I head people say this "we've got to push Apple, force them back into cloning" and I think to myself. What are they smoking? What are you pushing Apple with? Your decision not to buy any more of their computers? Well, if enough people did this it would put them out of busniness. But so would allowing other companies to skim the cream of their hardware business while Apple pays for all the R&D. What's that you say? Forget about hardware and just do what it does well, the MacOS? Sorry to bring reality into this discussion but the MacOS doesn't have enough marketshare to enable Apple to survive on software alone. To win in the OS only business you've got to have a monopoly or be free. Apple needs its hardware as much as its software. That's a part of its success, its an integrated package, that is why it does what it does very well. cheers, Matthew Reilly
I dunno, but I haven't seen anything that says the bug occurs at exactly 500MHz. Just because the 450's run fine and the 500's don't doesn't mean you can run it at 499.5 and expect it to work, it's not logical.
You are wasting your breath. The majority of people here on Slashdot don't discuss Apple with an open mind. Apple is bad, Linux is good. They remind me of gear heads defending their Fords at the expense of all Chevys, you can't change their minds.
I'm afraid your speaking to the wrong audience. Slashdot readers only want an open and diverse operating system market as long as it's all based on Linux. Other OS's need not apply.
The reason imagesetters have to have such a high resolution to produce great looking output is that their "dots" can only be on or off and have to rely on some method of dithering to achieve levels of gray/colors. You don't really need 2540 dpi to produce smooth text but you do need it if you want to produce continuous tone images at a decent sharpness. With a display you can change the intensity of each pixel and achieve smooth transitions at a lower resolution. cheers, Matthew Reilly
Throw things like Beowulf into the mix and the sorts of things that Apple has been showing off no longer really need a single box to be that powerful. Even without Beowulf, rendering is the sort of thing that parallelizes quite well with a collection of cheaper, less powerful machines.
$3500 buys a lot of machine for a PII based renderfarm these days.
Cool! That sounds great! Has Adobe released Photoshop for Beowulf yet? Oh, the Gimp, that does CMYK right? Can I edit & composit digital video on it?
Today's lesson is: Use the right tool for the job.
Umm, no. They know that a lot people who use Macs need to get certain kinds of tasks done quickly and easily. I work all day on one and it does what I need it to do. When I get my G4, it'll do it faster. Please tell us, what tasks do you use for computer for? Or is the computer then end in and of itself? There is nothing wrong with that, just don't put down other people who actually need to get things done and don't want to spend all their time trying to figure out who to do it.
I'm not being facetious, tell us what you do with your computer.
I am psyched about Generic PPC mobos. Lets see... freeBSD/BSD/Darwin, LinuxPPC, Mac OS X Server and Client, Be(mayBe)...OS/2, others?;) These things are going to ROCK! Any word if AGP, Firewire or even USB are going to be part of this architecture? Is the IBM architecture the same as the CHRP stuff from years ago? Has there been continued development since then?
I think the designs are pretty plain vanilla and not very cutting edge any more. IBM is just releasing their design, any customization/updating up to the people that actually make the boards. I can't see anyone getting them up to the level of Apple's boards but hey, who knows?
I've got a Quadra 700 (what, like 8 years old or so?) running NetBSD as my firewall/router for my DSL connection. It does a serial console so I am able to run it headless. Of course it has to boot from Mac OS so I need Timbuktu if I need to do anything but reboot the thing (which I haven't done in a long time). I just set up a IIci (10 years old) for a friend for wp, email & browsing. Slow, but it works. I'll probably upgrade him some time soon but I don't know what to do with the IIci, I can't throw it away.
It may be CHRP based but I highly doubt it will have an Apple ROM on board. No ROM, no Mac OS.
I'm sure you could get Darwin to run on it but I'm sure Apple can an will prevent their proprietary pieces of Mac OS X (quartz & cocoa) from running on it.
You may be speculating, but you're certainly not stupid. I just wonder how they could make their OS a techies OS. Isn't that what linux, BSD, etc already are? I think that OS X is going to be amazing because of its ability to appeal to a wide range of technical abilities. You can have one-click buttons on one end and compile your favorite shell on the other. The thing is, I don't expect Apple to trumpet the fact, they'll always be talking about Mac OS's ease of use so as not to scare anyone away.
Why do I have this feeling that until just recently you had Windows installed on your machine and hung out in the Windows advocacy groups. Then you found out how "kewl" Linux was.
You post has the tone of someone who seriously thinks that that the OS they use, car they drive or beer they drink reflects what kind of person they are. It's just a tool, use it to do what you need it to do.
Another thing, this whole (tm) thing is really tired, give it a rest.
Why do you care? I'm serious, not trying to flame here. Explain to me why you care that Apple is so "proprietary." Do you use their software or hardware? Or is it just a sense of moral outrage?
I use their hardware and software on a daily basis, I'm a a graphic designer, and I have to say it does what it is supposed to do. I think the concept of open source software is great but I don't see any open source tools that I could do my job with so I use the proprietary ones. Apple has spent a great deal of money developing the tools I use, shouldn't they expect to get a return on them? They get their return selling their hardware for a premium. If this doesn't agree with you don't buy their stuff but you'll have a hard time doing print design without them. Now web design/production, that's another story.
