Tranquility Base: This is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has Landed. Jesus H. Christ, Houston. We're on the fucking moon. Over.
HOUSTON: Roger, Tranquility, we copy you. We cannot believe you are walking on the fucking moon. Repeat: Cannot Fucking believe it. Over.
Tranquility: It was a smooth touchdown. The moon, for Christ's sake, the moon. Over.
HOUSTON: Roger that. Roger that. You're clear for T1, walking on the moon.
Tranquility: We copy. Walking on moon. Jesus. Over.
Soon thereafter:
HOUSTON: Tranquility?
Tranquility: Holy (pause) living (long pause) fuck. (Long pause) Fuck!
HOUSTON: Tranquility, do you copy?
Tranquility: Are you fucking believing this? Over.
HOUSTON: We read you. Over.
Tranquility: I abso-fucking-lutely am standing on the surface of the fucking moon. I am talking to you from the god-damned fucking moon. Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket.
HOUSTON: Holy Shit.
Eh, the whole story is better, so go read it. Those are just a couple exerpts. Someone tell me why we could do it 35 years ago, but it would take 8 years to do it today? To those who would say it holds no value: screw you. It made the whole country (and large parts of the world) dream for a couple decades. Hell, for a few the dream has yet to die. There are value benefits you can't describe in a spreadsheet sometimes.
can I really say that a p2 will be too slow to use adobe acrobat 5.0, MS office2000, windows 2000, and view modern web pages? Yes. I can say that with a straight face without any problems at all.
computers aren't used as vi word processors, nor are they used as calculators. People need to be able to read/write standard documents, presentations, spreadsheets, etc on them. They use them to browse the internet to find things. They use them to read email.
A 486 takes an awfully long time to start up a semi-modern OS, which would be a requirement to do the above, and takes a REALLY long time to do any of the above. There's more to a computer than simply typing text.
ok, so you say you sent an email there, but then you chastize those that have sent emails there, saying they "just want to be in the spotlight." Um, ok.
I have a different theory: The people who write in just haven't thought about the possible consequences. The few dozen e-mails Mike shared with me don't read like the artfully revealing posts of hip, ironic webheads who socialize online. They seem like missives from people with overbooked offline lives who happened to be plopped in front of a computer.
I can accept that, to a point - my main system is a p3-700 laptop with a burned out backlight, connected to a lcd flatscreen. Works great for me. I make more than enough to replace it casually, I simply don't see the need.
The point is just don't donate the 486's. Don't even donate p2's, unless its for a firewall/webserver/etc and you will set it up for them. Dealing with old systems often times costs more in people-time dollars than just buying a new system. There really are new $199 systems out there.
do you mean to be stupid, or did you just never take high-school chemistry?
Uranium doesn't come out of the ground in the same state that it comes out of a reactor, and will kill anything, not just people.
Lead comes out in ores, like most metals do. It generally comes from galena ores. It certainly doesn't hang out as Pb naturally. The refining process that yeilds pure(ish) lead is not a natual one, nor is it reproduced in nature.
Mercury comes from cinnabar ore - again, not found in nature as plain old Hg. It causes more neurological damage than lead does, and does it quicker. It kills far more than just the weak fish. First, a creature should only be expected to adapt to things that are reasonable - Hg falling into its lap isn't a natural occurance. Second, it kills indiscriminately. It doesn't just kill the weak, it kills the strong, the fast, the smart, the slow, the dumb, the pretty, the ugly - pretty much just kills fish in general.
Do you really not understand that the state these things are in when used in manufacturing is quite different than the state they're in before we pull them from the ground? Do you not accept that there are consequences for actions?
Do you not get that Hg IS a chemical compound, and is quite different than the compound found in the cinnabar ore it was originally found in (HgS - Mercuric sulfide)? What part of this are you finding confusing? Did you ever take chemistry in high school, or anywhere else?
the point is that a donated 486 isn't helping the NPO, its hurting it. If your intention is to hurt the NPO, then by all means. The NPO shouldn't have to worry about cost averaging, or "paying for" their p3's with all the 486's. If you have a 486, take it to the appropriate recyclers. If its p3 or better, and WORKS PERFECTLY, donate it.
if I write a fucking script that, when executed, does a "rm -rf/," is that a virus? No, its not.
