they don't have the skills to get a good job. And the web is not going to help them all that much there.
Are you kidding? I learned everything I know about computers from using the internet. In the '90s I went from delivering pizza to working in tech support after owning my first computer (with internet access) for only a year, and have steadily climbed from there.
From PC troubleshooting to web design to coding to *nix system and network administration, it all came from using the internet (although not just the web; usenet helped a lot too).
First, no matter what other might have you believe, "corporations" != "people".
Second, please note that we're talking about handouts to corporations, which has nothing to do with taxes, except that is your taxes and mine that contribute to paying said handouts.
Not quite. While filters may solve the problem for the end user, it doesn't solve the problem for the ISPs who have constantly throw hardware and bandwidth at their mail servers to deal with the onslaught of spam. Service providers are the bigger victims of spam; they're hit much harder than any one individual and it translates into very real costs.
You were right up until the part about DHTML, which is exactly the same thing as AJAX: A buzzword for things which already exist. What is DHTML but the combination of HTML with CSS/DOM scripting?
So tell me, why do you identify yourself as a "Latino programmer"?
Because this discussion is about exactly one thing: non-white programmers. Therefore, his referring to himself as Latino was not only appropriate, it's necessary if we're to understand the persepective he's coming from.
You're right that one shouldn't refer to oneself by ethnicity or nationality all the time, but it's entirely appropriate in a converstion about that very thing.
The person running the company should spend his/her time running a company and not reading tons of email.
Perhaps he's of the opinion that listening to his employees and actually knowing what's going on is an important part of running the company? That sheltering himself behind a secretary does not to much for the morale of the people he depends on to keep his company running?
Blogs are the same as all the other sites started years before them. The difference? Bloggers don't have the skills to set up a website themselves. They have to rely on a blog service.
On the other hand, why reinvent the wheel? Sure, I could write my own CMS, photo gallery, wiki, etc, but unless I need features that aren't commonly available, why not use one that's already written and polished with an active developer community around it (eg, Wordpress, Gallery, MediaWiki, and so on). By using an existing application I can get my site up now instead of spending my time coding a new application from the ground up when I have my life to live.
You're right that most bloggers don't have the skills necessary to code their own web applications. Most people don't and why should they? I don't work on my own car, make my own clothing, or give medical care to my cats. I let the professionals take care of it.
What does that have to do with web applications? Which OS UI guidelines should someone follow when creating an application that's completely platform-agnostic? The whole point of web applications is that the end user's platform is unimportant. As long as basic web usability guidelines are followed (the same ones that should be considered when creating any web site), this is a non-issue.
Even in LA, where traffic stinks mightily, people still drive everywhere.
That's because the public transit in LA also stinks mightily. Even the newer rail lines (the Gold line, I think, from Pasadena to what, Compton?) is only conveninent if you're coming from, or going to, somewhere right off the line. Everything else in LA is so spread out that you'll need a car at at least one end, if not both, regardless.
Left wing I'll grant you, as the right sure isn't interested in civil liberties these days. Note however, that the ACLU even stands up for the free speech rights of the far right.
Technically, the X in AJAX is XML, while the J is JavaScript, so yes AJAX is just for XML.
It's actually a bit of a misnomer. Despite its being called XmlHttpRequest, there's no reason you actually need to work with XML. You can use HTML or even plain ol' text just as well.
All this bickering back and forth doesn't change the point of the story, which is that it's a possibility. Isn't it better to be safe than sorry, especially when being safe requires so little extra effort?
Do you throw sensitive information in the trash without shredding it because it probably won't be found?
Would you drive a car that had 28 flaws in it, a large number of which were critical and could have killed you?
"Take the number of vehicles in the field, (A), and multiply it by the probable rate of failure, (B), then multiply the result by the average out-of-court settlement, (C). A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."
Sure, it's from a movie, but I've seen enough corporate corruption to not doubt that reasoning very much like this is going on.
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they don't have the skills to get a good job. And the web is not going to help them all that much there.
Are you kidding? I learned everything I know about computers from using the internet. In the '90s I went from delivering pizza to working in tech support after owning my first computer (with internet access) for only a year, and have steadily climbed from there.
From PC troubleshooting to web design to coding to *nix system and network administration, it all came from using the internet (although not just the web; usenet helped a lot too).
First, no matter what other might have you believe, "corporations" != "people".
Second, please note that we're talking about handouts to corporations, which has nothing to do with taxes, except that is your taxes and mine that contribute to paying said handouts.
... until it includes a word-processor and a newsreader.
