not at all. If a pharmacy were run like a library, with full access to all drugs for everyone all the time, what would you say? Is that a very healthy environment? The pharmacy is akin to a book store, so what would the drug equivelent be to a library? I've got it, a crack house.
You never addressed my point about the fact that the sites are not permanently blocked, but just unavailable, and that requesting access to a site is fairly easy. A coworker of mine suggested a good idea, that the librarian have an administrative login that bypasses the filter. If someone wants to view a site, the librarian simply goes and helps the patron. That readily addresses the "doing research on breast cancer" scenario and closely approximates the current procedure for hardcopy material.
Education about sexuality should be up to the parents, I agree. It shouldn't be up to some guy in the library who thinks my son is "really cute", nor should a library be a place with no rules. I'll have to check on something here, but if my library has a "mature" book, can my 8 year old son just check it out? Do libraries currently have rules about who can view certain books and periodicals? I always thought they did.
I strongly disagree, Sean. I read your and many other discussion threads on this topic. I'm not a prude, nor a slut, but rather simply the parent of a little boy and girl, who wants to protect them (not in quotes). Your statement that "[t]hey'll end up clueless adults..." is pretty short-sighted. Do you also believe that kids should be exposed to sexual contact as well? Many pedophiles make that exact claim, that "little boys enjoy being fondled and photographed." Is that something you consider good for kids? If someone in a library tries to expose my son in that manner I would be tried for that person's murder.
I currently protect my kids by not allowing them inside the library, but what do I do when my son's school makes a trip to a public library?
Oh, and also realize that every commercial filter has the facility to override the blocks, so that if someone can't get to a certain site, all they have to do is request access. About as difficult as not being able to find a book and getting on the list for when it is returned. On that line of reasoning, if a book is unavailable, I'm not being denied my constitutional rights. If a router is down and I can't access a particular site, it is the same thing, isn't it? So, if the filter denies me access, all I do is request it. What is so bad about that?
If the $/GB of a standard HD is getting cheap, then check out what is going on in the FMD (Flourescent Multilayer Disk) arena. Take the exact size of a CD with sandwiched layers of clear plastic and flourescent dye (from 10 to 100 layers). It can be ROM, WORM, RAM or even a combination of each. The transfer speed is in the 1Gbps range but may go higher (the laser can read from all layers at once and keep it all straight). Check out http://www.fmdinsider.com or look up the company Constellation 3D (CDDD).
This blurs the line between solid state and MO because the disks are probably going to be priced at 1$/35GB. That makes it cheaper than a HD and faster too, and removable. Oh, and they can hold a movie in HDTV format (try that with DVD).
Also check out the FMC (FM-Card) which is a credit card sized media that holds about 10GB and would work well in MP3 players, cameras and PDAs.
I'm not sure what you are trying to state with your comment, bulldog. Do you honestly think that there cannot be disagreement on any scientific subject? I happen to have serious questions about evolution. The evidence I have seen just doesn't make it a "slam dunk" theory (and it is a theory, isn't it?). For instance, there is evidence supporting the claim that creatures are becoming more and more specialized. Over time, this is not a survival trait. I argue that specialization customizes a more generic creature to a tighter and tighter ecological nitch, reducing the overall survivability of the creature. That has been "proven" (as much as we can prove anything) through scientific experiments where fruitflies, mice, etc. were subjected to environmental extremes where only some of the population could survive. Then the environment was changed again in the opposite direction after the subjects had adapted. There was a noticable drop in the number of survivors through repeated environment extremes. Basically, by specializing to one extreme, the ability to adapt to the other extreme is lost. So, what I'm saying is that I don't agree that evolution is a proven fact. It is a theory. Just like the Earth is flat, that the Sun revolves around the Earth, that you can't go faster than sound, etc. Theories can be disproved. Just because I don't agree with your theory doesn't make me "anti-science". Actually, the ability to listen and discuss contrary ideas is exactly a mark of a good scientist. If you can't accept that someone else doesn't agree with you, then you have your own problems. Sorry. May the flames begin. :-)