Out of curiosity, why do you use it? There are other mailers out there that perform well, have good security records, and are easier to configure, so why stick with qmail? Does it have some good features that you don't want to give up?
IANAL, but giving someone the opportunity to violate the law and then holding them responsible for doing it isn't entrapment. Entrapment includes an element of coercion, such as police threatening to arrest your kids if you don't sell drugs for them. That's why drug and prostitution stings are legal: the police are providing the ability to break the law, but aren't making people do so.
Believe it or not, it's not my goal to convince you to adopt my all of my methodologies and mannerisms. I've developed a set of rules that a lot of people use to reduce their spam. If you want to use my rules, your rules, or nothing at all, then that's your choice and I won't talk you out of it.
Good luck with your qmail coercing. If you ever get tired of it, take a look at Postfix's configuration sometime. It was like a breath of fresh air after messing around with Sendmail's m4 system for years.
The movement should really have kick ass support for hardware up to a
decade old.
According to one timeline, that would mean a 120MHz Pentium. If you honestly think modern authors should limit the functionality of their software to ensure it runs well on a barely-three-digit-MHz 586, then you're insane and I have a RedHat 4 CD that may interest you.
I didn't mean that as a limit to its usefulness. I just meant that anything newer is pretty much guaranteed to run KDE well, although older hardware may be perfectly fine.
Oh, please. KDE on my 1.4GHz Thunderbird is at least as fast as Win98, and comes with remote file access (via KIOSlaves), antialiased fonts, an object-oriented design that lets developers embed just about any application inside any other with minimal overhead (see Konqueror and Kontact which are just wrappers around various widgets), and about a million applications that many of us find far superior to their Windows counterparts.
People who slag Gnome and KDE regarding speed seem to be under the bizarre impression that they're just GUIs, when they're actually far, far more. That's why I recommended XFCE for people with slow systems. It's more of a traditional window manager-type system - albeit with some pretty nice additional utilities - and runs great on my K6-3/333 laptop. You can't possibly compare a stripped down system like XFCE or Windows 98 to a full blown desktop environment, though.
It runs fine on anything made in the last four years. If your system is older than that and it's too slow for you, try XFCE. The rest of us KDE and Gnome users will welcome you into the fold the next time you upgrade.
Too much work. I only get about 1000 emails per day at my email server, so I just skip to step 6 (SA+ClamAV).
Too bad. Those other filters catch huge amounts of spam with very few false positives. I love SA and ClamAV and recommend them whole-heartedly, but not as the first check on a server.
Considering that IE 6 is a free freakin' upgrade for anyone running at least Win98 (and maybe even Win95 - I haven't tried it), I say cut those people loose. Seriously. I can't think of a single reason to support Netscape/IE 4 in this day and age, considering that pretty much everyone can upgrade to a newer browser for free.
Anyone who can't be bothered to download something more recent - and using IE in the first place implies that they have a network connection - is either running an ancient POS out of poverty conditions and can't afford your product; is just plain stubborn and would be a pain-in-the-neck customer that costs you more in support than you'd earn off them; or is technically illiterate and using a system their kid set up for them in '96 and probably won't be buying from the Interweb anyway. I don't think badly of people in the first and third categories, but the economic truth is that you're supporting them at a net loss to your own profits.
It's just too expensive to support those who can't or won't maintain their own system and who probably aren't your target demographic anyway. Why keep throwing good money after bad?
That looks like it'd do exactly what I want, but it's hardly gratis or libre by any definition. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, but that's not what I'm looking for. Thanks for the pointer, though.
That's not insightful - that's stupid. I'm a Republican. Is it OK if I add "no animal rights groups, Democratic party members, or government organizations can use my stuff" and still claim that it's F/OSS? Why? Either every can use it, or it's not Free. There's no in-between.
This is wholly off-topic, but I thought it needed to be said. Your personal preferences are exactly that: personal preferences. I've had a lot of chocolates from throughout the world, and my personal preference is for Hersheys Symphony bars. I love 'em. I think they're delicious and much better than the expensive European chocolates I've tried.
I think it comes down to what you've grown up with and what your expectations are. I was raised in a completely different environment and have equal and opposite tastes in the matter. Don't assume that your "food culture" is inherently superior to mine, and I'll try not to do the same. Deal?
So you click the links to go through to the directory, at which point you discover that it's pretty puny compared to dmoz.org (compare and contrast searches for a random topic).
At this exact moment in time, Yahoo! returns an admittedly puny set of 8 matches:
Sites 1 - 8 of 8
Link 1
Link 2
On the other hand, dmoz just bluescreened:
Search:
skunks The Open Directory search is temporarily unavailable. Please try back later. No Open Directory Project results found
I think I'd have to give the Least Lame Award to the meager "8" over the hypothetical "many".
I'm sure dmoz has a lot going for it, but there's a lot to be said for those massive, soulless corporate server farms and their boring 24-7 availability.
