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ryuzaki0
on from the because-ms.-right-pursues-me dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Slate has a story about the guy who registered tired.com in 1997 and put up on the home page "Are you tired? Tell us why." He's collected 32,000 emails from tired people, including an one from a Navy ship at sea that's too good to be fake."
because it's 11:19 AM MEST at the moment... kudos to whomever on the slashdot staff decided to post this story at the right time for it, at least on the East Coast;-)
at least here in middle europe;-)
Haha, I really wish he would publish some of those..just the ones with humor, such as the navy one. Nothing too personal..if you've read grouphug, you'll know what I mean.
I'm tired of all you foreigners who think you are so special with your own time zones.
I'm tired of all of these divisive things that separate us, instead of bring the world together. I'm tired of the metric system, different languages, and different currencies.
I hope the U.N finally ratifies Resolution 1325E so that the world all has one standardized language, measurement systems, currency and time zone.
I am tired of people who toss in fake links to add credibility to their moronic posts. I'm tired of moderators who don't think I am funny.
It really doesn't excuse blatant stupidity (or perhaps it's just extreme centricity) though.
Personally I work for a large router company with a 24x7 global tech support team and I'm based in Australia. I can't remember the number of times I've had to explain that while its summer up in America, its actually winter down here in Australia, and this is primarily to techs working for large companies who I would have thought at least had some education...
Tell me about it. I've been up since 3am trying to track down the "owner" of a database for a problem that's not mine to begin with. I feel like the ugly frickin duckling: "Are you my DBA?" Waddle waddle waddle "Are YOU my DBA?"... someone shoot me
Support desk just woke me too, presumably becuase they couldn't be bothered to wake up the person responsible.
Damn 9-5 5 days a week. Can't they see my office door is closed.
Re:why i'm tired
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CastrTroy
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I can assure you, that if the world standardizes on a measurement system, it will be metric, or something close to it. The only country stuck in the old ways is the US of A.
--
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Homer: Wait wait wait, so in August it's cold?
Lisa: That's right.
Homer: And in February, it's hot?
Lisa: Mmhmm.
Homer: So it's opposite land! Crooks chase cops, cats have puppies!
Lisa: No, dad, it's just the weather.
Homer: So hot snow falls up?
Lisa::sighs: Yees.
Damn 24x7x365 availability... they'll be trying to page me out even after I'm dead.
I'm tired of explaining people why '24x7x365' just DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!
Re:why i'm tired
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Anonymous Coward
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This was interesting: "I gave into the temptation of the flesh - of the body - and took advantage of a young girl - far too young to understand what my lust was demanding. I took her innocence - without violence - and I continued to abuse her over a period of four months. I have no exuse other than I gave into a dark, evil temptation and became sexually excited by young girls and their innocence. This demon is now dead however. Love has killed it. I am no danger to young girls, and ask for forgiveness for my lack of control and weakness."
Re:why i'm tired
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Anonymous Coward
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This one cracks me up...
I was on my laptop and sitting on the floor and fired up this site. I started masturbating and looked up and saw my dog staring at me. I freaked out and screamed like a little girl.
I guarantee you the Dollar and the Euro are both used more, and both their values affect the global economy way more. Oil is priced in U.S. $.
Ain't no-one care if the Rupee drops another couple of basis points.
In terms of use, recognizability (sp), and world-wide acceptance, the U.S. Dollar is far more practical. Even now, everywhere I go (Egypt, India, Canada) the u.s. dollar is accepted without hesitation, even in remote areas where currency exchanges don't dot the land-scape.
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MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward Wednesday April 20, @4:20
Actually english would still come up ahead. The population of India speaks english (as either a first or second language). Since India has about half the population of China and the bulk of the rest of the world uses english as a first or second language, english is the lingua franca of todays world.
Oh please, that form of currency will surely collapse. Too many people store their rupees in jars and scatter them around the place for anybody to find!
So, a game where everyone touches the ball with their feet shouldn't be football, but a game where one or two people touch the ball with their feet should be football?
To take that even a step further, there is at least one country in South America that has decided to move to the US dollar as their standard for of currency. Apparently the logic being that the dollar is a stable currency, something that few developing countries have. This provides a foundation upon which goods and services can be based. A person can save money and actually know that it will have meaningful value at some point in the future.
Is it just me or did that paper have no mention on any of those issues?
-Lucas
Re:why i'm tired
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Anonymous Coward
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Found this:
07/08/2004 at 17:48:20
I want you with every part of my being. I don't care that you're dead; you still haunt me.
'nuff said. Nice tip, though.
Re:Why I'm tired
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Sebastopol
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Sounds like my highschool experience, except move the 10 hours of yearbook on to the 10 hours of stage crew (sound director junior year). I worked 24 hours a week, not 30, that would have made a big difference in my sanity.
People will always pester you for being competent. That's one thing you don't want to spoil. Don't become a prick computer guru who think's his shyt don't stink. Just be practical, don't jump through hoops, but don't blow them off. This will benefit you later in life (how you get along with people counts for way more than you can imagine later on in your job, you'd be surprised). I'm not saying kiss ass, just don't overextend yourself.
"I'm tired of spending three hours letting you talk to me about your adonis."
Dude, ditch her ASAP. She's not a friend, she's a liability. Don't play the sucker role of nice guy, it doesn't give you any fun memories as an adult, just makes you feel embarassed for wasting your teen years being some hottie's whipping boy. You can even be rude about it: she doesn't matter, 1 year in college and you'll barely talk to these people, 2 years and they become old photographs, plus she'll benefit from the lesson it teaches her. (Gee, do _I_ sound bitter or what!;-)
"I know I bring my work upon myself, but I feel I'm not being paid back for my work."
No offense, but once you lose this ingrained sense of entitlement, you won't be so mad at your job. I know people who bitch about how small their bonuses are, for real! It's free money and they complain. Just find something you like to do and hope it pays enough. If it doesn't pay enough, find cheap hobbies and learn to cook.
Sorry for turning/. into Dear Abby, but your situation sounded very familiar to mine, and I graduated 15 years ago (it TOTALLY flew by).
Stage Manager, next year's the third year running. The times given were average...so during a major production (most recently, Les Miz), I don't work a job, but put in around 40hrs/wk on the show. I'm just tired of everyone expecting me to help them, but not getting anything back.
Your comment about my ingrained sense of entitlement took me by surprise. I never really looked at it that way. Maybe I do have that. Maybe I just expressed myself incorrectly. I'm not asking them to suck up to me, I just want them not to criticize me for doing something slightly different than my predecessors. Constructive criticism is welcomed, not destructive....but in retrospect, I think I see what you mean....but am I wrong for wanting something back?
-- --<Mike>--
Re:Why I'm tired
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syrinx
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The majority of the/. community, I'd say is smarter than average
Here in the UK we use imperial too, and long may it continue.
Re:why i'm tired
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Anonymous Coward
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From that website:
07/10/2004 at 22:16:44
I was once caught masturbating in a public bathroom. This random black guy stuck his head under the stall next to me and was watching me for more than 30 seconds before I realised he was there. I saw his face there and I froze. He said "Hi" and raised his eyebrows. I got the hell out of there as fast as I could.
You Forgot Liberia and Burma the other two countries not on the metric system.
Re:why i'm tired
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Anonymous Coward
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yes
Re:why i'm tired
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Anonymous Coward
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Women will never be equal to men, anyone who works with them knows this. They fight, bitch, backbite and just behave irrationally. men can hate each other and work together. Women can like each other and not work together.
Most cultures in the world have realised that women need the guidence of men to stop them going off the rails. it is this new idea that women are equal that is wrong.
Im afraid to admit that I think Islam is right in this regard.
"but in retrospect, I think I see what you mean....but am I wrong for wanting something back?"
Ah... I thought you were referring to how much you were being paid for your job as head cashier, I think I misunderstood you. You will always get criticized, but it if is hostile criticism, than that person is an asshole and you can write them off, or try to communicate in their language and manipulate/convince them into seeing it your way. Some prefer manipulation, some are really good at constructive confrontations. Getting people to see things your way is very difficult, but is a valuable skill. And don't forget, there's always a small chance you might be wrong too and have trouble accepting that. I'm just putting that out there, not implying anything.
The idea of "wanting something back" is difficult concept. I'm having trouble remembering the last time I thought that, I was always rather happy with whatever people would give me, so maybe I've learned a healthy mode of denial and abuse, or maybe I've just learned to write off people who are of no benefit.
A wise mentor I once had as a teenager said: "There are two kinds of people in this world: people who want something from you, and people you want something from." True. Gotta learn who is going to help you and who isn't.
Er. what's the point ?
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vi+(editor)
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People are usually tired 'cos they didn't get enough sleep. In fact the condition "being tired" means that the body wants sleep. You don't need 32000 emails to track this phenomena.
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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marvy666
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What about ppl who get more then enough sleep and are still tired?
Gmail me up;]
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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Anonymous Coward
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Go see a doctor:-/
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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Bloody+Pulp
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People who get more than enough sleep and are still tired should consult their doctor.
Fatigue can be caused by wide variety of infections, nutritional deficiencies, and other physical and mental disorders.
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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lanswitch
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I slept very good last night. But after spending three ****ing hours on the phone with a help desk, I feel soo tired. Sleep won't help in this case, drinking might.
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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spectrokid
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I have plenty of sleep. Yet I am TIRED of my girlfriend asking me when I will get hold of a Gmail account for her..... send it to mpdc AT novozymes DOT com.
thanks
--
10 ?"Hello World" life was simple then
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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and
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Hi, you say you have GMail invite! I'd very much like one! plase send it to and2moeller AT yahoo.com tahnks!
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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Anonymous Coward
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Not always the case...
If you're drained of energy with no explaination, then sure, go see a doctor, but if you know why you're tired in spite of a good 6 to 9 hours of sleep each day, then a doctor may not be the right answer.
Assume you are getting enough sleep, and you are otherwise perfectly healthy. A stressful environment can really sap your strength. Pills and even counseling may make you appear to be more content, but the underlying problem may not be fully addressed- only masked.
Let's say you're struggling at work in an unexpectedly deadend job. At the time, you thought it was a promotion, but instead it was just a latteral move with slightly better pay that made moving any further up the ladder of success impossible. If you make any waves, they'll probably realize they can do nicely without you.
You make enough money to afford your family's present standard of living and there is no way for you to find another job at your current level of income. Your employer is unsympathetic and expects you to do your job to their satisfaction or be replaced by two lower payed employees. To them, you are not indespensable.
Your wife is having second thoughts because married life just isn't what she was expecting, and she refuses to have any discussions about it. She's itching for any excuse, and she's probably a bit smarter than you, and a hell of a lot more vendictive. She also has access to all your possessions including your bank account.
Your kids are doing fine, but you have no time for them because you are already putting in so many hours at the office. These days, they barely know you, but at least you get to see them most every day.
If you let your job fail, you lose your income, your wife will definitely leave you, and you'll probably end up losing your home, most of your posessions, what little access you have to your kids, and of course, any money in your next job will be going to child and spousal support, thus making your existence a living hell.
If you try to get your wife to help you, she'll just call you a wimp, chastise you, threaten to leave you, take the kids, and she'll find some way to have her attourney legally harass you until your employer fires you...
Hmmm... No way out unless you want to skip town and change your identity... But they'd probably find you anyway. It's a tough spot.
You come home each night, you eat well, you find time to excercise, and you get more than enough sleep. You're otherwise healthy, but you're tired. The good doctor isn't going to make it all better. In fact, getting you dependent upon some kind of medication may just screw your life up even more.
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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atomic-penguin
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Sleep won't help in this case, drinking might.
I once read the two most common causes of people oversleeping is Clinical Depression and Alcoholism. Drinking probably won't help in this case, you will still be worn out when you wake.
"Cheers, mate!"
-- /^([Ss]ame [Bb]at (time, |channel.)){2}$/
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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kf6auf
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I have a gmail invite....let me know (scottDOTmedlingATgmail) if she doesn't get one by this afternoon or so and I can invite her.
-scott
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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Jimmy+Breeze
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I consulted my doctor. He said 'I don't know' and charged me sixty bucks. Now I just wait whilst I slowly melt into the cup of coffee I can barely hold myself over.
I don't mind that he couldn't help me. I'm sure he's spending that money to work on creating cheaper anti-malarial drugs.
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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Anonymous Coward
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This is the best Slashdot rant I've ever read.
I was in less intense, but similar situation. I tried shrink. She prescribed a holiday. I took a holiday to Umhlanga Rocks, SA. She prescribed pills. I took the pills. Then I cracked up and changed jobs, took another week-long holiday to Sodwana Bay 1, 2,3, stopped seeing the shrink, got off the pills and finally, life is better.
Good luck AC.
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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bungeejumper
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I have 36, maybe more invites just sitting there.
No one to send them to.
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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Anonymous Coward
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If this is legit, damn it sucks to be you. I knew a guy who was in a similar spot. Once the kids graduated high school (like the week after), the wife divorced him and quickly married her long-time secret lover. It's because of women like this that I will marry ONLY with a prenuptial agreement.
If you let your job fail, you lose your income, your wife will definitely leave you, and you'll probably end up losing your home, most of your posessions, what little access you have to your kids...
You're seeing that you can't find real and lasting happiness from external things: posessions, status, even a mate. The good news is the fact that you see something is missing. But the trick is, only you can find out what that is! You might check out what some of the "Eastern" religions have to say about this -- the classical, Raj Yoga (see the Yoga Sutra) or Buddhism or Zen. I've found these practices to give me more focus, get more done in the normal work day -- and to enjoy my time when I'm off!
-- You only use 2% of your DNA
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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Anonymous Coward
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Either that or he's spending the money on more fake diplomas from shady medecin universities without physicial address.
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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Anonymous Coward
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This is the same kind of thinking that is prevalent in the CrimethInc initiative. Only they do something about it.
http://www.crimethinc.com/main/intro.html
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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marvy666
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whee forgot to add my email address
marv52/at/hotmail.com
Re:Er. what's the point ?
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Anonymous Coward
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Stop.
Just stop.
Stay in bed until getting out serves YOUR purpose.
Let your job fire you. Let your wife divorce you. Let yourself be evicted and become homeless and possetionless and lacking in all ties.
Then when no one WANTS TO own your ass and OWN you , then you can rebuild a life where you own you.
You remain a slave in all but name only as long as you play their game. REVOLT.
DO THE OPPOSITE of the expected (except do nothing illegal, jail is not your solution!)
If you are loved instead of owned, you will be helped instead of fired/divorced; in which case, allow yourself to be helped - you need the people in your life to be helpmates or gone.
I'm so tired, so i visited the site an.... ZZZzzzZZ NO CARRIER
I'm really busy
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isoprophlex
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I'm tired... I believe i might even be in there for sending an email to that address. It really amazes me that people don't have a care in the world to about what they post on the internet, who they send it too, what harm it does, and how many people it might hurt. I've seen too many Live Journal's in my time that are just all about slanderring and nothing more or less than that. I guess it's like the MSN news site says about that site www.tired.com is that people just want to be in the spotlight, or share there story's whatever the case. I'm tired of people that want this to happen to them. There is more to life than living/ wanting to be in the spotlight, isn't there?
Re:I'm really busy
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Anonymous Coward
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Not really.
IANAP, but would bet all my coins that the problem of these people is "simply" loneliness.
>There is more to life than living/ wanting to be in >the spotlight, isn't there?
no.
Re:I'm really busy
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Anonymous Coward
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If I RTFA first, I'd have known I share the opinion with the author of the article:
There's no guilty thrill of public catharsis. Tired.com isn't another outlet for exhibitionists. It's an unexpected invitation to quietly complain about the same old same old to a stranger who might actually listen.
ok, so you say you sent an email there, but then you chastize those that have sent emails there, saying they "just want to be in the spotlight." Um, ok.
I have a different theory: The people who write in just haven't thought about the possible consequences. The few dozen e-mails Mike shared with me don't read like the artfully revealing posts of hip, ironic webheads who socialize online. They seem like missives from people with overbooked offline lives who happened to be plopped in front of a computer.
Re:I'm really busy
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Apreche
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Word. I am also anti-Live Journal. Sure its not Live Journal itself that is bad. It is possible to use LJ in a way that is fine. Like a normal blog for instance.
However, the most often use of LJ I see is this. People bitch about how shitty their lives are, or they bitch and blame others about shitty daily happenings in their lives. They also obfuscate names of people and places very poorly so anyone who knows them can figure it out. Lastly they voice the opinions they don't have the balls to voice during the day to real people, because they don't hold water. They seek encouragement and sympathy from people around the world to make them feel better. Because no matter what your problem is, there is someone on the Internet who will tell you how right you are in order to make you feel not alone. And that one person telling you how right you are validates your existence despite your actual complete wrong-ness.
The other side effect of Live Journal that makes it really bad is this. People go around reading the Live Journals of others and form sort of this behind the back society. They never say something to a person in real life anything that was said in LJ. But they keep it in mind. No longer is it necessary to gossip about people like old maids. Just go around reading LJs of everyone you know and you can get the real deal.
I just feel that this whole culture surrounding things like Live Journal is so shallow and meaningless. I feel filthy every time someone links me to LJ and I go look at it. The same filth you feel when you accidentally look at the magazines in the checkout aisle. Just get it off me.
-- The GeekNights podcast is going strong. Listen!
Agreed, a lot of LiveJournals are outlets for whining about life but that's a bit of an unfair generalization.
I have a LiveJournal myself. I post the mundane day-to-day details of my life, no bitching involved. My journal is limited to my real-life friends and a few people who posted interesting, well-written entries to one of the communities I watch (customers_suck, for example). Most of the people on my friends list have similar journals.
Unfortunately, so many journals on the site are as you've described that they set the tone for the site and weblogs in general. I don't believe it's the idea or the code that's the problem, it's the culture surrounding the current incarnation of the idea. One doesn't see this sort of behaviour on technical weblogs, for example.
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My username does not make me Apathetic. It's irony, get it?
What I dislike about liveJournal is the general shallowness and that every other entry is a 'I took this Quiz, and I'm Mr. Orange from Reservoir Dogs' bit of idiocy.
I hadn't made it past that to the stuff you describe, which is even worse...
Re:I'm really busy
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Anonymous Coward
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I agree.
I can't say what's worse, though, LJ or Xanga. Xanga is one massive collection of psychotic asian girls who attempt to type cutely and spill their incoherent thoughts onto disgustingly laid out pages. Who needs 5 backgrounds and 3 music tracks, and 1000000 Xanga buddy people?
Geez.
Less bloat gives more trust
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Underholdning
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"No one bothers to write in anonymously [..] Gripes about husbands, wives, children, and commanding officers come signed with the sender's real name and address. Mike doesn't reply to these messages, and he doesn't publish them, but how do they know he won't? One theory he's encountered in his user-experience work: People trust simply designed sites."
There's a lesson to be learned here. Less bloat, more trust!
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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perrin
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It is the same with most hospitals and dentists' offices. They are strictly minimalist with simple, dull colours, to relax the mind and make you feel comfortable and safe.
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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ubercow
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perhaps this is why I trust google over the other search engines, less bloat..
but with that being said, does that mean I trust microsoft now that their search engine looks almost exactly like google's?
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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Anonymous Coward
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In case you haven't noticed, more and moresearch engines are jumping on the "simpler is better" bandwagon.
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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Anonymous Coward
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I am African Prince.
Give me money.
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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menkhaura
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I believe that the brands "msn" and "microsoft" are too loaded with evil to inspire trust.
-- Stupidity is an equal opportunity striker. Fellow slashdotter Bill Dog
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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jerith
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I don't necessarily trust simple sites more, but I'm far more inclined to use them. They load faster, there's less clutter to get in the way and I can accomplish whatever it is I'm after quicker. If www.tired.com was big and flashy I'd go away. As it is, I'm tempted to send an email, even if it's just a simple compliment on the site's design or concept.
For similar reasons I use fluxbox rather than KDE/Gnome and read a good book rather than watch TV. (Nothing against KDE or Gnome, I do quite like both of them and recommend them frequently, but for day-to-day work I prefer a mostly empty screen.)
I am quite happy to master necessary, and often even unnecessary but useful, complexity (I couldn't live without my HP RPN calculator) but I abhor wading through piles of garbage to find the stuff I need. I do enough of that already.
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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Anonymous Coward
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There's a lesson to be learned here. Less bloat, more trust!
I'd guess "more tired, more trusting" instead.
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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HexDoll
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It worked for Google
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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InfiniteZero
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Uh, maybe the short url helped a bit too? Somehow I don't think a website with an url like
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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InfiniteZero
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God, I'm tired just by looking at that url.
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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wik
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Here's one shining exception to the rule:
http://www.starbasedental.net/starbasedental4.ht ml
Now if I only lived in Florida...
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Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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chimpo13
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He's not in Trekkies 2. I don't know if they didn't bother trying to contact him or if he turned it down. Lots of the actors turned down the sequel because they didn't get paid much, if anything, for Trekkies.
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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nine-times
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I really liked that quote:
'No one bothers to write in anonymously [..] Gripes about husbands, wives, children, and commanding officers come signed with the sender's real name and address. Mike doesn't reply to these messages, and he doesn't publish them, but how do they know he won't? One theory he's encountered in his user-experience work: People trust simply designed sites.'
