How many among us cheered when the Nuremberg Files website was shut down? If we will stand by when they shut down sites that are on the "fringe" that advocate an "extremist agenda" we open the door for the rich, powerful and influential to paint us as "kooks", and "extremists" in order to shut us down.
We must remember that the right to freedom of expression is absolute. Let them take it from one of us, and they'll take it from all of us.
LK
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Posted by WildOne:
I started the Support page a week ago, opened it 4 days ago. IF this is a joke as people are hoping, I promise I will personally kick Illiad's rear.
As it is, there are too many problems to be able to get a picture of what is going on. I am trying to get more information so I can let people know what is going on. A press release is being prepared for release, we are going on the presumption that this IS REAL. This is not a laughing matter in anyway. I prank like this would kill these sites, not help them.
I have had 20 emails already asking about the archive. Yes, I have 99% of the comics from start to 3/31/99. If the site is still down after midnight PST I will set them up online for people. I'll post it here.
We are allegedly some of the smarter people on this planet(by the dubious achievement of being able to plug in cords into computer and type...and careing about what OS we use ) ,
so why should they think we are that gullible... The pictures needed much work
It appears segfault.org has temporarily closed its site due to the latest developments in the potential suit being brought against them, User Friendly, and Be Dope. The latter two sites are business as usual for the moment.
Well music isn't quite like a circus or illusions. You listen to it, not watch it. So long as it sounds good, does it really matter? Lip Syncing and to an extent beyong that faking the playing of musical instruments is quite common. Who said that portishead or dj shadow never tried that once because the just didn't feel like it.
Its much easier to carry around a cd or disk, than it is to carry around a live orchestra. Live music still has no real comparison. Not even the CD. My point is that all things are replaced. It'll happen with this to. No one says that eventuallly this won't be harder to play in the future, thus granting more technical merit (atleast from me). Musicians shouldn't be in it to 'look' good, if they are, they aren't true musicians.
Its all about the actual music/sound being produced.
Yup, as even noted by AltOS, the BeOS has an exceptional amount free software, and as the few kinks are worked out in the posix stuff, more and more gnu stuff is compiling right outta the box.
Like all things, it'll go digital to an extent. It'll slowly replace older stuff for most people, being techinically superior. It happens everywhere constantly. I've heard lots of sound tracks produced through high end midi synths that sound exactly like a real symphony. Scratching is one of the easiest sounds to produce and imitate. Much easier than say a group of trumpets (which in most midi patches sounds like shit). Algorithms for beat detection and rapidly improving. So if the product grows this far (if it doesn't one will take its place) it'll probably eventually do that. And since most jungle and dance music (or 'electronica' in general) usually have clear beats often designated by bass drums of some type. It only makes it easier and more realistic for a computer to do the beat matching for you. So next time DJ Shadow is doing a live performance and is in a pissy mood, he can let the computer take over. Much like Madonna lip syncs to songs very often when on tour. Except she does it because of the dancing.
Who would pass up the oppurtunity to have a computer correct your mistakes in music? Most musicians don't, I don't think djs are an exception. Its very possible for the software to do that. When you get off beat and you start looking like ass, it'll could correct you.
This product, because of BeOS, the new media kit, and translators, will also work on other formats than mp3s. Maybe not in the first release, but probably shortly thereafter.
You don't want to do that in a court case. In all that documentation, there's sure to be a lot of stuff that could actually HELP the defendant. So you pick and choose your evidence, present it in course (with discovery available to the defense, of course), and toss whatever doesn't help your theory of the case.
It's a nice idea, though. It's just hard doing it without Microsoft getting wind of it. Don't worry -- the DOJ has some pretty good techie folks on board, from what I hear. It's not like they're doing a bad job as is.
Sure,/. readers know that Linux is on the rise. That's why this seems like such a non-event. But IDG doesn't write these reports for you folks, nice as you are. They're writing them for IT managers, CIOs, and businessmen, some of whom might not be all that familiar with Linux. This report, and those pretty nifty numbers, will make the suits sit up, take notice, and think about adding Linux into their network mix.
In other words, this is good stuff. This puts Linux on par with Solaris, Windows NT, etc., not only in performance (where it already is), but also in the minds of people who may have had doubts before.
Well, flaming and taking shots at each other certainly seems to be a part of the culture here. Most "nerds" I know can't abide cluelessness, and there's something to be said for that.