My understanding is that it isn't so much the kernel (although that's certainly an issue) as the userspace applications. For example, going from 32 to 64 bits breaks a lot of badly-written software, as does that annoyingly still-present issue of endianness. Debian currently treats all platforms as equal, meaning that a problem compiling X.org on some weird 48-bit middle-endian system used by 15 people can delay including that package on x86 and x64 as well.
If everything was well-written and accounted for differing word lengths, byte orders, etc. then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Unfortunately, that's not the case. On the plus side, Debian's dedication to platform equality means that a lot of bugs get exposed (and fixed) that no one would ever know about if the world only ran x86. This is a good thing for everyone, even those where that software already worked as expected.
Openldap still appears to be a 'priesthood' occult.
I kind of have to disagree. I set it up to replace NIS and serve as a shared addressbook on my little home LAN. I wouldn't say it was easy, but I don't consider myself a once-in-a-lifetime genius and I was able to get it up and running with only the documentation I could find online.
I'm sure a professional LDAP admin would laugh at my setup, but it serves my purposes and is easy enough to maintain. A steep initial learning curve? Sure. Unlearnable by a reasonably bright admin with a desire to figure it out? Nah. I don't think it was any worse than Apache or Sendmail.
I know you're joking, but for me that's the truth. My wife wanted to record a Realaudio stream from a site to burn to CD via her Mac. I'm not aware of any other gratis means of doing this, let alone libre methods. I'd much rather whip up a little wxPython GUI to mplayer that I can share with others than spend time and money finding similar functionality elsewhere.
By the way, if such a thing already exists: this first came up late last night and I'd forgotten about it until I read the grandparent post, so it's not like I've spent much effort in the search.:-)
I'm surprised no one else mentioned that. I use my.yahoo.com as my browser's home page and have for years. It's a single page with my local weather forecast, stock quotes, local sports scores, and news items from the sources I'm interested in.
I haven't used Yahoo!-the-search-engine since I discovered Google, but Yahoo!-the-portal is actually one of my favorite sites.
I own a small company and am motivated to make as much money as possible while treating my customers and vendors ethically and acting responsibly. Those aren't "ideals" or "goals", but the rules I do business by. Yeah, I want to make money, but not at the expense of my integrity.
People who make bizarre blanket statements like that are often projecting their own expected behaviors onto others. To be honest, your comment says more about your own ethics than others'.
IF they did this and found it to be the same, could pear counter-sue for reverse engineering? Would it hold up in court?
If they were found to have illegally used the PearPC code, then they wouldn't have a legal right to place those restrictions on CherryOS in the first place. I don't think that'd be much of a problem for the PearPC folks.
You know, I'm increasingly sure you're right. I know that we Republicans don't exactly have a pro-drug reputation, but I can't really think of a single reason not to legalize pot. By that, I mean that I honestly don't see how smoking pot is worse for the individual or society than drinking alcohol, yet we spend $BIGNUM fighting the former while the latter is advertised during the Super Bowl.
I've been thinking about this a bit lately. Even if pot were legalized, I'd stay away from it and try to teach my kids to do the same, but I guess I don't remember why it's supposed to be bad for my neighbors to use it (assuming that it were legal and they didn't have to associate with drug dealers to obtain it). Is it really any more of a "gateway drug" than liquor?
If a gas station was selling gasoline with sugar in it (very bad for your car engine)
No, it's not. Personal datapoint: some idiot put a bunch of sugar into my '68 Mustang's tank when I was in high school. I ran a couple of bottles of fuel treatment through just to be safe, but never noticed anything at all.
Entrapment involves the other party coercing you into wrongdoing that you wouldn't ordinarily commit. That's why police can conduct drug and prostitution stings - they're not making you buy the crack or chat up the prostitute. On the other hand, John DeLorean (of car fame) was acquitted of criminal charges because it was found that the police basically forced him into committing a crime that he didn't want any part in.
Giving someone enough rope to hang themselves isn't entrapment, even if it's not particularly nice.
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Out of curiosity, why do you use it? There are other mailers out there that perform well, have good security records, and are easier to configure, so why stick with qmail? Does it have some good features that you don't want to give up?
IANAL, but giving someone the opportunity to violate the law and then holding them responsible for doing it isn't entrapment. Entrapment includes an element of coercion, such as police threatening to arrest your kids if you don't sell drugs for them. That's why drug and prostitution stings are legal: the police are providing the ability to break the law, but aren't making people do so.
Good luck with your qmail coercing. If you ever get tired of it, take a look at Postfix's configuration sometime. It was like a breath of fresh air after messing around with Sendmail's m4 system for years.
Ignorant.
...gets "Informative"? WTF?!? Funny, sure, but (hopefully) not informative.
