I understand your frustration but i run Mandrake 6.0 and it is certainly not obsolete. I've had no problems with it. I find it a great distribution when I want to quickly slap a distro onto a disk. I install everything and it all works when I reboot. It's also very quick. There's really no need to keep upgrading all the time unless there is some new feature that you need. I've been running FreeBSD 2.2.8 for a little while and have only recently considered upgrading to a new release. The next time you want to try out a distro you might want pick up one of the $1.99 cheapbyte CDs.
I use FreeBSD 2.2.8 so I can't speak for 3.3 but KDE is in the ports collection and KPPP is installed along with KDE. I used to use FreeBSD with icewm and later used Window Maker. I just installed the KDE port a day ago. It took a while to install with my 33.6 modem but the installation using the ports collection was flawless. However, I haven't managed to get KPPP to work yet. It seems to hang when initializing the modem. This is KDE 1.0, though, perhaps there are some bugs that are not present in KDE 1.1 which I am used to using under Linux. FreeBSD is well worth trying, though. With my 2.2.8 release it's a bit more work to get things running but I enjoy it anyway. I also find the installation pretty easy. I don't know why some people find it difficult. If you want a tricky installation try OpenBSD 2.4.
Well, Slashdot is a Linux focused site. Every site you look at, news article you read, newscast you watch or radio station you listen to will have its own biases. It's impossible for human beings to be unbiased. I would expect that the Linux users that read and post on Slashdot, myself included, come here BECAUSE of that bias. We want to hear about the good that is being done with and for our OS of choice - it makes us feel good. If we wanted to hear a Microsoft slant we'd visit a Microsoft centric site. So, yeah, saying Microsoft RoOlZ! on Slashdot is a much more troll-like action than saying Linux RoOlZ! And well it should be.
Gee, at my work - I'm not an IT professional - we have a Win95 box that is used for Word processing, to recieve e-mails for supply orders and periodically track packages via the internet. That machine crashes almost daily. Probably three times a week. If one of the network drives - which we never use - is unavailable because the server is down Windows crashes.
I no longer use Windows at home. I for the most part use various distributions of Linux such as Slackware and Mandrake. They kick Windows AND NT butt. So does my FreeBSD installation. I don't think that Linux and users of other open source OS's are in denial - that's the Windows users that want to convince themselves that it's OK to reboot once a week and pay $150+++ for it. I paid $1.99 each for my distros. I hear a great chorus of open source OS users laughing with glee.
Well Mr. Coward, I think your comment would be more appropriate for the Guest book provided on the Windows test page. But you might not be able to get through. Gee I wonder why? Those pesky routers I guess - yeah sure.
Having never used a RAID system I was wondering what type of access time you could expect from such a system? How would the access time to even a fairly small array of drives compare to let's say a large desktop hard drive?
When I was using IE4 and Windows95 I found it to be faster than Netscape 4. However, I agree with you that IE4 was used as a test-bed for Windows98. It was their pre-beta beta.
Have you ever read John Wyndham's Re-Birth? It's a novella. It doesn't deal with cloning but it is set in a world thousands of years after a nuclear holocaust with many legends of the ancients.
How can any substance contain the incredible temperatures they describe in the article? Wouldn't the "miniscule fireball" simply melt everything around it?
Any moderator that is using their own biased agenda to moderate perfectly good posts down is not following the guidelines and the post with the offending score should be reported to Rob Malda. I'm surprised to see that people have such a problem with the moderation since the posts are moderated by readers like themselves. If you post enough, and read enough you will get a chance.
