Apple(tm) is about to capitalize on the hard work of thousands of us BSD hackers around the world and, yes, can keep the code closed forever... but they'll make millions doing so. Hooray for BSD! And Hooray for Apple shareholders! You GPL losers with your "always open source" crap can eat our dust! We're the ones people are making money off of! Mwahaha!
Grow up and use brain pills.
The BSD code still is open source. And Apple has made a lot of contribution over the years into BSD. And the BSD/Mach kernel work is all open sourced and available. It's called Darwin.
And dont fscking talk about Apple capitalising on BSD hacker work. What the hell has Red Hat, SUSE, Corel and every dang Linux distro companies do, ya think?
What Apple will sell is all the additions on top of BSD they did (Quartz, Mac OS 9 compatibility, FireWire, Cocoa, AirPort etc etc).
What Corel sell in their Linux distro is their easy installer. Wipee!
He mentions that a key point is that the technique of reverse engineering was completely cleared, opening the door to creating PS2, Dreamcast, and even X-Box emulators in the future (once PC hardware speeds are capable of it).
Linux is FREE!! It's free because you have FREEdom! It's free because you have the right do with it as you please. You can modify it, install it on as many machines as you like and you can even distribute it so long as you don't limit the buyers from exercising those same liberties.
That's not the "free" I was talking about. I was refering to the money involved in getting your hands on it, and the cost of operating it.
Mind you (and the other replies to my original post), I do know about the "freedom" (versus "costlessness") of Linux, and is the reason I'm interested in it (in some way). Being on Slashdot every day does show some kind of interest (well, that and Star Wars).
The company I work for recently announced a Linux port of our calendaring server. A Motif-based client is on it's way (while one already exists for HP/UX and Slowlaris). Interest in Linux is only starting in the corporate environement. Quite frankly, if we have a port of our stuff right now, it's only because universities have asked for it for a long time. Few corporations have asked for it.
From what I gatter, they're just not ready to redeploy on a different OS. That doesn't make them "cheap". Most of our clients are fortune 500 companies. That means, BIG businesses--we have millions of licenses around the world (heck, we built Netscape Calendar, and HP's OpenTime, as well as our own offering).
Those companies are just not yet interesting in shelving out the training costs and moving costs to another platform, even if the distro costs 1000$ less than what they're currently using (and that would be NT... puke puke).
That's cost of Linux I was refering about.
It's the same story about the Mac OS X Server (Darwin) port I've been trying to push for. Few companies out there are asking for it for the same reason--they're just not interested in redeploying to another platform. It's not because we couldn't do it (we already have BSD ports, and PowerPC ports on AIX).
If those companies dont care about saving $1000 (in the case of NT -> Linux) or $500 (MOSXS -> Linux), then they're not going to care about sending someone there just to to document, or be convinced.
I think it's important to remember that Linux, in theory, is free. I say in theory because you still have to pay for the distribution CD, or the download time. (Which, in my opinion, makes this whole free thing a load of BS--Linux is just a VERY afordable server OS).
So, now, let's try to analyse this; of all the companies out there that are not willing to shelve out money for an OS, and would ratter use Linux for it's price point, how many of them are willing to send a delegation to a Linux expo, that'll cost 'em money (travel fare, hotel and other expenses)?
This is a factor I think will hinder every Linux expo there might be. Some will be more successfull, but maybe only because they target certain fields like internet hosting, while keeping their size appropriate for the given target.
I managed to get the QuickTime. The printers are not syncronisez. They play pre-programmed sequences, and you see a bunch of... nerdy musicians (?)... running around activating about a dozen different machines.
Actually, the G3 is a PowerPC 750. G3, and G4, just like Velocity Engine are just marketroid names Apple made up to be a little more consumer-friendly. The respective real names are PowerPC 740, PowerPC 750 and AltiVec.
It was a iMac DV Special Edition (like the one I have).
The photos I saw were prints, at a trade show. So I dont have ditigal images or links to point to (I would have put them in, otherwise, if not only for karma reasons).
The aquarium portion had a couple of tubes comming out of the side of the iMac for water filtering and bubling. There were barbles in the bottom, instead of rocks. This allowed "some" view of the underlying machine.
I guess anyone with the guts and plexiglass could do it. I sure wont try before my warantee is over (and even then... maybe just a hamster cage).
I've seen photos of a plastic molding company's receptionist's iMac which they transformed to fill it's inner cavity (the clear space above the monitor tube) with a live tropical aquarium.
