ok, so you have impressed on me the importance of taxonomy. is there any way for the public to participate in this? like in open source i can just pick up a piece of the problem, fix it, and submit it. is there anything analgous to that in taxonomy?
there was a school of thought on this that would increasingly delay the time between each message sent. first message goes right out. next takes 2 seconds, 4 seconds, 8, etc we all know how doubling works. simple but effective if I am sending a message to 4 or 5 people there is no noticeable delay. if I am sending to 50 people it will take a couple hours. any more than that you are probably spamming. in a real implementation you would probably come up w/ a more elegant scheme than doubling. B)
as w/ any spam ruleset there are exceptions. there should be a conf file for allowed mail senders such as if you are running a mailing list or the such.
it should be trivial to write something like this into a milter or to just put a wrapper in front of your port 25.
i like the idea of the Network Utility Commission. I have thought of similar ideas for awhile now. One problem I keep running into is how to make the jump. We currently have large companies making alot of money and employing alot of people (UUNET et al.) running the networks. The US government will never be able to just shut those down. So then how do we get there. Does the NUC have to build their own network and then entice people to switch over. It would be a huge outlay of capital but that is about the only way I can see it happening. The feds simply cannot force a company out of business (let alone a bunch of companies).
Don't get me wrong. i really like the idea of a basic network for america. I just don't see how it can happen. If you know of any instances where the gov't just took over a market segment I would be interested in hearing them.
lighten up!
this is a contest for POTENTIAL students. They aren't math majors. they aren't compsci majors. if they went to a smaller school (like many of us have to) they didn't have a chance to have any programming or math-beyond-precalc classes.
this isn't supposed to be proving P=NP, this is something to let the university know who can take a problem and work out a solution. It is meant to imply desire, not genius.
this elitist attitude in computing still nauseates me.
what portion of your soul would you have to sell to get security clearances. dice, hotjobs and what not all have many positions for people w/ prior security clearance but I dunno what is really involved in getting it.
you are not wrong but you are missing his point, which, IMHO, is a good one.
the "ISP" should be split into two service profiders. Connection and services. You can get a connection contract in which you get an IP and X bandwidth. then you can get a separate contract from any company that offers you the package of services you are looking for (SMTP, DNS, etc..) I am a sysadmin and so I don't need anything but the bandwidth. I can use my companies mail, nameservers etc... I just need an IP and good connection. and maybe a new server.
if you are a newbie you can get a fancy customized web portal, mail addresses, etc...
the problem I see with this is that I bet that the companies make good money on the services. it is simple to throw up all of these systems. once they are running and scripted w/ the user management tools you can charge a bundle for all of these "great services".
so what is your solution? don't talk about it? This is an issue being discussed on developer mailing lists. Slashdot is probably about as mainstream as this issue gets. If your hypothetical MIS manager is really looking to appearances and marketing then he will be reading eweek and redhat press releases (if that). They won't mention this issue. If he is reading the kernel dev lists or pouring through random linux sites he probably is savvy enough to understand a bit more about the issue.
It is an important issue to thosed involved and IMHO it is being discussed in the right areas. (Although I think it has gotten more attention outside of the list than it deserves)
this is exactly the point. the whole idea of unix was to create an abstraction layer away from the actual processor/machine architecture. if you can compile POSIX-compliant (POSIX kind of codified what was and was not unix) compliant apps then it is a unix. somebody mentioned that osX was POSIX . hence, it is a unix.
ok guys, I know everybody loves saying that windows crashes all the time. I have been running my machines (btween 1-4) constantly on for a couple years now. there have been crashes. a couple. I have had lots of apps crash but windows started handling that alot better around 98SE. you have to work to crash 2k and XP is shaping up to be similar. basically my reboots come from patches. (which, admittedlly, are needed way to often and shouldn't require a reboot)
I don't really coddle the machines. I download shit from all over the net and half the time I never get around to installing anti-virus and I still have just this side of zero crashes. granted, my linux boxen crash less (but it does happen) but all in all I generally expect a couple months of uptime before something my machine comes crashing down.
ok, fine, they saved the world. I was talking in terms of my enjoyment. I found most of the passages concerning the hobbits to be acceptable at best and painfully boring for most of the time.
