I agree with you indeed... and listening to the show made me very annoyed as it always seems to when I listen to these 'radio' shows hosted by those in our 'nerdy/geeky' fraternity... they miss opportunities to really point out the problems in these people's arguments... on listening to the whole thing (yeah, all 1 and a half hours of it) I'm left thinking that they really went into it underprepared... and that sucks... they run this show, they go to the effort to get to talk to this guy and then, by the end of it, you're kinda left thinking that they lost and that he had answers for all of it... yet you know he has it wrong, but he has all these stats and studies and such, and they had nothing...
*sigh* We're left with them constantly going 'Ok... I'll give you that' or otherwise being talked down by him... I'm left with the thought that he is nowhere near as nutty as I got the impression he might be... He makes some valid points... in fact I'm 100% all for the ratings of computer games to be enforced (they kinda are here in Australia, but we don't have an adult rating, so if a games gets that... well, no-one can buy it)... there's no faulting that logic. I'd have to also say that there's something a bit off about having a game devoted to bullying... but hey, that's based on three screenshots, and I believe in giving a game a fair go before condemning it on that little info.
He is very fond of using the term 'Murder simluators' and 'murder training tools' etc... uh huh... as that's what they are.
(This is not aimed at you parent poster, just a convienient place to make my statement...)
Of course they were, however it does give me the shits when people do this kind of thing... saying things like "Well, it made plenty", "It obviously didn't harm them any"... it's not the point. It is wrong to do it... it's wrong to grab a copy of a film and watch it without giving those who made it any money...
It's wrong... stop trying to pretend people have the right to free movies and free music... they don't... unless the creator of the piece is doing it for free.
And don't claim the ridiculous "Well the movie studios take far too much money, the creators themselves never get enough" shit... by not paying at all for the works, how are you helping? "They don't get quite enough, so I will make sure they get nothing".
I mean... grow up... admit that what you're doing is wrong. I do... I know that when I download movies and music I am not entitled to them at all... I also do it mostly at present due to a few basic reasons:
* - I download things I can't see here in Australia any other way (Rockstar INXS and Live8 come to mind as two things that were on pay tv and not really available to free to air... yet I refuse to pay for 15 channels or whatever the minimum amount you can sign up for is when I only want, like, 5 of them) * - I download movies I have not been able to see at the cinema due to currently having 2 small kids and a lack of available baby sitters (yeah, yeah, cue the violins). In ALL cases, when I find I like the movie I've gone out and bought it on DVD... I don't buy DVDs without seeing the movie first, even if I'm pretty certain I'll like it... can't afford to buy crap movies... * - I download music tracks other than those released as singles to work out whether the album as a whole is worth buying.
Now... I try to justify myself somewhat with all those 'excuses', but at no time do I delude myself or try to insinuate that I am due these things, or that I have a right to download them, or that it isn't wrong.
I do think that the penalties they hand out are WAY too harsh... jail terms for these sorts of crimes outweigh those for violent crimes etc. and that's just plain, frigging wrong... but that doesn't make the act of doing this any more right. It just makes the MPAA more wrong.
Way to use skewed figures... We're talking the entire installed base of PCs, Macs, handhelds etc... and when you look at the infections of PCs and the damage they've created compared to the damage by false positives by virus programs across the ENTIRE collection of all platforms, I think you'll find that viruses still win in the damage stakes.
more people have lost data due to false positives from antivirus software on these platforms than have lost data to actual viruses...
Now, I'm not calling you a lier... ok, maybe a little bit... but could you back that statement up with any sort of actual data? I'd be interested in reading it if you can.
I do find that funny... can't get it to work in WMP10 in IE on XP, but you can get it to run in Linux...
That's funny.:)
It sucks for me, but it's funny.
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"They feel they've been raped."
So they a) either have no f*cking idea what that's like b) are prone to serious exaggeration or c)You're making it up and are one of those people that think 'George Lucas raped your childhood'.
Come on, calm down a tad... I use Windows and MS products as well as a lot of OS (Eclipse, Laszlo, PHP etc. etc. ) products every day and really.. I'm not fuming, I'm not frothing... I really am quite happily getting along with my work... and so are all my colleages... and those in the companies we do work in... and everyone else I know.