To "infect" yourself in unix, you have to be absolutely stupid. To do it in MS, all you have to do is open an email, browse a web page, or do any number of other simple things. If you don't understand the difference, then that's your problem not mine.
we've oft heard that the reason MS has so many security breaks is that its so prolific, and having more exposure causes it all the problems. Its not that linux/unix is better or more secure, say they, its that MS is more common.
Hogwash. The reason there are NO viruses for unix is because of structural differences in the OS. Anyone with half a brain knows this. If malware is installed on a unix box, it is completely because of the actions of an admin.
So when I read "that it is now big enough for malware" in regards to a solid project that has been around for years, and has had a wide userbase for quite some time, I'm a bit irked. I start to wonder when taco got his MCSE, and how much the microsoft advert $'s are getting to him. Call me cynical, but it's been big enough. Do not try to pass that horse crap. Secondly, the mozilla problem wasn't even a mozilla problem - mozilla was just running a MS product that had the problem.
Not saying unix/linux/oss et al. is "bulletproof," that it has no security problems, or whatever. But lets not make erroneous casual remarks, ok? They only serve to confuse people.
I could get a credit card with first name, last name. I could get another with first name, middle initial, last name. Could get another with first and middle initials, last full. Another with all three full.
All 5 would be legal, valid cards. All 5 would show up as seperate folks in the DB.
And what happens when the second "John Smith" signs up? Do you key it to just the card number itself? No one I know has only 1 card. They either have none, or several.
how nice of someone to create an account post in this crap, and claim (don't care if rightly) that they are the infamously stupid "winter." If its you, thanks for contributing to the gas shortage, to the brown air, and to the stereotype of programmers being geeks with no common sense or social skills.
better watch out; I got mod'd to 4, then down to 0 (troll!) for saying the same thing. I added the enviromental damage he's causing in his STUPID quest too though - that might have been where I lsot people. Eh, who wants clean air.
he asks for the coffee for free - half-fill his old cup. The coffee isn't what costs him, its the opportunity cost of wasting all that time, and the cost of the gas, that are the real expenses.
I didn't suggest he had his own plane, dolt. When you book a flight though, you create demand that increases the supply. Even if he's just driving thousands upon thousands of miles, that's still an oil waste and major pollution source. There's no way he could keep up exclusively through driving, though...esp if he actually does work occassionally.
If, as an AC, you'd care to mention what in my post suggests to you that I don't do anything myself, that would be fabulous. Additionally, when I see something STUPID that harms me, YES, I will say its stupid. What would you think is better - hunting the guy down, and hitting him on the head with a rubber ducky? No, I think the resources under my control are better spent on other things, since not only would hunting him down be a waste of time and money, it wouldn't be in the least bit entertaining.
Did you note in the article that he admits that after a couple cups it tastes terrible, and that he daily gets to the point where he has to follow every sip of coffee with a gulp of water to get the foul taste out? Doesn't sound like entertainment to me, unless perhaps he's just masochistic.
what an absolutely great way to aide to the destruction of the environment. Do we REALLY need to go over, again, the damage caused by jet airliners?
One could "be different" is ways far less absolutely stupid. Take the money being spent on airfare, and open a homeless kitchen - that would be different, right?
Hopefully, eventually, we'll (as a group) stop thinking crap like this is cool. Its a blatant waste of natural and economic resources, and there are far better things to entertain ones self with than freaking coffee. Make a name by contributing to some breakthrough OSS project...volunteer with Habitat for Humanity...something. I have to breathe this damn dirty air too, you know - your rediculous quest does affect me.
do you know how simple it would be to do a detect, and on fail supply low power and look for only one signal (the enter key)? Do you really think that is that complicated? Certainly, don't do it once its past post - but we're talking about during post here, where things can easily be different.
yes, the "common man," pushed heavily by MS's need for fresh money every year and also by the gaming industry, has pushed the PC to places we didn't expect 20 years ago.