Microsoft and Rogers Cable in bed together now? It doesn't surprise me in the least. They both make a fortune by overcharging their customers for their mediocre products and services. Rogers doesn't hesitate to charge me $40 a month for my cable service which only includes a few special channels - cartoon channels for the kids, History channel, Much Music etc. Many of these channels were offered free of charge for several months with the understanding that you would have to pay for them after a certain period. When January 1st of that year came Rogers slyly added the extra charge for the channel on everyones bill. It was a huge fiasco for Rogers - they apologized -I think - and automatically removed the channels unless they were ordered like they should have in the first place. And if I want a cable modem they want me to pay them another $40. Almost $100 a month out of my pocket an into their bank account? They can kiss my ass. Rogers has swallowed up most of the competition. If there was an alternative in my area I would us it. Recently, Rogers also came into my apartment building and installed new cable wiring. Now instead of our cable coming from the walls it no runs in from the hallway which itself branches from a central cable that runs up the garbage chute rooms. Don't know if this is significant but the timing is interesting. They spent months installing the cable and there was a lot of nonsense about all the great new services we would eventually enjoy to make up for of all the inconvenience they caused us.
I didn't start using Linux or FreeBSD because I hate Microsoft. I did want a more stable platform, however, - I managed to crash my system during almost every session when I was trying to program in Visual Basic 5. I use Linux and FreeBSD because I find them much more interesting. They come with a slew of applications, particularly for development, (I don't have to spend days downloading tons of shareware to make my system interesting) and for all the power of having a Unix-like workstation on my desktop my modest hardware is very responsive. And I get all this for $1.99 at Cheapbytes? Hatred's not the motivation - I'm in heaven!
I have a Pentium 75 on a secondary machine. You mean to say that I could overclock my P75 and have it run like a 133? And it won't cook itself? That would be like getting a new machine.
I'm sorry that you have had bad experiences with Linux newsgroups. I myself have always found respondants from Linux newsgroups to be polite and very helpful. I once did, however, recieve a somewhat abrupt response to a question I posted to a FreeBSD newsgroup. I don't think you should let it stop you from trying out Linux if that is what you really want to do. With the user-friendliness of current distributions you should be able to set up a desktop system with very little support - maybe none if you get yourself a good reference book on Linux. I'm still a relative beginner so I can't speak for setting up a server - I would assume that much more support would be necessary. I recently recieved my Slackware 4.0 CD from Cheapbytes. The installation was very easy and setting up a PPP connection with Slackwares pppsetup utility was effortless. Much easier than Windows95. Even though I have done MANY setups and installations of many distributions I still think that a distribution like the one mentioned above would be a breeze for a prepared beginner.
And, if you believe the results, pointing out any deficiencies in Linux's network subsystem or IP stack can only help improve Linux's performance in the future.
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I still have to wonder though under what circumstances would someone need that kind of processing power? And I assume that like the Linux kernel any applications to be run on a 16 processor system would have to be optimized equally well to offer any advantage.
Walnut Creek's website states that Slackware supports SMP for 16 processors with kernel 2.0.35. Is this accurate? It seemed that Linus was saying that support for just 2 and 4 processors was just added with the 2.2 kernel and that work was continuing on support for 8 to 16 CPUS. Or did I misunderstand?
And you have Linux on the brain...he can put anything he pleases on an Alpha. Who made you the spokes person for the Linux community. You don't speak for me. I don't hate anyone because of the operating system they use. However I didn't find your signature amusing "check out Canadians getting killed." What is that supposed to mean? Didn't have the time to download the plugin. You might think about re-phrasing it.
Bravo! I'm no scientist but I do know pseudo-scientific rubbish when I hear it. It amazes me how many lies and half-truths are propounded as "scientific fact." Lies that are accepted as truth can be VERY dangerous.
That is an insightful comparison between the DOS/Windows design model and the Unix model. For the IDE to reflect the Unix model - and thus be widely accepted by the Linux community it will have to allow a great deal of customization and the ability to act as a front end to an array of interpreters and compilers. Perhaps it will allow you to load the language support in modules to keep the IDE's footprint relativly small.(I certainly hope it won't require a minimum of 64MB of RAM to run at a respectable speed.)
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I understand your frustration but i run Mandrake 6.0 and it is certainly not obsolete. I've had no problems with it. I find it a great distribution when I want to quickly slap a distro onto a disk.
I install everything and it all works when I reboot. It's also very quick.
There's really no need to keep upgrading all the time unless there is some new feature that you need.
I've been running FreeBSD 2.2.8 for a little while and have only recently considered upgrading to a new release.