They didn't consider that people are being very honest without thinking of the consequences because they're.....hmmmm..... tired?
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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ericvids
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Oh, I trust you all right. Unfortunately, you didn't give me any way to contact you, so I cannot give you the money. Too bad.;P
-- Pet peeve: Profane people propagating perfunctory pedantry.
Then why do I trust these guys? http://www.refdesk.com/
-- My other sig is a Porsche!
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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pentalive
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Perhaps Mike is also logging email addresses. Garunteed live email address for sale to spammers!
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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sdcharle
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Actually I have sent emails to 419's saying, wrap it up please, I'm a busy man, and they are usually pretty defensive in the response: 'Are you stupid? Can I not make it any plainer...'
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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4of12
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I am African Prince.
Give me money.
I've heard of these scams. They have, like, a number that categorizes them.
The number is "4".
-- "Provided by the management for your protection."
Re:Less bloat gives more trust
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Wes+Janson
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I am African Prince.
Give me money
Sorry, you've not quite got the hang of it yet. Further optimization yields the following message:
Insomnia is a terrible affliction, but oddly enough it doesn't seem to be insomniacs writing into this guy, just people who have enough time to surf the web aimlessly. These people are tired of life, not tired in the needing sleep sense. They don't think they have enough time for themselves, or they just don't want to be where they are. Insomniacs don't type "tired" into their web browser, they just stay up all night trying to go to sleep.
You mean that because 5 out of 32,000 emails aren't insomniac mails, it is a logical following that none of the rest 31,995 are either? Flawless logic.
My sister had trouble with insomnia in high school. To get to sleep, she would lie on the floor with a pillow and watch TV (often the Discovery Channel or some such) until she fell asleep, usually around midnight-1am. She'd wake up a bit around 3-4 am, get into bed, and sleep til morning.
This wouldn't work for me-- I have trouble falling asleep in front of the TV (it tends to wake me up). But for her, I guess it distracted her mind from other things enough to let her fall asleep. My equivalent would be reading a book (especially one that doesn't require a lot of thought).
If you're having trouble sleeping because your mind won't slow down, try doing something that will distract you a bit. And don't do it in bed-- one thing they tell insomniacs is to make bed a place for sleeping only.
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Re:Kudos to slashdot?
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With all the times that this guy's email is being posted here for the spambots to harvest HE is going to be tired of reading spam.
-- Stop the world; I need to get off.
Re:Kudos to slashdot?
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The will probably get 32000 more in the next 7 hours.
32,000 messages about being tired of first posts, SCO, Microsoft, Goatse.cx, John Romero and fan boys. The poor guy is probably going to become very confused!
Work-Life Balance
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One reason that people are tired is that they are working excessive hours. Todays society risks repeating the same mistakes as the Victorian era; when children as young as ten would work alongside adults for 10 hours a day, 6 days a week.
The eight hour day / 40 hour week was one of the Labour movements' greatest victories, but this has been largely eroded in modern professional occupations. Many people work crazy hours. There is a whole culture that working yourself and your family into the ground is a good thing.
However some enlightened governments have strategies to deal with this- the issue of work/life balance has been big recently- check http://www.dol.govt.nz/worklife/index.asp or http://www.dti.gov.uk/work-lifebalance/what.html
Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?
Re:Work-Life Balance
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>> Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?
(estou cansado de comentar em inglês). Se você verificar a evolução da jornada de trabalho ela acompanha a evolução tecnológia. Por exemplo, a Revolução Industrial..com o advanço das máquinas a vapor, máquinas de tear..as fábricas passaram a funcionar 24hs..tecnologia é so um meio de aumentar a produção, acredito que dentro algumas decadas não existiram mais "noites", o dia será contínuo..que nem diria a campanha da compaq..24h non-stoping!
Re:Work-Life Balance
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Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?
Employers want full time employees, unemployment is strongly discouraged, we want more and better stuff, and we have a lot more rich people to carry around.
(I am tired to comment in English). If you to verify the evolution of the hours of working it follow the tecnológia evolution. For example, the Industrial..com Revolution advanço of the machines the vapor, machines of tear..as plants had started to function 24hs..tecnologia is so a way to increase the production, believes that inside some decadas had not existed "noites" more;, the day non-stoping will be contínuo..que nor would say the campaign of compaq..24h!
Re:Work-Life Balance
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"Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?"
Where have you been? All the unemployed walking the streets asking for change have lost jobs (or never had them) because the low paying jobs have all but been eliminated buy machines. The problem is: not everyone can be smart and rich; someone has to fill the low end jobs. To bad the jobs are all gone.
Anyway, that's what I'm tired of.
Re:Work-Life Balance
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Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?
Don't be cruel.:)
-- What's in a sig?
Re:Work-Life Balance
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Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?
Depends. Are you talking about the thousands of people who get fired for no reason? They're working less.
The people who work 70 hour days trying to start their own businesses so they can afford food and light and the people who are doing four people's job because more layoffs were just announced are working more.
Management is moving on to the salad course during the air-conditioned bonus announcement party. They're working less.
The customers are trying to figure out the voice mail menu. They're working more.
It would be nice if people could work less. It would be even nicer if work were pleasant instead of a giant fucking bitch-gripe grab the money contest.
-- Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
Re:Work-Life Balance
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If there is one thing that computers have done for society is to create more paper work, more clutter, and ultimately more jobs. Technology, is, a day of the life of most people. We live it, in the 60's they didn't. They didn't even know what a PC was, computers in cars, weren't even thought of yet (not to my knoweldge). But on the hindsight, i absolutely agree. I know one thing about the American Culture from living there for about 2.5 years (being an Australian and all). You people get 2 weeks paid holiday per year on average for full time work. We get 4 weeks! I do believe that the USA should first, change a lot of things along these lines. Maybe then, people will work better, faster, and computers will be used for more and more methods than what they are currently used for; Creating more paper.
Re:Work-Life Balance
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Employers want full time employees
At least until the end of the quarter.
-- Business isn't willing to pay for products, innovation and careers, so we get brands, mortgage commercials and layoffs.
Re:Work-Life Balance
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There's still a strong movement in Europe to tackle this. The 40 hour working week should, in the near future, be reduced further to 36 hours.
It's quite possible for us to reduce working hours and maintain the same levels of productivity and pay.
Of course alongside laws on working hours, we also need to tackle the culture of working at home, on the train, on holiday, at weekends, etc.
Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?
Politicians have "protected" our jobs by keeping machines from "stealing" them.
Re:Work-Life Balance
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Uhm... I think you woke up a bit too late...
The trend up untill two years ago was that work weeks would drop to 36 hours. A lot of government agencies all over europe have 36 hour weeks, and in some countries there are laws forcing companies to allow 36 hour weeks if employees want them (for less pay of course).
But now the trens is upwards again because we can't compete with the rest of the world if we only work 36 hours a week (or so they say).
See: this story about siemens increasing the work week of it's german workforce.
If you're going into negotiations with your employer now I'd pray he had his head in the sand the last few months.
Re:Work-Life Balance
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My rough translation of the babelfish translation;
(I am too tired to comment in English). If you follow the evolution of the number of hours worked it follows the evolution of technology. For example, in the Industrial Revolution with the advancement of machinery, factories started to function 24hrs a day. Technology is a way to increase production [fucked if I know] and the non-stop day will be here. Like in the add compaign for Compaq.
Or something...
Re:Work-Life Balance
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And thanks to babelfish again, here is my translated version translated back to Portugese.
eu sou demasiado tired comentar em inglês). Se você seguir a evolução do número das horas trabalhar segue a evolução da tecnologia. Para o exemplo, na volta industrial com o avanço da maquinaria, as fábricas começaram funcionar 24hrs um o dia. A tecnologia é uma maneira aumentar a produção [ fodida se eu souber ] e o dia non-stop estiver aqui. Como no compaign da adição para Compaq.
I recently achieved something I've dreamed of for 10-15 years: a 32-hour/week job. The bad news is that it doesn't include insurance, retirement contributions, paid vacations or even holidays, and the pay itself isn't great. But I finally have enough time and energy left to do things I want to do (including sleep). Heck, here it is 8:15am on a Wednesday, and I'm not/.ing on the sly at work; I'm/.ing openly at home!
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Re:Work-Life Balance
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Why? Because the second you take off after your 36-hour week, I will come in an hour or two earlier and maybe stay an hour or two later and get a little bit more done.
In a few months, the boss will recognize my extra effort and devotion and promote me and demote or fire you, (then you can have the whole week off!).
Sadly, in a few more months, the boss will recognize the value of having someone in another country doing both of our jobs for one tenth of the salary and we will both be out of work.
Cheers!
Re:Work-Life Balance
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> Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?
Technology. We've improved production to the point where we don't need as much unskilled or slightly-skilled labor. So we could reduce work weeks, but then we'd have a shortage of skilled labor (and who wants to learn skills if it just means you have to work more?) So rather than reducing the work week, we've had to reduce the supply in the labor market by mass imprisonment of the uneducated. In the United States, at least.
Re:Work-Life Balance
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Whatever happened to working less? I'll counter with a question: Why work less hours when you can keep the same hours and do more? Another reason we work excessive hours is that there are more white-collar jobs due to the automation process. Most of these jobs are salaried, not hourly. Salaried employees don't get overtime for more than their 40, yet are expected to work a minimum of 40. As a result, most managers expect a salaried employee to work 45+ hours per week. Why pay salary for five employees who work 40 hours a week when you can pay salary for four employees working 50?
Re:Work-Life Balance
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Yeah still only do 2 hours productive work / week though.
The problem is that in the US and parts of Europe (such as Britain) people in practice work as a rule (ie every week) 50h+/week without any payed overtime.
Interestingly enough, Britain, which is the place in Europe where workers work the most hours per week, actually has the lowest productivity per worked-hour in Europe.
There is an article in The Economist with the title "France's 35-hour work-week is fine, so long as it is voluntary". Unfortunatly is in their premium content section. If you have a subscription please read it, it's worth it.
The conclusion of the article is that the reduction from 40 to 35h/week in France in 2000 has had too little impact on reducing unemployement and slightly reduced overall economy productivity. Still, i want to call the attention for the following quote from the article: "French productivity, measured by output per hour, has indeed risen since 2000. Anecdotal evidence suggests that shorter hours at the office are paid for in fewer coffee breaks and smarter work habits."
Re:Work-Life Balance
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They even PLAN for you to work extra.
All my paid time off from work (vacation, holiday, illness) is in one pool of hours (35 days, or 280 hours). I'm currently on a contract where there is a REQUIRED number of hours to be worked per year: 1880 (235 days). Add it up: 235 days+35 days > 260 days (52weeks*5days). Don't forget all the other things you have to do that can't be billed to the contract, either! Did I mention that NOTHING is paid for hours worked beyond 40? Therefore, I can't afford to use all my paid leave.
Further discouragement to use leave comes from the fact you can roll-over no more than 40 hours from year to year. The rest is bought back.
I think their 10 hours included a much smaller commute and did not include breaks (since there weren't really any to speak of)
Tack in 45 minutes of lunch which you can't control, and and two hours of commuting, and you're up to 10:45 minutes, except you also have to handle the maintinence of your car, home, work clothes and lunch (if you bag it) on your own time and money.
10:45, now add in 8 hours sleep, an hour for making and eating breakfast and an hour for making and eating dinner... you're down to 20:45 minutes. We have 3:15 waking minutes per day ( 4:00 if you rush breakfast or dinner, but don't forget the dishes... or the mean time to get groceries) to use at our leisure... we might use it in a traffic jam, to get caught up on our sleep, maybe do some excercise so that our bodies don't deteriorate at our desk jobs.
I get the sense that North America is wasting a lot of time in the office though, doing dumb stuff like posting to Slashdot, since their jobs don't actualy require a 40 hour work week.
Ah. In the UK, at least, it's still 40 hours, under EU laws. I was referring to an EU-led effort to impose a 36 hour working week across the Union.
Depending on what your priorities are, the calls for longer working hours are either a sensible readjustment to maximise productivity, or a mistaken knee-jerk reaction. In my personal opinion, the potential benefits of moving towards long-term working hour reductions, and moving away from productivity being the sole measure of success, far outweigh the negatives.
In many green and left academic circles, there's growing enthusiasm for ideas like this, and even in some conservative circles (those concerned with conserving their values more than those solely concerned with productivity). The moves in Germany and other countries back to longer working hours could be short-term, or they could become the standard. It depends a lot on how the ideas of working hours pan out in terms of their viability and their effects on society, as well as other factors affecting the balance in political systems (i.e. who is in power, and what their agenda is).
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and back to english you go:)) I am too much tired to comment in English). If you to follow the evolution of the number of the hours to work follow the evolution of the technology. For the example, in the industrial return with the advance of the machinery, the plants had started to function 24hrs the one day. The technology is a way to increase the fodida production [ if I to know ] and the day non-stop I will be here. As in compaign of the addition for Compaq.
im so tired ...
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of never having stories accepted to slashdot that are much better than some of the garbage that comes through....
in order to maintain my record, i wish to remain anonymous;-0
Suicide Notes
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Wonder how many suicide notes the guy has received over the years?
Re:Red Hat earnings restatement ignored by slashdo
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Apparently you don't know what the word `hypocrite' means.
One sided? Yes. Hypocritical? No.
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Navy ship email
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"Tired of being in the navy and on a fucking ship in the middle of the god damn ocean with 400 of my not so closest friends who dont bathe as regular as normal folk should. Tired of my ugly little toe. Tired of wonderring why my bellybutton smells like cheese. Tired of masturbating into a pack of bologna. Tired of wondering what my man chowder tastes like and if I did taste it, would anyone think differently of me? Tired of you."
Yet another reason to join the Air Force instead. I hope this guy isn't the ships cook!
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It may sound disgusting and far out, but really it's not too unbelievable for someone in the Navy. They are very much experts in creative ways to spray their DNA.
Tired of wondering what my man chowder tastes like and if I did taste it, would anyone think differently of me?
Well, you're well on your way to becoming an internet meme - the legendary Naval jizz guzzler. The real question is, will you think differently of yourself?
-- who are those slashdot people? they swept over like Mongol-Tartars.
There was a wise chief petty officer on our boat (submarine) who said this truism:
If you say you never do it (masturbate), you're a liar. If you say you've never tasted it (your "man chowder"), you're a liar.
Personally, I have never used bologna or any other food stuffs for such purposes. Nor anyone's ass, in case someone is thinking of clever submarine/navy jokes.
Re:Navy ship email
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I forget... is this the guy that keeps asking Billy Joel "Man, what are you doing here?"
Re:Navy ship email
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No, really. Why are people tired? Can we see the answers, or do we just have to click on the mailto link and bare our souls? What's going on here?
It's a government conspiracy! They want to hear our deepest fears so they can make them real and make us into zombies!
I've got a great idea for my own site. People will trust it and submit because nothing will ever get posted back. It'll say "Got nice boobs? Let us see.". Not sure what to call the domain though.
Domain names in the.com and.net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information.
No match for domain "SHOWUSYOURBOOBIES.NET".
>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:26:49 EDT <<<
The problem is that, unlike with the tired mails, you actually want to _look_ at the stuff you get. And there, of course, you run the risk of running into the rack-flashing equivalent of really bad "I'm tired" nonsense. And that's not necessarily something I need to see when I'm too tired to deal with anatomical catastrophes.
That's because when I get in a bad mood, I run through that site giving a "1" rating to every attractive rack, and a 10 to all the hideous freaks of nature (and dumb, funny stuff like the guys holding two pumpkins up).
I've decided to forsake attempts at promotion, romance, and success in favor of a new life goal: getting that 90 year old gramma with the sad sacks up into the top 10.
I do the same thing with stilemedia.com though.. try to raise up all the grotesque, nasty images and push down all the good ones. I'm just not a people person...
-- Alito: A vote for Alito is a punch in the eye to put that bitch back in her place!
-- "Alcohol, cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" -Homer Simpson
A bit off-topic...
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12:39 here, EET
Is there a chance of some kind of a push-in alternative of RSS being incorporated in/. ? (Sorry for my English, I'm not a native speaker) I saw the news @ 5:13 and it was posted 5mins earlier. Makes me kind of sad, i've never been able to see less than 20 comments per article.
Re:A bit off-topic...
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RSS is available on slashdot. Look at the home page, at the very bottom right (in the black border), and you'll see the link.
Re:A bit off-topic...
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I think he/she is looking for a pushed system of getting notified when there is new content rather than a polling based system like RSS.
Ah, server push... If only Wired was right, instead of whatever it is. I never read it, but I decided to give it another a try one day at the store, they had a hardware article about a couple of companies doing some interesting work, I flipped through the article and there were no web sites listed anywhere for any of the companies or technologies they were talking about, so never again.
Web design
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A lot of webdesigner should take a lot at this site. It's clear, has no distracting elements, is fast to download and serves it's purpose perfectly. Unlike many other sites out there.
Only for a part. Ofcourse the site is a bit limited but the point is that there are too many sites which have too much graphical nonsense distracting from the real content of the site.
Re:Web design
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I agree with eelke_klein's post. I somehow miss the days when websites weren't a html handle and a x MB flash "page". Oh, well, WWW was created for the mainstream users (i think so), preferring fat and bloated GUIs. Got to start looking for a nice news-sever and a client.
Overdesigned websites are a problem, but I wonder... are they a bigger or smaller problem than the legion of nerds who think constantly going on about overdesigned websites confers upon them some sort of wisdom. Conficious say: parroting a truism maketh not a wise man.
No, it's "Are you tired?" not "Are you retarded?".
I don't think any site could handle the amount of traffic that would generate. Except/., of course. And maybe michaelmoore.com.;)
-- It goes from God, to Jerry, to me.
we're all tired
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Whats really interesting about this is that after seven years the guy who owns that domain hasn't changed it one bit. the domain itself is worth alot of money amd there aren't even any ads on the site. At the height of the dot com era he could of sold the domain for tens of thousands od dollars. I think thats the real story here.
I'm tired because I just woke up after 12 hours of sleep.
psssh: about 7 years ago was when the dotcom boom IIRC was booming, it's 2004 already
Gosh I feel old....and tired (I had to, c'mon)
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Re:we're all tired
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Make sure your seatbelts are fastened, you're in for the next dotcom boom. VC money is flowing again - witness Akimbo.com, the company who will sell you a $280 box for your TV, for which you can pay $10 a month to watch... nothing, at least for now. They managed to land $20 million from Kleiner Perkins last week after about 6 mo of operation...
Re:we're all tired
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Doh, that should have read $12 million. Damn, I need some sleep...
Re:we're all tired
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I don't think he would appreciate your description of how you stayed up all night watching pr0n till 5am and you are tired from self-gratifying sexual exhaustion.
Cause to rejoice
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If you ask me, this is cause to rejoice. As much for what this website is not as for what it is. This site is not some multimillion-dollar-making scheme, nor is it one person's springboard to "international fame". It is a simple site asking a simple question, and offering a simple, almost insignificant service. A tiny chance to vent, just for a moment. Yet 32,000 souls have bitched, ranted, whined, moaned, and otherwise unburdened themselves.
So what, one might ask. Why is this reason to make merry? Because of the connection. The site makes its plea, and people give what they have, leaving their hearts just a tiny bit lighter. People reaching out to each other across the void, to total strangers, in a trusting bond of shared service.
We live in dark times. Madmen think nothing of murdering thousands to advance their creeds, wars rage across the globe, slaughtering the children of nations from the richest to the poorest. Human greed and shortsightedness have afflicted the globe with pollution and plagues. Still, the shadows have not stifled all hope; there is light, creeping in around the edges of the dark, showing the way out: somewhere there is a mail server that has received 32,000 (and counting) emails. 32,000 instances of basic unselfish sharing. Power of the human spirit, my friends.
Re:Cause to rejoice
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And a modern version of confessional.
Re:Cause to rejoice
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do you use bold and italics completely at random in everything you write?
Re:Cause to rejoice
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You are the long-lost John Katz and I claim my $5.
Re:Cause to rejoice
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We have always lived in dark times; it's not specifically now. Humans are hard-wired to be nasty and violent and it takes a lot of learning to override that hard-wiring. It's not even surprising what's going on now - it's inevitable and it will never end.
A rather dorky friend of mine once said in his Slashdot JE, "World peace will only be achieved when every human is dead". Sadly, he's right.
How did he escape getting on all the spam lists in
seven years with an unmangled email address in the 199-byte static webpage ?
Re:Cause to rejoice
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> You are the long-lost John Katz and I claim my $5.
If there were a +6, Funny, I'd crack into slashdot.org and implement it myself. You owe me a new keyboard. At least the monitor's clean. Even if it smells like double roast.
Nice point. This makes me think of people mailing postal letters addressed to Santa Clause. Sometimes there just is the right/convenient person to say certain things to. Sad, but true, at least for me.
I find it takes effort to build trusting and trustworthy relationships when you (or, more personally, I) didn't learn the functional behaviors necessary to maintain, let alone nourish, intimate relations.
We live in dark times. Madmen think nothing of murdering thousands to advance their creeds, wars rage across the globe, slaughtering the children of nations from the richest to the poorest. Human greed and shortsightedness have afflicted the globe with pollution and plagues.