But today isn't 20 years ago - he has the storage today. A simple mirror would yield 800Gb, which is 20x more than most people have anyway. The only people I ever see with a full hard drive are those who have Just stop and think about 800Gb. 20 years ago, people could imagine things that would take up that much space. Today, the only thing the "common man" would need that much space for is HD videos...and if they're dealing with HDTV, they're not going to whining about the costs of RAID.
Again - we're not talking about what he'll need in 20 years, or even what he'll need in 5 years - we're talking about what he needs today. If he doesn't want the expense of backup options (dvd would be cheap compared to the hassle and expense of getting a tape setup) and doesn't want to RAID, then he'll just have to accept data loss as a probability.
I've installed very large clusters, and multitudes of sunfires...but I have no problem getting all my vital stuff onto a single cdr. Email archives, documents...those things haven't really changed much. Buy the damn music cd's, and the dvd's, and then you don't need to back them up (or just DL it again if you lose them). Applications? App installs shouldn't be in the 1.6Tb space anway, but even if they are then reinstall is always better.
My point is that unless he's doing something illegal, is stupid, or both - a cdr (or at worst, a dvd) should handle everything without issues. Manage your data, figure out what is actually unique (documents, email archives, etc), and realize that they aren't really/that/ much bigger than they were 5 years ago. Plan backups appropriately.
I'm in a small city; BB is the only option for that sort of crap for the people here - sans the really small stores, which do have higher prices for the same items.
I was at the Mall recently, and was parked such that walking through BB made sense. The DVD racks are on the main aisle, so my wife and I paused to look through them. We saw a movie we had been wanting to buy - it was $22.95. We started to buy it when I noticed that there was a "holiday special" or some such - that same movie and another by the same main actor (we wanted that movie too) were in a pack for $19.95. So, save $3, get another movie. There was another such pack with 2 other movies we wanted for the same price, so we got it too.
While I would never go to BB before that day, I now start to think about it on holidays - just to check out the dvd bundles;)
at the moment, I get zero results for "Linux." However, I searched for "Microsoft," clicked next, and then it told me it couldn't find Microsoft. Seems like the "next" button isn't working right...at the moment.
Not that anyone expects stable, consistent results from a MS product...;) Sorry, had to say it.
My 9 year old s-10 that I abuse on a regular basis (its my thrash vehicle) still averages 23mpg at 180k miles, and its a 6 cyl. The est mpg on the sticker was 20/24, I think...something around in that spot. So, I'm still at the range it says.
People that claim they never get the EPA rating need to learn not to speed up and slow down as fast as possible. If you see the light is red a few hundreds yards away, don't accelerate just to stop. Try to keep inertia in mind - remember your high school physics!
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Tranquility Base: This is Tranquility Base. The Eagle has Landed. Jesus H. Christ, Houston. We're on the fucking moon. Over.
HOUSTON: Roger, Tranquility, we copy you. We cannot believe you are walking on the fucking moon. Repeat: Cannot Fucking believe it. Over.
Tranquility: It was a smooth touchdown. The moon, for Christ's sake, the moon. Over.
HOUSTON: Roger that. Roger that. You're clear for T1, walking on the moon.
Tranquility: We copy. Walking on moon. Jesus. Over.
Soon thereafter:
HOUSTON: Tranquility?
Tranquility: Holy (pause) living (long pause) fuck. (Long pause) Fuck!
HOUSTON: Tranquility, do you copy?
Tranquility: Are you fucking believing this? Over.
HOUSTON: We read you. Over.
Tranquility: I abso-fucking-lutely am standing on the surface of the fucking moon. I am talking to you from the god-damned fucking moon. Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket.
HOUSTON: Holy Shit.
Eh, the whole story is better, so go read it. Those are just a couple exerpts. Someone tell me why we could do it 35 years ago, but it would take 8 years to do it today? To those who would say it holds no value: screw you. It made the whole country (and large parts of the world) dream for a couple decades. Hell, for a few the dream has yet to die. There are value benefits you can't describe in a spreadsheet sometimes.
can I really say that a p2 will be too slow to use adobe acrobat 5.0, MS office2000, windows 2000, and view modern web pages? Yes. I can say that with a straight face without any problems at all.