I agree with the licensing schemes, they are a load of absolute confusing and archaic crud... but the software (which is what we're talking about) is working fine for us all here thanks very much.
OK, so I was quite 'Eh' about it before... but man, that's really thinking outside of the box in regards to controllers... initially looking at it and thinking "Erm, that looks like a remote control, how uncomfortable", but then, reading that you move it around to control things... now THAT'S cool... and having plug in extras on flexible cords meaning it's perfect for righties and lefties... oh how very, very, very... wait... yep, very cool!
Bring it on please... come on, bring it on, over here.
I mean, I completely agree with this... I already may have a media centre pc, but it uses more power than an xbox would, is noisier than an xbox is, doesn't look as nice as an xbox...(hey, I did paint it black, but still) and, well, just isn't as cool as having a silent xbox sitting and being a media centre.
Oooh, Shareaza has a new version... must download.:)
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Has anyone got a recompressed, or lower res version of this video? I can't stream it, and I'll be buggered if I'm going to download 917Meg for one hour of video... man, I downlo... erm, I mean I 'recompress and store my own, legal copies of' movies that come in less than a CD in size, and they look almost identical to DVD quality, why is this so DARN BIG?
Firstly: Direct download. "Cool!" Says I, preferring to download my videos so I can watch them repeatedly and without skipping... "Holy mother of all things sacred! 917Meg! WTF! I thought MS was all hoity toity about their video compression in series 9 WMV"
Secondly: "OK, I'll stream it"... nope, windows media player encountered an error... "Geeeze"!
I didn't know about the close feature, very cool... the open feature however nice, does give me the shits sometimes as I accidentely click the scrollwheel when I'm scrolling and get a darn new tab...
Is it just me, or can no-one else find any useful log output from IIS? In Apache when PHP coding just check the log file for all the debugging info you could need... in IIS... nowhere to be seen...
You really never have held a managerial position, or considered this at all.
Just because this is superior is no reason to replace a hugely successful product. Most, heck pretty much all, companies would say "Sure, go ahead, WORK on the next gen one, and we'll look to think about releasing it when the current hot model starts to loose some sales fizz".
Most companies would never do this. Why would you? Why would you invest all the money to tool up and build these things on mass while you've got a product you spent heaps of money on out there recouping its development costs and reaping a tidy profit? Why would you? You wait until you can see you can make more money with the new product.
Now... this is where Apple is being different... they are looking at the iPod Nano and thinking "You know what, this is going to be even bigger than the iPod and the Mini, probably combined. It's just too sweet a thing to wait on... let's go for it, let's release it now"
I'm no Mac fanboy by any stretch, don't own any Apple hardware at all, but I can see this as a pretty bold move... and one that will pay handsomly.
Bring out this before the competition has really had a chance to combat the mini... that's pretty darn smart.
I also bought a second hand computer, from an auction from a company that had gone into receivership, I got it home, turned it on, it wouldn't boot... I fiddled with the internals a bit and low and behold it booted and came up into Windows XP... well, I don't know the passwords, so I then just boot of a Knoppix Live CD and have free reign to look over the entire hard drive, of what turned out to be a PA's computer, complete with photos of the vehicle parts machine plants they were building right up until they went under...
The saddest part was looking through the 'Recent Documents' list.
Letter x, letter y for boss, travel iteneries etc... then... typing tests... job guides, and finally the resume...
So sad... I wiped it good and proper before I gave it to who it was intended.
Flash itself is fine and dandy, and allows a lot of functionality within a browser that wouldn't otherwise be there.
It's platform independant and allows us (ie. who I'm working for) to code a very nice application that can be distributed within companies with no extra software needing to be installed on their pcs.
Bad uses of nice software does not bad software make.
Well, I've entered my name and my kids, but guess what? Our certificates look ridiculous as they have escaping slashes on the apostrophes in our surnames, so instead of O'Connor, it's O///'Connor (yes, not one, not two, but three slashes!)
Man... you'd think this wouldn't be a problem anymore!