It's always incredibly annoying to hear this... "We live in dark times"... Okay then. Name one time in history when your description didn't fit. There have been madmen from the beginning, as well as wars, slaughter, greed, shortsightedness, pollution and plagues.
It's like perpetual pessimism... There are bad people, therefore we live in dark times. Guess what? We are now in a time that is perhaps better than any in history.
We are safer than ever before. There are very large numbers of people dedicated to preventing madmen from gaining power. There was pollution long ago, we just didn't know about it. While now we understand much more about it, and are now working to limit it. Life expectancy is longer than ever. The plagues we have now are a mere shadow of their former glory, thanks to modern science and technology, etc.
These are not dark times, these times are about as bright as they've ever been. The biggest thing a lot of us have to worry about is what company is slowing the progress of science with patents. We are able to do so because we don't have to worry about plagues, madmen, wars, etc., because our chances of being harmed by them are a small as ever in history.
Re:Anonymous Coward
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It was a joke, you know, people mistype when they're tired? Throwing words like "retarded" around is offensive and, in this case, liable to backfire.
Oh, and I imagine a lot of retarded people would indeed email Michael Moore, probably beginning with "As a loyal Bush supporter..."
;-)
-- To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I have a sleep disorder
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I sleep more than anyone else I know, and have done so all my life, even when I was very young. (My mother told me that when I was a newborn, still in the hospital, I didn't like to be awakened for my feedings.)
However, I often stay up all night, and have gone as long as five days without sleeping. The longest I've slept in one shot is 29 hours.
I have a hell of a time getting out of bed each day. It is endlessly frustrating to my wife, who would like me to share her much more regular hours. I always feel like I've been hit by a truck, when I wake up. My wife never used to understand why I would protest that I was tired, after waking up from fourteen hours of sleep.
I went to a sleep specialist, and had two sleep studies done, and was diagnosed with obstructive sleep apnea. The continuous positive air pressure machine that the doctor prescribed helped, but did not solve the problem.
Apnea is often caused by being overweight, and at the time I weighed 250 lbs, but I managed to lose 50 lbs and I don't think I have the apnea anymore. I still sleep very irregularly though.
It's a primary reason I am self-employed as a consultant. I don't think I could hold a job anymore, where I had to show up at any particular time.
It's 7 am where I am, and I've been working since midnight, and feeling great, but after getting out of bed yesterday afternoon I felt like hell and just wanted to take a nap until I came alive late into the night.
I don't think I have a circadian rhythm, at least not like other people.
Re:I have a sleep disorder
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Same thing here, but I have a regular job; 8am to 5pm.
There are days where I just go to bed as soon as I get home; and I wake up at Midnight, code for a few hours and go to work at 8.
But then there are days where I stay up until 5am; sleep a couple hours, go to work and stay up until 5am again.
It's so random; it's just annoying.
Everyone around me can keep regular hours, but I never feel tired at the same time on successive days.
Re:I have a sleep disorder
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You know, what you explained there is exactly my problem. I have trouble getting up, but once up I can stay up for days... I am overweight, but have never looked into the whole aponea thing, and to be honest, if I have it, I don't want to know unless it's life threatening. But what you described could not have fit my description better, and I bet a lot of bed-time-coders would agree...
Re:I have a sleep disorder
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I still sleep very irregularly though.
Try jogging for 30 minutes every other morning. It works wonders for just about everything.
Re:I have a sleep disorder
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Try behavioral conditioning.
Pick a nice piece of music. Classical violin music works well for me.
Listen to it every night while you sleep.
After about 12-18 months, as soon as you hear the music, you'll fall asleep. Like Pavlov's dog. Or, horrors, A Clockwork Orange.
When it's time to get up, play Techno.
Code up a perl script. Use mp3s and a lot of RAM to avoid spinning the harddrive.
Avoid concerts.
Oh, and regular bedtimes/wake-times will help you to stabilize -- if you can keep at it long enough!
Re:I have a sleep disorder
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Tried it.
Every other morning, I was faced with the choice "stay in nice comfy bed and sleep more" or "go outside and run around". Guess which option I chose?
I have no willpower when I wake up tired...
Re:I have a sleep disorder
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archivis
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Thats me. The normal people just don't understand how it can be a mind-numbing effort of will to show up someplace regularly in "regular hours".
If you don't have problems sleeping you don't understand how much it can slowly erode away one's life.
I'm overweight (now), but my problems sleeping started when I was kid in kindergarden and I was no more than slightly pudgy then...and as I've gotten older my problems have both worsened and lessened.
I am much better at being able to *go* to sleep, instead of it being a nightly problem, and then a once a week every two weeks, and now doing to once or twice a month. Its so nice not to have to lie in bed for hours or reading or whatever, desperately tired, yet unable to sleep - note however that tonight I've been unable to sleep.
But, after years of being unemployed / college student with very flexible daylight demands, my circadian rhythm is non-existant, or at least badly broken. My "natural" sleeping preference is for daylight - come dawn and I yawn. Nice bright sunny noon and I want to be inside in bed. Doing anything else leaves me feeling as disoriented and uncomfortable feeling as the people I've known doing nightshifts have said doing such shiftwork made them feel.
I went into work every day, when I was fortunate enough to be working for six months before I got laid off, damn startup, feeling like I'd been dragged out of bed in the middle of the night, even if I'd just woken up from a good nights sleep.
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Re:I have a sleep disorder
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so what you're saying is you're a fat, grumpy consultant who snores loudy in the middle of the afternoon.
hey - I think we've met!
Re:I have a sleep disorder
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I used to have obstructive sleep apnea. No matter how much sleep I had I still woke up tired. I was pretty overweight and sleeping next to me was like sleeping next to a chainsaw. In 2000 my oldest daughter was born and since I was already suffering from severe sleep apnea the first two weeks with her at home almost drove me over the edge. I was falling asleep at work, while driving, and even while talking a few times. I started to develop narcolepsy and even had a couple of hallucinations. When I finally went to the doctor and had a sleep study done they said that I was waking up 72 times an hour! I was diagnosed with obstructive sleep apnea. The doctor tried a few different pressures and types of breathing machines and determined that I would be best suited with a bypap(sp?) machine. The bypap is has a different pressure for inhalation than it does for exhalation.
At first the bypap(sp?) machine seemed like a huge pain in the butt. I had to wear that stupid mask at night and listen to the machine, but my snoring had stopped, which my wife assured me was reason enough to use the machine. For the first two weeks I really didn't feel any different I was tired all of the time and missing out on my young daughters early antics. Then one morning I woke up and realized that I wasn't tired anymore. It was unbelievable. I used the bypap machine for 6 months before the inside of my nose became so raw that sleeping with it became almost impossible. I often had nightmares that someone was going to take the bypap away and my life would go back to what it was before.
In the 6 months that I was on the bypap I lost 30 lbs and was enjoying life in a way I had not been able to since I was a teenager. Since sleeping with the bypap machine was beginning to become unbearable I decided to see a doctor about having some kind of surgery, so I would not have to sleep with a machine for the rest of my life. They scheduled me for surgery and a short time later I had widened sinus passages, no adenoids, no tonsils, and much less of a palette in the back of my throat. The two weeks after the surgery really sucked, I couldn't even drink water for 4 days. I was constantly coughing up blood and required an IV and home health to administer the much desired pain medication. After two weeks I was feeling much better and had lost another 20 pounds. It didn't take long to lose 10 more and become a bit more active. I've bounced around a bit since then, but I've never gained more than 20 pounds of the weight back and since I've started exercising it looks like I might drop another 10 - 15 pounds.
My life has never been better, I'm not tired, I don't fall asleep, and my wife doesn't have to elbow me at night as much anymore. If the cpap didn't help you sleep you should give it another shot. I say it will be at least two weeks before your body and mind recover from sleep depravation. I'm sure you also know the consequences of ignoring sleep apnea, which include increased risk of heart attack, increased risk of stroke, and narcolepsy.
I thought pretty much as you did that the sleep cycles that I had were just normal for me, but believe me you don't know what you are missing with a regular sleeping pattern. I was an all night gamer and worker. The only time I could stay awake was when I was really focused on something like programming or video games. Now I can still game all night and sleep late if my wife lets me...err I mean if I want too, but I also have the benefit of being able to live an alter, happy, and somewhat normal life.
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Re:I have a sleep disorder
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You would be suprised at the number of people that have sleep apnea and don't realize it. I've had it all my life and no one realized that was the problem (but of course in the 70's and 80's you were just lazy). I was even in the service with it and with not sleeping when I could (because of the apnea) and all of the watches I had to pull in the middle of the night, I think by the 6th month out at sea, I started to get some kind of personality disorder from the sleep deprivation. Fun stuff. I had my soft pallet removed, tonsils, adnoids (sp?) (twice), and a nasal reconstruction. I still have to wear a CPAP but I have been gaining weight and I'm getting worse again. It's a never ending battle for sleep.
They scheduled me for surgery and a short time later I had widened sinus passages, no adenoids, no tonsils, and much less of a palette in the back of my throat. The two weeks after the surgery really sucked, I couldn't even drink water for 4 days. I was constantly coughing up blood and required an IV and home health to administer the much desired pain medication.
Man, that sounds severe. Really severe. I was thinking of having minor nasal surgery to stop snoring, but that sounds downright dissuading.
Re:I have a sleep disorder
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It does sound harsch and probably is, but I tell you, would you rather be in a pain for two-three weeks and then have a "normal" life for the rest of your life, or just deal with a band-aid solution that may be temporary and never deal with the actual problem.
He did the right thing and for the right reasons, now he can enjoy being active with his family and feel good about himself.
Read the sentence right before the one you quote; he didn't have 'minor nasal surgery,' he had major nasal and throat surgery. I wouldn't want to eat anything either after having some of a whack of the palette at the back of my throat removed.
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Have you seen a psychiatrist? Sleeping disorders (both sleeping too little and sleeping too much) are often caused by depression, even just mild depression. A small dose of something like Prozac can fix your brain chemistry and make you sleep better at night and wake up with more energy.
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Re:I have a sleep disorder
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Re:I have a sleep disorder
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I still sleep very irregularly though.
It's a primary reason I am self-employed as a consultant. I don't think I could hold a job anymore, where I had to show up at any particular time.
I certainly can understand how you feel. Not only do I have a sleep disorder, but it seems very prevalent on one side of my family tree. However, they've all managed with it.
The secret is pretty simple actually... Physical labor. Yeah, I know, you're going to say that you've tried, but physical work just doesn't work for you... Truth is, it works for everyone.
If you exhaust yourself, you WILL fall a sleep. In fact, if you go to bed exhausted, not only will you sleep well, and wake up early; you also will only need to sleep a fraction of the time. 6 hours of sleep can be more than enough.
Now you are the one who needs to figure out what you can do to get exercise. Personally, I'm a distance runner. In additon, I have multiple dogs. Running for exercise on your own isn't very motivating... You naturally run until you feel a little tired, then stop. You need something like another person, or an energetic dog to push you to run even when you are very tired. A treadmill also doesn't seem to work, because it's just to easy to get off when you get tired, with no consequences. If you're out running away from civilization, ou have no choice but to force yourself to continue going, until you get back to where you started... You can't stop until you've gotten somewhere, no matter how much you might want to.
And don't think about using weight as an excuse. I was very out of shape, and not much under 200 pounds when I started running again.
So, go out and gets lots of exercise, and work even after you've long been tired out. You'll sleep as soon as you lie down, and you'll wake up 6-8 hours later, feeling more awake than you've ever felt. That's not even mentioning better healt, and looking less like Jabba the Hut...
... and he still has just a placeholder for the site (and I thought I procrastinated)
Tired of....
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Anonymous Coward
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CowboyNeal option in/. polls:)
Re:Red Hat earnings restatement ignored by slashdo
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I know this is offtopic, but it is not quite as simple as you make out (yes, I just RTFA).
Basically, you can't just move revenues around as and when you feel like it, there are rules you have to adhere to. It might seem trivial to you, but it obviously doesn't to the SEC and (more importantly) the stock markets. Also, RH's Chief Financial Officer resigned over this (by the look of it) so the company are taking this seriously themselves too.
-- To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I think there is a common list of things which "tires" people:
1. Being stuck in a job - a LOT more people than they care to admit are into jobs they don't really like. Jobs that are no longer challenging. Or exciting. Jobs that are going nowhere. This is the primary reason for being tired, because the entire life, one day at time, is structured around the job - from sleep cycles, to time to be spent with family, take to wake up, etc. And it is very tiring and taxing, when this very job, isn't what one would really want to do.
2. Relationship - the less said, the better. Not every relation is pleasant. And by relationship, I don't just mean a boy/girl relationship. Relationship with the wife. with the kids. people at work. Neighbours. Between two nations. And it's so funny because though we all say "man is a social animal", this is precisely what we aren't taught - how to socialize, or how to maintain in a relationship. Or just be in a relationship. being tolerant. We are not taught that, but of course a whole load of algebra and trignometry, that finds no direct use in most lives.
Just these two are so crucial factors in defining the happiness and well being of each person.
For all weapons of mass destruction there may or may not be in the world, whether the world is safe or not, masses are mostly unhappy and hence "tired". And hence they find or try to find outlets to get of this tiredness. Whatever it may be.
I think your points are valid but I also think they interelate , you have a relationship with your job, work and or co-workers , and you can be complacent in a relationship, so I think therre is a deeper underlying truth to your points , like not being apreciated or Fulfilled in life and your place in it I agree , Since I had my heart broken by the wicked Ex I have not slept well , and that happend in January.
Re:tired
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What do WMD have to do with this? Can you imagine what a stupid hash it would be to put schoolchildren through 'relationship classes' instead of math and science?
We are social if we choose to be, you dont need to be taught. Everyone claims they dont know how to act and such, I dont believe that. We know what to do to keep relationships, we are social by nature. We just like to be anti social for whatever reason.... I wish I knew why..
I kind of agree with you on the fact that physiologically, we are social creatures. That is to say, we aren't or won't be happy in extended periods of solitude.
However, as most skills are taught over a period of time, I think we also need to be formally taught, and made aware of, the skills and qualities it takes to socialize with people, interact with them and generally get to know them and pave the way towards lasting relationships.
The fact remains that such hard to define stuff is always left for the parents to teach, and for the children to learn on their own. With more and more nuclear families where breadearners work long hours, how good of a chance do the kids get? Add to this the excess of modern video games and playstations - and we have more and more children (and even adults) spending far more time at home, playing or watching tv. And that, my friend, does not qualify as interaction
I wish we all knew what to do with relationships. Haven't you heard countless times about people being unable to sustain relationships they KNOW are important to them? Think about it...
I agree with you for the most part. In my opinion, the biggest reason people have social problems is that they feel that they can't completely be themselves. When one starts worrying about how to behave rather than simply behaving, it often becomes a tangled mess.
Basically it boils down to: People need to be better taught about simply being themselves.
When the relationship between nations is hard, congress doesn't approve your supreme court judges, and people are stil second-guessing your victory in the election 8 months ago, do what any president would do... take a vacation:D
Its basically a livestock term that has found more common use in other contexts. Horses which are old/worn out are sent to the Knacker's yard to be slaughtered/made into dog-food/glue/etc. The businessman who provides this service is the Knacker.
I think the word spread from there to shipping (where a Knacker would break up a ship for parts), and is now generally used as an alternative term for pretty much anything being worn out/of no further use/etc.
A friend of mine said yesterday that he woke up at 4.30 and couldn't get back to sleep. I simply replied "As a parent, I can only say 'Screw you'."
I have four month old twins.
I bike to work, 12 miles every day.
I have not had to tell anyone to screw themselves.
I do get tired on occation, and I do feel down every now and then... but I doubt telling people to screw themselves would make me feel any better.
Try looking at the good things, concentrating on the bad stuff will only serve to make you bitter.
Besides, given that your friend had a different basis of comparison, his lack of sleep might have been a major issue for him. Stuff like this is always subjective, and trying to compare who has it harder is ofter rather pointless.
Twin infants are interesting in development. They are usually much less tiring than one would expect, because they play with and entertain and comfort each other, which is why their parents don't put them in a blender after a month or two.
And some infants take a lot more support than others: I've met some beautiful meatloafs you couldn't disturb from their naps with a two-by-four, and other delightful infants of pure evil who'd wake up shrieking from Brownian motion bouncing air molecules off their faces, preferably just when you finally got your own eyes closed.
Wake her up at 11:00 PM, give her some milk, (bottle if mother is unwilling), play with her half an hour and make her laugh and go crazy (by probably going crazy yourself).
The next morning has arrived and you have had a good night sleep. Guaranteed.
I have not had to tell anyone to screw themselves.
That's because your kids are *only* four months old! Jeez, you've barely even started, Dad.
Call back in a couple of years, and we'll see if you've had the courage of your convictions.
(A lot of stay-at-home parents would love to have the luxury to be able to get 12 miles away from their kids, even just once in a while. You'll see...)
they play with and entertain and comfort each other, which is why their parents don't put them in a blender after a month or two.
must... give... in.....
<homer>hmmmmmmm........ twinshake.... </homer> ....ouch! ouch! ooof! yikes! Sorry, please don't beat me!
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I doubt telling people to screw themselves would make me feel any better.
Believe me, it does. You should really try it some time.
Besides, given that your friend had a different basis of comparison, his lack of sleep might have been a major issue for him.
That's what makes things like that the most annoying. It's that people's values are so incredibly screwed up... Some people are having a legitimately hard life, and others are complaining about trivial things.
It's rather annoying in person, but it can get much more serious. You'd be astonished by what serious actions people take over trivial issues... This winter, a semi came very close to hitting me, and most likely killing me in the process. Why? Because he didn't want to be cautious... He was willing to risk human life, to get his truckload delievered a few minutes earlier. This is what people mean, when they say they've got a new perspective after a life-threatening accident. People are caught-up in their own problems to such a ridiculous extent, that the most trivial thing (like a little money, answering a cell phone call, doing their make-up, etc) can cause them to do something fatal.
Telling someone to screw themselves is the best thing you can do for them.
shades of "Hearing Aid"
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If anyone out there's read "Shockwave Rider" this story reminds me of "Hearing Aid" - a service where people can phone in and gripe and have someone listen... but not answer. An amazing service really...
Re:shades of "Hearing Aid"
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One of my favorite books, by a great author. highly recommended.
Judging by the comments in that old "What makes a good web design" story, it seems that the best website according to most Slashdotters would be a plaintext file. Makes sense considering that many here spend all day at CLI, and goes to show how out of touch people here are with good GUI design.
Re:you like cli's i bet
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hmm, I'll bet that most slashdotters actually don't spend all day with a CLI and hate the bloat they suffer from morons like you.
He was too tired to even bother making it valid HTML.
Just about though...
Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Anonymous Coward
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I'm saddened that it took so many posts to mention insomnia.
I'm saddened that when I was 12 or 13, everyone thought I was "rebelling" by staying up way too late, sleeping until the last minute, and being groggy in school.
I'm saddened that I spent much of high school taking nortriptyline (Pamelor at first, then the generic as Pamelor grew too expensive) every night, just to get to sleep.
I'm saddened that my doctor, somehow convinced that I was faking things, refused to issue more prescriptions.
I'm saddened that I spent the rest of high school, and several years afterwards, downing Tylenol PM every night.
I'm saddened that I found solace in alcohol, which does the trick a hell of a lot better than Tylenol PM. I drink at least a six-pack of beer a night, just to get my mind relaxed enough so that I can pass out.
I'm saddened that if I get up at 6AM, work two jobs, come home, watch a little TV, and try to go to bed at 11PM without some sort of assistance, I just lie there for hours, wide awake in dreamland.
I'm saddened that I don't remember the last time I went to sleep without the aid of some chemical or another.
Those who have never suffered through insomnia don't know and don't understand the struggle, but are unusually quick to criticize. They don't realize the agony of being physically exhausted and wanting like mad to go to sleep, but having the brain keep working, thinking, stressing, preventing you from falling asleep. You tell them you can't get to sleep at night, they give you some bullshit about "well, you should wake up earlier," or "you need a more comfortable bed."
I'm not so sure that "tired of life" and "tired in the needing sleep sense" are mutually exclusive. The latter can lead to the former rather quickly when there isn't some sort of sleep-inducing remedy around. Fatigue is not a fun way to go through life.
Signed,
Someone too embarrassed to post this logged-in
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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"I'm not so sure that "tired of life" and "tired in the needing sleep sense" are mutually exclusive."
I think you mean "are not connected" or correlated or something. I doubt anyone believes that tired of life and sleepy are mutually exclusive - i.e. you be in both states at once.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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I went through the same thing for most of my life... Except nobody would give me anything to help me sleep as both my parents and the doctor claimed "I just didn't want to sleep". It's hard being good at school when you never get more than 4-5 hours of sleep...