The next time you want to try out a distro you might want pick up one of the $1.99 cheapbyte CDs.
I use FreeBSD 2.2.8 so I can't speak for 3.3 but KDE is in the ports collection and KPPP is installed along with KDE. I used to use FreeBSD with icewm and later used Window Maker. I just installed the KDE port a day ago. It took a while to install with my 33.6 modem but the installation using the ports collection was flawless. However, I haven't managed to get KPPP to work yet. It seems to hang when initializing the modem. This is KDE 1.0, though, perhaps there are some bugs that are not present in KDE 1.1 which I am used to using under Linux.
FreeBSD is well worth trying, though. With my 2.2.8 release it's a bit more work to get things running but I enjoy it anyway. I also find the installation pretty easy. I don't know why some people find it difficult. If you want a tricky installation try OpenBSD 2.4.
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Well, Slashdot is a Linux focused site. Every site you look at, news article you read, newscast you watch or radio station you listen to will have its own biases. It's impossible for human beings to be unbiased.
I would expect that the Linux users that read and post on Slashdot, myself included, come here BECAUSE of that bias. We want to hear about the good that is being done with and for our OS of choice - it makes us feel good. If we wanted to hear a Microsoft slant we'd visit a Microsoft centric site. So, yeah, saying Microsoft RoOlZ! on Slashdot is a much more troll-like action than saying Linux RoOlZ! And well it should be.
Gee, at my work - I'm not an IT professional - we have a Win95 box that is used for Word processing, to recieve e-mails for supply orders and periodically track packages via the internet. That machine crashes almost daily. Probably three times a week. If one of the network drives - which we never use - is unavailable because the server is down Windows crashes.
I no longer use Windows at home. I for the most part use various distributions of Linux such as Slackware and Mandrake. They kick Windows AND NT butt. So does my FreeBSD installation. I don't think that Linux and users of other open source OS's are in denial - that's the Windows users that want to convince themselves that it's OK to reboot once a week and pay $150+++ for it. I paid $1.99 each for my distros. I hear a great chorus of open source OS users laughing with glee.
Well Mr. Coward, I think your comment would be more appropriate for the Guest book provided on the Windows test page. But you might not be able to get through. Gee I wonder why? Those pesky routers I guess - yeah sure.
I agree. Though it's fun to watch every one go at it. I don't see any reason to help Microsoft test their software. Let them test their own damn OS!
Having never used a RAID system I was wondering what type of access time you could expect from such a system? How would the access time to even a fairly small array of drives compare to let's say a large desktop hard drive?
Thanks
When I was using IE4 and Windows95 I found it to be faster than Netscape 4. However, I agree with you that IE4 was used as a test-bed for Windows98. It was their pre-beta beta.
Have you ever read John Wyndham's Re-Birth? It's a novella. It doesn't deal with cloning but it is set in a world thousands of years after a nuclear holocaust with many legends of the ancients.
How can any substance contain the incredible temperatures they describe in the article? Wouldn't the "miniscule fireball" simply melt everything around it?
Have you ever read Eon by Greg Bear? It deals with that theme in detail. I highly recommend you pick it up some where it's a good Sci-Fi novel.
Any moderator that is using their own biased agenda to moderate perfectly good posts down is not following the guidelines and the post with the offending score should be reported to Rob Malda.
I'm surprised to see that people have such a problem with the moderation since the posts are moderated by readers like themselves. If you post enough, and read enough you will get a chance.
Microsoft and Rogers Cable in bed together now? It doesn't surprise me in the least.
They both make a fortune by overcharging their customers for their mediocre products and services. Rogers doesn't hesitate to charge me $40 a month for my cable service which only includes a few special channels - cartoon channels for the kids, History channel, Much Music etc. Many of these channels were offered free of charge for several months with the understanding that you would have to pay for them after a certain period. When January 1st of that year came Rogers slyly added the extra charge for the channel on everyones bill. It was a huge fiasco for Rogers - they apologized -I think - and automatically removed the channels unless they were ordered like they should have in the first place.