But the Linux/Open Source community needs someone like ESR to deal with folks like myself -- the mainstream press. The community needs people to take all of these wonderful ideas, translate them into English, and communicate them in such a way as to get everyday, mom-and-pop people excited about them. ESR did a pretty good job of that. His ABCNEWS.com chat was widely visited, and the transcript has been accessed over and over.
I don't think the Linux/Open Source community needs leaders, per se. It's a democracy of the masses, and for the most part, and for reasons still quite unknown, it WORKS. But you do need folks to translate for you. I'm not the most clueful press person on the planet, but I can tell a flame from constructive criticism. Not every reporter can do that, however. That's why you need folks like ESR.
And he's also right about one other thing -- there are certainly folks who could stand to lose the flame-throwers every now and then.
I just can't stop thinking of all the plants someone could grow with that much room. woop! Every 45 seconds, another arrest for Linux. 695000 last year. It's time for a change.
...if the guy who did these ever figured out that the reason he had to create all those mirrors was because he was constantly being linked to a Linux geek site. What's interesting about these cartoons is how freaking hilarious they are once you start to tune in to them. Oh well, I'll miss you Pokey...and remember, the "I" is for "IRE."
>2. If you average 6 keystrokes per second and it >takes 3 seconds to move >your hand to the mouse, move it to the desired >location, and place the >hand back on the keyboard, you have lost 18 >keystrokes.
I really HATE this kind of argument, which CLUI users repeat all the time. First of all, I don't average 6 keystrokes a second, I'm not that good a typist. And even if I were, constantly typing in order to use my computer makes my hands tired, and as a result makes me feel uncomfortable. Likewise, I have the ability to instantly place a mouse cursor on any point on my two monitors (too much quake2 for me I guess). I guess what I'm trying to say is: if you like CLUI fine, but don't try to push it on the rest of us just because you have some bogus statistics. I can only use an xterm to manage files, because of the paucity of useful Linux file managers. But if I find myself doing tedious work such as deleting a lot of dissimilar files, my hands quickly grow tired and achey. Conclusion? Usually a compromise is best.
The GC term is used in literature, code, conferences, and everyday conversation about memory management. What's odd about that (besides the obvious geekiness of it all)?
----------------------------- Computers are useless. They can only give answers.
This guy has lost sight that people use computers for their function. It shouldn't matter to Joe Public whether, eg, his email app is running on Windows, Linux or trained mammals so long as it does compliant email.
I think most/. readers would agree that the proper sequence is some variation: (RTFM, mess with it a bit, try something different, repeat) find local help, THEN, AS A LAST RESORT, call tech support.
Personally, I find emailing tech support to be much more productive. (providing the problem that you're having isn't with your MTA:)
It allows you to compose your problem in a clear and conscice manner, and allows them to properly research the answer.
I only call if its been a few days since my email and I haven't had a reply, or if they ask me to. Sometimes its easier to walk through a problem over the phone.
One thing I do have to say.... I've had great experiences with all unix software vendors I've needed support from. Truth be told, this is a small number. --- Donald Roeber
I entirely agree with this. Linux isn't good 'because' its difficult to get up and running. Its good because of the configurability and flexibility in the system.
Joe User wants to be able to get his system going out of the box (preferably by inserting a CD, answering a few questions that are easily understood, and having the option to say 'I don't understand that' and getting help along the way).
The shallower the learning curve the better, and the nicer people are to the newbie, the more fun they'll have, and the more support Linux will get on the desktop.
However, for Jane Administrator, things should be different. She should plan her installation carefully, reading all the appropriate documentation and know exactly what she is doing before sticking anything in the server (least of all a CD-ROM full of OS).
I suppose it depends what category these newbies are in.
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Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
How many among us cheered when the Nuremberg Files website was shut down? If we will stand by when they shut down sites that are on the "fringe" that advocate an "extremist agenda" we open the door for the rich, powerful and influential to paint us as "kooks", and "extremists" in order to shut us down.
We must remember that the right to freedom of expression is absolute. Let them take it from one of us, and they'll take it from all of us.
LK
Posted by WildOne:
I started the Support page a week ago, opened it 4 days ago. IF this is a joke as people are hoping, I promise I will personally kick Illiad's rear.
As it is, there are too many problems to be able to get a picture of what is going on. I am trying to get more information so I can let people know what is going on. A press release is being prepared for release, we are going on the presumption that this IS REAL. This is not a laughing matter in anyway. I prank like this would kill these sites, not help them.
