It's hard to say. We have 308 seats in the House of Commons.
2 are vacant. (Hey, I guess it's a tough job market.) That leaves really 306.
There's no way the Bloc will let it get through unless they can put in a filter on all DVRs that translate every sign and line into French. That's 49 seats there.
The NDP is dead set against it. That's 29 seats.
That's 78 seats against.
The conservatives have 124 seats, the liberals 100. Assuming Harper uses his whip, that would give 124 FOR the legislation.
That's 124 / 78. If about 3/4 of the liberals vote against it, then it will fail.
That's assuming that everyone even bothers to show up. The last time Harper's government brought it restrictive legislation, (it was to repeal same-sex marriages) he didn't order his MPs to vote or even attend parliament. The bill was handily defeated.
So, the short answer is you can use the code, and so can anyone else.
The caveat is that some other entity can also use it to hurt you in a court of law. Remember, it's law, not logic.
I grabbed code from a forum and used it in my code. We then shipped it out to customers. What I didn't wasn't stealing. I asked for help on a problem, and someone in a forum replied with a suggestion. I used it. Later on, when reading another forum, a different person asked for help with the same problem I had. I offered up the same solution that I was given.
Nobody stole anything from anyone. Bear in mind that free advice is often worth what you paid for it.
The place I currently work for wanted a new website. I used the NiftyCube (GiYF) template and tweaked it just a little to meet our requirements. (Yes, I know that's GPL.) That's not stealing either.
If the code has no license, that means you can use it. Technically, it also means you can put a license on it yourself and then sue the original poster. That's why licenses like the GPL were created - to prevent someone from locking down someone else's free work as their own, then suing users.
For example, if NiftyCube wasn't GPL, then any given web-code generator could put the code in their next release and sue anyone who tried to put it into their website. Or I could put a (c) on it and create a revenue stream for my company.
That McDonalds had settled many times before. They didn't settle with her because they were expecting her to die of old age first. No plaintiff, no case.
It's because you get more XP when you convert the co-workers to your side. Didn't you play Syndicate with just the persuadatron? It's a little like that.
That's why they're looking at you funny. You're doing it wrong. It's a classic newbie mistake.
Well, there's my extra marks for funny. Now for the serious part:
I've taught a few people who couldn't speak how to work their voice. In one case, she would talk a little like Boomhauer from King of the Hiil. "Daddy, mumble mumble me mumble mumble juice mumble mumble counter?" Once she got used to the feedback and the system, she would fill in the mumbled parts with the correct conjunctions. Perhaps that's how the 80% is getting in there. The general idea is understandable, but the syntax is a little peculiar when it comes to the non-critical components of the sentence. Give the guy a few years to work with the implant and I'll bet that his speech will improve.
Alternatively, the scientists might all be Gen-Y text messengers who can't understand complete sentences.
"Excuse me, can you get me a phone? I would like to call my wife and tell her I can talk."
You are quite right. I don't know how to motivate people to care about something they should care about. I don't know whose responsibility it is. Nobody seems to care about who gets to be in charge. Maybe everyone thinks that their votes don't matter, or that whoever gets in is just as bad as anyone else. (It's a false choice, of course - the real answer is supposed to be "the electorate is in charge, and they aren't just 'taxpayers'".) Beyond a complete overhaul of the US election system, I don't really see any options for you guys. You're fucked. The average American would rather see news about some random celebrity or follow a sports team than see news about what's going on in the political arena.
I think I saw a Robot Chicken sketch where they gave the election results the "American Idol" treatment to increase interest in the 18-25 market. There were overlays showing the voting records of each candidate (105-8 against gay rights, 45-2 for corporate tax decreases, etc.), 1-800 numbers to text messages to get preliminary votes, and slides showing summaries of the party platforms. It was supposed to be funny, but I wondered why nobody has tried to make the system more interesting to people who don't even write in complete sentences.
