>no ftp support either (last time I checked) When did you last check? 1997 ?
KFM: ftp support is working. It scrolls menu elements a bit slow and Javascript support is not complete.
It renders most sites just fine, with the exception of some buggy infoworld sites.... And it is GPL, so if you want a good HTML browser, just take the khtml libraries, don't mess with mozilla/ gecko yet.
>When you say microsoft is selling software >because they want to make money, I say, "Don't >waste your time typing that into a keyboard."
This is true... I should have just assumed that as a 'given.' I stand corrected.;-)
>Now when you say RedHat is selling Linux becuase >it works, I say, "Are you out of you mind?"
I didn't say that that's why they're selling it. I said that's why they're pushing it, that's why they have half the sales in the open source community, and they shouldn't be picked on for it.
>RedHat isn't some non-profit organization >selling Linux CDs so they can buy rice to send >over to somalia.
Quite true. I know that they're doing this to pay the bills just like everyone else. My intent was to point out the marked difference between they way they and Microsoft handle the issue.
MS made 95 (again a given, but I'll make a thought progression out of it, don't worry!) and sold it to the masses for $90 a box. I'll admit, before I gained some knowledge, I thought '95 was the best thing that ever hit my hard drive. (=>@ *(*%(*^%(%(*%) Then MS makes IE4... freely downloadable from their conxion FTP mirror. Then... they make '98. And they sell the Windows 98 upgrade for another $90. Holy rip off Batman! 95 with IE4 and 98 are IDENTICAL!! There are only a VERY few subtle differences.
Now... Redhat makes a linux distribution. When a friend of mine bought the 5.1 box set it was $50. Then 5.2 was released. You can download the entire thing for free, or you can pay another $30 for the 5.2 box set.
Redhat is definately NOT in this for the principle of the thing, they want to make their money. But, they're also not just selling us something we already have. And they're not inflating the value of what they sell.
First of all... Red Hat and MS are two completely different animals. MS is pushing software on people, basicly to make money ($90 a pop for Windows 98... WHAT THE ????) and just because they can. They (or should I say 'he') are (is) using the fact that so many people are locked into using MS products to keep digging the trench deeper.
On the flip side of the coin, Red Hat is pushing their software because it WORKS! And works well. It's easy to install, easy to configure, easy to learn, and easy to use. Plus it doesn't crash. I think I've gotten my box to freeze all of once because that was way back (a month ago) when I had no clue what I was doing. Anyway... couple the fact that Red Hat makes good reliable software, with the price difference! I've seen the 5.2 box set for $30! Or if you're cheap, just download it!
At the very least I'd say that comparing the two companies in the first place (in that manner) is the quickest way to get "Gold Member" status on your Moron Club Card.
Just my two cents, feel free to dispense change.;-)
... if you want to see four SAP systems on four different databases running on Linux smoothly on one server.
Cheers Your SAP Linux team
Its the SAME as it always was...get a grip people
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Posted by Kirk T Brujah:
No, they have jacked up the prices and lowered the quality of service... Yes, I know it sucked before; but it sucks even worse now. When people use internic, the expect to be able to get work done with the least amount of teeth pulling. We don't need banner-ads and t-shirts.
The GNOME coordinator, Miguel de Icaza, is indeed Mexican. And one of the things GNOME brings to the *ix desktop that was either not well organized or nonexistent is internationalization. Every GNOME-compliant application is internationalizable if i'm not mistaken. p.s. hey gnome-cutting-edge-people, is 1.0.3 or CVS better than 1.0?
If you strip the slashdot off of the address, (http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/who is?) it will bring you to the internic whois... Same functionality, only uglier.
Gee, I can't be a cool hacker without one of these steenkin' bags... Let me get my supermodel girlfriend to buy me one so I look cool to all my hacker buddies when I pull up in my Mercedes at the tennis court... Yeah. Like anybody who's a true hacker (and believe me, I sure as hell ain't got the skills to be one) would ever be dumb enough to advertise themselves with one of these bags... Then again, it would be funnier than hell if they got their site/.'ed to death...