I read alot of fantasy and this definitely wasn't the first. Maybe if it had turned me on to a genre I would have a special place in my heart. I though tolkiens world was very good and some of his characters (ents and bombadil stick out) were fantastic. his storytelling style i didn't care for. nothing against anybody who likes it, i just found it uninteresting.
there were good parts w/ the hobbits. the end, obviously, w/ sam and frodo was good. most of the time after they picked up gollum was good. merry and pippin fighting in the wars was also good.
btw your tone in the beginning of you post ("you didn't get the book") was mildly offensive. I understood the point of the book and the reasons for choosing the hobbits. both in teh book (magic resistance and he already had shown he could resist) and in the story telling sense (the hobbits are so small and now the weight of the world is on their shoulders). both of those could have been, IMHO, better done. the point came across but the day to day journey was, again IMHO, uninteresting. the good parts of the book were the characters that tolkein brought in to help or hound the hobbits. but I start to repeat myself so I will end here
I agree completely. Everything he gripes about being changed was exactly what I disliked. I hated the ineffectual little hobbits and could have cared less about, as you say, "every miserable little pebble and stick". I haven't seen the movie yet but it sounds great. especially if the focused on the cool characters.
ok, I'll bite. I had heard something about the porn in lion king or something but what about the evil-inspired messages? can you fill in a few details?
my pool-teammate's buddy from ireland (sister's former roomate) works w/ a company (in ireland) that produces physics engines for applications. well I guess it is really one physics engine that they license out to anybody who wants it. obviously game co's are interested but engineering and modelling progs use it too. sorry but I don't remember the name.
Significant water-ice deposits easily accessible from the surface would make it much more likely that life existed at some stage on Mars.
Damn keyboard shortcuts!... sorry about the double post.
Aren't we more interested in finding water to give us a more reasonable hope of colonizing Mars? once we get a few thousand people on Mars they can look for signs of previous life but lets get a backup of the human race over there first.
That is why we are interested in water on mars. we want to drink it.
great, another thing to download when i set up a new box. I am currently setting up a couple w2k boxen. after setting them up I have to windows update and reboot some 3-4 times (depending on dx8.1 install or no). on big hefty machines w/ scsi and raid, reboots take forever. why can't there be a patch called "Bring to current" or whatever that takes all the service packs and security updates and lays them down in one pass. specifically for bringing new installs up to date. I still remember hating how the default NT 4 install had ie 3 (2?) that couldn't even read MS's site to get a newer version to read MS's site. what a pain in the ass.
it is the subscription to their service. tivo calls home and gets program listings and occasional updates every night or so. w/o the subscription or some serious hacking the tivo loses most of it's pvr functionality.
What is this world coming to? Slashdot, usually known for it's levelheaded, facts-based postings (but only after everybody reads the articles) is having a US v. Europe thread. My god i never thought I would see that. At least it is well based in reality with little biased mudslinging being done.
(yup, this too, is sarcasm)
c'mon guys, how many times do we have to have the same discussion.
switching from cd won't be as easy as you think. It will be analagous to the switch from tape which many people still haven't caught up to. the cd switch has been around for, what, 10 years now? i think the next switch will take at least as long.
of course most of us reading this won't have that problem. I haven't bought a cd in a couple years now. nor do i have a radio player now that I got rid of my car. mp3 and streaming fulfill all my music needs.
i would be willing to pay the 10 bucks a month for fast realiable access to any song i want. I don't want to have to store it, though an (especially high quality?) version available for download would be nice, I want to stream it. I don't want to have to waste my 40gb drive with music when I can stream the music I want. I want the music to be cataloged in a way I will never get around to on my 7000+ mp3s. by genre, artist, mood, others who liked.... I want to be able to be listening to a song and say, "hhmmmm... that is just the kinda of song I am in the mood for, computer, play more of that." add a rating system that is similar to the launch.com one (but that works) and you could produce a service that is truly value add. the music I can get for free w/ a little bit of initiative so the music alone isn't a value. i need a service that makes the music listening experience better
sure you might drop a couple bucks for the extra content but that few bucks isn't going to pay the same profit margin as they have now and they are looking to retain.
i believe the network could convert to 3g and still over older services. there will be a couple of converts but everybody else will just go 3g when they get a new machine. er.. new phone (started thinking that this sounds exactly the MS XP plan)
Once a 3g network is built and it will be feasible to send that kind of data to such a small device what makes you think we wont see other types of devices? somebody mentioned sunglasses w/ video. cool. how about sending that data to my laptop. PC Cards or just native if we get good penetration. thenk of all teh cool spy stuff we will get to buy at radio shack.
think of how much easier it will be for everybody else to spy on you. just get couple of cheap phones and station them in strategic locations. call for video.