The only thing that seems to be working without too many side-effects is smoking some good pot and drink a beer before hitting the sack... That's OK when you're 31 but how to get that when you're 12!:P
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Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Try meditation, find a +good+ zendo. Tell them the deal, it will take time though, no magic here, but it will get better.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Anonymous Coward
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The only thing that seems to be working without too many side-effects is smoking some good pot and drink a beer before hitting the sack... That's OK when you're 31 but how to get that when you're 12!:P
Well, I certainly won't dispute the somniatic effects of smoking a good bowl - if it were easier to get ahold of weed than it is to get ahold of alcohol, I'd be a night-time pothead instead of a night-time drunk.
But for the benefit of those readers who are 12, and are having trouble getting to sleep, tell your parents to take you to the doctor, and when you get there, don't be shy. Tell your doctor you're having problems getting to sleep, especially if you're keeping normal hours for that age (e.g. getting up at 6AM to go to school, trying to go to bed at 10PM or so, and having no luck).
Don't hesitate to specifically mention nortriptyline or Pamelor. Quoth MedicineNet (not that they're the definitive source or anything), "Nortriptyline is also a sedative and is useful in depressed patients with insomnia, restlessness, and nervousness." This is exactly the reason that it was prescribed to me, for more than three straight years. And I can tell you, it worked. It had a relaxing effect, such that when I took it before bedtime, I no longer had the "my brain keeps working when my body wants to sleep" syndrome.
If you're not able to visit a doctor or can't afford prescriptions (I no longer have health insurance, even though I work 2 jobs, so I can sympathize) then get yourself some Tylenol PM. 2 pills, of whichever incarnation you buy, should be enough to set you down. There is no age requirement for buying Tylenol PM, and it's not addictive, though if you're truly suffering from insomnia you'll find yourself using it almost every night. This is not an indication of addiction, but of relieving your symptoms.
Good luck.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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I've suffered with insomnia for the longest time, and it's killing me. I've found that the only way I can get to sleep at a decent hour, if at all, is to tear myself apart with exercise. Last week, I couldn't sleep a wink, so I left the house at dawn and walked ten miles around this relatively tiny county, just so I could get some sleep. If I don't go to the gym, I don't sleep. It's an exercise program for the sleepless.
On my death march earlier this week, I was having mild hallucinations, the nature of which was such that I was hearing things, specifically, music. At one point, a plane flew overhead, and the sound sort of morphed into a saxophone; this could have been a genuine auditory coincidence, but then I started hearing piano chords, specifically, a diminished seventh if my ear training serves me correctly.
My affliction is unique in that I can't so easily cope with the sleeplessness with caffiene, because the diuretic effect of it triggers a long-standing mild case of enuresis, which first, makes it even more difficult to sleep, and second, is obviously extremely embarassing (hence the AC).
I, too, am bound to Tylenol PM, a drug that at least sates my affliction such that I can usually sleep within an hour of taking it, and then I have a half hour window in which I can sleep, because the effect passes all too quickly. If I don't capitalize on it quickly enough, I have to wait another hour.
Since this is summer, and I'm 16, I'm presented with an unusual opportunity to avoid sleeping altogether. I've taken to staying up 24 hours at a time to work on my pet project, a fully equipped arcade cabinet, faithful down even to the coin mech. It's a lovely way to pass the time, though I'm reluctant to saw anything at odd hours, because I wouldn't want to wake my parents, who suffer from their own sleep-related ailments; my mom is an extremely light sleeper, and my dad is jetlagged with such frequency that he often finds himself sleeping in the rear storage of his Tahoe in the airport parking lot.
It's a hard knocks' life.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Not to be one of those "quick to criticize", BUT maybe you should seek professional (mental) help rather than popping pills every night fro years of your life.
I don't doubt that you have a real illness, but it seems that it's more psychological than anything, yet your only cure is to pump chemicals into yourself. It's tough to feel bad for you when this is the only kind of help you've tried to get.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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I used to be like this when I was young.
It was just an allergy to margarine. Some cerebral allergies prevent you from going to sleep. So consider what you're eating if you haven't already.
Even today if I touch margarine I'm wide eyed for 24hours solid.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Just to make really sure: Have you tried
*totally* abstaining form caffeine (including coffee, tea, soft drinks)?
totally abstaining from alcohol
totally abstaining from sleeping aids(!)
doing some light to medium cardio activity in the morning or early afternoon (but not in the evening)
refraining from taking naps during the day (only one sleep interval -- at night)
getting up at 7 a.m. (or even earlier), no matter what
Have you followed the above hints together and religiously for at least four weeks?
Many insomniacs are "cured" with the above mentioned measurements.
Additionally, has a psychiatric doctor checked you whether you suffer from clinical depression? Really severe insomnia often is a symptom of clinical depression.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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That's genuinely fascinating. I've never heard fo such an affliction before, especially in connection with something as seemingly mundane as margarine.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Is it posible your just a night person in a day-walkers world?
I have come to belive that there is a small portion of the population that is geneticly predisposed to be the "night watchman". Perhaps its not as much now as when your tribe didn't want to get eaten in their sleep.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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I have had the exact same problem for most of my life. Drinking is not a good solution in the long run. I tried it, and while it does work, it also causes other problems as I'm sure you've found.
If it helps any, here is what I've done to combat it. First, I don't drink coffee or caffine in general past 12 noon. Second, I try to keep a regular schedule. Sadly that schedule is often sleeping 1 am to 10 am, or 2 am to 11 am, but it's better than the completely random schedule I had before. Most important though, is that I can't do ANYTHING that requires significant thought after dinner (or at least 2 hours before sleeping).
Most times I can now get to sleep within an hour, sometimes I can even sleep the whole night without waking up. Of course, occasionally I am still hit with a bout of insomnia where I lie awake for 6 hours. But all in all, I'm doing better than I used to. I guess I'm lucky to have the flexability to choose my own timetable though.
Anyways, try to get off the chemical sleep aids, and see if you can somehow restore your circadian rythem (sleeping pattern) via repatition. Just go to sleep at a fixed time each night regardless of if you're tired, and get up 8-9 hours later, regardless of if you're tired.
Good luck. You are not alone.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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I have similar problems sleeping, and have had since I was about 14 (I'm 26 now).
I've found that whilst the above can help sometimes they aren't garunteed to work every night.
My doctors tried a number of things but option number 1 was always Prozac. What nonsense, they hand that out without thinking about it (in Britain anyway) and it really bugs me. No I won't take Prozac.
However one thing I found really did make a difference was to eat a sugary snack 20 mins before trying to sleep - raising my blood sugar really did seem to make a big difference. The other thing that helped was making a routine of going to bed - always doing the same things in the same order (now it's feed the fish, go to bathroom for a wash etc, then go to straight to bed). If after 20-30 mins I'm not asleep then get up, read/do something (not video games that get adrenalin pumping) for a further 20 mins and then go through the entire routine again. Furthermore only sleep in your bed - don't read or take long snoozy mornings, that way you're enviromentally preconditioned that being in bed means sleeping.
So I'm still insomniac but far less often and I've noticed it's definatley stress related, but it's still a load easier now.
I hope some of that helps someone else too.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Tylenol and alcohol is not a good combination. You are risking serious liver damage for no real reason. It's the antihistamine in the Tylenol PM that helps you sleep. You can buy antihistamine alone without any acetaminophen. Benadryl is the most well known brand name, but you should save money by buying a generic witht the same ingredients.
You really sound like you need to see a doctor again. There are newer drugs and treatments. If you are honest with the doctor about your history he would have warned you to stop taking acetaminophen. I understand it hard to afford that.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Most important though, is that I can't do ANYTHING that requires significant thought after dinner (or at least 2 hours before sleeping).
What do you find to do for two hours a day which doesn't involve significant thought?
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Anonymous Coward
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Reading slashdot:) (no, I'm not the original poster) (sorry to joke about a serious subject)
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Anonymous Coward
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You wrote: "They don't realize the agony of being physically exhausted and wanting like mad to go to sleep, but having the brain keep working, thinking, stressing, preventing you from falling asleep."
So become a systems administrator like the rest of us, and you will never think of yourself as unusual again.
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Anonymous Coward
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hehehe.
mod parent up.
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nikster
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meditate. then you don't need to sleep. i am not kidding. meditation allows your mind to completely relax while staying awake.
drugs are your enemy - clouding your judgement, hiding your problems, nothing but empty promises. as long as you rely on drugs, you will continue on as you have. so why not try something else? you seem to believe in drugs. that's your first problem - the realization that drugs can not help you.
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Relaxing?
Honestly, try it sometime. Just try and do absolutely nothing for as little as ten minutes. Make sure your mind is completely focused on the space and time your are currently in; not planning the future or replaying the past.
Ten minutes... I challenge you.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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I had insomnia once, and the only way I found myself able to overcome the horrible illness and get some good, needed sleep was by joining a club. Only this club was different.
The first rule is, you're not supposed to talk about it.
And the _second_ rule is, you're not supposed to talk about it.
I heard the guy who invented it never sleeps, and he's raising an army.
Do you know Tyler Durden?
-- hrrm.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Anonymous Coward
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I'm saddened that if I get up at 6AM, work two jobs, come home, watch a little TV, and try to go to bed at 11PM without some sort of assistance, I just lie there for hours, wide awake in dreamland.
That's your problem right there. Don't get up at 6am. In fact, try to get a job where you can work whatever hours you choose. When you no longer *have* to get up, you no longer *have* to lie in bed trying to get to sleep. But 6am is far too early to be getting up.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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evenparity
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For the first 25 years of my life, I had horrible insomnia. I can vividly remember numerous nights watching the numbers change on my alarm clock from maybe 2 a.m. to 7 a.m. Eventually, I would get about an hour of sleep, but it was really, really horrible.
But the odd thing is that then I took a new job overseas and in a totally new environment. For the first time in my life, I went to sleep within a half hour of going to bed and woke up every morning feeling relatively refreshed.
When I came back State-side, however, I started having insomnia again. This started to make me think that I just slept better when I was overseas.
But after a while I figured out that my insomnia was really about not being very happy about my life and being in a state of perpetual stress. Being overseas was somehow more exciting and less real, so I was coping better.
Since then, however, I've taken control of my environment a bit more. I've found jobs that I like and also cut myself some more slack. Combined with regular exercise, I sleep much better now and much happier with life in general.
So, perhaps there is hope. For me, the mental switch of "feeling empowered" in life made all the difference. But ironically, all the changes actually had to happen more in my head than it did in the outside world. And that's a hard thing to figure out how to do. Good luck!
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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pebs
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"With insomnia, nothing is real... Everything is far away. Everything is a copy of a copy of a copy."
-- #!/
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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wfberg
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My doctors tried a number of things but option number 1 was always Prozac. What nonsense, they hand that out without thinking about it (in Britain anyway) and it really bugs me. No I won't take Prozac.
Actually, Prozac is a selective serotonic re-uptake inhibitor. So taking it causes more serotonin to be present in the brain. Serotonin plays a very big role in your sleep patterns. In fact, one commonly marketed sleeping drug (which actually works) is L-tryptophan (a chemical also present in milk - momma told you, didn't she?), which is converted into serotonin in the body. Unfortunately it is now banned from over-the-counter sale, because of a tainted batch causing a nasty illness. You can still get it as a prescribed drug (Tryptan).
The other thing that helped was making a routine of going to bed - always doing the same things in the same order (now it's feed the fish, go to bathroom for a wash etc, then go to straight to bed). If after 20-30 mins I'm not asleep then get up, read/do something (not video games that get adrenalin pumping) for a further 20 mins and then go through the entire routine again.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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ryanvm
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Uh, this is about being tired. You need to go to http://saddened.com.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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" Most important though, is that I can't do ANYTHING that requires significant thought after dinner (or at least 2 hours before sleeping)."
What do you find to do for two hours a day which doesn't involve significant thought?
Masturbating. Seriously. Spend 1 to 2 solid hours masturbating before bed (go slow, put on a porno or something). Make sure you have nothing to do after you orgasm, brush your teeth beforehand or whatever you need to do. After you have a good orgasm, go straight to sleep. Quickies won't work as well, and also if you stay awake enough after the orgasm, you might not be able to fall asleep.
Of course, you can replace "masturbating" with actual sex with another person, but hey, this is Slashdot...
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Zoot!
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Anonymous Coward
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Hi,
interesting thread.
I've found also that simply eating will do the trick for me - I'll get sleepy and fall asleep about in an hour after eating very late (like at midnight or after..). But not every time.
I do physical exercises (self defence) four times a week with absolutely no effect what so ever to be sleepy when time comes to go to bed.
What I have tried which did work and is a plausible possibility for anyone because it's relatively easy, is bicycling quite a bit harder than normally for an hour at about 7pm, spending so much energy that one feels quite spent.. Then once I'm home and relaxed, at midnight I usually fall asleep - I do this when I have important meetings in the morning. Also rollerskating is an option I do but it sort of takes more to get out on them than with a bike..
Last night I didn't sleep, and am still up.. In my timezone it's the second day evening.. Feeling kinda funny but oh, no trying to sleep as I'm not tired yet, no, just feeling kinda odd.. Actually my selfdefence starts in an hour or so no reason to even try sleeping yet..
-YAI Yet Another Insomniac
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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pboulang
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Most important though, is that I can't do ANYTHING that requires significant thought after dinner (or at least 2 hours before sleeping).
What do you find to do for two hours a day which doesn't involve significant thought?
I'm guessing he just catches up on posting to/. ?
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*not guaranteed
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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afeeney
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There could be any number of reasons why you have insomnia and if you have health insurance, I'd strongly recommend going to your doctor and insisting on a thorough workup.
A thorough one would consist of allergy tests and various biochemical tests or examination of the possibilities. It would also look at things like whether you're sleeping in a dark enough room (melatonin can only be produced by the body under fairly dark conditions). The doctor might even be able to send you to a sleep lab.
As other posters have already mentioned, alcohol might get you to sleep but it will disrupt the quality of sleep, so that while you'll get some psychological relief, it won't provide much physical relief.
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Drinking is about the worst thing possible, and you will find (if you have not already) that alchohol is one of the most addictive substances there is (yes, I'm an alchoholic for the exactly the same reasons). If you MUST "take something" to help you sleep, try pot. I'm not kidding, it is WAY better than using alchohol, which causes addiction and depression.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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My Fiancee has something like this. If she tries to sleep before 7am she to excert effort, and she still gets up after 1pm...
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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merdark
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Well, it's sort of hit and miss. Sometimes playing video games is ok, but only certain types. Something like Far Cry won't work, nor will online games, nor racing games. I find that rpgs are usually slow paced enough (and sometimes even tedious) that while I am interested in the game, I don't get overly stimulated.
TV shows can also work well, but again, if you end up watching something on general relativity or some other thought provoking show it won't work. Fortunatly most of TV these days is fairly mindless. Reading the web is usually fine as well.
I'm sure this varies from person to person though. Just try to avoid things that get your pulse up or mind racing.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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lazyl
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DO NOT OVERFEED FISH. Thanks.;-)
LOL! You just made my day. Thanks.:)
-- Aw crap, ninjas!
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Goo.cc
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Mr X?
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS
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I cannot maintain a 'normal' sleep/wake cycle, but I sleep fine and feel rested when I sleep when I am tired, and get up when I'm awake. I also nap any time I feel like it.
Get a job (and relationships) that let you do what your body demands, and you will be much better off.
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Anonymous Coward
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a much better way of increasing serotonin is to take omega 3 fish oil. However, be very careful to look for non-contaminated sources - most species of fish, like tuna, are very contaminated by methylmercury.
Anyway, there's no need to take tryptophan when you can take 5HT.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Natchswing
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Run. Daily. Miles.
If your body has that much excess energy then sitting on a couch and watching TV is not going to put you to sleep.
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Anonymous Coward
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I had the same problem, where my mind was racing with thoughts, and I could hardly sleep. Got worse when I went through a divorce and custody battle. What saved me was MEDITATION.
It took several sessions with a meditation guru, in a class with several others, before I noticed my mind slow down. No more 'voices'. No, I can typically sleep much better, on fewer hours of sleep, and wake up better. I still like to sleep in till the last minute, skip breakfast, hop in the car and race to work, but that's another probem.
I meditate when I need to; I should be doing more, but I'm too lazy to do so.
I was on anti-depressants for a while, and what that did was screw up my mind, in that I could not remember things nor think clearly or creatively. I went off the medication after about a year and a half of being on it, and I feel much better. It took several months, but I can think again, think clearer, and am getting back my creativity.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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KanSer
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Sweet, now use the night-time version of the drug and every-ting will be much better. Melatonin aleviated my insomnaic symptoms nightly, but I almost got depressed about being dependent on chems for sleep. Then a month ago I graduated from high-school and with that stress gone I found myself sleeping like a baby! For the first time in 3 years! I don't know how I got through my senior year getting a tops of 3 hours of unconcious conciousness. Staring at the ceiling for so long that your brain becomes so numb that you lose track of time and thus 'sleep'. It was restful only because I was not moving, but it was more like torture then sleep.
However there was the added benefit of trippy day-time sleep-deprivation hallucinations. Nothing like yelling at your friend for poking you only to realize you're one of three people in a mostly empty room.
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Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Coryoth
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I understand entirely. Luckily my insomnia comes in bouts that last at most a week every month or 3, so most of the time I am getting enough sleep.
But yes, people are INCREDIBLY lacking in understanding of insomnia. The most common reaction, as you say, is a bunch of suggestions of "have you tried...?", to which, for me, the answer is almost always "yes, I've tried it - it didn't help". People who haven't had serious insomnia tend to relate to it via times when they've struggled to sleep. The problem is, that's quite different to insomnia. That sort of failure to sleep CAN be cured by getting up earlier, or abstaining from caffeine, or exercising heavily. That sort of difficulty sleeping often is brought on by something you're doing (too much stress, too much caffeine, being to active in the evenings), and so people tend to think of insomnia as being your fault - something you're doing badly, and so they suggest "fixes" and fail to really understand.
Because my insomnia tend to come and go I've had plenty of time to notice differences between when I can sleep easily and when I can't, to find all those factors that make a difference to my ability to get to sleep. Guess what? There aren't any. every month or two I have a short patch (ranging from 2 or 3 days to a week) where I simply cannot fall asleep easily. There's nothing I do differently, or fail to do, when these bouts occur. They just happen, and I simply struggle to get to sleep for a while. None of the usual things (exercise, lack of caffiene, getting up early) fix it.
I really wish all those people who don't have insomnia would be a little more understanding. Wouldn't assume we were stupid and hadn't thought about not drinking any caffiene. Wouldn't assume it's the sort of light inability to sleep due to lack of tiredness that they get and tell us to wake up earlier, or exercise more. I really wish people were a little more understanding of the fact that this is a biological thing, like clinical depression, and it's just the way the body works sometimes.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Dear "Signed,Someone too embarrassed to post this logged-in":
Go to a couple AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) meetings. You will fit right in. You are an Alcoholic AND DON'T KNOW IT. Just go to a few meetings. Sit. Listen. You don't have to give your name, pay any money, admit anything. You don't have to say word one if you don't want. But go and listen. Your life is ticking away. Just try it.
signed, Every month I drink LESS.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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adam.skinner
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My wife is an insomniac. She tries to get to sleep, but just sits in bed, her mind going over things during the day. She has to put the TV on to go to sleep.
Here's what I've found helps: I read her to sleep. I've completely read out loud the first 3 books of the Wheel of Time to her. Most of this isn't at bed though, I also read to her on road trips. When I read to her in bed, she might last a couple of pages or she might last a couple of chapters.
If you don't have anyone that's willing to read to you, I might suggest trying audio books. Since I have a very long commute (3 hrs a day, at least) I'm an Audible addict. Unabridged is the only way to go, too. I play it from my Palm Zire 72.
Anyway, it's worth a shot. There are worse ways to get to sleep than listening to a good story unfold behind your tired eyes.
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Anonymous Coward
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Actual sex can be somewhat more physically exhausting, which is more prone to keep you awake for an additional hour or two afterwards.
Of course having another person to sleep next to is relaxing, in my experience, more than making up for the difference. Even if you can't fall asleep, feeling that other person next to you makes a huge difference...
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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usewhatworks
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I agree Insomnia is really quite painfull. I get it in spats, say about two weeks in a row. I have gone to a head shrinker for it, and exercise does indded help. The catch 22 is that when you are so exhausted that you literally cannot fall asleep, getting on a bike and hitting the roads can be quite, wel "interesting". As i write this my eyes are burning from not being able to close.
-- I believe you have my stapler..
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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AbRASiON
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I definately understand some of this.... When I was a kid my parents used to send me to bed fairly early (if I recall about 8 or 9 oclock up till about 15 y/o) I would always lay in bed each and every night for at least an hour - I simply wasn't tired. I don't know if I was a geek at this stage of my life and not exercising out the energy or perhaps bad eating habits with sugar but it was HORRIBLE.
I hated it - and dreaded it - always awake, it lasted about 12 to 18 months IIRc and then my sleep times changed - it was SO frustrating at the time.
Now at 26 things are different - I realised this a month or two back in bed with my girlfriend (has some trouble sleeping nothing major) I'm absoloutely blessed now for sleep - it's one of the few things in my life I have _REAL GOOD_ - I hit the sack and can be asleep in under 60 seconds and sleep through astronomically loud things - I'm also not the type to wake up, piss and go back to bed or anything (my ex did this _EVERY night out of habit) I may not keep all my hair, and I may not have all my teeth but by golly I sleep well now.