I have many windmills of my own to tilt at, most of which have nothing to do with our elections. At least up here we've got somewhat of a choice in who to vote for. Personally, I've voted against the same guy (Dr. Keith Martin, MD) for several elections. The giant douche has won every fucking time. I'm still going to vote against him next time.
It's quite refreshing to have a minority government in power. That means that every time they want to get something done, they have to compromise. The winners are usually the citizens.
One vote does indeed make a difference. You might not think so, but the last time I checked, only 40% of Americans bothered to go out and vote last time. Do you have friends? Why not take them out voting next time? Have a voting party. Everyone goes out and votes, then you head back to your place with beer, nachos, and the TV results. People died to get you that vote. At least try to enjoy it.
Yes, I know that you're choosing between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. I've also got to choose between a bunch of clowns and some asswipes. (I'm Canadian. We have a multi-party system) If none of the choices are any good, go with the one that's the least bad. Sometimes that's the best you can hope for.
People like you are the same people who are letting a certain person run rampant in office. You're all such fucking pussies that you won't stand up to a bully and call him to task. Where are your balls, America? On Hillary? Really? That's the best you can do? Really? Nobody is standing up when your Constitution is destroyed, when the National Guard is absconded, when the Justice department is found to be corrupt, and your votes are being fucking tampered with? And not one person is willing to do a damned thing against it? Slacktivism doesn't count. GET OFF YOUR ASS.
If you think the votes are being stolen, why don't you escalate?
If that happened in Canada, I would steal an in-use voting machine on election night and reverse-engineer it. I'd report the findings to as many news agencies as I could find, knowing full well that I faced assassination or imprisonment. (Yeah, I know, Internet tough guy.) If you don't stand up for your rights and fight to defend them, people will take them away.
What fucking good is $1M if the government won't let you spend it? What about when they take $400k off the top for taxes?
Those who have a history of putting their country's interests ahead of their own safety and well-being were those who were deemed responsible enough to have a say in running the country. The idea was that they would continue to act (read:vote) in the best long-term interests of the country, ignoring any personal benefits.
I wouldn't put one on a car I owned (excuse me, Mr. Policeman, if you're Christian, can you write me a few extra tickets? I think I was speeding, and maybe my seatbelt was crooked, and my tail light is making a weird blinking when I turn the corner.) but I have to say that the Freud one made me laugh out loud.
Also, I'm pretty sure that all good science is supposed to be falsifiable. That doesn't mean it's false; it means that you can do experiments on it to attempt to disprove the theory.
These charges are to put the dissenters out of business. I suppose that's better than being assassinated, but you've got to realize that most of the world does not operate the way the Western World does. If you criticize most governments, you die. We take for granted that we can say what we want about the people in charge. In reality, most people get killed. That makes martyrs, so the best bet is to discredit those who oppose you first. "Yeah, they were totally unscrupulous. Look at all the pirated software they're using. You can't believe a thing these guys say."
Look at Tienanmen Square - the Chinese murdered thousands of protesters, and now it's illegal to even mention it. I know, they aren't Russian. All the Russians do is inject you with plutonium, set off car bombs, and steal your computers. That's if you're a reporter!
The US may suck sometimes, but at least you've got a shot at a trial. Gitmo notwithstanding, of course, but imagine if reporting on Gitmo got you sent there for life.
Interestingly enough, switches used in a high-reliability environment must be positively-engaged, mechanical action type. In other words, they must go "click" and make/break a contact. Hall sensors, capacitive sensors, proximity sensors, etc, are all deemed too unreliable to work properly. This would include touch screens - they're too prone to failure.
I'm an EE. I've written some life-critical code. (As in, code failure could potentially lead to human death.) Can you promise that the code in the voting machines is done to any standards whatsoever? Is it outsourced? Do the people writing the code have security clearances? More importantly, does anyone even remotely care?
Simpler devices are always better than more complicated ones, especially when the heart of the system relies on poorly-written code running on the cheapest processor the designer could find.