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ok, so you have impressed on me the importance of taxonomy. is there any way for the public to participate in this? like in open source i can just pick up a piece of the problem, fix it, and submit it. is there anything analgous to that in taxonomy?
there was a school of thought on this that would increasingly delay the time between each message sent. first message goes right out. next takes 2 seconds, 4 seconds, 8, etc we all know how doubling works. simple but effective if I am sending a message to 4 or 5 people there is no noticeable delay. if I am sending to 50 people it will take a couple hours. any more than that you are probably spamming. in a real implementation you would probably come up w/ a more elegant scheme than doubling. B)
as w/ any spam ruleset there are exceptions. there should be a conf file for allowed mail senders such as if you are running a mailing list or the such.
it should be trivial to write something like this into a milter or to just put a wrapper in front of your port 25.
i like the idea of the Network Utility Commission. I have thought of similar ideas for awhile now. One problem I keep running into is how to make the jump. We currently have large companies making alot of money and employing alot of people (UUNET et al.) running the networks. The US government will never be able to just shut those down. So then how do we get there. Does the NUC have to build their own network and then entice people to switch over. It would be a huge outlay of capital but that is about the only way I can see it happening. The feds simply cannot force a company out of business (let alone a bunch of companies).
Don't get me wrong. i really like the idea of a basic network for america. I just don't see how it can happen. If you know of any instances where the gov't just took over a market segment I would be interested in hearing them.
ej
For those of you who aren't comic geeks here is a translation of the big time books mentioned above:
X-Men #94 - Introduction of the new team including Wolverine, Collosus, Storm, NightCrawler, etc...
Amazing Fantasy #15 - here for more - First appearance of Spider Man.
Detective Comics #27 - pic First appearance of Batman
lighten up!
this is a contest for POTENTIAL students. They aren't math majors. they aren't compsci majors. if they went to a smaller school (like many of us have to) they didn't have a chance to have any programming or math-beyond-precalc classes.
this isn't supposed to be proving P=NP, this is something to let the university know who can take a problem and work out a solution. It is meant to imply desire, not genius.
this elitist attitude in computing still nauseates me.
what portion of your soul would you have to sell to get security clearances. dice, hotjobs and what not all have many positions for people w/ prior security clearance but I dunno what is really involved in getting it.
anyone know?
ej
you are not wrong but you are missing his point, which, IMHO, is a good one.
the "ISP" should be split into two service profiders. Connection and services. You can get a connection contract in which you get an IP and X bandwidth. then you can get a separate contract from any company that offers you the package of services you are looking for (SMTP, DNS, etc..) I am a sysadmin and so I don't need anything but the bandwidth. I can use my companies mail, nameservers etc... I just need an IP and good connection. and maybe a new server.
if you are a newbie you can get a fancy customized web portal, mail addresses, etc...
the problem I see with this is that I bet that the companies make good money on the services. it is simple to throw up all of these systems. once they are running and scripted w/ the user management tools you can charge a bundle for all of these "great services".
so what is your solution? don't talk about it? This is an issue being discussed on developer mailing lists. Slashdot is probably about as mainstream as this issue gets. If your hypothetical MIS manager is really looking to appearances and marketing then he will be reading eweek and redhat press releases (if that). They won't mention this issue. If he is reading the kernel dev lists or pouring through random linux sites he probably is savvy enough to understand a bit more about the issue.
It is an important issue to thosed involved and IMHO it is being discussed in the right areas. (Although I think it has gotten more attention outside of the list than it deserves)
this is exactly the point. the whole idea of unix was to create an abstraction layer away from the actual processor/machine architecture. if you can compile POSIX-compliant (POSIX kind of codified what was and was not unix) compliant apps then it is a unix. somebody mentioned that osX was POSIX . hence, it is a unix.
ok guys, I know everybody loves saying that windows crashes all the time. I have been running my machines (btween 1-4) constantly on for a couple years now. there have been crashes. a couple. I have had lots of apps crash but windows started handling that alot better around 98SE. you have to work to crash 2k and XP is shaping up to be similar. basically my reboots come from patches. (which, admittedlly, are needed way to often and shouldn't require a reboot)
I don't really coddle the machines. I download shit from all over the net and half the time I never get around to installing anti-virus and I still have just this side of zero crashes. granted, my linux boxen crash less (but it does happen) but all in all I generally expect a couple months of uptime before something my machine comes crashing down.
this got an "Insightful" rating?!?!?!? this is FUD at best and "flamebait" at worst. probably falling somewhere in between to be "Troll"
ok, fine, they saved the world. I was talking in terms of my enjoyment. I found most of the passages concerning the hobbits to be acceptable at best and painfully boring for most of the time.