And if I want a cable modem they want me to pay them another $40. Almost $100 a month out of my pocket an into their bank account? They can kiss my ass. Rogers has swallowed up most of the competition. If there was an alternative in my area I would us it.
Recently, Rogers also came into my apartment building and installed new cable wiring. Now instead of our cable coming from the walls it no runs in from the hallway which itself branches from a central cable that runs up the garbage chute rooms. Don't know if this is significant but the timing is interesting. They spent months installing the cable and there was a lot of nonsense about all the great new services we would eventually enjoy to make up for of all the inconvenience they caused us.
I still don't understand what is meant by a real-time OS. Looked it up on CNET but their definition was opaque. Could anyone explain it?
Thanks
I didn't start using Linux or FreeBSD because I hate Microsoft. I did want a more stable platform, however, - I managed to crash my system during almost every session when I was trying to program in Visual Basic 5. I use Linux and FreeBSD because I find them much more interesting. They come with a slew of applications, particularly for development, (I don't have to spend days downloading tons of shareware to make my system interesting) and for all the power of having a Unix-like workstation on my desktop my modest hardware is very responsive. And I get all this for $1.99 at Cheapbytes? Hatred's not the motivation - I'm in heaven!
:)
Perhaps they were saving them for posterity. ;-)
I have a Pentium 75 on a secondary machine. You mean to say that I could overclock my P75 and have it run like a 133? And it won't cook itself?
That would be like getting a new machine.
Congratulations to you, Hemos, and to CmdrTaco. The best of luck to you both in your new venture. Be sure to enjoy that hard earned free time!
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Alan
I'm sorry that you have had bad experiences with Linux newsgroups. I myself have always found respondants from Linux newsgroups to be polite and very helpful. I once did, however, recieve a somewhat abrupt response to a question I posted to a FreeBSD newsgroup.
I don't think you should let it stop you from trying out Linux if that is what you really want to do.
With the user-friendliness of current distributions you should be able to set up a desktop system with very little support - maybe none if you get yourself a good reference book on Linux. I'm still a relative beginner so I can't speak for setting up a server - I would assume that much more support would be necessary.
I recently recieved my Slackware 4.0 CD from Cheapbytes. The installation was very easy and setting up a PPP connection with Slackwares pppsetup utility was effortless. Much easier than Windows95. Even though I have done MANY setups and installations of many distributions I still think that a distribution like the one mentioned above would be a breeze for a prepared beginner.
Good Luck
What ever you decide to do.
And, if you believe the results, pointing out any deficiencies in Linux's network subsystem or IP stack can only help improve Linux's performance in the future.
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I still have to wonder though under what circumstances would someone need that kind of processing power? And I assume that like the Linux kernel any applications to be run on a 16 processor system would have to be optimized equally well to offer any advantage.
Walnut Creek's website states that Slackware supports SMP for 16 processors with kernel 2.0.35.
Is this accurate? It seemed that Linus was saying that support for just 2 and 4 processors was just added with the 2.2 kernel and that work was continuing on support for 8 to 16 CPUS. Or did I misunderstand?
And you have Linux on the brain...he can put anything he pleases on an Alpha. Who made you the spokes person for the Linux community. You don't speak for me. I don't hate anyone because of the operating system they use. However I didn't find your signature amusing "check out Canadians getting killed." What is that supposed to mean? Didn't have the time to download the plugin. You might think about re-phrasing it.
proudly Canadian eh!
Bravo! I'm no scientist but I do know pseudo-scientific rubbish when I hear it. It amazes me how many lies and half-truths are propounded as "scientific fact." Lies that are accepted as truth can be VERY dangerous.
That is an insightful comparison between the DOS/Windows design model and the Unix model.
For the IDE to reflect the Unix model - and thus be widely accepted by the Linux community it will have to allow a great deal of customization and the ability to act as a front end to an array of interpreters and compilers. Perhaps it will allow you to load the language support in modules to keep the IDE's footprint relativly small.(I certainly hope it won't require a minimum of 64MB of RAM to run at a respectable speed.)
Just my redundant 2 bits.