The Evolution of software...
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Posted by AnnoyingMouseCoward:
Firstly, I agree with most of what your saying. To me, the most important point that you have made here is
"Steve Jobs never was good at letting his pets roam free in the wilderness".
What most of these big companies ( IBM, Apple, etc ) seem to have forgotten is that open source software development is evolutionary in nature. In short, it follows a Darwinian process of "survival of the fittest", rather than "ordained by management".
This is why I'm really not that worried by what the corporate sector does. If they try to impose a bureaucratic process of system development on the code, the only result of this will be mediocre systems that are inferior to open source code.
In short, they want the advantages of open source without the evolutionary process that actually makes it all work.
I have just registered my first domain using their new interface. It is anti-internic.org.
As many of you know, Network Solutions holds their rights to the generic TLDs through an agreement with the National Science Foundation. I would like everyone's help in starting a formal online petition to the NSF regarding Network Solutions.
I still need some basic info, though. For instance, I need to know how to change the desktop-change quick-key from ctrl-alt-arrow to just ctrl-arrow (like fvwm). Also, how do I change the calls to external progs in the buttons/menus. And when can I have a pager?
So I heard about e-conf making E configuration easy and decided to try it again (making attempt #3). I got it all down and installed. I started running it. No e-conf. Can't find it on my system anywhere. Can find many references on webpages and so forth, but no links. THEN I discover that e-conf requires GNOME. WTF? Why can't I have a simple E config editor (or at least a single document describing what to edit and how).
I swear, I want to love E, but it's getting REALLY hard.
Ya, this is REALLY pissing me off to. I sent this email to the bug report people at scitech: Tell me if you have similar setup.
So far it has been impossible to install it on my system. I've seen several other people comment on the exact same problem I had on the slashdot.org fourm. Here's what i have:
Slackware 3.6 using Libc5 libraries No RPM Matrox Mystique 220 4mb with latest bios upgrade P166 64mb ram
1st problem: Detects glibc2 instead of libc5... fine, whatever I downloaded both libc5 and glibc2 versions and they give the same results, except with glibc2 it detects glibc2 and continues instead of quitting
2nd problem: "./setup.sh: 0: command not found" After getting through the license agreements, etc it gives me this, i assume it's because of me not having RPM, so I install rpm
3rd problem rpm installed, it quits with no specific error message. I try to install the rpm myself, however it gives: "cannot write//var/local/lib/rpm/packags.rpm"
4th problem so i make that directory but now it doesnt detect my video card, gives me a blank i looked closer at the script and tired to run bin/gareport it gives me this error: Could not map physical memory areas this happens with both glibc2 and libc5
Any solutions, i've been racking my brains out for a while with this
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Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
The GPL is not about communism. It is about personal freedom. If I am FORCED to republish code changes, that is a lack of freedom and therefore inconsistent with the GPL.
Slashdot Mirror
Posted by dwiiezle:
:)
;)
:)
I agree with that redhat is a kind of mini-m$.
They have slow sucking "user-friendly" distributions with bugging libraries
The only difference is that caldera doesn't make money like m$ does
Slackware rox!
Posted by Moritz Moeller - Herrmann:
>no ftp support either (last time I checked)
When did you last check? 1997 ?
KFM:
ftp support is working. It scrolls menu elements a bit slow and Javascript support is not complete.
It renders most sites just fine, with the exception of some buggy infoworld sites....
And it is GPL, so if you want a good HTML browser, just take the khtml libraries, don't mess with mozilla/ gecko yet.
Posted by JerTheNerd:
;-)
:-)
>When you say microsoft is selling software >because they want to make money, I say, "Don't >waste your time typing that into a keyboard."
This is true... I should have just assumed that as a 'given.' I stand corrected.
>Now when you say RedHat is selling Linux becuase >it works, I say, "Are you out of you mind?"
I didn't say that that's why they're selling it. I said that's why they're pushing it, that's why they have half the sales in the open source community, and they shouldn't be picked on for it.