A 486 takes an awfully long time to start up a semi-modern OS, which would be a requirement to do the above, and takes a REALLY long time to do any of the above. There's more to a computer than simply typing text.
I have a different theory: The people who write in just haven't thought about the possible consequences. The few dozen e-mails Mike shared with me don't read like the artfully revealing posts of hip, ironic webheads who socialize online. They seem like missives from people with overbooked offline lives who happened to be plopped in front of a computer.
The point is just don't donate the 486's. Don't even donate p2's, unless its for a firewall/webserver/etc and you will set it up for them. Dealing with old systems often times costs more in people-time dollars than just buying a new system. There really are new $199 systems out there.
Uranium doesn't come out of the ground in the same state that it comes out of a reactor, and will kill anything, not just people.
Lead comes out in ores, like most metals do. It generally comes from galena ores. It certainly doesn't hang out as Pb naturally. The refining process that yeilds pure(ish) lead is not a natual one, nor is it reproduced in nature.
Mercury comes from cinnabar ore - again, not found in nature as plain old Hg. It causes more neurological damage than lead does, and does it quicker. It kills far more than just the weak fish. First, a creature should only be expected to adapt to things that are reasonable - Hg falling into its lap isn't a natural occurance. Second, it kills indiscriminately. It doesn't just kill the weak, it kills the strong, the fast, the smart, the slow, the dumb, the pretty, the ugly - pretty much just kills fish in general.
Do you really not understand that the state these things are in when used in manufacturing is quite different than the state they're in before we pull them from the ground? Do you not accept that there are consequences for actions?
Do you not get that Hg IS a chemical compound, and is quite different than the compound found in the cinnabar ore it was originally found in (HgS - Mercuric sulfide)? What part of this are you finding confusing? Did you ever take chemistry in high school, or anywhere else?
the point is that a donated 486 isn't helping the NPO, its hurting it. If your intention is to hurt the NPO, then by all means. The NPO shouldn't have to worry about cost averaging, or "paying for" their p3's with all the 486's. If you have a 486, take it to the appropriate recyclers. If its p3 or better, and WORKS PERFECTLY, donate it.
To "infect" yourself in unix, you have to be absolutely stupid. To do it in MS, all you have to do is open an email, browse a web page, or do any number of other simple things. If you don't understand the difference, then that's your problem not mine.
Hogwash. The reason there are NO viruses for unix is because of structural differences in the OS. Anyone with half a brain knows this. If malware is installed on a unix box, it is completely because of the actions of an admin.
So when I read "that it is now big enough for malware" in regards to a solid project that has been around for years, and has had a wide userbase for quite some time, I'm a bit irked. I start to wonder when taco got his MCSE, and how much the microsoft advert $'s are getting to him. Call me cynical, but it's been big enough. Do not try to pass that horse crap. Secondly, the mozilla problem wasn't even a mozilla problem - mozilla was just running a MS product that had the problem.
Not saying unix/linux/oss et al. is "bulletproof," that it has no security problems, or whatever. But lets not make erroneous casual remarks, ok? They only serve to confuse people.
I could get a credit card with first name, last name. I could get another with first name, middle initial, last name. Could get another with first and middle initials, last full. Another with all three full.
All 5 would be legal, valid cards. All 5 would show up as seperate folks in the DB.
And what happens when the second "John Smith" signs up? Do you key it to just the card number itself? No one I know has only 1 card. They either have none, or several.
name one such state, and the code that contains this provision.
how nice of someone to create an account post in this crap, and claim (don't care if rightly) that they are the infamously stupid "winter." If its you, thanks for contributing to the gas shortage, to the brown air, and to the stereotype of programmers being geeks with no common sense or social skills.
better watch out; I got mod'd to 4, then down to 0 (troll!) for saying the same thing. I added the enviromental damage he's causing in his STUPID quest too though - that might have been where I lsot people. Eh, who wants clean air.
he asks for the coffee for free - half-fill his old cup. The coffee isn't what costs him, its the opportunity cost of wasting all that time, and the cost of the gas, that are the real expenses.
how did he drive to europe, and asia? There must be some really freaking long bridges and/or tunnels I don't know about
who's the idiot? Why don't you read the article.
do you understand supply/demand? Fewer planes will fly if fewer people are in them.