The iMac's natural warmth keeps the water temperature at adequate level for the fish (1). The iMac's handle was detatched to provide access to the tank for servicing.
The company uses it to prove a point: bring 'em a design, and they can mold it.
They also refuse to sell kits, to preserve the uniqueness of the machine.
Most recent sci-fi films, animated or otherwise, including the Mother Movie (Star Wars) construct their films around the premise that in the future there is a technologically advanced, demonic alien culture out there which has ravaged our planet;
We haven't seen the same Star Wars, I think.
Star Wars is set in the past. In some other galaxy. Doesn't involve our planet, and the bad ass evil dude is a humanoid, not a nasty green-eyed bug alien. (Compare Aliens, Starship Troopers etc).
Just 3 weeks ago, I bought an Apple//c, complete with original manuals, ImageWriter printer, mouse and monitor. All for 25$ CDN!
It's right here at the office next to me. This thing has attracted more people than anything in recent months. I brought back some old floppies I had in a box somewhere at home. They work just fine. The system boots in 6 seconds flat! Try that today.
In 5 lines of code (including a comment), I wrote a BASIC program that prints the floppy's content to the printer:
When invoked from the launcher application called "HELLO" (common to DOS 3.3 in those days), it prints the content of the floppy and returns. In about 4 seconds.
The project I'm working on as a wee bit more than 2 million lines of code. I miss simplicity.
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One of the first laptops spaceshuttle astronauts brought in space were Apple PowerBook, because at the time, they were the only portables that had a built-in trackball, whereas PCs still had those stupid clip-on trackballs with dangling wires.
Those were not PowerPC chips, though. They were off-the-shelf 68K machines with no special shielding or drives. On launch and landing, the machines were simply turned off and their hard drives parked.
Speaking of which, possible uses for this include alarm systems that trigger when certain odors (like the odor added to gas) are detected or warning lights in car when odors like burning oil are detected.
It's ratter silly to require an expensive appartus like an electronic nose to smell for gaz and oil leaks when all you really need is a match.
[...]Judge Rakoff explained his ruling on MP3.com. According to him, MP3.com was "simply repackaging" the recordings, adding nothing, and therefore unable to claim fair use.
I dont think this alone is an adequate explanation to the ruling. Else, it would be trivial (and legal) to simply "add" a sine wave to the sound file, under pretext of "adding a checksun for better sound quality and reproduction" and having the player software substract this sine wave while playing.
...to create enough documents so that all that extra bits of info M$ is grabbing off your disk in Word files, which would include their kerberos source modifications, ends up being send along the bogus documents via email attachments.
Reassemble everything, and you have sources that were published by MicroSoft's own incompetence in a way they can't blame you.
To me I see no difference between Scientologists and Satanists. They are both whacked out extremists that will do anything to make someone beleive whatever garbage they themselves have been brainwashed by.
Just like your average Linux user.
I've been able to avoid that. I use Macs.
(If you can't see the humour in this, dont bother replying...)
Besides, Quartz is not something that comes out from NeXT.
NeXT used a Display Postscipt engine. Quartz uses a PDF-based engine which lies on top of what is internally dubbed "Extended Quickdraw". This is all Apple stuff.
It's not like the info isn't out there folks. Dig it up, before you speak up.
Now if Darwin is the core of OSX, is OSX cross-platform? I haven't heard anything about that... Anyone know anything?
It's already been reported that OS X for Intel has been circulating within Apple. However, I wouldn't count on a release anytime soon. But, in line with this, Apple is apparently in talks with Intel box manufacturers.
Hrm... how about slapping BeOS' Tracker and Deskbar on top of Apple's Darwin? The result: complete GUI OS that's X11-free (for those who care), fat-linked for Intel & PPC hardware. That would be interesting.
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Apple(tm) is about to capitalize on the hard work of thousands of us BSD hackers around the world and, yes, can keep the code closed forever ... but they'll make millions doing so. Hooray for BSD! And Hooray for Apple shareholders! You GPL losers with your "always open source" crap can eat our dust! We're the ones people are making money off of! Mwahaha!
Grow up and use brain pills.
The BSD code still is open source. And Apple has made a lot of contribution over the years into BSD. And the BSD/Mach kernel work is all open sourced and available. It's called Darwin.
And dont fscking talk about Apple capitalising on BSD hacker work. What the hell has Red Hat, SUSE, Corel and every dang Linux distro companies do, ya think?
What Apple will sell is all the additions on top of BSD they did (Quartz, Mac OS 9 compatibility, FireWire, Cocoa, AirPort etc etc).