I have had 20 emails already asking about the archive. Yes, I have 99% of the comics from start to 3/31/99. If the site is still down after midnight PST I will set them up online for people. I'll post it here.
Posted by sideb0ard:
'sheeeit, Linux? I run Red Hat on my linux box"
that cracks me up, some mean-ass biker fiend from Hell going home and doin some open source codin'!
Posted by OGL:
...no more Taco, PLEASE! Oh my head....
-W.W.
Posted by linuxincompetent:
We are allegedly some of the smarter people on this planet(by the dubious achievement of being able to plug in cords into computer and type...and careing about what OS we use ) ,
so why should they think we are that gullible...
The pictures needed much work
Posted by Wayne Steele:
It appears segfault.org has temporarily closed its site due to the latest developments in the potential suit being brought against them, User Friendly, and Be Dope. The latter two sites are business as usual for the moment.
Perhaps we'll know more by April 2nd?
Posted by Soco:
Well music isn't quite like a circus or illusions. You listen to it, not watch it. So long as it sounds good, does it really matter? Lip Syncing and to an extent beyong that faking the playing of musical instruments is quite common. Who said that portishead or dj shadow never tried that once because the just didn't feel like it.
Its much easier to carry around a cd or disk, than it is to carry around a live orchestra. Live music still has no real comparison. Not even the CD. My point is that all things are replaced. It'll happen with this to. No one says that eventuallly this won't be harder to play in the future, thus granting more technical merit (atleast from me). Musicians shouldn't be in it to 'look' good, if they are, they aren't true musicians.
Its all about the actual music/sound being produced.
Posted by OGL:
Oh yeah, I forgot to add (insert Homer Simpson drooling sound here).
Posted by OGL:
...I REALLY want one of those 400mhz G3 towers. Running Linux on my desktop...
-W.W.
Posted by Soco:
Yup, as even noted by AltOS, the BeOS has an exceptional amount free software, and as the few kinks are worked out in the posix stuff, more and more gnu stuff is compiling right outta the box.
Posted by Soco:
Like all things, it'll go digital to an extent. It'll slowly replace older stuff for most people, being techinically superior. It happens everywhere constantly. I've heard lots of sound tracks produced through high end midi synths that sound exactly like a real symphony. Scratching is one of the easiest sounds to produce and imitate. Much easier than say a group of trumpets (which in most midi patches sounds like shit). Algorithms for beat detection and rapidly improving. So if the product grows this far (if it doesn't one will take its place) it'll probably eventually do that. And since most jungle and dance music (or 'electronica' in general) usually have clear beats often designated by bass drums of some type. It only makes it easier and more realistic for a computer to do the beat matching for you. So next time DJ Shadow is doing a live performance and is in a pissy mood, he can let the computer take over. Much like Madonna lip syncs to songs very often when on tour. Except she does it because of the dancing.
Who would pass up the oppurtunity to have a computer correct your mistakes in music? Most musicians don't, I don't think djs are an exception. Its very possible for the software to do that. When you get off beat and you start looking like ass, it'll could correct you.
This product, because of BeOS, the new media kit, and translators, will also work on other formats than mp3s.
Maybe not in the first release, but probably shortly thereafter.
-soco
Posted by Mike@ABC:
You don't want to do that in a court case. In all that documentation, there's sure to be a lot of stuff that could actually HELP the defendant. So you pick and choose your evidence, present it in course (with discovery available to the defense, of course), and toss whatever doesn't help your theory of the case.
It's a nice idea, though. It's just hard doing it without Microsoft getting wind of it. Don't worry -- the DOJ has some pretty good techie folks on board, from what I hear. It's not like they're doing a bad job as is.
Posted by Mike@ABC:
/. readers know that Linux is on the rise. That's why this seems like such a non-event. But IDG doesn't write these reports for you folks, nice as you are. They're writing them for IT managers, CIOs, and businessmen, some of whom might not be all that familiar with Linux. This report, and those pretty nifty numbers, will make the suits sit up, take notice, and think about adding Linux into their network mix.
Sure,
In other words, this is good stuff. This puts Linux on par with Solaris, Windows NT, etc., not only in performance (where it already is), but also in the minds of people who may have had doubts before.
Posted by stodge:
:p (its a joke!)
How can they lose the source code to Win3.x? Isnt 95 based on that?
Posted by Mike@ABC:
Well, flaming and taking shots at each other certainly seems to be a part of the culture here. Most "nerds" I know can't abide cluelessness, and there's something to be said for that.