Some pointers on how it works for me (may not do diddly for you) I sleep in normally underwear and a t-shirt I go to bed when I'm tired - I wake up with enough time to get ready for work, if I stay up late due to not being tired it's my loss feeling shit at work - my body will make me go to bed early the next night I don't wear socks to bed. I like to keep very warm / snug in bed. This may be childish (hangs head) but I specifically go to sleep with the doona (comforter) covering my ear and both arms well under it - only exposed part of me is the top of my head and eyes - the warmth to the ears works like magic- very cosy If you do think when you go to bed think of un-important things, AVOID WORK - I find materialistic things work - money, how you'd deck out a house if you had the cash - a decent computer? Think about how you'd acheive this thing - but it must be un-important ultimately - not something you take seriously.
(as I said YMMV) Anyhow all this thinking about sleep has me tired,.... but now I'm paranoid about going to bed:) - (03:02am, Melbourne for reference)
- Scott
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Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Jon+Taylor
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If you have to take medication to fall asleep (as I do), you should try Seroquel. Seroquel is an anti-psychotic, but taken in small doses it doesn't feel too strange (as most anti-psychotics do), and just about everyone falls asleep wonderfully on it. You might be a bit groggy in the morning, but the sheer pleasure of A) falling asleep when you want to, and B) staying asleep all night is indescribable to someone who hasn't experienced the "joys" (pained sarcasm) of insomnia. Check it out.
Jon
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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/dev/trash
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Margarine is just corn oil...so you're allergic to corn????
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Dr.+Evil
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Men have a tendency to be sleepy after sex, whereas women don't have that tendency. It's a weird world. So women want to cuddle or get a back rub or something, when the guy just wants to sleep.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Anonymous Coward
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I had the same thing until I was 22. The same symptoms, the same frustrations..
Then I got Eppstein-Bar, (the 'kissing disease'). Even then I couldn't sleep. Until I finally got very ill, including hallucinating, fed by tubes etc. I did get over it though and I got better. But I for some reason kept getting better and better than I was before the virus. I actually lost my insomnia. That's now 10 years ago. These days, I can sleep anywhere and always. In fact, I am less able to do without sleep than most people I know.
Sleeping is a blessing
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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ookabooka
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Actually, i believe you are right, I am a happier person when I sleep from 8 AM to 5 PM. Ironically, i go to sleep just after the sun comes up usually. Seems to work well for me, a friend of mine is the same way, we hang out all the time from 2am to 5am usually. Except now im gettin my lazy ass a job, 5AM to 5PM. . . I wish i could get a graveyard shift job, i would be happier and making more money, 2 birds w/ one stone.
-- If you are about to mod me down, keep in mind that this post was most likely sarcastic.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Anonymous Coward
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Try pot, not booze, it kills less brain cells and in general you feel better after it. Less chance of addiction too. Some people find it helps them sleep - other find the opposite, only one way to tell.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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WNight
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I went through the same things, except that I found my schedule rolled by an hour or two each day, as I'd get to sleep later. In school/work this meant sleepless thursday nights and crashes all weekend. When unemployed I didn't even notice the disorder unless I had an appointment.
You could try some work-at-home job. If you don't fight my kind of insomnia you don't even notice it, just go to sleep when tired, when not tired, stay up. It was a bit of an adventure, being up nights is peaceful and I got a lot of hobby stuff done, and studying (though I couldn't take the courses).
If you have the "can't sleep while tired" kind of insomnia, well, sorry. That sucks. I've been there a few nights, especially when sick, and it's hell.
I did everything that guy suggested you try. Waking up at a set time. Painful, but school ensured that. I used bright lights (a specific sun lamp), I took melatonin, I didn't exercise late in the day but tried to walk/bike every day. I used the bedroom for sleep only and moved the computer to the living room. I didn't drink/eat anything with caffeine late in the day. Nothing helped at all.
Then, at 25 it just went away. In a month I stopped the rolling sleep, in another I stopped having any sleep problems. I still take over an hour to get to sleep, but I'm always hyper - busy thinking - and that's not that unusual. I've been sleeping "normally" for almost five years now.
As far as I can tell I didn't do anything to cause it. Maybe it's an age thing.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Carnildo
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Is it posible your just a night person in a day-walkers world?
I have come to belive that there is a small portion of the population that is geneticly predisposed to be the "night watchman". Perhaps its not as much now as when your tribe didn't want to get eaten in their sleep.
Actually, it's not a small portion. Most teenagers have a natural sleep cycle of "stay up late, sleep in late". Frequently, "teenage insomnia" is actually an inability to adjust to the far different sleep cycle the schools expect.
-- "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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bannerman
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This is an odd place to ask a question of this nature. However, you folks seem knowledgeable and sympathetic. I'm here at 10:45 am instead of at work because I called in sick to get some more sleep. I can't sleep very well during the week. This is a relatively new development for me.
In November, I broke my arm in a motorcycle accident and got the flu immediately following that. I was low on funds and my wife had serious health problems, and we had no medical insurance, and naturally I was missing work. I got really stressed out about all of that and became *seriously* sick. I would get ready for work in the morning and be so exhausted from walking up and down the stairs twice that I felt like I would puke. The doctor said he thought it was stress or depression related, didn't give any advice or medications, but just understanding that gave me the insight required to improve. Smart doctor, imo. So I got over that, but now I can't seem to get to sleep until I'm really really tired- like 2 am. My mind races too much, and stuff. I get up at 5:30 am.
I went two weeks without caffine, getting up at around 5:30-6:00 am. I was still horribly groggy in the mornings and after lunch, and still wide awake at night. So I use caffine now (one cup of coffee) to get myself going in the mornings, a caffinated soda to help myself past lunchtime if I need it. So about midweek I crash and sleep in, then finish up the week.
I've read the threads here and seen a lot of symptoms that I have. I always thought it would be cool to have insomnia; now I look at it as pretty much the worst thing in the world.
So, I suppose my questino is this: Will I get worse? Should I be doing something to avoid it?
Common sense tells me that I should get up in the morning and go to work even though I won't be productive when I'm that tired, but common sense rarely prevails when my mind is so exhausted. If I really thought that dropping caffine for a longer period of time would help, I suppose I could do that. It's sure miserable. I do programming in the day, and I'm not a programmer, so I have to do a whole lot more creative thinking than most in order to be productive.
Any advice for me? I don't feel like I have any real serious issue yet, but I sure don't want it to develop any further. It's not a lot of fun.
-- I keep forgetting my place. Jesus is for losers. Why do I still play to the crowd?
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Bootsy+Collins
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I'm saddened that I spent the rest of high school, and several years afterwards, downing Tylenol PM every night.
I'm saddened that I found solace in alcohol, which does the trick a hell of a lot better than Tylenol PM. I drink at least a six-pack of beer a night, just to get my mind relaxed enough so that I can pass out.
You may already know this; and you don't explicitly say that you're using both alcohol and Tylenol simultaneously. But just in case you don't know this, and in case someone else here doesn't and is contemplating going this route:
don't mix alcohol and Tylenol (acetaminophen). Surprisingly small quantites can cause significant liver damage; if you have a history of alcoholism, comparatively small amounts of acetaminophen can kill you. Acetaminophen toxicity is the main issue; the alcohol simply enhances it. As a
good article on this subject from Cecil Adams points out:
The real problem with drugs like Tylenol is that the difference between a therapeutic (that is, medically effective) dose and a toxic one is surprisingly small. In adults the maximum safe dosage is four grams (eight 500-milligram tablets) over a 24-hour period. The toxic dose is a mere seven grams taken all at once.
P.S. While my insomnia is not as severe as yours, I do struggle with it, and I truly empathize.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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lune+tns
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I thought that of myself, while I was suffering from insomnia. So I got a graveyard job, and couldn't sleep in the daytime. It wasn't until I was unemployed, and started doing web design from my home (with no real schedule at all) that I realized what it was that I needed - a 36 hour day.
If I have no association with the outside world, I will stay awake for 26 hours, become tired, sleep for 10, and wake up feeling refreshed, energized, creative - all those things that make life so wonderful to live. Unfortunately, as I'm now in college, I have to keep myself on the 24 hour day, and I'm definitely suffering from it. I can't ever really get my energy up, I feel exhausted, nervous, and worn down.
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Anonymous Coward
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feeling that other person next to you makes a huge difference...
Yeah, especially when they roll over, pull the duvet off you and elbow you in the face.
</disgruntled and single>
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Tiro
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If you would just exercise you wouldn't have this problem. Try 45 minutes of running five times a week plus half an hour of weightlifting two or three times a week.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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AuMatar
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Even more than that- the natural day clock of a human body is not 24 hours. It differs from person to person. Most people are 22-26 hours, and they can fit into a 24 hour day without much trouble. Some are as low as 20 or as high as 28, they experience significant drift and have problems. Even higher would be even worse. Myself, I have about a 27-28. My clock rarely matches up enough for me to get more than 4 hours sleep, hasn't since as far back as I can remember (I remember listening to the midnight news report on the radio as young as 6). I just deal with it, getting more tired every day until I crash. If I'm lucky, I crash on a weekend, if not I burn a day off.
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I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Not insomniac, but sleep apnea. I feel your pain. Lack of sleep is no joke.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Anonymous Coward
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"You are an Alcoholic AND DON'T KNOW IT."
Actually, this is not necessarily true. While it could be alcoholism, there is actually a subset of the population (which I was a former member of) which suffers from insomnia so badly that they will do anything to compensate for it.
For years of my life, I literally lived in pain due to not getting (nearly) enough sleep. As is typical in this situation, the problem was not being properly treated. Friends and loved ones didn't understand ("you should exercise more"), and my doctor (a regular physician) didn't fully grasp the problem, nor was he adequately trained to deal with the issue.
I would be so desperate for sleep that I would do anything. For about 2 years, it was Benadryl, and lots of it. I would take 4 tablets a night (100 mg)-I'm not joking. Even this was usually to no avail. Later, I started going with alcohol, for no reason other than the fact that it worked the best.
Needless to say, regularly getting drunk at night just to get to sleep is not fun. I was worried about my health and well-being, so I sought psychiatric care. That completely changed my life. My psychiatrist (who is an expert on insomnia) not only treated my insomnia, but also got me in touch with other people with the same problem. When I met some other people like myself, I was shocked at the similarities between their story and mine.
Quite a few people with severe and chronic insomnia resort to "home remedies" to treat their sleeplessness, and it is often not a case of addiction or substance abuse problems-just desperation to actually sleep. The most popular "home remedy" is alcohol and benadryl. Some people like marijuana (also commonly accompanied by benadryl).
One of the major indicators that the problem is not alcoholism is the way in which insomniacs drink vs. alcoholics. Although the "methods" vary, many are similar to what I was doing:
1. Jog or run like hell for about an hour to get exhausted. 2. Arrive at home and take some benadryl. 3. Wait about an hour and a half to two hours. 4. Drink some beer as fast as humanly possible and then immediately jump into the bed hoping to slip into sleep before the effect wears off.
People who are doing this, unlike alcoholics, usually don't enjoy the drinking. On the contrary, night-time is dreaded because it means another battle to try and get some rest. Usually, these people don't drink at all except right before they try to go to bed.
Now, I am being treated for my insomnia with some of the newer medications. My psychiatrist has done so much more for me than my MD that it is ridiculous. I now can get to sleep within an hour 70% of the time or more. Now that my insomnia is being treated properly, I no longer drink or take benadryl at all, nor do I have the desire to do so. Although again I must stress that I never really had the desire to drink so much as I had the desire to sleep. Others with this problem who are also being treated report pretty much the same thing.
So, here is my advice to "Signed, Someone too embarrassed to post this logged-in":
1. Honestly examine whether or not your problem is alcohol related or is desperation from crippling insomnia, then commit yourself to be treated in either case.
2. DO NOT see a regular physician. See a psychiatrist or specialist who knows more about your problem.
3. Don't get frustrated-you are not alone. And there is hope.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Yes, this is a well-known disorder. Sometimes it is indeed caused by genes. Before coming to that conclusion, though, it's best to try cures based on the idea that it's a habit.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Since tryptophan to 5-HT' is a substrate limited rxn there's no need for a feedback mechanism, thus excess tryptophan ends up driving 5-HT" production. So it would make sense that an SSRI might drive 5-HT" via increased 5-HT' concentrations. But it doesn't appear to do so at all
PubMed. The SSRIs that affected 5-HT" levels did so by inhibiting degradation. Fluoxetine (Prozac) had no such effect. I suspect fluoxetine was prescribed simply on the basis that severe insomnia and depression are associated (i.e. whether insomnia is a symptom or a cause of the depression).
As an aside I don't know why anyone would take tryptophan when 5-HT" can be bought at vitamin stores. It doesn't make sense to drive 5-HT' production to supraphysiological levels just to get a little 5-HT".
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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This is what I've always thought for myself. I can function in the "normal" 9-5 day but definitely not at my peak. Whenever I don't have to go to work the next day, my natural schedule begins to immediately revert to being awake from roughly 2 or 3pm until 4 or 5am. It just happens and I'm not sure why. People have said that I would one day get used to getting up early once my internal clock readjusts itself, but I've had this job for almost five years and I'm no more used to getting up at 7am now than I was then! It still sucks. Even if I can manage to get to sleep by 11 or so.
I function best in the afternoons and the evenings. The early am hours are "me time" where I can write music, write, read in peace and quiet, etc. Maybe it's just that I prefer the peacefulness of the night time rather than a biological quirk but it's hard to tell.
-- I tried to dial REALITY once and I was informed that it had been disconnected.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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I almost certainly am. My 'natural' clock seems to put sleep between 5AM - 1PM (Though more often 7AM - 1PM). Most of my best creativity has been between 1AM and 5AM...
I fight it a little bit, mostly because it is hard to get anything else done if I sleep until 1pm and have to leave for work at 2:30. So generally my pattern is sleep 2-3AM until 9-10AM.
It doesn't help that I have certain 'checkpoints' (1AM and 4AM) where any tiredness due to lack of sleep seems to get supressed and I sit up another 1-2 hours.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Well, I'm certianly no expert on this, but it sounds like you have stress related insomnia. From what I've read and heard, high stress can cause insomnia and sleeping problems similar to what you describe. Given your story, it does sound like you are under a huge amount of stress. So the doctor gave you the correct diagnosis.
How to void or reduce stress, I really don't know. I just live with the fact that when I get stressed I will wake up multiple times a night and it will takee me around 1 (or very rarely, up to 6) hours to fall asleep.
Something that I didn't mention in my previous post which I do to help the situation, is to try going to sleep so that I have at least 9 hours of potential sleep time ahead of me. when I am really having problems I leave up to 10 or 11 hours of potential sleep time. That way, even though I don't sleep all of those 9-10 hours, I usually can get 7 1/2 - 8 hours of sleep.
In my experience dropping my morning coffee doesn't help me sleep any better at night, and often significantly ruins my morning.
There are, of course, medications that you can get from a doctor to help you sleep, but personally I try to avoid those lest I become dependent on them. Other than trying the tricks that I use (relaxing before I go to sleep, leaving time for 9 or more hours of *potential sleep*, keeping a sleep routine), I'd not want to suggest anything because I'm not a doctor.
If you look for stress related insomnia on google there are a lot of pages with different suggestions and ideas.
Best of luck, wish there was an easy solution.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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I sleep extremely well - usually I just have to lie down and five minutes later I'm gone.
The exception is if I have done ANY computer work in the two hours before I go to bed. Coding is the worst, but graphics, or even just reading Slashdot or playing spider does it.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Having separated from my wife, I find that I have been having some trouble sleeping. Partly its to do with having moved into a unit, but the thing I miss most is the presence of her in the bed, just knowing that she was there.
Also I don't sleep nearly as deeply as I did pre-separation, as I wake up a lot earlier than I used to, been seeing a lot of sunrises, so I get to work earlier now.
-- See my art -> http://herbevore.deviantart.com
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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"As an aside I don't know why anyone would take tryptophan when 5-HT" can be bought at vitamin stores."
because 5HT does not cross the blood-brain barrier, and tryptophan and 5HTP do.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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I recall reading a study actually which suggested that lights are partly responsible for many people having longer than 24 hour circadian cycles. Most people leave the lights on until they go to bed. Now your body is experiencing 16 hours of daylight every day instead of 9-15, so it's hardly surprising that people start falling into 26+ hour cycles. Using individual dim lights (desk lamps, reading lights, etc.) instead of bright overhead lights may help.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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And instead damage your eyesight. Not exactly a good tradeoff.
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Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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DO NOT OVERFEED FISH. Thanks.;-)
...or something may happen, you never know what.
-- If my call is important, why am I talking to a recording?
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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When I was young, I often could not fall asleep, and viewed the approach of the evening hours with dread. My parents had decided that seven o'clock was the ideal bed-time, and so from 'round about 7:30 PM on, I would lay wide-awake in bed, feeling restless and miserable.
It was not the early bed time that created this in me; I couldn't fall asleep until the wee hours of the morning, no matter when I went to bed. Rather, I would lie in bed, and without anything to distract me, would recount all the things I had done in the previous day that branded me a sinner in Jesus' eyes, and thereby condemned me to eternal damnation unless I confessed--typically to my mother, who would then administer a sound beating and pronounce me forgiven.
Mind you, when I refer to the sins I had committed throughout the day, I'm not speaking of theft, or murder, or rape, or even hitting my sibling when he took my toy. Rather, the most vile acts I aspired to commit as a young and budding criminal were things like going out in the back yard without first asking permission; making a snack of crackers or chips when I was hungry from the kitchen without my mother's approval; or pretending to read the Bible for the required two hours every morning but in actuality simply sitting there and daydreaming.
After returning to bed, while in physical pain from the punishment, I would quickly fall asleep since my mental anguish had been assuaged.
Then one night, when I was probably fourteen or fifteen, I finally decided that I would do the opposite of the old adage "better the devil you know than the devil you don't." I decided to, as a limited trial run, stop confessing my sins to my parents--thereby avoiding immediate punishment--and instead wait and see what, if any, delayed reaction punishment I would receive directly from the hand of God.
Some two weeks later, having lived every waking moment in mortal fear of thunderstorms (I honestly believed that God would strike me dead with a lightning bolt) I concluded the trial test and decided that either my sins were too minor to register on a very busy deity's list of Things To Smite Sinners For; that God simply didn't care what I, and most likely anyone else, actually did; or that God simply didn't exist and that he was merely an invention--a tool, if you will, for my parents to use in keeping me "in line."
From that moment on, I slept soundly. I no longer dreaded going to bed at night; I no longer looked upon the approaching darkness with fear. I could lie down in bed at nearly any hour and within ten or twenty minutes, pass peacefully into a satisfying slumber.
It was all in my head, and once I realized that, the problem went away. I'm not saying that this is the case and cure for everyone, just that in my own individual case, throwing God out with the metaphorical bathwater did me a world of good. I've been an atheist ever since, and guess what--a great many years have past since that time, and I've not been hit with lightning. My father "put his trust in God" and promptly died of cancer; my mother continues to believe that "God looks after the widow and the fatherless" and is approaching being penniless. Her mother, my grandmother, is also a life-long devote Christian, and is utterly crazy: she believes that the Devil speaks to you through the radio, albeit only on FM; that one of the drawers in her bedroom is possessed by a demon whom her frequent prayers to Jesus have somehow failed to dislodge (she never opens it, lest the demon escape to haunt the entire room); she is fond of stating that Gays are the lowest possible form of sin; first you rape women, then you murder women, and then you become homosexual once the thrill of killing women no longer satisfies you.
I, on the other hand, am a successful IT professional, married to a wonderful woman, and living in a quant Victorian in San Francisco. Despite having slept with a number of girlfriends before getting married, having no respect for my parents, not believing in God, and to top it off, living in Sodom by the Sea, I have never been struck by lightning, have never contracted an STD, enjoy more health, financial success, peace of mind, and in general good karma than any one Christian I knew while growing up.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Even more than that- the natural day clock of a human body is not 24 hours. It differs from person to person. Most people are 22-26 hours, and they can fit into a 24 hour day without much trouble. Some are as low as 20 or as high as 28, they experience significant drift and have problems.
+1 Insightful! My body clock would be quite well adapted to a 30-hour day (20 hours on, 10 off). Needless to say this makes working a regular job rather difficult. What's even worse, though, is that during this current period of unemployment, I don't have much incentive (between interviews and the like) to do my usual adjustment routine and so am now awake from 11:00 AM or noon to 4:00 or 5:00 AM.
Melatonin didn't work very well for me. My doctor prescribed Ambien, which didn't help me sleep but did bring back fond memories of my days using hallucinogenic drugs. For awhile I was taking Remeron (an antidepressant, not as strong as Prozac) and the antihistamine effect was knocking me out within 30 minutes of taking it. Unfortunately, the same effect caused me to gain 50 pounds in six months. I've changed to Wellbutrin, which doesn't have the antihistamine effect (and lost the weight) but am back to sleepless nights.
Meanwhile, those wakeful nights are at least a good time to work on my plethora of Web sites.