What Corel sell in their Linux distro is their easy installer. Wipee!
Moderate me down, and the original poster.
He mentions that a key point is that the technique of reverse engineering was completely cleared, opening the door to creating PS2, Dreamcast, and even X-Box emulators in the future (once PC hardware speeds are capable of it).
So, what does that do to DVD protection scheme?
Linux is FREE!! It's free because you have FREEdom! It's free because you have the right do with it as you please. You can modify it, install it on as many machines as you like and you can even distribute it so long as you don't limit the buyers from exercising those same liberties.
That's not the "free" I was talking about. I was refering to the money involved in getting your hands on it, and the cost of operating it.
Mind you (and the other replies to my original post), I do know about the "freedom" (versus "costlessness") of Linux, and is the reason I'm interested in it (in some way). Being on Slashdot every day does show some kind of interest (well, that and Star Wars).
The company I work for recently announced a Linux port of our calendaring server. A Motif-based client is on it's way (while one already exists for HP/UX and Slowlaris). Interest in Linux is only starting in the corporate environement. Quite frankly, if we have a port of our stuff right now, it's only because universities have asked for it for a long time. Few corporations have asked for it.
From what I gatter, they're just not ready to redeploy on a different OS. That doesn't make them "cheap". Most of our clients are fortune 500 companies. That means, BIG businesses--we have millions of licenses around the world (heck, we built Netscape Calendar, and HP's OpenTime, as well as our own offering).
Those companies are just not yet interesting in shelving out the training costs and moving costs to another platform, even if the distro costs 1000$ less than what they're currently using (and that would be NT... puke puke).
That's cost of Linux I was refering about.
It's the same story about the Mac OS X Server (Darwin) port I've been trying to push for. Few companies out there are asking for it for the same reason--they're just not interested in redeploying to another platform. It's not because we couldn't do it (we already have BSD ports, and PowerPC ports on AIX).
If those companies dont care about saving $1000 (in the case of NT -> Linux) or $500 (MOSXS -> Linux), then they're not going to care about sending someone there just to to document, or be convinced.
I think it's important to remember that Linux, in theory, is free. I say in theory because you still have to pay for the distribution CD, or the download time. (Which, in my opinion, makes this whole free thing a load of BS--Linux is just a VERY afordable server OS).
So, now, let's try to analyse this; of all the companies out there that are not willing to shelve out money for an OS, and would ratter use Linux for it's price point, how many of them are willing to send a delegation to a Linux expo, that'll cost 'em money (travel fare, hotel and other expenses)?
This is a factor I think will hinder every Linux expo there might be. Some will be more successfull, but maybe only because they target certain fields like internet hosting, while keeping their size appropriate for the given target.
It's our time now. You messed up big times too many times in the past.
Why can't I grow a new thumb, while measly reptiles can?
From now on, we will evolve ourselves. We will reshape ourselves. We will cure ourselves and we will exterminate ourselves, by our own means.
I managed to get the QuickTime. The printers are not syncronisez. They play pre-programmed sequences, and you see a bunch of ... nerdy musicians (?) ... running around activating about a dozen different machines.
It's noteworthy to mention that this 2nd symphony was commissioned by the Daniel Langlois Foundation.
Doen't ring a bell? How about Softimage?
The Foundation has manu objectives.
If my memory serves, a PowerPC 750 is a G3.
Actually, the G3 is a PowerPC 750. G3, and G4, just like Velocity Engine are just marketroid names Apple made up to be a little more consumer-friendly. The respective real names are PowerPC 740, PowerPC 750 and AltiVec.
It was a iMac DV Special Edition (like the one I have).
The photos I saw were prints, at a trade show. So I dont have ditigal images or links to point to (I would have put them in, otherwise, if not only for karma reasons).
The aquarium portion had a couple of tubes comming out of the side of the iMac for water filtering and bubling. There were barbles in the bottom, instead of rocks. This allowed "some" view of the underlying machine.
I guess anyone with the guts and plexiglass could do it. I sure wont try before my warantee is over (and even then... maybe just a hamster cage).
I've seen photos of a plastic molding company's receptionist's iMac which they transformed to fill it's inner cavity (the clear space above the monitor tube) with a live tropical aquarium.
The iMac's natural warmth keeps the water temperature at adequate level for the fish (1). The iMac's handle was detatched to provide access to the tank for servicing.
The company uses it to prove a point: bring 'em a design, and they can mold it.
They also refuse to sell kits, to preserve the uniqueness of the machine.