But the Linux/Open Source community needs someone like ESR to deal with folks like myself -- the mainstream press. The community needs people to take all of these wonderful ideas, translate them into English, and communicate them in such a way as to get everyday, mom-and-pop people excited about them. ESR did a pretty good job of that. His ABCNEWS.com chat was widely visited, and the transcript has been accessed over and over.
I don't think the Linux/Open Source community needs leaders, per se. It's a democracy of the masses, and for the most part, and for reasons still quite unknown, it WORKS. But you do need folks to translate for you. I'm not the most clueful press person on the planet, but I can tell a flame from constructive criticism. Not every reporter can do that, however. That's why you need folks like ESR.
And he's also right about one other thing -- there are certainly folks who could stand to lose the flame-throwers every now and then.
Posted by OGL:
Huh? I'm not quite following you. Was that meant to be sarcastic? 98% of the people I know have never heard of Slashdot.
-W.W.
Posted by TRF:
I just can't stop thinking of all the plants someone could grow with that much room. woop!
Every 45 seconds, another arrest for Linux. 695000 last year. It's time for a change.
Posted by OGL:
...if the guy who did these ever figured out that the reason he had to create all those mirrors was because he was constantly being linked to a Linux geek site. What's interesting about these cartoons is how freaking hilarious they are once you start to tune in to them. Oh well, I'll miss you Pokey...and remember, the "I" is for "IRE."
-W.W.
Posted by OGL:
>2. If you average 6 keystrokes per second and it
>takes 3 seconds to move
>your hand to the mouse, move it to the desired
>location, and place the
>hand back on the keyboard, you have lost 18
>keystrokes.
I really HATE this kind of argument, which CLUI users repeat all the time. First of all, I don't average 6 keystrokes a second, I'm not that good a typist. And even if I were, constantly typing in order to use my computer makes my hands tired, and as a result makes me feel uncomfortable. Likewise, I have the ability to instantly place a mouse cursor on any point on my two monitors (too much quake2 for me I guess). I guess what I'm trying to say is: if you like CLUI fine, but don't try to push it on the rest of us just because you have some bogus statistics. I can only use an xterm to manage files, because of the paucity of useful Linux file managers. But if I find myself doing tedious work such as deleting a lot of dissimilar files, my hands quickly grow tired and achey. Conclusion? Usually a compromise is best.
-W.W.
Posted by !ErrorBookmarkNotDefined:
The GC term is used in literature, code, conferences, and everyday conversation about memory management.
What's odd about that (besides the obvious geekiness of it all)?
-----------------------------
Computers are useless. They can only give answers.
Posted by [rtfm]:
More Linux jobs are under http://www.linux.de/business/jobs/ (at least for Germany).
Posted by Bill, the Galactic Hero:
POKEY YOU ARE THE GREATEST FRIEND IN THE WORLD
I'LL DRINK TO THAT
YES
Posted by DonR:
This guy has lost sight that people use computers for their function. It shouldn't matter to Joe Public whether, eg, his email app is running on Windows, Linux or trained mammals so long as it does compliant email.
Compliant? *Snicker*
*chuckle*
*ROFL*
---
Donald Roeber
Posted by DonR:
/. readers would agree that the proper sequence is some variation: (RTFM, mess with it a bit, try something different, repeat) find local help, THEN, AS A LAST RESORT, call tech support.
:)
I think most
Personally, I find emailing tech support to be much more productive. (providing the problem that you're having isn't with your MTA
It allows you to compose your problem in a clear and conscice manner, and allows them to properly research the answer.
I only call if its been a few days since my email and I haven't had a reply, or if they ask me to. Sometimes its easier to walk through a problem over the phone.
One thing I do have to say.... I've had great experiences with all unix software vendors I've needed support from. Truth be told, this is a small number.
---
Donald Roeber
Posted by Matthew Adams:
I entirely agree with this. Linux isn't good 'because' its difficult to get up and running. Its good because of the configurability and flexibility in the system.
Joe User wants to be able to get his system going out of the box (preferably by inserting a CD, answering a few questions that are easily understood, and having the option to say 'I don't understand that' and getting help along the way).
The shallower the learning curve the better, and the nicer people are to the newbie, the more fun they'll have, and the more support Linux will get on the desktop.
However, for Jane Administrator, things should be different. She should plan her installation carefully, reading all the appropriate documentation and know exactly what she is doing before sticking anything in the server (least of all a CD-ROM full of OS).
I suppose it depends what category these newbies are in.