It's not even my country and I appear to care more than most of you.
1. My brother bought an old dreamcast game from EB. The game cost $2. The clerk said, "Would you like play insurance for $3? I have to ask in case you're a mystery shopper." I used to work retail - the people you see are just doing what they're told to keep their job. I did work for a really nice place that said, "remember, it's not your money. It's theirs. Give them whatever they're asking for, because otherwise, they'll just call head office, and we'll give them what they were asking for in the first place."
2. I was wondering what kind of people pay for game guides when you can find:
a) better guides online
b) more entertainment value playing the game yourself.
I'm a dad. It might not have been the sweetest thing I've heard, but I definitely sub-vocalized an "awww" when I read it. I thought that either of my kids would have done the same thing.
What about the people who fix the 911 systems? I interviewed for a job working for the provincial ambulance service this summer. Part of the job was to carry a cell / pager 24/7.
According to you, if I'd got that job, I should never go to the movies, go out to dinner, or even go home.
You're wrong. That's exactly what cellphones are for - getting into contact during an emergency.* What if you've got a web-enabled phone and can kill a hanged process and reboot the 911 dispatch server during the movie? Apparently, it's more important to watch Master of Disguise than let the police and ambulance use their radios.
You're awesome.
There are people who are that important. You are clearly not one of them. I am also not one of them, and I really don't want to be. I don't even OWN a cell phone.
*I know that cells won't work in an emergency (unless you really ARE that important).
You're at the max, so no mod points from me today. Also, you came in here to say what I was going to say.
Recently, I interviewed for a tech job with the [ area ] ambulance service. Part of the job would be to carry a cell or pager in case the systems went down. Yeah, the ambulance systems. If the 911 system went down, there would be a call to come in and fix it.
I didn't get the job, but that doesn't mean the job doesn't exist. Imagine that - 911 goes down, and they can't call you for help.
The guys who use cellphones aren't any more obnoxious to me than someone having a conversation. Maybe a tad more, since you don't get to hear the other side and thus it's a little harder to block it out, but seriously, it's a guy talking. Deal with the situation like a fucking adult. You don't have the right to avoid offensive behaviour. You don't have the right to endanger lives. You don't have the right to go through life without encountering rude behaviour. It's life. DEAL WITH IT.
These jammers are irresponsible, self-righteous assholes who deserve jail time or serious fines. You don't get to just cut off all the cellphones around you. Someone's going to die if they keep up that shit.
Some random higher-level language that runs on a software platform that you're trusting to work?
Programs are an abstraction that let humans try to understand what the processor is probably going to see. If you think that your program is infallible because it looks right and you and your Extreme Copilot have both pored over the code, then you're the kind of person who shouldn't program.
That's just the software / firmware side.
Hardware fails all the time. You know why?
They only make mil-spec chips. High temperature tolerance, solid reliability, etc.
The ones that fail some of the tests (statistically speaking, from a batch perspective) go into the "Industrial" or "Automotive" bins.
The ones that fail those tests go into the "Consumer" (or "plain") bin.
So when you're programming, you're using code automatically written by someone else that will run on a known failed piece of hardware.
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That's C-60. It's been defeated.
The new bill hasn't been read yet.
The first rule of that system - don't mention it. They don't know about it.
It's hard to say. We have 308 seats in the House of Commons.
2 are vacant. (Hey, I guess it's a tough job market.) That leaves really 306.
There's no way the Bloc will let it get through unless they can put in a filter on all DVRs that translate every sign and line into French. That's 49 seats there.
The NDP is dead set against it. That's 29 seats.
That's 78 seats against.
The conservatives have 124 seats, the liberals 100. Assuming Harper uses his whip, that would give 124 FOR the legislation.
That's 124 / 78. If about 3/4 of the liberals vote against it, then it will fail.
That's assuming that everyone even bothers to show up. The last time Harper's government brought it restrictive legislation, (it was to repeal same-sex marriages) he didn't order his MPs to vote or even attend parliament. The bill was handily defeated.