-- Vista:XPSP2::ME:98SE
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Margarine is actually not just corn oil, it's a corn oil product. It is partially hydrogenated, which constitutes a significant change in chemical structure. Furthermore, the hydrogenation process could possibly leave trace elements (catalysts and the like) that could trigger a reaction.
I'm not the GP so I don't know, but I just wanted to point out that your "Margarine -> Corn Oil -> Corn" is quite a stretch, really.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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Actually, most women will be exhausted directly after orgasm as well, for essentially the same reasons. But women don't lose interest after an orgasm, so I suppose that if you don't stop right after she has one she might get frisky again.
Of course, judging by the statistics, what is most likely is that she isn't having an orgasm. A surprisingly large number of women never do and of those that do many don't until middle age, when they reach their sexual peak. And while most guys want to care, many don't care enough about it.
But it isn't just the guy's fault, either. Girls need to learn about their own bodies; if your gf has trouble reaching an orgasm, encourage her to masturbate. Seriously. Girls that masturbate regularly know how their body feels when they're going to come and will be better able to harness that during sex with a partner. We start masturbating early because our penis is "there" and we peak sexually at a much earlier age. Girls have internal genetalia and a much smaller sensitive zone (the clitoris) to stimulate. Lots of my female friends confess to not exactly knowing how one masturbates and being too embarassed to pursue it seriously, and as a result only do it when they're feeling, um, very horny.
I believe the sexual peak thing is a big deal, too. When I was 17 I could get off 5 times a day. Now when my gf and I have sex I often don't have an orgasm at all, although it's still pleasurable. It upsets her, so sometimes I fake it (heh, joke).
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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XnR'rn
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As someone who suffered of insomnia after brain concussion, this worked for me: I started working graveyard shifts and not sleeping at night. For some reason, in periods from about noon to about six-nine pm. Hope it will works for you too.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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XnR'rn
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Try using Aristotle's (I think) sleeping pattern. 15 minutes of sleep every three hours.
Perhaps with those 4 hours of sleep at night added in it can be done continously.
Re:Agreed, insomnia is not a joke
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I tend to be that way, too. I'm at my mental peak when most others are sleeping. I used to be a mainframe operator, and worked third shift. Unlike almost everyone else on my shift, I was there as a volunteer. I did it for years and I loved it! I could leave work between 8:30 and 9:00 AM after starting at midnight (what a great commute!) go somewhere and do something, or just go home and do whatever.
Then I'd go to bed at 2:00 or 2:30 in the afternoon, in my very dark bedroom (I taped aluminum foil over the window and had a blackout shade besides) and set my alarm for 10:00 PM. I'd wake up refreshed, eat dinner, and go to work.
I have a day-shift job now, but wish I still worked nights. I'm also married now, and my wife wouldn't want me on third shift (all the married guys I knew on the night shift always had problems with their wives over it, I'd be no exception).
If you can find a third-shift sysadmin job, NOC staff, something that requires 24 x 7 work (I'm assuming you're in IT, of course, but there are other fields that have some night workers as well), you might want to try it. It worked very well for me. Bear in mind, though, that you really have to live the night shift all the time to be successful at it. Keep to those hours even on your days off, or something pretty near those hours, and you'll be fine. I was a night person even as a little kid (I remember being about four years old and always wanting to stay up and watch the late news, and I usually did; even after that, I never wanted to sleep).
Now, one of my kids is like that. She's still an infant, but won't sleep before midnight. A chip off the old block:-)
"Rum, buggery and the lash, and a little bologna?"
-- "Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
Like the phone in The Shockwave Rider
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CuteAlien
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There's been this service described in that book from John Brunner where people just could call and say whatever they wanted. The service guaranted only a single thing: someone would listen. Maybe something similar is the reason why people do write here: They hope someone will read it. Sort of a modern prayer;-)
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for humor, and -- no fooling -- not just to take the opportunity to be offensive. For example: I'm the GOP's worst liberal nightmare who just also happens to think Moore should stick to dumpster diving for facts rather than try terribly transparent sympathy plays (say that five times fast) to sway voters. You could say I live for comedy.
No one bothers to write in anonymously. Unlike Group Hug and other anonymous confession sites, which allow users to spill all without revealing their identities, messages to tired@tired.com are sent from the visitor's own e-mail client. Gripes about husbands, wives, children, and commanding officers come signed with the sender's real name and address.
Perhaps they were too tired to think of the consequences.;)
To have the full set of 32000 e-mails somewhere to read. Remove the names, e-mails, etc., and just POST them somewhere. They'd be quite a read, some of them anyways.
-- "Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you."
Some things I just wish I'd never found out about, this is one of them. Just thought I'd share. Sorry.
Re:that guy needed a fleshlight
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You bought one? We need stories! BTW, anyone who's visited a pr0n site with ads will know about that.
Re:that guy needed a fleshlight
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Anonymous Coward
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Why? What makes it any worse than, say, a dildo?
Why was I tired ? Dead-end job.
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The #1 reason why most of us are tired is the nature of work. Corporate IT is the most soul-sucking stultifying chore I've encountered in my entire life. I just couldn't bring myself to wake up until 9am, and then I would rush to work, a tiring commute, be tired all day & then go back to sleep, tired again. It was just so boringly repititive & mindnumbing. And its not one company or one set of colleagues - I've switched jobs several times & inevitably it ends up the same.
Finally I had the courage to save up some cash, quit IT for good, and "find myself". Introspection is so hard less than 1% of the planet indulges in it. It can reveal so many unpleasant truths about you. Like the fact that no matter how skilled I was, I was never going to fit in as a corporate whore anywhere.
When I finally took the plunge & did what I really wanted to do all along, there was no going back. Since then I've been so upbeat, so frighteningly happy, its scary. I've never worked so hard as in the past few months. It is both physically & mentally gruelling, but I never felt tired.
All you got to do is grow some balls, figure out what you really want to do, & then go do it. And yes, the nest egg is important.
Re:Why was I tired ? Dead-end job.
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I'm about to do the same thing; the only difference is I'm pretty much going to start out broke. Know what? I don't mind.
Making half or less what I am now is fine to live on, as long as I have more free time than I currently do. I am not an 8-5 corporate drone, and I've finally come to realize it. On my last day here, I'm coming in with a purple mohawk.
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In post-9/11 America, the CIA interrogates YOU!
Re:Why was I tired ? Dead-end job.
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It's the "figuring out what you want to do" part that is the toughest.
So enlighten us, how did you "find yourself"? Just curious. Most of my loser friends claim their sitting around in a dead-end $10/hr job is because they don't know what to do with themselves, but I believe it's just sloth.
Re:Why was I tired ? Dead-end job.
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Anonymous Coward
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: So enlighten us, how did you "find yourself"?
check out his website. looks like he went from being a software dude to a film director.
Re:Why was I tired ? Dead-end job.
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I already mentioned this elsewhere, but I totally agree. That is the biggest problem facing myself and most people I know... being ourselves. Either we feel trapped into doing something we really don't want to be (to pay the bills) or are afraid that being ourselves will alienate us from everyone else.
I'm facing that right now... still entry level corporate IT... but I already know that the structure I face ahead of me will drive me absolutely nuts... but 15k of debt and no college degree makes it hard to walk away and hope that waht makes me feel creative and alive will somehow pay for me to live.
Even Mike Kuniavsky is tired
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TardisX
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In seven years he hasn't yet gotten around to putting the closing on the web page.
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Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer
found it, guess I was just tired
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nothing like looking for something when you're knackered/exhausted/fatigued/stuffed.
I was so tired, I was expecting a letter as if from the ship:
I've been in service 50 years and they haven't rust guarded me for 15. Bits of me keep falling off and they've started replacing the fuel lines cheap underspec ones - it's only a matter of time before I blow up or kill my entire crew with the asbestos lagging...
My rivets are popping, my gaskets are leaking. The air smells of diesel, and someone keeps pissing in the air intakes. The bilge gas could kill a man at twenty paces, they haven't emptied it for years, and now it's classed as a WMD.
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-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
A round of Nyquill for all my sleepy friends...
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dj245
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...if we manage to somehow slashdot that itty bitty website.
-- Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
I'm so tired, I haven't slept a wink I'm so tired, my mind is on the blink I wonder should I get up and fix myself a drink no, no, no.
I'm so tired, I don't know what to do I'm so tired, my mind is set on you I wonder should I call you but I know what you would do
You'd say I'm putting you on but it's no joke, it's doing me harm you know I can't sleep, I can't stop my brain you know it's three weeks, I'm going insane you know I'd give you everything I've got for a little peace of mind.
I'm so tired, I'm feeling so upset Although I'm so tired, I'll have another cigarette and curse Sir Walter Raleigh He was such a stupid get.
You'd say I'm putting you on but it's no joke, it's doing me harm you know I can't sleep, I can't stop my brain you know it's three weeks, I'm going insane you know I'd give you everything I've got for a little peace of mind.
Give you everything I've got for a little peace of mind.
I'd give you everything I've got for a little peace of mind.
Mike doesn't reply to these messages, and he doesn't publish them
That's right, Mike holds himself to the highest standards of confidentiality by not publishing them. Except when they're just too good not to publish, such as this one he published in the article:
Tired of masturbating into a pack of bologna. Tired of wondering what my man chowder tastes like and if I did taste it, would anyone think differently of me?
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First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
I'm tired
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because at 15 I was homeless. At 18 I was accepted to college because I graduated 13th in my class 3.9gpa anyway (still homeless). At 20 I had to leave college, go home to work, to save my sisters from my parents. at 25 got married. at 27 found out wife had lupus & rheumatoid At 27 I went back to college while working full time. at 30 I had cancer & had to drop out of school (again) also went bankrupt and lost all savings at 35, have no home of my own, still have no degree so work for slave wages at the only job(s) I can find (since most companies just toss my resume, given the lack of degree). Can't quit job & finish school because wife NEEDS my medical insurance. Can't start own company either for same reason.
life sucks and I'm very tired of it
Note to self, post this anonymously.... Screw it, don't care who knows.
Re:I'm tired
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Anonymous Coward
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Just goes to show that memorizing a bunch of trivia and vomiting it on demand on a standardized form is not a sign of intelligence!
Of people using their "I'm trapped in my job/life because $BOGUS_REASON"
I'm in my thirties. I graduated with a 80ish average in high school. I dunno what that even hits on the GPA-o-meter.
I've never held a job for more than 30ish months.
I never went to college.
I make $150K a year as a sofware development consultant.
The companies are not tossing your resume because it lacks a degree.
They are tossing it because you haven't expressed anything to them that they want.
Do yourself a favor. Learn to sell. Get a partime job as a salesman in a commission based job--even grow into it fulltime. You will certainly make better money than slave. Go to the library. Read Books by Zig Zigler, Dale Carnegie and the like. Once you are able to sell crap TVs and "Extended Warranties" and make 3-5K a month, you are ready to Get a real job without a Degree.
At 35, a degree is a useless peice of paper that will not get you a job. You are old enough to get there on your merits.
If a 35 year old came to me with only his newly minted degree as his sole reason for being hired, I'd show em the door faster than Anna Nicole Smith wolfs down a cheeseburger.
-- "...In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true..."
Re:I'm tired
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Holy crap. If this is true... then I can't see how I have the right to complain about my life anymore.
I hope things work out for you. I do wonder though... where do you live? Welfare couldn't help out at least when you were younger? Sorry, really not my business, but.
Re:I'm tired
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My heart really goes out to you, and you are obviously a very very good man. I'm a female in my 20's with lupus and RA, and I can say that men like you are rare. I hope everything with your own health is going better. I will definitely be keeping you and your wife in my thoughts and prayers.
Re:I'm tired
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Fnkmaster
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That does royally suck, but you're not the only one who's had life, and particuarly family health issues, unpleasantly get in the way of career and success. I have had to temporarily stop working full-time to help take care of my mother several times due to her illness (yes, I can afford help, but that only goes so far with repeated lengthy hospitalizations, surgery in different states and so on). In my case, I don't think it will make a long term impact on my career plans, once I get back in the swing of things, I hope (I'm still 25 and have done an awful lot since college despite these issues).
Some recommendations for you though based on personal experience: look into living in states where reasonably priced personal health insurance is mandated - Massachusetts, relative to other places I've been at least, seems well ahead of the game on this. It's still freaking expensive, but compared to New York (where a single individual can pay about 800 a month for a decent POS, not even a true PPO plan), it's reasonable. This can give you a bit more freedom to make reasonable career decisions without having your health insurance be used as a weapon against you - in states like Massachusetts, you can't be refused coverage for pre-existing conditions, like your wife's lupus or your cancer, as long as you've had continuous coverage. Say what you will about the nasty liberals in Mass., their health insurance legislation is far more civilized and enlightened that Florida or New York (the others I have experience with).
Anyway, a hiring manager who's had some similar rough shakes in life should be willing to listen to your story and cut you some breaks if you can figure out how to get your resume past HR. Best recommendation is to try networking with people a bit, and get a personal recommendation to a hiring manager somewhere that will at least get your resume and life story in front of them. If I were in a hiring position and I heard that story, I'd be much more understanding about your job hopping or underemployed status and give your resume due consderation with that in mind.
Different sleeping pattern instead of drugs?
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totoanihilation
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Now, I won't proclaim to know ANYTHING about insomnia, but I've always wondered if there was a relation with the sleep pattern. Most animals don't sleep a whole night and stay awake for 16 hours, they sleep in 'naps' instead, spread throughout the day. Have you tried a similar pattern of sleep?
Here's a link to my previous post about this: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=110863&cid=940 9523
I'd be curious to see how this works. Also, it'd probably be wise to follow the instructions of the previous posters: No caffeine, drugs, alcohol, etc... Good luck!!
Re:Different sleeping pattern instead of drugs?
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Soaps
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Also known as the uberman sleep cycle. I tried it for a few months one summer. It really works, but you cant do it with an 8 hour a day job where your not guaranteed a break at a certain time. also, if you don't have a group of people your doing it with, all those hours awake and alone can get taxing on your mental state. here look at this site, sorry I'm not geek enough to actually place a link in so cut and paste.
My bike got messed up in the moving truck when I moved last fall, but I'm finally getting around to getting it repaired, and should have it back today.
The best I've ever felt in my life was when I had a summer job at UC Santa Cruz, which is at the top of a big hill, and I lived at the bottom of the hill. I rode my bike to work because I couldn't afford the parking permit.
By the end of the summer I'd ride back up to campus a second time, after work, just to get the ride in. I lost twenty pounds and felt great.
Sleep apnea is life threatening. Sufferers stop breathing many times while sleeping. Eventually, changes in blood gases (rising CO2 and/or falling O2) become large enough to cause breathing to resume. Sleep apnea is classified into two types, obstructive and central. Obstructive is due to airway blockage. Central is due to some loss of respiratory drive from the central nervous system. More information is here.
I urge you to contact your doctor. You might benefit from subsequent consultation with a sleep specialist. Nobody should force you into modifying your lifestyle if you do not want, but you might benefit greatly from learning more about the various known conditions and about your own problems.
I hope your story inspires others to seek help. You made some big changes, and I'm happy to read that they've worked out so well.
now I'm tired too.
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WebMasterJoe
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I'm tired of bologna and cheese now, thanks.
-- I really hate signatures, but go to my website.
Bored guy
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Anonymous Coward
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this will be the my last slashdot comment, am sick and tired of everyone here.
am tired of replying to post, which never gets more than 1 points.
Waiting for the next post on India.
There are several short acting benzodiazepines that might offer help for some insomniacs. I think they mainly are appropriate for short term insomnia. Do not rely on my advice, though. I am not a doctor. More importantly, I am not your doctor. Please see your doctor and, if necessary, a specialist. There are other treatments for other sleep problems, and awareness of the dangers of excessive daytime sleepiness, often resulting from sleep problems, has grown recently both in medical circles and the general public.
Benzodiazepines' action is not that different from alcohol. Valium is the best known one. It definitely helps induce sleep, but it has some bad side effects. Because its elimination is rather slow, many people wake up groggy and hungover. Zaleplon and zolpidem are two of the newer, shorter acting benzos. They usually help induce sleep and then wear off after just a few hours. I do not think that these drugs are right for every form on insomnia, but they can be extremely helpful for some forms of insomnia.
Re:Red Hat earnings restatement ignored by slashdo
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I'm not sure he's got the definition wrong. From m-w:
Main Entry: hypocrisy Pronunciation: hi-'pä-kr&-sE also hI- Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -sies Etymology: Middle English ypocrisie, from Old French, from Late Latin hypocrisis, from Greek hypokrisis act of playing a part on the stage, hypocrisy, from hypokrinesthai to answer, act on the stage, from hypo- + krinein to decide -- more at CERTAIN 1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion 2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy
e.g. purporting to believe that companies should be accountable for misdeeds, and then only applying the principle when it suits the/. agenda (i.e. against MS) and ignoring it when it does not (i.e. against Red Hat).
I'm not saying the poster's idea is right, but the use of the word is entirely appropriate in the context of the argument.
A spammer goes to a whore house. The Madam is out of women but, since she knows the guy is a spammer she thinks she can get away with a blow up doll and he will never know the difference. Being a bit nervous because she has never tried this one before, The Madam waits outside the door. The spammer comes out in five minutes. "How was it?", says the Madam. "I don't know," says the spammer, "I bit her on the ass and she farted and flew out the window!"
and2moeller at yahoo.com
Internal clock manipulation
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gr8_phk
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Since you have the freedom to set your own schedule, I have something to suggest. I once read that your internal clock can easily be pushed in one direction but not the other. As supporting evidence I'd like to site a number of people I know who experience jet lag more when traveling east vs west. I read of a study that claimed it's simple to go to be 1-2 hours later each night until you come around to the time you actually want to go to sleep (not sure what they did about sunlight). The problem is that most people don't have the flexibility to even try this.
Re:Internal clock manipulation
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merdark
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I've thought about trying this actually, but I haven't had the guts really. I do also have occasional meetings/appointments that end up being in the range of 10:30 to 2:00 pm (around 1 a week).
So far I've been able to move my clock backwards slowly, and if I really needed to I'm sure I could bring my schedule into sync with a 9-5 work week. Since it's not pressing or required, I've settled on getting up around 9:30-10:00 and going to sleep around 1:00 am. That way I avoid rush hour.;) Also going to sleep at 1:00 is nice since it's usually very quiet by then. I live in an appartment and am sensitive to noise.
If you can get your hands on the recordings made of the "apology line" I suggest you do. I think there was also a this american life story done on it.
Trusting simply designed web sites...
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Anonymous Coward
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From the article: "People trust simply designed sites. Tired.com's plain-text, unadorned format seems soothing and trustworthy, particularly when compared to the garish, on-the-make look of most sites" ....such as MSN and Slate's sites.:p
It's a part time job
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MacFury
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I know someone who spends atleast 3 hours a day reading and posting comments on LiveJournal. That's 20+ hours a week, or enough time for a part time job...
They've never met any of the people that they read about. Ironically, when I asked if they wanted to go to a party, they responded, "No, such and such is at a party right now. I want to read about it in their LJ as soon as they get home!"
i are tired because i work from 9-5 2 days a week and just game among other things until 2am...
im not sure what this relates to anything but if you must, mod me flaimbait i am tired as i write this
My number one reason for being tired
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hey!
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Being interrupted. My boss has undiagnosed ADHD; he loves being interrupted. He found a brand of cordless phone whose ring volume can be set high enough to be literally painful if you are sitting next to them. He was so delighted he bought a bunch of them and has distributed them throughout the office. Often if I've got into a "flow" state where I'm really productive, one of these things that have been . I turn the volume down on these things, but when he notices he'll turn them up again.
Meetings are taking forever because these damn things keep going off. My programming staff is becoming mutinous. The idea behind these phones is that he wants people calling in to be able to get a hold of people quickly, but it's backfired because I've had to let most of my staff work from home three days a week so they can get stuff done. Productivity is down; the boss wants to hire more programmers, and I'm trying to convince him to hire a receptionist instead.
Seriously, getting started is the hardest part of any task. If you are constantly interrupted, you're constantly revisiting the most difficult phases of any task. Even if you are doing things that are easy it takes a toll. Getting buckled down to do something hard is nearly impossible.
Conversely, even hard things are easy, if you can get started and stick with them.
-- Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
Re:My number one reason for being tired
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Hey, I have an idea. Rather than being all clever and attempting to "[convince] him to hire a receptionist", why don't you just tell him what the damn problem is. I mean, honestly... do you understand what workplace communication is? Repeat after me: unless you tell your boss what your problems are, you have no right to bitch about them. And if your boss is worth his salt, he'll listen... anything that causes an increase in productivity without an increase in payroll will be taken seriously.
Re:My number one reason for being tired
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hey!
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Hey, I have an idea. Rather than being all clever and attempting to "[convince] him to hire a receptionist", why don't you just tell him what the damn problem is. I mean, honestly... do you understand what workplace communication is? Repeat after me: unless you tell your boss what your problems are, you have no right to bitch about them. And if your boss is worth his salt, he'll listen... anything that causes an increase in productivity without an increase in payroll will be taken seriously.
Well, I keep trying to talk to him, but we get interrupted by the phone;-)
Seriously, the boss knows where I stand on this.