According to one timeline, that would mean a 120MHz Pentium. If you honestly think modern authors should limit the functionality of their software to ensure it runs well on a barely-three-digit-MHz 586, then you're insane and I have a RedHat 4 CD that may interest you.
I didn't mean that as a limit to its usefulness. I just meant that anything newer is pretty much guaranteed to run KDE well, although older hardware may be perfectly fine.
People who slag Gnome and KDE regarding speed seem to be under the bizarre impression that they're just GUIs, when they're actually far, far more. That's why I recommended XFCE for people with slow systems. It's more of a traditional window manager-type system - albeit with some pretty nice additional utilities - and runs great on my K6-3/333 laptop. You can't possibly compare a stripped down system like XFCE or Windows 98 to a full blown desktop environment, though.
It runs fine on anything made in the last four years. If your system is older than that and it's too slow for you, try XFCE. The rest of us KDE and Gnome users will welcome you into the fold the next time you upgrade.
Too bad. Those other filters catch huge amounts of spam with very few false positives. I love SA and ClamAV and recommend them whole-heartedly, but not as the first check on a server.
Anyone who can't be bothered to download something more recent - and using IE in the first place implies that they have a network connection - is either running an ancient POS out of poverty conditions and can't afford your product; is just plain stubborn and would be a pain-in-the-neck customer that costs you more in support than you'd earn off them; or is technically illiterate and using a system their kid set up for them in '96 and probably won't be buying from the Interweb anyway. I don't think badly of people in the first and third categories, but the economic truth is that you're supporting them at a net loss to your own profits.
It's just too expensive to support those who can't or won't maintain their own system and who probably aren't your target demographic anyway. Why keep throwing good money after bad?
That looks like it'd do exactly what I want, but it's hardly gratis or libre by any definition. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, but that's not what I'm looking for. Thanks for the pointer, though.
That's not insightful - that's stupid. I'm a Republican. Is it OK if I add "no animal rights groups, Democratic party members, or government organizations can use my stuff" and still claim that it's F/OSS? Why? Either every can use it, or it's not Free. There's no in-between.
I think it comes down to what you've grown up with and what your expectations are. I was raised in a completely different environment and have equal and opposite tastes in the matter. Don't assume that your "food culture" is inherently superior to mine, and I'll try not to do the same. Deal?
At this exact moment in time, Yahoo! returns an admittedly puny set of 8 matches:
On the other hand, dmoz just bluescreened:
I think I'd have to give the Least Lame Award to the meager "8" over the hypothetical "many".
I'm sure dmoz has a lot going for it, but there's a lot to be said for those massive, soulless corporate server farms and their boring 24-7 availability.
If everything was well-written and accounted for differing word lengths, byte orders, etc. then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Unfortunately, that's not the case. On the plus side, Debian's dedication to platform equality means that a lot of bugs get exposed (and fixed) that no one would ever know about if the world only ran x86. This is a good thing for everyone, even those where that software already worked as expected.
I kind of have to disagree. I set it up to replace NIS and serve as a shared addressbook on my little home LAN. I wouldn't say it was easy, but I don't consider myself a once-in-a-lifetime genius and I was able to get it up and running with only the documentation I could find online.
I'm sure a professional LDAP admin would laugh at my setup, but it serves my purposes and is easy enough to maintain. A steep initial learning curve? Sure. Unlearnable by a reasonably bright admin with a desire to figure it out? Nah. I don't think it was any worse than Apache or Sendmail.
By the way, if such a thing already exists: this first came up late last night and I'd forgotten about it until I read the grandparent post, so it's not like I've spent much effort in the search. :-)
I haven't used Yahoo!-the-search-engine since I discovered Google, but Yahoo!-the-portal is actually one of my favorite sites.
People who make bizarre blanket statements like that are often projecting their own expected behaviors onto others. To be honest, your comment says more about your own ethics than others'.
If they were found to have illegally used the PearPC code, then they wouldn't have a legal right to place those restrictions on CherryOS in the first place. I don't think that'd be much of a problem for the PearPC folks.
You know, I'm increasingly sure you're right. I know that we Republicans don't exactly have a pro-drug reputation, but I can't really think of a single reason not to legalize pot. By that, I mean that I honestly don't see how smoking pot is worse for the individual or society than drinking alcohol, yet we spend $BIGNUM fighting the former while the latter is advertised during the Super Bowl.
I've been thinking about this a bit lately. Even if pot were legalized, I'd stay away from it and try to teach my kids to do the same, but I guess I don't remember why it's supposed to be bad for my neighbors to use it (assuming that it were legal and they didn't have to associate with drug dealers to obtain it). Is it really any more of a "gateway drug" than liquor?
No, it's not. Personal datapoint: some idiot put a bunch of sugar into my '68 Mustang's tank when I was in high school. I ran a couple of bottles of fuel treatment through just to be safe, but never noticed anything at all.
Giving someone enough rope to hang themselves isn't entrapment, even if it's not particularly nice.