Most recent sci-fi films, animated or otherwise, including the Mother Movie (Star Wars) construct their films around the premise that in the future there is a technologically advanced, demonic alien culture out there which has ravaged our planet;
We haven't seen the same Star Wars, I think.
Star Wars is set in the past. In some other galaxy. Doesn't involve our planet, and the bad ass evil dude is a humanoid, not a nasty green-eyed bug alien. (Compare Aliens, Starship Troopers etc).
Just 3 weeks ago, I bought an Apple //c, complete with original manuals, ImageWriter printer, mouse and monitor. All for 25$ CDN!
It's right here at the office next to me. This thing has attracted more people than anything in recent months. I brought back some old floppies I had in a box somewhere at home. They work just fine. The system boots in 6 seconds flat! Try that today.
In 5 lines of code (including a comment), I wrote a BASIC program that prints the floppy's content to the printer:
10 REM COPYLEFT 2000 MARTIN-GILLES LAVOIE!
20 PRINT CHR$(4) "PR#1"
30 PRINT CHR$(4) "CATALOG"
40 PRINT CHR$(4) "PR#3"
50 PRINT CHR$(4) "RUN HELLO"
When invoked from the launcher application called "HELLO" (common to DOS 3.3 in those days), it prints the content of the floppy and returns. In about 4 seconds.
The project I'm working on as a wee bit more than 2 million lines of code. I miss simplicity.
One of the first laptops spaceshuttle astronauts brought in space were Apple PowerBook, because at the time, they were the only portables that had a built-in trackball, whereas PCs still had those stupid clip-on trackballs with dangling wires.
Those were not PowerPC chips, though. They were off-the-shelf 68K machines with no special shielding or drives. On launch and landing, the machines were simply turned off and their hard drives parked.
You mean the E-word phenomenon?
We're about to require escaping any word that legitimatly starts with 'e', like
\electronic
Speaking of which, possible uses for this include alarm systems that trigger when certain odors (like the odor added to gas) are detected or warning lights in car when odors like burning oil are detected.
It's ratter silly to require an expensive appartus like an electronic nose to smell for gaz and oil leaks when all you really need is a match.
[...]Judge Rakoff explained his ruling on MP3.com. According to him, MP3.com was "simply repackaging" the recordings, adding nothing, and therefore unable to claim fair use.
I dont think this alone is an adequate explanation to the ruling. Else, it would be trivial (and legal) to simply "add" a sine wave to the sound file, under pretext of "adding a checksun for better sound quality and reproduction" and having the player software substract this sine wave while playing.
[...]let's say that courts judge mp3 as being an illegal file format and it must cease to exist. Can they really make that happen?
The issue here is not the file format. It's what's being done with it.
If that were the case, then jpeg file format would not exist because of child pornography.
...to create enough documents so that all that extra bits of info M$ is grabbing off your disk in Word files, which would include their kerberos source modifications, ends up being send along the bogus documents via email attachments.
Reassemble everything, and you have sources that were published by MicroSoft's own incompetence in a way they can't blame you.
To me I see no difference between Scientologists and Satanists. They are both whacked out extremists that will do anything to make someone beleive whatever garbage they themselves have been brainwashed by.
Just like your average Linux user.
I've been able to avoid that. I use Macs.
(If you can't see the humour in this, dont bother replying...)
Lucas is a visionary. All visionaries are vilified.
Are you saying Billy Gates is a visionary?
A company that is both environementally concious AND participates in getting you free ice cream?
Interesting timing;
This PR release from Apple and Matrox discusses the availability of RTMac: a real-time video editing card made especially for Macs and Final-Cut.
A complete system would be less than 5000$USD, according to the release, and Apple Store.
Besides, Quartz is not something that comes out from NeXT.
NeXT used a Display Postscipt engine. Quartz uses a PDF-based engine which lies on top of what is internally dubbed "Extended Quickdraw". This is all Apple stuff.
It's not like the info isn't out there folks. Dig it up, before you speak up.
Now if Darwin is the core of OSX, is OSX cross-platform? I haven't heard anything about that... Anyone know anything?
It's already been reported that OS X for Intel has been circulating within Apple. However, I wouldn't count on a release anytime soon. But, in line with this, Apple is apparently in talks with Intel box manufacturers.
Major speculation available here.
Hrm... how about slapping BeOS' Tracker and Deskbar on top of Apple's Darwin? The result: complete GUI OS that's X11-free (for those who care), fat-linked for Intel & PPC hardware. That would be interesting.