Your advice is good, but it isn't always as easily effective as you suggest. I'm helping the boss transition from being a lone entrepreneur consultant to becoming the head of a company. If you've never had the experience having to convince an entrepreneur to give up the habits and practices that have worked for him for years, I'd say don't underestimate how hard it is. Transitioning a small business is a tremendous challenge, because for the entrepreneur it's tantamount to changing his life. It may be completely obvious that centralizing an overhead function and doing it with a low cost resource is a good idea, the way it would be a good idea for me to get more exercise and eat less.
-- Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
I'm addicted to GroupHug.us
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boy_afraid
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Yep, I admit it, I'm addicted. I love seeing how other people are more f*cked up than I am.
Surgery doesn't always work. Weight loss might.
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MichaelCrawford
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I've been told that the surgery only has a 50% success rate. The advantage is that once you have it, if it is successful, you're cured and you don't have to deal with the damn CPAP machine anymore.
The disadvantage is that it's expensive, painful, and there is some risk. If you've ever had general anaesthesia, you will be hesitant to ever volunteer for it again.
If the apnea is caused by being overweight though, then there is a simple cure (well sort of) - lose the weight!
Now, I've always had sleep problems, but they were never so bad as during the period I weighed 250. It's not like that anymore now that I've lost the weight.
Strangely, even though my sleep specialist had his nurse weigh me each time I went in for an exam, he never once suggested I try losing weight.
There are other causes for apnea. Someone else said there are other kinds than obstructive, and even obstructive might not be caused by being overweight. So weight loss might not cure it, but it sure beats surgery.
My daughter didn't sleep through the night for the first three years of her life. She has food allergies, mostly related to cow squeezings. The first year of sleeplessness was spent identifying the allergens. The next two years were spent undoing the sleep-cycle conditioning, as well as discovering the sneaky ways food vendors add cow byproducts into all manner of foods.
As someone who has experience with long-duration sleep-deprivation experiments, I can say that you have my sympathies. I strongly recommend that you start teaching your daughter baby sign language. We started at about 6 months, and by 10-11 months we could communicate with our daughter. Made things much better once that happened. Simple things like "more" and "done" and "eat" eliminate a ton of guesswork.
Obligatory Simpsons Quote
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SLiK812
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The Metric System is the work of the devil! My car gets 40 rods to the hogs head and that's the way I likes it!
Prozac
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Anonymous Coward
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> My doctors tried a number of things but option number 1 was always Prozac. What nonsense, they hand that > out without thinking about it (in Britain anyway) and it really bugs me. No I won't take Prozac.
Another thing to keep in mind about Prozac the side effects -- a significant one being sexual disfunction.
No, I'm not talking about lack of interest, or it makes you into a pedophile: with me, it caused equipment failure. I could indulge hours of dirty thoughts & look at all of the pr0n I wanted, but in the end I would still be limp. And my wife reports she suffered the same unwanted side effect.
And for the 2 weeks I was on the stuff, I also had this sense of being apart from everything, as if the world around me was fake, as if it were a movie. (I killed a cat with the van I was driving at the time, and felt absolutely no emotion over the act; this lack of affect frightened me -- well, as much as the Prozac allowed me to.)
I'm sure Prozac helps some people's brain chemistry, but it didn't do much for mine. Thank God there are other drugs out there one can use.
why else would anyone be tired?
besides, Allison Fisher is hot.
Follow the white rabbit
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The scene in Matrix where Neo looks at the screen and sees weird messages....that's what happens when ppl are tired...the whole movie was just a sleep-deprived insomniac's daydream.
Re:Red Hat earnings restatement ignored by slashdo
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Anonymous Coward
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parent is OT not troll. sorry about the karma bonus.
Thanks for the tip on not proud.
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Anonymous Coward
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" My personal favourite of this ilk is Not Proud"
At not proud I found:
05/21/2004 at 21:29:23
I just got my pussy eaten by a younger guy I have wanted forever and found out he has no idea where his tongue was supposed to be working at. I kept moving my hips down to get him in the right place but he just moved right along with me. what a dipshit. I was so let down i masturbated after he left. Twice. I should have drawn a big X on it before he got started. Stupid young guys.
Odd results
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Anonymous Coward
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Very strange results.. It seems that 95% of all e-mails we receive state that the sender is tired because they have a small penis, in too much dept or wanting to see japanese schoolgirls...
I found this site on accident
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A few years ago, I was pounding out some work for a project, working crazy hours, and getting no sleep for a month.
Alls I know, is I was so tired, the only thing I could think of was my bed. So, I found the site on accident and sent an email... what the hell, why not.
I wonder what I wrote, I could only imagine. But, I am guessing its just as crazy as everything else people write in.
-- until (succeed) try { again(); }
Condensed summary of grouphug.us
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temojen
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From one of their posts, but neatly summing up almost all of them:
i tend to do stupid shit wen im horny.
More to serving God than money
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If you love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and serve Him, He will take care of you. Giving back is important, but there's a lot more to serving God than money. I haven't read the book you mention, but you almost make it sound like he's saying, "Give me x dollars every month, and God will give you a raise."
There's also more to prosperity than financial prosperity. Life isn't supposed to be about being financially wealthy.
Before you give money to God's work, examine yourself and your heart. In my humble opinion, you should give because you want to serve the Lord and His work, not because you want Him to bless you in return. I'm not saying I'm perfect at that either. But it's something to think about. Be sure you're giving for the right reasons.
-- "Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
He's collected 32,000 emails from tired people, including an one from a Navy ship at sea that's too good to be fake.
Take out the "an."
-- You create your own reality - Leave mine to me.
Why I'm tired
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Here's a copy of what I wrote to tired@tired.com
I wrote this a few months ago. I'm going to be a senior in high school next year. Publish it for all I care. Just leave out my name. My story is identification enough.
I'm tired of being the guy everyone turns to for help.
I'm tired of fixing your computer, I'm tired of setting up this web site for you, I'm tired of undoing all the malware which you said, "Yes, I'd love to have everything installed from Spyware Incorporated automatically." Hundreds of people casually say, "Hey Mike, you're good with computers....." and explain to me what's wrong. Well, fuck off. Seriously, you got yourself into the mess, and if everyone I knew hadn't asked me at some point to help them on their computer, I'd do it. But it's obvious that a lot of people are fucking up their computers, so don't fuck up yours!
I'm tired of spending three hours letting you talk to me about your adonis. He's 6 years older than you. He probably didn't notice you. I'm tired of listening to you bitch and moan about how this guy you're kinda with is in Italy for the month. I'm tired of listening to you. Why don't you listen to me? There's a grand total of three people who I can talk to, who listen to me, what I have to say, what I have to get off my chest (thanks Steph, Karen, and Leah). Everyone else are ingrates. They know I keep secrets. Hell, I could make some of you so embarassed you'd go to a different school considering some of the things I've been told.
I'm tired of authoritative positions. I'll accept the responsibility, beacause for the most part, I don't have any trouble handling it, and it brings me out of the ranks of idiots. I just have trouble dealing with idiots once I'm in that authoritative. I'm tired of people criticizing me for not doing a job they've never even attempted properly. I'd like to see you try to manage a bunch of bumbling idiots with below average IQs who resent the fact that I'm in a management position. During the school year, I'd like to see you juggle a 30-hour-a-week-job, 10 hours a week on yearbook, 10 hours a week on stage crew, and AP and IB courses. The summer is my down time, the only time I'm not tired.
I'd like to see you all try. Yet, I'm still friends with you, because I'm nice. There are three people who I get something back from. You three are angels. I'm tired of everyone else, demons, devils, usurpers. You suck up my advice, you plead with me to help you. You bitch and moan about why I need to help you, why you need this so much. I'm. Fucking. Tired. Go spend some money, which you don't even make, it's usually daddy's money, and pay someone to help you. It's amazing what happens when you realize you can't rely on nice people anymore.
Is there anyone else out there who has to deal with this? The majority of the/. community, I'd say is smarter than average, and has to deal with some of the things I've mentioned. Anyone the person who people confide in? Anyone the 17 year old who got a promotion to head cashier (or something similar) in 7 months when people who have been working for 5 years haven't? I know I bring my work upon myself, but I feel I'm not being paid back for my work.
-- --<Mike>--
Are there any posts on that site from...
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WalletBoy
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Lili Von Shtupp?
How not to be tired...
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Anonymous Coward
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I used to be tired. But I had my first child a couple of years back; I could not help admire that he gets up in the morning and the first thing he does is just smile. I was amazed at how little he needs to be happy (food, diaper change, hugs). So I have slowly simplified my own life -- I changed my job, we don't go for impulse shopping trips to the mall, we watch almost no TV any more and we spend a lot of time with each other, on the dining table, in the kitchen, outdoors, with friends etc. You need so little to be happy if you are clear about the fact that you want to spend a lot of time with your family and friends, even if it means you earn a bit less. I earn a bit less now, and we spend a lot less now but we are so much happier.
Yes, I did change my job (from being in IT for a large corp) to a small non-profit where people are much nicer; I make less for the same job of a Linux sysadmin, but it is such a joy to go to work for a place where people are not so materialistic and there is no office politics.
I doubt if this recipe will work for anyone else. But I think a simple life with a focus on human relationships -- rather than money -- helps make a more fulfilling (less emotionally tiring) life. If you are physically tired (rather than emotional/psychological, I mean), try a simple a brisk walk for 30 minutes a day.
from the parent post: I am tired of people who toss in fake links to add credibility to their moronic posts. I'm tired of moderators who don't think I am funny.
hopefully no further explanation is necessary;-)
-- "I have no special gift, I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
LOL, thanks. I'm an idiot. I didn't even read that last line.
-Lucas
Nor is Narcolepsy...
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For the past few years, I've been trying to deny that I have narcolepsy. I've tried changing my diet and exercise, but nothing worked. In fact, your suggestion is actually more dangerous than you realize...
My problem isn't a physical lack of energy; rather, my nervous system doesn't quite work right. My mind tells me I need to sleep even when I don't.
And I tried doing the things you suggest. Fortunately for me, the damage was minor. While the "normal" adult would benefit from what you suggest, a person with a neurological or mental condition can actually worsen their condition this way.
In my case, I found myself running farther and working out more just to get the same endorphin high. But, there's a point at which your body simply can't make any more endorphins, and the result can be quite dangerous. What happened to me was that I developed a "mental tolerance" to my body's own endorphins, and when I body reached its limit of endorphin production, I started to feel pain when working out. So I stopped working out, which caused my body to stop producing endorphins. The combination of my neurological condition and the absence of endorphins caused me to crash hard.
There were days when I could just barely muster the strength to call in sick to into work. It felt like I was glued to the bed.
Now that I'm being treated for narcolepsy, I can continue to workout and eat a balanced diet. But in my case, the cause wasn't a physiological lack of energy, but rather that my nervous system was "noisy"; I felt generalized pain and weakness when there was no physiological condition indicating such. By attempting to self-treat a neurological condition with a physiological cure, I actually made my situation worse. If the poster is suffering from an overactive nervous system, your suggestions would only make his situation worse; he would now be both physically and mentally restless.
I too was a lifestyle troll. I used to believe that the right combination of diet and exercise would cure my every ill - including this one. For years I've attempted to deny that I had narcolepsy by trying different diet and exercise regimens. But, after numerous tests and a few doctors, I'm coming to the realization that it is a very real disease, and I won't be able to go back to an 8 hour sleep by simply adopting the "right" diet and exercise regimen.
I know there are genuinely lazy people out there, looking for an excuse for their own shortcomings. But in my case, it's just the opposite - I want to do more, but can't because I'm overpowered by the urge to sleep. I've fallen asleep while walking! Unfortunately, due the efforts of change-your-lifestyle!(TM) trolls, it is difficult to talk to people about this without being told to "workout more" or "try this herb", etc... When I tell them I've tried what they suggest, they can't believe it didn't work; after all, if it worked for them, it must work for everyone, right?!
While it might be true that most engineers, politicians, managers etc in India speak English really well (comparable to a native speaker), it is a misconception that *everybody* in India speaks English.
Generally, I would say 50% speak no English at all, 25% enough for simple things (asking for the way, buying something), and 25% speak English well enough for a complex conversation.
(These are extremely rough numbers, in a small village the quota of english speakers will be a lot lower) but I experienced it first hand - I recently spent half a year working in india, and I, too, thought that everybody would speak english - boy was I wrong! Try asking for the way in english in the middle of a slum, or getting your motorcycle fixed in a hole-in-the-wall shop round the corner. Luckily, Indian people are extremely friendly towards strangers, so this kind of situations was usually resolved by someobody recognizing that i only speak english, calling over his uncle, who had a friend who knew somebody who could translate...
-- an electric guitar is a great stress redirector: it pisses off my neighbours but relaxes me sooo fine...
Re:India != english-speaking
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Generally, I would say 50% speak no English at all, 25% enough for simple things (asking for the way, buying something), and 25% speak English well enough for a complex conversation.
Oh, so percentages of English speakers are roughly equivalent to those in the U.S.
Just do not let the cops find you
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Whenever you are walking real late and the cops happen to see they cannot help but to stop you and ask you why you are out so late. Just being out late in the United States when a cop passes you is now wrong. Most the time they will do nothing, but it still does not feel right being accosted like a common thief for doing nothing other than walking out while most people are sleeping. I thought only totalitarian states imposed curfews.
Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?
Technology doesn't by itself change anythingø. Given the same level of technology, workers who work more will get more done. (*to a limit, in the end you're too exhausted to be productive, but that is far past 70 hours/6 day week)
Superior technology, on the other hand, allows you to work less (or conversely, become richer) than those with inferior technology. However, with the trend of globalization, it is equalizing all around the world. At which point it is all about "keeping up with the Jones'".
How many hours we work is a cultural choice, not really an economical choice. If the entire world cut their working hours in half, and stuck to that, nothing would really change. The thing is, some would want to work more hours, and then others would have to follow etc. etc. It's all about the "pace" we run society in. If we want to work ourselves to death, we can do that as well.
What it boils down to is money. If you work less, you have more leisure time. More time, but (given the same hourly wage) less money. And the price level is made for the "average" person, supply and demand. You will quickly find that your extra leisure time is too dull since you can't afford anything, so you'd like to work more. And so the circle goes on.
Kjella
-- Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
The whole problem is that with automation labor is not scarce.
Imagine an Asimovian society with 50 robots per human. Humans do not farm, cook, or do anything involving "work". And yet, they can have food, and all the necessities of life.
The problem is that in the modern world, the machines are not owned by ordinary people, but by corporations. Right now I do the work that many people used to have to do - because I have a computer at work. However, if I'm replacing 20 people that worked 40 hours per week, I don't get to work 2 hours per week. Instead, I still work 40 hours per week, and the benefits of the computer are reaped by my boss - the stockholders.
Frankly, one of the biggest reasons that people have to work all the time is to pay for their homes in the USA - since we all work ourselves to death, and all have a lot of money, and consequently we all bid up the home prices. Labor is a fairly non-limited commodity, but land is just about as scarce as ever. As a result, the value of labor deflates compared to land values. And we all need someplace to live. However, if we speant a lot less on land we could probably afford to not work nearly as often. I guess this is the tradeoff you make if you move some place where there are no jobs and housing is cheap.
I used to think that labor being cheap was just a modern thing - but technology has always had this effect. One of the biggest factors that raised the cost of labor would have been the abolition of slavery (perish the thought). Prior to that labor was no different than equipment. These days employers have hard trade-offs between labor and automation/capital. Back in the day labor was capital - literally.
As a society we can really work as many hours as we want. If we started rolling back the workweek at a gradual rate, housing prices would deflate accordingly. So would just about everything else in the overpriced American marketplace. Sure, the overall productivity of society would fall, but only relative to what it could have been. If you slash hours in keeping pace with productivity increases due to technology the only visible effects would be that overall wealth would stay constant for a decade or two until we get our hours down to something very comfortable (maybe even 10-20 or less), and then once we stop cutting hours wealth would start incrasing again.
www.howifuckedup.com is available
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This might be a much more interesting site.
Or mymostembarrassingmomentwas.com might yield some really good stories.
-- "A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
ObPython Quote
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"I think that all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! But I'm sick and tired of being told that I am!"
You have got to be kidding. Man chowder? Bologna? This is not an article I'd expect on MSN. Wow. This guy was digging deep into a mind that had way too many idle cycles to waste on topics most of us never bother to entertain.
On the other hand, I've been researching domains for some time and you'd be surprised what *hasn't* been scooped up yet. For instance, I just registered manchowder.com. The bidding starts now at $10,000...
10,000! Do I hear 15,000?
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*** You're just jealous 'cause the voices talk to me...
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Re:Red Hat earnings restatement ignored by slashdo
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Maybe Redhat was using Computer Associates accounting software... you know, from the company that brings us "software that thinks". Only problem is that CA thinks a month lasts 35 days
You're a geek, so fix the phone
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You read slashdot, therefore you are a geek. It thus follows that there have got to be lots of ways you can "permanently" fix the phone so it won't ring so loud;)
I meant in Suburbs of course...
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In cities alot of people walk even at night, so it does not warrant cops asking you questions like you walked out of a convenience store with a gun and brown bag.
But in suburbs if you walk alone at night past 1 P.M. you will probably be alone with the squirrels and birds. I can understand if the cops would stop people carrying televisions, but I do not think an interrogation is necessary for simply walking.
This is why I never liked cops. Most of my contact with cops is watching them hiding in their squad cars to ambush people and give them tickets so they can get meet the quota of however many tickets they need for the funding the police department so there are always plenty of cops to ask people questions when they walk late at night or drive a few miles per hour over the limit. I wish I could choose for more of my taxes money to support libraries and for less to support these blue uniformed accosters of the state.
Only on slashdot are you able to find people who achieved the supreme level of geekiness that enables you to spot that obscure fact, and then have the balls to ironically protesting it.
Kudos to you...
Come on mate, admit it. You are browsing raw html to calm your craving soul? Most likely by telnet port 80, GET, ubergeek style, am i right? =)
I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am.
-- MrCreosote
Meow!Thump!Meow!Thump!Meow!Thump!
"You're right! There isn't enough room to swing a cat in here!"
That's not it either....
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That's not it either. 'Who are you?' 'What does being yourself mean?' How many of those people that are worrying about how to behave could answer those questions? I don't mean in a sort of bland 'I am me' and 'doing whatever the hell I want' sort of answer, but a real tangible answer. Someone who has a firm grasp of the answers to these questions doesn't have trouble socializing.
The problem is that socialization requires man to view himself in relation to others. Is a person still a jerk if they're alone annoying no one? Is a man trapped on an island a reclusive hermit or is he 'the life of the party'? All the social qualities that people identify themselves with are based on their relation to others in society.
If a person is withdrawn from society their self-perception becomes fuzzy, and they begin to lose a sense of their place in society. This makes it stressful for them to act in social situtations because their social position is uncertain. They unconsciously or even consciously worry about whether what they're doing is proper. This is not because they 'just can't be themselves', but because they don't know who they are. This questioning is ultimately positive because it effectively forces them to define their identity.
The only real way to find insight into oneself is through socialization of others. You can't know if you're insensitive or annoying or arrogant without interacting with other people. Iz like quote from olde country: 'A man can sit on a stump thinking for eternity and never know his own ass'.
And then once you know yourself, you can improve your flaws. This is a lot better than people who excuse their behavior by saying that they're 'just being theirselves'.
Basically it boils down to: You have to learn who you are before you can be yourself.
Re:That's not it either....
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Very true, I overgeneralized too much. A definite part of not being able to 'be themselves' is not knowing who they are. Worrying about whether others will accept them for who they are discovering themselves to be plays a part for some of those people.
In any case, your olde country quote is dead on. Discovery of one's self can't be achieved by thought alone, it requires action on your part and feedback from others.
google to the rescue:
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BEDWETTING (SLEEP ENURESIS). Updated February 20, 1998. What is Sleep Enuresis? It is the inability to maintain urinary control during sleep....
Go see a doctor - either psychiatrist or sleep doc
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You probably won't see this, because I didn't see your posting until now when I was metamoderating. Sorry.
There are some non-doctor things you can try -
Melatonin's one of the popular ones (it's more direct than tryptophan or 5-HTP).
Cutting out caffeine's pretty obvious, or only having small quantities in the morning or early afternoon.
Exercise is usually good; some people here insist that morning's best, others say evening.
Television usually isn't good.
If you're having a lot of stress, try to do something about it.
Food - most people find that sugar is bad, but some people with bloodsugar problems react differently. Try a high-protein diet with only complex carbs, or try carbs and fats in the evenings and proteins in the morning.
Electric blankets help some people, including me, and obviously make sure you've got a good bed.
Be sure to spend enough time in bed with the room really dark and quiet, even if you're just staring at the ceiling.
Diphenhydramine antihistamines like Benadryl, Sominex, and Tylenol PM work for some people.
But basically, go see a doctor - have a regular doc make sure that there's nothing major wrong with your blood sugar or breathing or whatever, but then go see a specialist. Psychiatrists these days usually aren't the Freudian talk-therapy types, they're chemists who might talk with you for 15 minutes and then give you one or more of a wide range of chemicals that mess with the neurotransmitters in your brain, usually serotonin and adrenaline. If you're drinking heavily or using pot to medicate your self to sleep, you've probably got a chemical imbalance of the type they know how to mess with. Manic-depressive / bipolar and hypomanic problems seem to push people toward those forms of self-medication, so even if you don't have enough of a problem to be emotionally disturbed, it can still be messing up your sleep.