I think you mean, until it can read mail.
Wow, I can see that paradigm shifting from here!
Aren't they missing you at the home, grandpa?
I got mine back when I left Verislime, so I'd say yes. How long it takes depends, of course, on what they did for MS.
If you don't like it, filter it. Problem solved.
Not quite. While filters may solve the problem for the end user, it doesn't solve the problem for the ISPs who have constantly throw hardware and bandwidth at their mail servers to deal with the onslaught of spam. Service providers are the bigger victims of spam; they're hit much harder than any one individual and it translates into very real costs.
You were right up until the part about DHTML, which is exactly the same thing as AJAX: A buzzword for things which already exist. What is DHTML but the combination of HTML with CSS/DOM scripting?
Feh, call me when I can run it on OS X.
So tell me, why do you identify yourself as a "Latino programmer"?
Because this discussion is about exactly one thing: non-white programmers. Therefore, his referring to himself as Latino was not only appropriate, it's necessary if we're to understand the persepective he's coming from.
You're right that one shouldn't refer to oneself by ethnicity or nationality all the time, but it's entirely appropriate in a converstion about that very thing.
The person running the company should spend his/her time running a company and not reading tons of email.
Perhaps he's of the opinion that listening to his employees and actually knowing what's going on is an important part of running the company? That sheltering himself behind a secretary does not to much for the morale of the people he depends on to keep his company running?
Alcohol: the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
The attempts at dollar coins have failed in the US because of several reasons:
* Poor design of the coins themselves (too easily mistaken for a quarter, etc). This could be fixed by following the model of the UK one pound coin
See, then you'll introduce a whole new reason to not use them. A pocket full of coins, at 16 oz each, gets real heavy real quick.
Blogs are the same as all the other sites started years before them. The difference? Bloggers don't have the skills to set up a website themselves. They have to rely on a blog service.
On the other hand, why reinvent the wheel? Sure, I could write my own CMS, photo gallery, wiki, etc, but unless I need features that aren't commonly available, why not use one that's already written and polished with an active developer community around it (eg, Wordpress, Gallery, MediaWiki, and so on). By using an existing application I can get my site up now instead of spending my time coding a new application from the ground up when I have my life to live.
You're right that most bloggers don't have the skills necessary to code their own web applications. Most people don't and why should they? I don't work on my own car, make my own clothing, or give medical care to my cats. I let the professionals take care of it.
I'm convinced that when the robots rise up and throw off the yoke of human enslavement, this new awareness will have originated at Google.
We've got Google Earth, how about Google Sky(net)?
What does that have to do with web applications? Which OS UI guidelines should someone follow when creating an application that's completely platform-agnostic? The whole point of web applications is that the end user's platform is unimportant. As long as basic web usability guidelines are followed (the same ones that should be considered when creating any web site), this is a non-issue.
It wasn't profitable, the company wouldn't fucking do it.
So as long as you make money doing it, who cares how many people you annoy? Great attitude, asshole.
Even in LA, where traffic stinks mightily, people still drive everywhere.
That's because the public transit in LA also stinks mightily. Even the newer rail lines (the Gold line, I think, from Pasadena to what, Compton?) is only conveninent if you're coming from, or going to, somewhere right off the line. Everything else in LA is so spread out that you'll need a car at at least one end, if not both, regardless.
Free speech is a Good Thing.
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Always
Communist,
Left-wing, and
Un-American
I can't even tell if you're being ironic here.
Left wing I'll grant you, as the right sure isn't interested in civil liberties these days. Note however, that the ACLU even stands up for the free speech rights of the far right.
Technically, the X in AJAX is XML, while the J is JavaScript, so yes AJAX is just for XML.
It's actually a bit of a misnomer. Despite its being called XmlHttpRequest, there's no reason you actually need to work with XML. You can use HTML or even plain ol' text just as well.
Welcome to junior high school.
I'm guessing you're probably used to sites looking like shit then, right?
Seriously, why?
ITYM "uid 0".
HTH!
All this bickering back and forth doesn't change the point of the story, which is that it's a possibility. Isn't it better to be safe than sorry, especially when being safe requires so little extra effort?
Do you throw sensitive information in the trash without shredding it because it probably won't be found?
Would you drive a car that had 28 flaws in it, a large number of which were critical and could have killed you?
"Take the number of vehicles in the field, (A), and multiply it by the probable rate of failure, (B), then multiply the result by the average out-of-court settlement, (C). A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."
Sure, it's from a movie, but I've seen enough corporate corruption to not doubt that reasoning very much like this is going on.