So, the short answer is you can use the code, and so can anyone else.
The caveat is that some other entity can also use it to hurt you in a court of law. Remember, it's law, not logic.
I grabbed code from a forum and used it in my code. We then shipped it out to customers. What I didn't wasn't stealing. I asked for help on a problem, and someone in a forum replied with a suggestion. I used it. Later on, when reading another forum, a different person asked for help with the same problem I had. I offered up the same solution that I was given.
Nobody stole anything from anyone. Bear in mind that free advice is often worth what you paid for it.
The place I currently work for wanted a new website. I used the NiftyCube (GiYF) template and tweaked it just a little to meet our requirements. (Yes, I know that's GPL.) That's not stealing either.
If the code has no license, that means you can use it. Technically, it also means you can put a license on it yourself and then sue the original poster. That's why licenses like the GPL were created - to prevent someone from locking down someone else's free work as their own, then suing users.
For example, if NiftyCube wasn't GPL, then any given web-code generator could put the code in their next release and sue anyone who tried to put it into their website. Or I could put a (c) on it and create a revenue stream for my company.
Yes, but if an IE flaw allows Windows Media Player to execute a DirectX DLL that runs a Visual Basic script, then it's probably Microsoft's problem.
I think most people just want to be treated like people and not consumers.
Quiet, taxpayer.
Have you read the facts on that case?
Stella Awards
That McDonalds had settled many times before. They didn't settle with her because they were expecting her to die of old age first. No plaintiff, no case.
It's because you get more XP when you convert the co-workers to your side. Didn't you play Syndicate with just the persuadatron? It's a little like that.
That's why they're looking at you funny. You're doing it wrong. It's a classic newbie mistake.
"Wow, it's actually picking up what I'm salmon."
:D lol lol"
"Wait, what?"
Well, there's my extra marks for funny. Now for the serious part:
I've taught a few people who couldn't speak how to work their voice. In one case, she would talk a little like Boomhauer from King of the Hiil. "Daddy, mumble mumble me mumble mumble juice mumble mumble counter?" Once she got used to the feedback and the system, she would fill in the mumbled parts with the correct conjunctions. Perhaps that's how the 80% is getting in there. The general idea is understandable, but the syntax is a little peculiar when it comes to the non-critical components of the sentence. Give the guy a few years to work with the implant and I'll bet that his speech will improve.
Alternatively, the scientists might all be Gen-Y text messengers who can't understand complete sentences.
"Excuse me, can you get me a phone? I would like to call my wife and tell her I can talk."
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You are quite right. I don't know how to motivate people to care about something they should care about. I don't know whose responsibility it is. Nobody seems to care about who gets to be in charge. Maybe everyone thinks that their votes don't matter, or that whoever gets in is just as bad as anyone else. (It's a false choice, of course - the real answer is supposed to be "the electorate is in charge, and they aren't just 'taxpayers'".) Beyond a complete overhaul of the US election system, I don't really see any options for you guys. You're fucked. The average American would rather see news about some random celebrity or follow a sports team than see news about what's going on in the political arena.
I think I saw a Robot Chicken sketch where they gave the election results the "American Idol" treatment to increase interest in the 18-25 market. There were overlays showing the voting records of each candidate (105-8 against gay rights, 45-2 for corporate tax decreases, etc.), 1-800 numbers to text messages to get preliminary votes, and slides showing summaries of the party platforms. It was supposed to be funny, but I wondered why nobody has tried to make the system more interesting to people who don't even write in complete sentences.
I have many windmills of my own to tilt at, most of which have nothing to do with our elections. At least up here we've got somewhat of a choice in who to vote for. Personally, I've voted against the same guy (Dr. Keith Martin, MD) for several elections. The giant douche has won every fucking time. I'm still going to vote against him next time.