I think the biggest thing that most of us are going 'huh?' about is... well, what does doing this actually give you? What is the point? The site doesn't help anything, it doesn't explain things well either...
The question is: What will doing this give me that the $20 pice of kit won't out of the box?
I was wrong to make that the main point of my wife's argument... the point is, it was a product of its time, not any other time, so it wasn't ahead of its time, it was a product of the very time it was created, as that's when it was made.
This product would not have done better if released later, the Newton wouldn't have either, if coupled with exactly the same set of marketing, sales etc. as it originally was.
These things are far more to do with marketing and appearance than most would like to believe... a good product rarely can stand and succeed purely on that, it needs the backing of a marketing campaign and public opinion that the company behind it will still be around to support it. (Or it's the sort of product that they don't care if it will)
"Product so far ahead of its time" As my wife loves to say, it can't be ahead of it's time, as it's time is when it existed (ok, she says it better). This 'Ahead of its time' stuff is bullcrap... it's not as if, were this released a couple of years later it would do well... it wouldn't.
Did you buy one?
Did anyone you know buy one?
I'd never heard of the damn thing... the graphics on the website look crap, and the software list (for the game side, not the palm side), well... how many games were available?
It's not the market's fault... it's the marketing team, or the business developers, or just the entire team as a whole creating a product that either not enough people wanted, was too expensive to make, was not known about by enough people etc. etc. etc.
The market hardly wants to get a gaming system that they've never heard of from a company they've never heard of, exactly for this reason, they didn't want to be left out in the cold with no company to support their product and no software.
I also hate it when I'm reading a headline that has been through an editor and still has horrendous English like "The amount of new features in this version is astounding."
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I agree with you indeed... and listening to the show made me very annoyed as it always seems to when I listen to these 'radio' shows hosted by those in our 'nerdy/geeky' fraternity... they miss opportunities to really point out the problems in these people's arguments... on listening to the whole thing (yeah, all 1 and a half hours of it) I'm left thinking that they really went into it underprepared... and that sucks... they run this show, they go to the effort to get to talk to this guy and then, by the end of it, you're kinda left thinking that they lost and that he had answers for all of it... yet you know he has it wrong, but he has all these stats and studies and such, and they had nothing...
*sigh* We're left with them constantly going 'Ok... I'll give you that' or otherwise being talked down by him... I'm left with the thought that he is nowhere near as nutty as I got the impression he might be... He makes some valid points... in fact I'm 100% all for the ratings of computer games to be enforced (they kinda are here in Australia, but we don't have an adult rating, so if a games gets that... well, no-one can buy it)... there's no faulting that logic. I'd have to also say that there's something a bit off about having a game devoted to bullying... but hey, that's based on three screenshots, and I believe in giving a game a fair go before condemning it on that little info.
He is very fond of using the term 'Murder simluators' and 'murder training tools' etc... uh huh... as that's what they are.
(This is not aimed at you parent poster, just a convienient place to make my statement...)
Of course they were, however it does give me the shits when people do this kind of thing... saying things like "Well, it made plenty", "It obviously didn't harm them any"... it's not the point. It is wrong to do it... it's wrong to grab a copy of a film and watch it without giving those who made it any money...
It's wrong... stop trying to pretend people have the right to free movies and free music... they don't... unless the creator of the piece is doing it for free.
And don't claim the ridiculous "Well the movie studios take far too much money, the creators themselves never get enough" shit... by not paying at all for the works, how are you helping? "They don't get quite enough, so I will make sure they get nothing".
I mean... grow up... admit that what you're doing is wrong. I do... I know that when I download movies and music I am not entitled to them at all... I also do it mostly at present due to a few basic reasons:
* - I download things I can't see here in Australia any other way (Rockstar INXS and Live8 come to mind as two things that were on pay tv and not really available to free to air... yet I refuse to pay for 15 channels or whatever the minimum amount you can sign up for is when I only want, like, 5 of them)
* - I download movies I have not been able to see at the cinema due to currently having 2 small kids and a lack of available baby sitters (yeah, yeah, cue the violins). In ALL cases, when I find I like the movie I've gone out and bought it on DVD... I don't buy DVDs without seeing the movie first, even if I'm pretty certain I'll like it... can't afford to buy crap movies...