>RedHat isn't some non-profit organization >selling Linux CDs so they can buy rice to send >over to somalia.
Quite true. I know that they're doing this to pay the bills just like everyone else. My intent was to point out the marked difference between they way they and Microsoft handle the issue.
MS made 95 (again a given, but I'll make a thought progression out of it, don't worry!) and sold it to the masses for $90 a box. I'll admit, before I gained some knowledge, I thought '95 was the best thing that ever hit my hard drive. (=>@ *(*%(*^%(%(*%) Then MS makes IE4... freely downloadable from their conxion FTP mirror. Then... they make '98. And they sell the Windows 98 upgrade for another $90. Holy rip off Batman! 95 with IE4 and 98 are IDENTICAL!! There are only a VERY few subtle differences.
Now... Redhat makes a linux distribution. When a friend of mine bought the 5.1 box set it was $50. Then 5.2 was released. You can download the entire thing for free, or you can pay another $30 for the 5.2 box set.
Redhat is definately NOT in this for the principle of the thing, they want to make their money. But, they're also not just selling us something we already have. And they're not inflating the value of what they sell.
Again... my two cents.
Posted by JerTheNerd:
;-)
First of all... Red Hat and MS are two completely different animals. MS is pushing software on people, basicly to make money ($90 a pop for Windows 98... WHAT THE ????) and just because they can. They (or should I say 'he') are (is) using the fact that so many people are locked into using MS products to keep digging the trench deeper.
On the flip side of the coin, Red Hat is pushing their software because it WORKS! And works well. It's easy to install, easy to configure, easy to learn, and easy to use. Plus it doesn't crash. I think I've gotten my box to freeze all of once because that was way back (a month ago) when I had no clue what I was doing. Anyway... couple the fact that Red Hat makes good reliable software, with the price difference! I've seen the 5.2 box set for $30! Or if you're cheap, just download it!
At the very least I'd say that comparing the two companies in the first place (in that manner) is the quickest way to get "Gold Member" status on your Moron Club Card.
Just my two cents, feel free to dispense change.
Posted by xomox:
If you have a socks[45] firewall, try using either runsocks (for *nix) or sockscap (Wintendo). You can obtain it from
http://www.socks.nec.com
Posted by linuxlab@sap.com:
... if you want to see four SAP systems on four different databases running on Linux smoothly on one server.
Cheers
Your SAP Linux team
Posted by Kirk T Brujah:
No, they have jacked up the prices and lowered the quality of service... Yes, I know it sucked before; but it sucks even worse now. When people use internic, the expect to be able to get work done with the least amount of teeth pulling. We don't need banner-ads and t-shirts.
I support the AIC.
(http://www.anti-internic.org)
Posted by liver:
The GNOME coordinator, Miguel de Icaza, is indeed Mexican. And one of the things GNOME brings to the *ix desktop that was either not well organized or nonexistent is internationalization. Every GNOME-compliant application is internationalizable if i'm not mistaken.
p.s. hey gnome-cutting-edge-people, is 1.0.3 or CVS better than 1.0?
Posted by Kirk T Brujah:
o is?) it will bring you to the internic whois...
If you strip the slashdot off of the address, (http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/wh
Same functionality, only uglier.
Posted by !ErrorBookmarkNotDefined:
I think they meant "Doctor" as in "Doctor Dre". Likewise, "Grandmaster Flash" does not necessarily have a masters in flashing.
Oh, and fuck off please.
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Computers are useless. They can only give answers.
Posted by Cassull:
/.'ed to death...
Gee, I can't be a cool hacker without one of these steenkin' bags... Let me get my supermodel girlfriend to buy me one so I look cool to all my hacker buddies when I pull up in my Mercedes at the tennis court... Yeah. Like anybody who's a true hacker (and believe me, I sure as hell ain't got the skills to be one) would ever be dumb enough to advertise themselves with one of these bags... Then again, it would be funnier than hell if they got their site
Posted by JoeyRamone:
You tell 'm brother
Posted by AnnoyingMouseCoward:
Firstly, I agree with most of what your saying. To me, the most important point that you have made here is
"Steve Jobs never was good at letting his pets roam free in the wilderness".