Repeatedly, they have released new technologies (quicktime, qtvr, OpenDoc) only to see them fail because of lack of choice regarding hardware/platform and their marketing focus on their hardware. ------- Just a sec, quicktime? FAIL? It's the most widespread video software around, when did it fail?
Anothing thing to keep in mind is that the reason Mac OS works (for the most part) so painlessly is that Apple controls the hardware. They don't have to support the wide range of hardware that other OS do. I think it's great that IBM is releasing the specs for these mobos (I don't think they will be making any themselves.) They'll make some nice servers. I really doubt that even Mac OS X will run on them. Apple has pared their new motherboards down to a much simpler boot rom so I guess it would be physically possible but I really can't see them cutting their own throats by letting people get the Mac experience and not buy their hardware from Apple. Gee, we could sell a $90.00 OS CD-ROM or $1,500-$4,000 worth of hardware. And before everyone starts screaming about how proprietary Apple is let's just remember that if you don't want to run Mac OS, don't. Linux is just as good a desktop system, right?
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Believe me, I'm not jealous. I don't own a car at all, I don't want to own one. I just think it's stupid to spend a great deal of money on something that not only is unecessary but also degrades my quality of life by polluting the air, wasting space and make idiots feel like they are invicible while they control 2 tons of hurtliing steel.
Actually, my Supermac C600 (603e) has run LinuxPPC, I'm pretty sure it can run MKLinux & I'm working on getting NetBSD/ppc to boot. As long at the box is PCI based you shouldn't have a problem with it.
I don't have anything against the news tidbit being posted or there being a lively, intelligent discussion. But that's not what is happening. Just a lot of juvenile, my car/penis/OS is better than all others posturing. This is what I meant by it being/. at it's worst. No matter what discussions start out as they usually devolve to this.
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I head people say this "we've got to push Apple, force them back into cloning" and I think to myself. What are they smoking? What are you pushing Apple with? Your decision not to buy any more of their computers? Well, if enough people did this it would put them out of busniness. But so would allowing other companies to skim the cream of their hardware business while Apple pays for all the R&D. What's that you say? Forget about hardware and just do what it does well, the MacOS? Sorry to bring reality into this discussion but the MacOS doesn't have enough marketshare to enable Apple to survive on software alone. To win in the OS only business you've got to have a monopoly or be free. Apple needs its hardware as much as its software. That's a part of its success, its an integrated package, that is why it does what it does very well. cheers, Matthew Reilly
I dunno, but I haven't seen anything that says the bug occurs at exactly 500MHz. Just because the 450's run fine and the 500's don't doesn't mean you can run it at 499.5 and expect it to work, it's not logical.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
You are wasting your breath. The majority of people here on Slashdot don't discuss Apple with an open mind. Apple is bad, Linux is good. They remind me of gear heads defending their Fords at the expense of all Chevys, you can't change their minds.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
The display system will be based on PDF with some other goodness from Pixar thrown in for good measure.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
Hey, hey, slow down there junior. Your post was pretty annoying the first time, posting it again with more paragraph space didn't help it any.
And no, you don't want an iMac, it would be a fatal blow to your fragile ego if you couldn't show off your arcane computer knowledge at ever turn.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
Yeah, but does it do Windows?
As if not running Windows was a bad thing.
By the way, you can emulate Windows, but I don't recomend it, not only is it not full speed, it's really, really creepy.
shudder
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
I'm afraid your speaking to the wrong audience. Slashdot readers only want an open and diverse operating system market as long as it's all based on Linux. Other OS's need not apply.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
The reason imagesetters have to have such a high resolution to produce great looking output is that their "dots" can only be on or off and have to rely on some method of dithering to achieve levels of gray/colors. You don't really need 2540 dpi to produce smooth text but you do need it if you want to produce continuous tone images at a decent sharpness. With a display you can change the intensity of each pixel and achieve smooth transitions at a lower resolution. cheers, Matthew Reilly
Throw things like Beowulf into the mix and the sorts of things that Apple has been showing off no longer really need a single box to be that powerful. Even without Beowulf, rendering is the sort of thing that parallelizes quite well with a collection of cheaper, less powerful machines.
$3500 buys a lot of machine for a PII based renderfarm these days.
Cool! That sounds great! Has Adobe released Photoshop for Beowulf yet? Oh, the Gimp, that does CMYK right? Can I edit & composit digital video on it?
Today's lesson is: Use the right tool for the job.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
Umm, no. They know that a lot people who use Macs need to get certain kinds of tasks done quickly and easily. I work all day on one and it does what I need it to do. When I get my G4, it'll do it faster. Please tell us, what tasks do you use for computer for? Or is the computer then end in and of itself? There is nothing wrong with that, just don't put down other people who actually need to get things done and don't want to spend all their time trying to figure out who to do it.
I'm not being facetious, tell us what you do with your computer.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
Welcome to the wonderful world of computer hardware.
cheers,
matthew reilly
Well, it's got a 2x AGP slot, plug in what you like, I'm sure the drivers will be here soon.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
Get over yourselves, the site would be overloaded even if it wasn't mentioned here. The G4's were just announced!!!