It's quite refreshing to have a minority government in power. That means that every time they want to get something done, they have to compromise. The winners are usually the citizens.
Was Monday just another day off for you?
One vote does indeed make a difference. You might not think so, but the last time I checked, only 40% of Americans bothered to go out and vote last time. Do you have friends? Why not take them out voting next time? Have a voting party. Everyone goes out and votes, then you head back to your place with beer, nachos, and the TV results. People died to get you that vote. At least try to enjoy it.
Yes, I know that you're choosing between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. I've also got to choose between a bunch of clowns and some asswipes. (I'm Canadian. We have a multi-party system) If none of the choices are any good, go with the one that's the least bad. Sometimes that's the best you can hope for.
People like you are the same people who are letting a certain person run rampant in office. You're all such fucking pussies that you won't stand up to a bully and call him to task. Where are your balls, America? On Hillary? Really? That's the best you can do? Really? Nobody is standing up when your Constitution is destroyed, when the National Guard is absconded, when the Justice department is found to be corrupt, and your votes are being fucking tampered with? And not one person is willing to do a damned thing against it? Slacktivism doesn't count. GET OFF YOUR ASS.
If you think the votes are being stolen, why don't you escalate?
If that happened in Canada, I would steal an in-use voting machine on election night and reverse-engineer it. I'd report the findings to as many news agencies as I could find, knowing full well that I faced assassination or imprisonment. (Yeah, I know, Internet tough guy.) If you don't stand up for your rights and fight to defend them, people will take them away.
What fucking good is $1M if the government won't let you spend it? What about when they take $400k off the top for taxes?
I understood it a little differently:
Those who have a history of putting their country's interests ahead of their own safety and well-being were those who were deemed responsible enough to have a say in running the country. The idea was that they would continue to act (read:vote) in the best long-term interests of the country, ignoring any personal benefits.
I saw someone with a "Science" rocket once. Here's a link to dozens of takes on the "fish":
http://evolvefish.com/fish/emblems.html
I wouldn't put one on a car I owned (excuse me, Mr. Policeman, if you're Christian, can you write me a few extra tickets? I think I was speeding, and maybe my seatbelt was crooked, and my tail light is making a weird blinking when I turn the corner.) but I have to say that the Freud one made me laugh out loud.
Also, I'm pretty sure that all good science is supposed to be falsifiable. That doesn't mean it's false; it means that you can do experiments on it to attempt to disprove the theory.
You think these charges would go to court?
These charges are to put the dissenters out of business. I suppose that's better than being assassinated, but you've got to realize that most of the world does not operate the way the Western World does. If you criticize most governments, you die. We take for granted that we can say what we want about the people in charge. In reality, most people get killed. That makes martyrs, so the best bet is to discredit those who oppose you first. "Yeah, they were totally unscrupulous. Look at all the pirated software they're using. You can't believe a thing these guys say."
Look at Tienanmen Square - the Chinese murdered thousands of protesters, and now it's illegal to even mention it. I know, they aren't Russian. All the Russians do is inject you with plutonium, set off car bombs, and steal your computers. That's if you're a reporter!
The US may suck sometimes, but at least you've got a shot at a trial. Gitmo notwithstanding, of course, but imagine if reporting on Gitmo got you sent there for life.
Okay, so what was your all-time favorite bumper sticker, "Cops are wusses?"
Interestingly enough, switches used in a high-reliability environment must be positively-engaged, mechanical action type. In other words, they must go "click" and make/break a contact. Hall sensors, capacitive sensors, proximity sensors, etc, are all deemed too unreliable to work properly. This would include touch screens - they're too prone to failure.
I'm an EE. I've written some life-critical code. (As in, code failure could potentially lead to human death.) Can you promise that the code in the voting machines is done to any standards whatsoever? Is it outsourced? Do the people writing the code have security clearances? More importantly, does anyone even remotely care?
Simpler devices are always better than more complicated ones, especially when the heart of the system relies on poorly-written code running on the cheapest processor the designer could find.