What most of these big companies ( IBM, Apple, etc ) seem to have forgotten is that open source software development is evolutionary in nature. In short, it follows a Darwinian process of "survival of the fittest", rather than "ordained by management".
This is why I'm really not that worried by what the corporate sector does. If they try to impose a bureaucratic process of system development on the code, the only result of this will be mediocre systems that are inferior to open source code.
In short, they want the advantages of open source without the evolutionary process that actually makes it all work.
Just my 0.02c worth gang.
Posted by JoeyRamone:
:).....
It's pretty nice though to be popular, even if it is with a stupid bag-manufacturer.
Why not unleash a slashdot-efect at ten times the strength on that server. That should at least knock 'm out of buisiness
Bye all
Posted by kha0s theory:
just another example of out-of-context quoting!
Posted by !PerfectDark!:
Well, I expect you will start to see this more and more as companys start to try to fill the 'gaps' in linux and make a quick buck.
Posted by iticory:
I have just registered my first domain using their new interface. It is anti-internic.org.
As many of you know, Network Solutions holds their rights to the generic TLDs through an agreement with the National Science Foundation. I would like everyone's help in starting a formal online petition to the NSF regarding Network Solutions.
If anyone would like to help me with the terms of the petition, you can email me at nsfpetition@itinternet.net or visit the website once it goes up in a couple days at http://www.anti-internic.org/
You're making a typo. :)
The login is cypherpunks/cypherpunks, not cyberpunks/cyberpunks. (Think crypto and it helps ;)
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
Wow! That helps a lot, thanks.
I still need some basic info, though. For instance, I need to know how to change the desktop-change quick-key from ctrl-alt-arrow to just ctrl-arrow (like fvwm). Also, how do I change the calls to external progs in the buttons/menus. And when can I have a pager?
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
I dl'd twice but both times gunzip said "unexpected end of file". What up?
Posted by Fleeno:
Has anyone seen their lame commercials, where they encourage morons to register domains of their names? "Get your dot com today!"
Posted by Saurus:
> Can we be "The Dot Dot People"?
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
This is WAY off-topic....
So I heard about e-conf making E configuration easy and decided to try it again (making attempt #3). I got it all down and installed. I started running it. No e-conf. Can't find it on my system anywhere. Can find many references on webpages and so forth, but no links. THEN I discover that e-conf requires GNOME. WTF? Why can't I have a simple E config editor (or at least a single document describing what to edit and how).
I swear, I want to love E, but it's getting REALLY hard.
Posted by HenryV:
//var/local/lib/rpm/packags.rpm"
Ya, this is REALLY pissing me off to. I sent this email to the bug report people at scitech:
Tell me if you have similar setup.
So far it has been impossible to install it on my system. I've seen several other people comment on the exact same problem I had on the slashdot.org fourm. Here's what i have:
Slackware 3.6 using Libc5 libraries
No RPM
Matrox Mystique 220 4mb with latest bios upgrade
P166 64mb ram
1st problem:
Detects glibc2 instead of libc5... fine, whatever
I downloaded both libc5 and glibc2 versions and they give the same results, except with glibc2 it detects glibc2 and continues instead of quitting
2nd problem:
"./setup.sh: 0: command not found"
After getting through the license agreements, etc it gives me this, i assume it's because of me not having RPM, so I install rpm
3rd problem
rpm installed, it quits with no specific error message. I try to install the rpm myself, however it gives: "cannot write
4th problem
so i make that directory but now it doesnt detect my video card, gives me a blank
i looked closer at the script and tired to run bin/gareport
it gives me this error: Could not map physical memory areas
this happens with both glibc2 and libc5
Any solutions, i've been racking my brains out for a while with this
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
The GPL is not about communism. It is about personal freedom. If I am FORCED to republish code changes, that is a lack of freedom and therefore inconsistent with the GPL.