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
...Moto drags its feet on the one technology that might save PPC (AltiVec - where are you?!).
Nope, Avitec is Motorola tech, it is IBM who are dragging their feet on it. Apple's next gen. machines will contain Motorola G4's w/Avitec.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
I am psyched about Generic PPC mobos. Lets see... freeBSD/BSD/Darwin, LinuxPPC, Mac OS X Server and Client, Be(mayBe)...OS/2, others? ;) These things are going to ROCK! Any word if AGP, Firewire or even USB are going to be part of this architecture? Is the IBM architecture the same as the CHRP stuff from years ago? Has there been continued development since then?
I think the designs are pretty plain vanilla and not very cutting edge any more. IBM is just releasing their design, any customization/updating up to the people that actually make the boards. I can't see anyone getting them up to the level of Apple's boards but hey, who knows?
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
I've got a Quadra 700 (what, like 8 years old or so?) running NetBSD as my firewall/router for my DSL connection. It does a serial console so I am able to run it headless. Of course it has to boot from Mac OS so I need Timbuktu if I need to do anything but reboot the thing (which I haven't done in a long time). I just set up a IIci (10 years old) for a friend for wp, email & browsing. Slow, but it works. I'll probably upgrade him some time soon but I don't know what to do with the IIci, I can't throw it away.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
It may be CHRP based but I highly doubt it will have an Apple ROM on board. No ROM, no Mac OS.
I'm sure you could get Darwin to run on it but I'm sure Apple can an will prevent their proprietary pieces of Mac OS X (quartz & cocoa) from running on it.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
You may be speculating, but you're certainly not stupid. I just wonder how they could make their OS a techies OS. Isn't that what linux, BSD, etc already are? I think that OS X is going to be amazing because of its ability to appeal to a wide range of technical abilities. You can have one-click buttons on one end and compile your favorite shell on the other. The thing is, I don't expect Apple to trumpet the fact, they'll always be talking about Mac OS's ease of use so as not to scare anyone away.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
Actually junior, the top Apple G3 system is 450.
Why do I have this feeling that until just recently you had Windows installed on your machine and hung out in the Windows advocacy groups. Then you found out how "kewl" Linux was.
You post has the tone of someone who seriously thinks that that the OS they use, car they drive or beer they drink reflects what kind of person they are. It's just a tool, use it to do what you need it to do.
Another thing, this whole (tm) thing is really tired, give it a rest.
Why do you care? I'm serious, not trying to flame here. Explain to me why you care that Apple is so "proprietary." Do you use their software or hardware? Or is it just a sense of moral outrage?
I use their hardware and software on a daily basis, I'm a a graphic designer, and I have to say it does what it is supposed to do. I think the concept of open source software is great but I don't see any open source tools that I could do my job with so I use the proprietary ones. Apple has spent a great deal of money developing the tools I use, shouldn't they expect to get a return on them? They get their return selling their hardware for a premium. If this doesn't agree with you don't buy their stuff but you'll have a hard time doing print design without them. Now web design/production, that's another story.
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
Repeatedly, they have released new technologies (quicktime, qtvr, OpenDoc) only to see them fail because of lack of choice regarding hardware/platform and their marketing focus on their hardware.
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Just a sec, quicktime? FAIL? It's the most widespread video software around, when did it fail?
Anothing thing to keep in mind is that the reason Mac OS works (for the most part) so painlessly is that Apple controls the hardware. They don't have to support the wide range of hardware that other OS do. I think it's great that IBM is releasing the specs for these mobos (I don't think they will be making any themselves.) They'll make some nice servers. I really doubt that even Mac OS X will run on them. Apple has pared their new motherboards down to a much simpler boot rom so I guess it would be physically possible but I really can't see them cutting their own throats by letting people get the Mac experience and not buy their hardware from Apple. Gee, we could sell a $90.00 OS CD-ROM or $1,500-$4,000 worth of hardware. And before everyone starts screaming about how proprietary Apple is let's just remember that if you don't want to run Mac OS, don't. Linux is just as good a desktop system, right?
cheers,
Matthew Reilly
SUV=stupid ungainly vehicle
Believe me, I'm not jealous. I don't own a car at all, I don't want to own one. I just think it's stupid to spend a great deal of money on something that not only is unecessary but also degrades my quality of life by polluting the air, wasting space and make idiots feel like they are invicible while they control 2 tons of hurtliing steel.
Sorry, it's a sore spot with me.
matthew reilly
Actually, my Supermac C600 (603e) has run LinuxPPC, I'm pretty sure it can run MKLinux & I'm working on getting NetBSD/ppc to boot. As long at the box is PCI based you shouldn't have a problem with it.
cheers,
Matthew
I don't have anything against the news tidbit being posted or there being a lively, intelligent discussion. But that's not what is happening. Just a lot of juvenile, my car/penis/OS is better than all others posturing. This is what I meant by it being /. at it's worst. No matter what discussions start out as they usually devolve to this.