* - I download music tracks other than those released as singles to work out whether the album as a whole is worth buying.
Now... I try to justify myself somewhat with all those 'excuses', but at no time do I delude myself or try to insinuate that I am due these things, or that I have a right to download them, or that it isn't wrong.
I do think that the penalties they hand out are WAY too harsh... jail terms for these sorts of crimes outweigh those for violent crimes etc. and that's just plain, frigging wrong... but that doesn't make the act of doing this any more right. It just makes the MPAA more wrong.
Way to use skewed figures... We're talking the entire installed base of PCs, Macs, handhelds etc... and when you look at the infections of PCs and the damage they've created compared to the damage by false positives by virus programs across the ENTIRE collection of all platforms, I think you'll find that viruses still win in the damage stakes.
more people have lost data due to false positives from antivirus software on these platforms than have lost data to actual viruses...
Now, I'm not calling you a lier... ok, maybe a little bit... but could you back that statement up with any sort of actual data? I'd be interested in reading it if you can.
I do find that funny... can't get it to work in WMP10 in IE on XP, but you can get it to run in Linux...
:)
That's funny.
It sucks for me, but it's funny.
"They feel they've been raped."
So they
a) either have no f*cking idea what that's like
b) are prone to serious exaggeration
or
c)You're making it up and are one of those people that think 'George Lucas raped your childhood'.
Come on, calm down a tad... I use Windows and MS products as well as a lot of OS (Eclipse, Laszlo, PHP etc. etc. ) products every day and really.. I'm not fuming, I'm not frothing... I really am quite happily getting along with my work... and so are all my colleages... and those in the companies we do work in... and everyone else I know.
I agree with the licensing schemes, they are a load of absolute confusing and archaic crud... but the software (which is what we're talking about) is working fine for us all here thanks very much.
OK, so I was quite 'Eh' about it before... but man, that's really thinking outside of the box in regards to controllers... initially looking at it and thinking "Erm, that looks like a remote control, how uncomfortable", but then, reading that you move it around to control things... now THAT'S cool... and having plug in extras on flexible cords meaning it's perfect for righties and lefties... oh how very, very, very... wait... yep, very cool!
Bring it on please... come on, bring it on, over here.
But, what about PHP, which is what I code in, not ASP? And gee, you're so polite with your answers...
I'm happy for you, but using both IE and Firefox I cannot stream it, neither inline or by 'launching in external player'. :(
I mean, I completely agree with this... I already may have a media centre pc, but it uses more power than an xbox would, is noisier than an xbox is, doesn't look as nice as an xbox...(hey, I did paint it black, but still) and, well, just isn't as cool as having a silent xbox sitting and being a media centre.
:)
But can it be my Shareaza download box as well?
Oooh, Shareaza has a new version... must download.
Has anyone got a recompressed, or lower res version of this video? I can't stream it, and I'll be buggered if I'm going to download 917Meg for one hour of video... man, I downlo... erm, I mean I 'recompress and store my own, legal copies of' movies that come in less than a CD in size, and they look almost identical to DVD quality, why is this so DARN BIG?
Firstly: Direct download. "Cool!" Says I, preferring to download my videos so I can watch them repeatedly and without skipping... "Holy mother of all things sacred! 917Meg! WTF! I thought MS was all hoity toity about their video compression in series 9 WMV"
Secondly: "OK, I'll stream it"... nope, windows media player encountered an error... "Geeeze"!
I didn't know about the close feature, very cool... the open feature however nice, does give me the shits sometimes as I accidentely click the scrollwheel when I'm scrolling and get a darn new tab...
Nice closing thing though... me likey.
Is it just me, or can no-one else find any useful log output from IIS? In Apache when PHP coding just check the log file for all the debugging info you could need... in IIS... nowhere to be seen...
Is it just me or does the IIS logging suck?
You really never have held a managerial position, or considered this at all.