If, as an AC, you'd care to mention what in my post suggests to you that I don't do anything myself, that would be fabulous. Additionally, when I see something STUPID that harms me, YES, I will say its stupid. What would you think is better - hunting the guy down, and hitting him on the head with a rubber ducky? No, I think the resources under my control are better spent on other things, since not only would hunting him down be a waste of time and money, it wouldn't be in the least bit entertaining.
Did you note in the article that he admits that after a couple cups it tastes terrible, and that he daily gets to the point where he has to follow every sip of coffee with a gulp of water to get the foul taste out? Doesn't sound like entertainment to me, unless perhaps he's just masochistic.
One could "be different" is ways far less absolutely stupid. Take the money being spent on airfare, and open a homeless kitchen - that would be different, right?
Hopefully, eventually, we'll (as a group) stop thinking crap like this is cool. Its a blatant waste of natural and economic resources, and there are far better things to entertain ones self with than freaking coffee. Make a name by contributing to some breakthrough OSS project...volunteer with Habitat for Humanity...something. I have to breathe this damn dirty air too, you know - your rediculous quest does affect me.
do you know how simple it would be to do a detect, and on fail supply low power and look for only one signal (the enter key)? Do you really think that is that complicated? Certainly, don't do it once its past post - but we're talking about during post here, where things can easily be different.
the point was that you needed to plug the damn keyboard in, then press enter (or f1, or whatever). The parent post tried to make that clear.
But today isn't 20 years ago - he has the storage today. A simple mirror would yield 800Gb, which is 20x more than most people have anyway. The only people I ever see with a full hard drive are those who have Just stop and think about 800Gb. 20 years ago, people could imagine things that would take up that much space. Today, the only thing the "common man" would need that much space for is HD videos...and if they're dealing with HDTV, they're not going to whining about the costs of RAID.
Again - we're not talking about what he'll need in 20 years, or even what he'll need in 5 years - we're talking about what he needs today. If he doesn't want the expense of backup options (dvd would be cheap compared to the hassle and expense of getting a tape setup) and doesn't want to RAID, then he'll just have to accept data loss as a probability.
I've installed very large clusters, and multitudes of sunfires...but I have no problem getting all my vital stuff onto a single cdr. Email archives, documents...those things haven't really changed much. Buy the damn music cd's, and the dvd's, and then you don't need to back them up (or just DL it again if you lose them). Applications? App installs shouldn't be in the 1.6Tb space anway, but even if they are then reinstall is always better.
My point is that unless he's doing something illegal, is stupid, or both - a cdr (or at worst, a dvd) should handle everything without issues. Manage your data, figure out what is actually unique (documents, email archives, etc), and realize that they aren't really /that/ much bigger than they were 5 years ago. Plan backups appropriately.
I was at the Mall recently, and was parked such that walking through BB made sense. The DVD racks are on the main aisle, so my wife and I paused to look through them. We saw a movie we had been wanting to buy - it was $22.95. We started to buy it when I noticed that there was a "holiday special" or some such - that same movie and another by the same main actor (we wanted that movie too) were in a pack for $19.95. So, save $3, get another movie. There was another such pack with 2 other movies we wanted for the same price, so we got it too.
While I would never go to BB before that day, I now start to think about it on holidays - just to check out the dvd bundles ;)
does the "common man" need 1.6TB?
How about doing the raid bit with what you already have.
Not that anyone expects stable, consistent results from a MS product... ;) Sorry, had to say it.
My 9 year old s-10 that I abuse on a regular basis (its my thrash vehicle) still averages 23mpg at 180k miles, and its a 6 cyl. The est mpg on the sticker was 20/24, I think...something around in that spot. So, I'm still at the range it says.
People that claim they never get the EPA rating need to learn not to speed up and slow down as fast as possible. If you see the light is red a few hundreds yards away, don't accelerate just to stop. Try to keep inertia in mind - remember your high school physics!