It's not even my country and I appear to care more than most of you.
There's no list. I'd know.
(See my sig for details. In use since 1998)
Two points in agreement:
1. My brother bought an old dreamcast game from EB. The game cost $2. The clerk said, "Would you like play insurance for $3? I have to ask in case you're a mystery shopper." I used to work retail - the people you see are just doing what they're told to keep their job. I did work for a really nice place that said, "remember, it's not your money. It's theirs. Give them whatever they're asking for, because otherwise, they'll just call head office, and we'll give them what they were asking for in the first place."
2. I was wondering what kind of people pay for game guides when you can find:
a) better guides online
b) more entertainment value playing the game yourself.
I'm a dad. It might not have been the sweetest thing I've heard, but I definitely sub-vocalized an "awww" when I read it. I thought that either of my kids would have done the same thing.
I've said this already in this thread:
What about the people who fix the 911 systems? I interviewed for a job working for the provincial ambulance service this summer. Part of the job was to carry a cell / pager 24/7.
According to you, if I'd got that job, I should never go to the movies, go out to dinner, or even go home.
You're wrong. That's exactly what cellphones are for - getting into contact during an emergency.* What if you've got a web-enabled phone and can kill a hanged process and reboot the 911 dispatch server during the movie? Apparently, it's more important to watch Master of Disguise than let the police and ambulance use their radios.
You're awesome.
There are people who are that important. You are clearly not one of them. I am also not one of them, and I really don't want to be. I don't even OWN a cell phone.
*I know that cells won't work in an emergency (unless you really ARE that important).
Uh, gee, guys...
You're building a transmitter. How hard do you think it is to make a directional detector...
Hey, sweet, I've got a business plan. I'll see you on the front page in a few months.
Ta!
You're at the max, so no mod points from me today. Also, you came in here to say what I was going to say.
Recently, I interviewed for a tech job with the [ area ] ambulance service. Part of the job would be to carry a cell or pager in case the systems went down. Yeah, the ambulance systems. If the 911 system went down, there would be a call to come in and fix it.
I didn't get the job, but that doesn't mean the job doesn't exist. Imagine that - 911 goes down, and they can't call you for help.
The guys who use cellphones aren't any more obnoxious to me than someone having a conversation. Maybe a tad more, since you don't get to hear the other side and thus it's a little harder to block it out, but seriously, it's a guy talking. Deal with the situation like a fucking adult. You don't have the right to avoid offensive behaviour. You don't have the right to endanger lives. You don't have the right to go through life without encountering rude behaviour. It's life. DEAL WITH IT.
These jammers are irresponsible, self-righteous assholes who deserve jail time or serious fines. You don't get to just cut off all the cellphones around you. Someone's going to die if they keep up that shit.
That's what I came in here to say.
In Canada, it is legal to download music for personal use.
So, do you program in direct HEX?
Assembly?
No? Do you look at your ASM list?
Some random higher-level language that runs on a software platform that you're trusting to work?
Programs are an abstraction that let humans try to understand what the processor is probably going to see. If you think that your program is infallible because it looks right and you and your Extreme Copilot have both pored over the code, then you're the kind of person who shouldn't program.
That's just the software / firmware side.
Hardware fails all the time. You know why?
They only make mil-spec chips. High temperature tolerance, solid reliability, etc.
The ones that fail some of the tests (statistically speaking, from a batch perspective) go into the "Industrial" or "Automotive" bins.
The ones that fail those tests go into the "Consumer" (or "plain") bin.
So when you're programming, you're using code automatically written by someone else that will run on a known failed piece of hardware.
No previews for AC responses.
Well, the conversations are a little limited:
Me: "What do plants eat?"
Her: "Sunlight!"
Me: "And what's that called?"
Her: "Photosynthesis."
Also:
Me: "What shapes have three sides?"
Her: "Triangles."
Me: "And how do you study triangles?"
Her: "Trigonometry."