Just because this is superior is no reason to replace a hugely successful product. Most, heck pretty much all, companies would say "Sure, go ahead, WORK on the next gen one, and we'll look to think about releasing it when the current hot model starts to loose some sales fizz".
Most companies would never do this. Why would you? Why would you invest all the money to tool up and build these things on mass while you've got a product you spent heaps of money on out there recouping its development costs and reaping a tidy profit? Why would you? You wait until you can see you can make more money with the new product.
Now... this is where Apple is being different... they are looking at the iPod Nano and thinking "You know what, this is going to be even bigger than the iPod and the Mini, probably combined. It's just too sweet a thing to wait on... let's go for it, let's release it now"
I'm no Mac fanboy by any stretch, don't own any Apple hardware at all, but I can see this as a pretty bold move... and one that will pay handsomly.
Bring out this before the competition has really had a chance to combat the mini... that's pretty darn smart.
I also bought a second hand computer, from an auction from a company that had gone into receivership, I got it home, turned it on, it wouldn't boot... I fiddled with the internals a bit and low and behold it booted and came up into Windows XP... well, I don't know the passwords, so I then just boot of a Knoppix Live CD and have free reign to look over the entire hard drive, of what turned out to be a PA's computer, complete with photos of the vehicle parts machine plants they were building right up until they went under...
The saddest part was looking through the 'Recent Documents' list.
Letter x, letter y for boss, travel iteneries etc... then... typing tests... job guides, and finally the resume...
So sad... I wiped it good and proper before I gave it to who it was intended.
To which you buy NONE of them!
It's not like you're being forced into buying a damn games console for god's sake...
Just wanted to point out that the way I wrote that line you corrected was intentional, it's really poorly paraphrasing :
One swallow doth not a summer make
- Percy Dovetonsils
I was being a smarty fart.
it's the poor usage of it that can indeed suck.
Flash itself is fine and dandy, and allows a lot of functionality within a browser that wouldn't otherwise be there.
It's platform independant and allows us (ie. who I'm working for) to code a very nice application that can be distributed within companies with no extra software needing to be installed on their pcs.
Bad uses of nice software does not bad software make.
Hey thanks for that, it does too... something nice to save for the kids. :D
Well, I've entered my name and my kids, but guess what? Our certificates look ridiculous as they have escaping slashes on the apostrophes in our surnames, so instead of O'Connor, it's O///'Connor (yes, not one, not two, but three slashes!)
Man... you'd think this wouldn't be a problem anymore!
I think the biggest thing that most of us are going 'huh?' about is... well, what does doing this actually give you? What is the point? The site doesn't help anything, it doesn't explain things well either...
The question is: What will doing this give me that the $20 pice of kit won't out of the box?
I was wrong to make that the main point of my wife's argument... the point is, it was a product of its time, not any other time, so it wasn't ahead of its time, it was a product of the very time it was created, as that's when it was made.
This product would not have done better if released later, the Newton wouldn't have either, if coupled with exactly the same set of marketing, sales etc. as it originally was.
These things are far more to do with marketing and appearance than most would like to believe... a good product rarely can stand and succeed purely on that, it needs the backing of a marketing campaign and public opinion that the company behind it will still be around to support it. (Or it's the sort of product that they don't care if it will)
"Product so far ahead of its time"
As my wife loves to say, it can't be ahead of it's time, as it's time is when it existed (ok, she says it better). This 'Ahead of its time' stuff is bullcrap... it's not as if, were this released a couple of years later it would do well... it wouldn't.
Did you buy one?
Did anyone you know buy one?
I'd never heard of the damn thing... the graphics on the website look crap, and the software list (for the game side, not the palm side), well... how many games were available?
It's not the market's fault... it's the marketing team, or the business developers, or just the entire team as a whole creating a product that either not enough people wanted, was too expensive to make, was not known about by enough people etc. etc. etc.
The market hardly wants to get a gaming system that they've never heard of from a company they've never heard of, exactly for this reason, they didn't want to be left out in the cold with no company to support their product and no software.
I also hate it when I'm reading a headline that has been through an editor and still has horrendous English like "The amount of new features in this version is astounding."
Plural people! Plural!