I read alot of fantasy and this definitely wasn't the first. Maybe if it had turned me on to a genre I would have a special place in my heart. I though tolkiens world was very good and some of his characters (ents and bombadil stick out) were fantastic. his storytelling style i didn't care for. nothing against anybody who likes it, i just found it uninteresting.
there were good parts w/ the hobbits. the end, obviously, w/ sam and frodo was good. most of the time after they picked up gollum was good. merry and pippin fighting in the wars was also good.
btw your tone in the beginning of you post ("you didn't get the book") was mildly offensive. I understood the point of the book and the reasons for choosing the hobbits. both in teh book (magic resistance and he already had shown he could resist) and in the story telling sense (the hobbits are so small and now the weight of the world is on their shoulders). both of those could have been, IMHO, better done. the point came across but the day to day journey was, again IMHO, uninteresting. the good parts of the book were the characters that tolkein brought in to help or hound the hobbits. but I start to repeat myself so I will end here
HEAR HEAR
I agree completely. Everything he gripes about being changed was exactly what I disliked. I hated the ineffectual little hobbits and could have cared less about, as you say, "every miserable little pebble and stick". I haven't seen the movie yet but it sounds great. especially if the focused on the cool characters.
ej
ok, I'll bite. I had heard something about the porn in lion king or something but what about the evil-inspired messages? can you fill in a few details?
thnx
ej
my pool-teammate's buddy from ireland (sister's former roomate) works w/ a company (in ireland) that produces physics engines for applications. well I guess it is really one physics engine that they license out to anybody who wants it. obviously game co's are interested but engineering and modelling progs use it too. sorry but I don't remember the name.
Significant water-ice deposits easily accessible from the surface would make it much more likely that life existed at some stage on Mars.
Damn keyboard shortcuts!... sorry about the double post.
Aren't we more interested in finding water to give us a more reasonable hope of colonizing Mars? once we get a few thousand people on Mars they can look for signs of previous life but lets get a backup of the human race over there first.
That is why we are interested in water on mars. we want to drink it.
ej
Significant water-ice deposits easily accessible from the surface would make it much more likely that life existed at some stage on Mars.
great, another thing to download when i set up a new box. I am currently setting up a couple w2k boxen. after setting them up I have to windows update and reboot some 3-4 times (depending on dx8.1 install or no). on big hefty machines w/ scsi and raid, reboots take forever. why can't there be a patch called "Bring to current" or whatever that takes all the service packs and security updates and lays them down in one pass. specifically for bringing new installs up to date. I still remember hating how the default NT 4 install had ie 3 (2?) that couldn't even read MS's site to get a newer version to read MS's site. what a pain in the ass.
tgif
ej
it is the subscription to their service. tivo calls home and gets program listings and occasional updates every night or so. w/o the subscription or some serious hacking the tivo loses most of it's pvr functionality.
What is this world coming to? Slashdot, usually known for it's levelheaded, facts-based postings (but only after everybody reads the articles) is having a US v. Europe thread. My god i never thought I would see that. At least it is well based in reality with little biased mudslinging being done.
(yup, this too, is sarcasm)
c'mon guys, how many times do we have to have the same discussion.
switching from cd won't be as easy as you think. It will be analagous to the switch from tape which many people still haven't caught up to. the cd switch has been around for, what, 10 years now? i think the next switch will take at least as long.
of course most of us reading this won't have that problem. I haven't bought a cd in a couple years now. nor do i have a radio player now that I got rid of my car. mp3 and streaming fulfill all my music needs.
i would be willing to pay the 10 bucks a month for fast realiable access to any song i want. I don't want to have to store it, though an (especially high quality?) version available for download would be nice, I want to stream it. I don't want to have to waste my 40gb drive with music when I can stream the music I want. I want the music to be cataloged in a way I will never get around to on my 7000+ mp3s. by genre, artist, mood, others who liked.... I want to be able to be listening to a song and say, "hhmmmm... that is just the kinda of song I am in the mood for, computer, play more of that." add a rating system that is similar to the launch.com one (but that works) and you could produce a service that is truly value add. the music I can get for free w/ a little bit of initiative so the music alone isn't a value. i need a service that makes the music listening experience better
sure you might drop a couple bucks for the extra content but that few bucks isn't going to pay the same profit margin as they have now and they are looking to retain.
i believe the network could convert to 3g and still over older services. there will be a couple of converts but everybody else will just go 3g when they get a new machine. er.. new phone (started thinking that this sounds exactly the MS XP plan)
ej
Once a 3g network is built and it will be feasible to send that kind of data to such a small device what makes you think we wont see other types of devices? somebody mentioned sunglasses w/ video. cool. how about sending that data to my laptop. PC Cards or just native if we get good penetration. thenk of all teh cool spy stuff we will get to buy at radio shack.
think of how much easier it will be for everybody else to spy on you. just get couple of cheap phones and station them in strategic locations. call for video.
they are both sending and receiving video. upstream and downstream must be pretty reasonable.