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New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
Re:why i'm tired *NEEP*
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Yes, a whole country speaking the NEEP language, measured in a system based on the metra, cashing in on pressed latinum, and in the Endorian time zone would really fix all the problems. If only I could take over the world and get this passed. LE-sigh....
-- Party at O'zorgnax's Pub! Buy me a Slurmtini aye?
John invited his mother over for dinner. During the meal, his mother couldn't help noticing how beautiful John's roommate was. She had long been suspicious of a relationship between John and his roommate and this only made her more curious.
Over the course of the evening, while watching the two interact, she started to wonder if there was more between John and the roommate than met the eye. Reading his mum's thoughts, John volunteered, "I know what you must be thinking, but I assure you, Julie and I are just roommates."
About a week later, Julie came to John and said, "Ever since your mother came to dinner, I've been unable to find the beautiful silver gravy ladle. You don't suppose she took it, do you?" John said, "Well, I doubt it, but I'll write her a letter just to be sure."
So he sat down and wrote: "Dear Mother, I'm not saying you 'did' take a gravy ladle from my house, and I'm not saying you 'did not' take a gravy ladle. But the fact remains that one has been missing ever since you were here for dinner."
Several days later, John received a letter from his mother which read: "Dear Son, I'm not saying that you 'do' sleep with Julie, and I'm not saying that you 'do not' sleep with Julie. But the fact remains that if she was sleeping in her own bed, she would have found the gravy ladle by now.
Slashdot Mirror
because this story posted at 5:08 AM, EST, and I am responding at 5:10 AM
;-)
enough said
kudos to whomever on the slashdot staff decided to post this story at the right time for it, at least on the East Coast
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
People are usually tired 'cos they didn't get enough sleep. In fact the condition "being tired" means that the body wants sleep. You don't need 32000 emails to track this phenomena.
I am about to fall asleep as I have sat up all night refreshing slashdot in an attempt to get a first post in.
I Guess this one should survive a good slashdotting, But, just in case, here it is in all its glory!
Are you tired?
Are you tired?
Tell us why.
I'm so tired, so i visited the site an.... ZZZzzzZZ
NO CARRIER
I'm tired... I believe i might even be in there for sending an email to that address. It really amazes me that people don't have a care in the world to about what they post on the internet, who they send it too, what harm it does, and how many people it might hurt. I've seen too many Live Journal's in my time that are just all about slanderring and nothing more or less than that. I guess it's like the MSN news site says about that site www.tired.com is that people just want to be in the spotlight, or share there story's whatever the case. I'm tired of people that want this to happen to them. There is more to life than living/ wanting to be in the spotlight, isn't there?
"No one bothers to write in anonymously [..] Gripes about husbands, wives, children, and commanding officers come signed with the sender's real name and address. Mike doesn't reply to these messages, and he doesn't publish them, but how do they know he won't? One theory he's encountered in his user-experience work: People trust simply designed sites."
There's a lesson to be learned here. Less bloat, more trust!
Underholdning.info
Insomnia is a terrible affliction, but oddly enough it doesn't seem to be insomniacs writing into this guy, just people who have enough time to surf the web aimlessly. These people are tired of life, not tired in the needing sleep sense. They don't think they have enough time for themselves, or they just don't want to be where they are. Insomniacs don't type "tired" into their web browser, they just stay up all night trying to go to sleep.
slashdot this!
including an one from a Navy ship...
dosent read good to me - must be tired
... first slashdotted webpage I've ever been able to read!
Are you sure it is such a good idea to post this on front page of /.?
32000 messages in 7 years? The will probably get 32000 more in the next 7 hours.
One reason that people are tired is that they are working excessive hours. Todays society risks repeating the same mistakes as the Victorian era; when children as young as ten would work alongside adults for 10 hours a day, 6 days a week.
The eight hour day / 40 hour week was one of the Labour movements' greatest victories, but this has been largely eroded in modern professional occupations. Many people work crazy hours. There is a whole culture that working yourself and your family into the ground is a good thing.
However some enlightened governments have strategies to deal with this- the issue of work/life balance has been big recently- check http://www.dol.govt.nz/worklife/index.asp or
http://www.dti.gov.uk/work-lifebalance/what.html
Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?
of never having stories accepted to slashdot that are much better than some of the garbage that comes through....
in order to maintain my record, i wish to remain anonymous ;-0
Wonder how many suicide notes the guy has received over the years?
Apparently you don't know what the word `hypocrite' means.
One sided? Yes. Hypocritical? No.
-If God wanted people to be better than me, he would have made them that way.
Okay. Now that's just disgusting.
interesting, all we need now is awake.com, send us your emails why you are awake, it will (we have been told) cure cancer and solve world hunger!
No, really. Why are people tired? Can we see the answers, or do we just have to click on the mailto link and bare our souls? What's going on here? It's a government conspiracy! They want to hear our deepest fears so they can make them real and make us into zombies!
Support desk woke me up an hour ago, presumably becuase they couldn't be bothered to wake up the person responsible.
Damn 24x7x365 availability... they'll be trying to page me out even after I'm dead.
I'm tired of trolls and kiddies who think that saying FP is cool.
12:39 here, EET
/. ? (Sorry for my English, I'm not a native speaker)
Is there a chance of some kind of a push-in alternative of RSS being incorporated in
I saw the news @ 5:13 and it was posted 5mins earlier. Makes me kind of sad, i've never been able to see less than 20 comments per article.
A lot of webdesigner should take a lot at this site. It's clear, has no distracting elements, is fast to download and serves it's purpose perfectly. Unlike many other sites out there.
No, it's "Are you tired?" not "Are you retarded?".
/., of course. And maybe michaelmoore.com. ;)
I don't think any site could handle the amount of traffic that would generate. Except
It goes from God, to Jerry, to me.
I'm tired because I just woke up after 12 hours of sleep.
I don't think he would appreciate your description of how you stayed up all night watching pr0n till 5am and you are tired from self-gratifying sexual exhaustion.
How much of the 32K messages were spam? If he registered that e-mail address, I would guess most of it.
If you ask me, this is cause to rejoice. As much for what this website is not as for what it is. This site is not some multimillion-dollar-making scheme, nor is it one person's springboard to "international fame". It is a simple site asking a simple question, and offering a simple, almost insignificant service. A tiny chance to vent, just for a moment. Yet 32,000 souls have bitched, ranted, whined, moaned, and otherwise unburdened themselves.
So what, one might ask. Why is this reason to make merry? Because of the connection. The site makes its plea, and people give what they have, leaving their hearts just a tiny bit lighter. People reaching out to each other across the void, to total strangers, in a trusting bond of shared service.
We live in dark times. Madmen think nothing of murdering thousands to advance their creeds, wars rage across the globe, slaughtering the children of nations from the richest to the poorest. Human greed and shortsightedness have afflicted the globe with pollution and plagues. Still, the shadows have not stifled all hope; there is light, creeping in around the edges of the dark, showing the way out: somewhere there is a mail server that has received 32,000 (and counting) emails. 32,000 instances of basic unselfish sharing. Power of the human spirit, my friends.
Oh, and I imagine a lot of retarded people would indeed email Michael Moore, probably beginning with "As a loyal Bush supporter..."
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
However, I often stay up all night, and have gone as long as five days without sleeping. The longest I've slept in one shot is 29 hours.
I have a hell of a time getting out of bed each day. It is endlessly frustrating to my wife, who would like me to share her much more regular hours. I always feel like I've been hit by a truck, when I wake up. My wife never used to understand why I would protest that I was tired, after waking up from fourteen hours of sleep.
I went to a sleep specialist, and had two sleep studies done, and was diagnosed with obstructive sleep apnea. The continuous positive air pressure machine that the doctor prescribed helped, but did not solve the problem.
Apnea is often caused by being overweight, and at the time I weighed 250 lbs, but I managed to lose 50 lbs and I don't think I have the apnea anymore. I still sleep very irregularly though.
It's a primary reason I am self-employed as a consultant. I don't think I could hold a job anymore, where I had to show up at any particular time.
It's 7 am where I am, and I've been working since midnight, and feeling great, but after getting out of bed yesterday afternoon I felt like hell and just wanted to take a nap until I came alive late into the night.
I don't think I have a circadian rhythm, at least not like other people.
Request your free CD of my piano music.
I'm serious.
Request your free CD of my piano music.
... and he still has just a placeholder for the site (and I thought I procrastinated)
CowboyNeal option in /. polls :)
Basically, you can't just move revenues around as and when you feel like it, there are rules you have to adhere to. It might seem trivial to you, but it obviously doesn't to the SEC and (more importantly) the stock markets. Also, RH's Chief Financial Officer resigned over this (by the look of it) so the company are taking this seriously themselves too.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
I think there is a common list of things which "tires" people:
1. Being stuck in a job - a LOT more people than they care to admit are into jobs they don't really like. Jobs that are no longer challenging. Or exciting. Jobs that are going nowhere. This is the primary reason for being tired, because the entire life, one day at time, is structured around the job - from sleep cycles, to time to be spent with family, take to wake up, etc. And it is very tiring and taxing, when this very job, isn't what one would really want to do.
2. Relationship - the less said, the better. Not every relation is pleasant. And by relationship, I don't just mean a boy/girl relationship. Relationship with the wife. with the kids. people at work. Neighbours. Between two nations. And it's so funny because though we all say "man is a social animal", this is precisely what we aren't taught - how to socialize, or how to maintain in a relationship. Or just be in a relationship. being tolerant. We are not taught that, but of course a whole load of algebra and trignometry, that finds no direct use in most lives.
Just these two are so crucial factors in defining the happiness and well being of each person.
For all weapons of mass destruction there may or may not be in the world, whether the world is safe or not, masses are mostly unhappy and hence "tired". And hence they find or try to find outlets to get of this tiredness. Whatever it may be.
Whoaa.. I've surprised myself I think!
http://efil.blogspot.com/
...but his webserver is now knackered!
Mike doesn't reply to these messages, and he doesn't publish them, but how do they know he won't?
Bit late for questions, he just did!
I have a 6 month old daughter.
A friend of mine said yesterday that he woke up at 4.30 and couldn't get back to sleep. I simply replied "As a parent, I can only say 'Screw you'."
this is getting old and so are you
blog
If anyone out there's read "Shockwave Rider" this story reminds me of "Hearing Aid" - a service where people can phone in and gripe and have someone listen... but not answer.
An amazing service really...
Judging by the comments in that old "What makes a good web design" story, it seems that the best website according to most Slashdotters would be a plaintext file. Makes sense considering that many here spend all day at CLI, and goes to show how out of touch people here are with good GUI design.
from moderating you bozos.... ,i tell ya
its a frikkin zoo
He was too tired to even bother making it valid HTML. Just about though...
I'm saddened that it took so many posts to mention insomnia.
I'm saddened that when I was 12 or 13, everyone thought I was "rebelling" by staying up way too late, sleeping until the last minute, and being groggy in school.
I'm saddened that I spent much of high school taking nortriptyline (Pamelor at first, then the generic as Pamelor grew too expensive) every night, just to get to sleep.
I'm saddened that my doctor, somehow convinced that I was faking things, refused to issue more prescriptions.
I'm saddened that I spent the rest of high school, and several years afterwards, downing Tylenol PM every night.
I'm saddened that I found solace in alcohol, which does the trick a hell of a lot better than Tylenol PM. I drink at least a six-pack of beer a night, just to get my mind relaxed enough so that I can pass out.
I'm saddened that if I get up at 6AM, work two jobs, come home, watch a little TV, and try to go to bed at 11PM without some sort of assistance, I just lie there for hours, wide awake in dreamland.
I'm saddened that I don't remember the last time I went to sleep without the aid of some chemical or another.
Those who have never suffered through insomnia don't know and don't understand the struggle, but are unusually quick to criticize. They don't realize the agony of being physically exhausted and wanting like mad to go to sleep, but having the brain keep working, thinking, stressing, preventing you from falling asleep. You tell them you can't get to sleep at night, they give you some bullshit about "well, you should wake up earlier," or "you need a more comfortable bed."
I'm not so sure that "tired of life" and "tired in the needing sleep sense" are mutually exclusive. The latter can lead to the former rather quickly when there isn't some sort of sleep-inducing remedy around. Fatigue is not a fun way to go through life.
Signed,
Someone too embarrassed to post this logged-in
as this is being posted in /. I belive mike will beat 100,000 messages really soon...
Although I'm so tired I'll have another cigarette,
And curse Sir Walter Raleigh,
He was such a stupid GET!
Oolite: Elite-like game. For Mac, Linux and Windows
"Rum, buggery and the lash, and a little bologna?"
"Win treats sysadmins better than users. Mac treats users better than sysadmins. Linux treats everyone like sysadmins."
There's been this service described in that book from John Brunner where people just could call and say whatever they wanted. The service guaranted only a single thing: someone would listen. Maybe something similar is the reason why people do write here: They hope someone will read it. Sort of a modern prayer ;-)
nearly 100 in the first week, a rate that's continued steadily for almost seven years, neither rising nor falling with the growth of the Net
Man is that about to change...
foo mane padme hum
Never, ever, EVER eat a bologna sandwich offered to you on a navy base or ship.
Ever.
Do you think we can /. this site? I'd be impressed.
No encryption can withstand the power of the Lucky Guess.
... I object to your leftist propoganda. You are a liar and a scam artist, but the media loves you so your are a hero.
and people write dear diary letters or dear Aggy letters or even just write stuff and burn it.
You write, you feel better, whether it goes in the bit bucket or someone's book.
A pity we don't get to read the tired navy ship email.
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
Don't get me wrong. I'm all for humor, and -- no fooling -- not just to take the opportunity to be offensive. For example: I'm the GOP's worst liberal nightmare who just also happens to think Moore should stick to dumpster diving for facts rather than try terribly transparent sympathy plays (say that five times fast) to sway voters. You could say I live for comedy.
Or you could say I'm a retard.
Either way I think I'm in the clear.
It goes from God, to Jerry, to me.
No one bothers to write in anonymously. Unlike Group Hug and other anonymous confession sites, which allow users to spill all without revealing their identities, messages to tired@tired.com are sent from the visitor's own e-mail client. Gripes about husbands, wives, children, and commanding officers come signed with the sender's real name and address.
;)
Perhaps they were too tired to think of the consequences.
Did you hear the one about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac...?
He used to sit up all night, wondering if there really was a Dog.
:-)
I've never shoed a horse, but I once told a donkey to piss off!
/me checks to see if "www.richandgullible.com" is registered
Read reviews of shopping cart software
To have the full set of 32000 e-mails somewhere to read. Remove the names, e-mails, etc., and just POST them somewhere. They'd be quite a read, some of them anyways.
"Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you."
I'm tired of Microsoft and their evil empire.
fleshlight.com
Some things I just wish I'd never found out about, this is one of them. Just thought I'd share. Sorry.
The #1 reason why most of us are tired is the nature of work. Corporate IT is the most soul-sucking stultifying chore I've encountered in my entire life. I just couldn't bring myself to wake up until 9am, and then I would rush to work, a tiring commute, be tired all day & then go back to sleep, tired again. It was just so boringly repititive & mindnumbing. And its not one company or one set of colleagues - I've switched jobs several times & inevitably it ends up the same.
Finally I had the courage to save up some cash, quit IT for good, and "find myself". Introspection is so hard less than 1% of the planet indulges in it. It can reveal so many unpleasant truths about you. Like the fact that no matter how skilled I was, I was never going to fit in as a corporate whore anywhere.
When I finally took the plunge & did what I really wanted to do all along, there was no going back. Since then I've been so upbeat, so frighteningly happy, its scary. I've never worked so hard as in the past few months. It is both physically & mentally gruelling, but I never felt tired.
All you got to do is grow some balls, figure out what you really want to do, & then go do it. And yes, the nest egg is important.
In seven years he hasn't yet gotten around to putting the closing on the web page.
Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer
1. create webpage asking for emails
2. Collect email address
3. ????
4. Profit.
(3. would be sell to spammers)
nothing like looking for something when you're knackered/exhausted/fatigued/stuffed.
I was so tired, I was expecting a letter as if from the ship:
I've been in service 50 years and they haven't rust guarded me for 15. Bits of me keep falling off and they've started replacing the fuel lines cheap underspec ones - it's only a matter of time before I blow up or kill my entire crew with the asbestos lagging...
My rivets are popping, my gaskets are leaking. The air smells of diesel, and someone keeps pissing in the air intakes. The bilge gas could kill a man at twenty paces, they haven't emptied it for years, and now it's classed as a WMD.
-- it must be true, it's on the internet.
...if we manage to somehow slashdot that itty bitty website.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
Thats why I freekin tired, now let me sleep at my desk. Thanks /.
flinging poop since 1969
how can something be too good to be fake? if it's too good, wouldn't that indicate it IS fake?
"Save me jebus!" - Homer Simpson (btw, I'm probably talkin out of me arse)
I'd never thought of that. I'll have to give it a try! This is why the Web is such a wonderful thing: you learn so many useful things!
the number one nastiest thing to hit livejournal: ratings communities
Word. They're shameless and disgusting.
(on-topic)
I'm tired of those.
(I'm So Tired -- The Beatles)
Mike doesn't reply to these messages, and he doesn't publish them
That's right, Mike holds himself to the highest standards of confidentiality by not publishing them. Except when they're just too good not to publish, such as this one he published in the article:
- First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then ???, then profit.
...that i can't conform to the w3c standard.
At 18 I was accepted to college because I graduated 13th in my class 3.9gpa anyway (still homeless).
At 20 I had to leave college, go home to work, to save my sisters from my parents.
at 25 got married.
at 27 found out wife had lupus & rheumatoid
At 27 I went back to college while working full time.
at 30 I had cancer & had to drop out of school (again) also went bankrupt and lost all savings
at 35, have no home of my own, still have no degree so work for slave wages at the only job(s) I can find (since most companies just toss my resume, given the lack of degree). Can't quit job & finish school because wife NEEDS my medical insurance. Can't start own company either for same reason.
life sucks and I'm very tired of it
Note to self, post this anonymously.... Screw it, don't care who knows.
Now, I won't proclaim to know ANYTHING about insomnia, but I've always wondered if there was a relation with the sleep pattern. Most animals don't sleep a whole night and stay awake for 16 hours, they sleep in 'naps' instead, spread throughout the day. Have you tried a similar pattern of sleep?
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Here's a link to my previous post about this: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=110863&cid=94
I'd be curious to see how this works. Also, it'd probably be wise to follow the instructions of the previous posters: No caffeine, drugs, alcohol, etc...
Good luck!!
Tell your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/real doll that all you need is a BJ before bed. That clears the mind nicely.
Another tiny site with a cool domain. http://www.frustrated.com/
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The best I've ever felt in my life was when I had a summer job at UC Santa Cruz, which is at the top of a big hill, and I lived at the bottom of the hill. I rode my bike to work because I couldn't afford the parking permit.
By the end of the summer I'd ride back up to campus a second time, after work, just to get the ride in. I lost twenty pounds and felt great.
I hope to reproduce that in the next few months.
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1) make a tiny website asking thousands of people why they are tired 2) ???? 3) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Get a life! .. get a bed then!
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Sleep apnea is life threatening. Sufferers stop breathing many times while sleeping. Eventually, changes in blood gases (rising CO2 and/or falling O2) become large enough to cause breathing to resume. Sleep apnea is classified into two types, obstructive and central. Obstructive is due to airway blockage. Central is due to some loss of respiratory drive from the central nervous system. More information is here.
I urge you to contact your doctor. You might benefit from subsequent consultation with a sleep specialist. Nobody should force you into modifying your lifestyle if you do not want, but you might benefit greatly from learning more about the various known conditions and about your own problems.
I hope your story inspires others to seek help. You made some big changes, and I'm happy to read that they've worked out so well.
I'm tired of bologna and cheese now, thanks.
I really hate signatures, but go to my website.
this will be the my last slashdot comment, am sick and tired of everyone here.
am tired of replying to post, which never gets more than 1 points.
Waiting for the next post on India.
There are several short acting benzodiazepines that might offer help for some insomniacs. I think they mainly are appropriate for short term insomnia. Do not rely on my advice, though. I am not a doctor. More importantly, I am not your doctor. Please see your doctor and, if necessary, a specialist. There are other treatments for other sleep problems, and awareness of the dangers of excessive daytime sleepiness, often resulting from sleep problems, has grown recently both in medical circles and the general public.
Benzodiazepines' action is not that different from alcohol. Valium is the best known one. It definitely helps induce sleep, but it has some bad side effects. Because its elimination is rather slow, many people wake up groggy and hungover. Zaleplon and zolpidem are two of the newer, shorter acting benzos. They usually help induce sleep and then wear off after just a few hours. I do not think that these drugs are right for every form on insomnia, but they can be extremely helpful for some forms of insomnia.
I'm not sure he's got the definition wrong. From m-w:
/. agenda (i.e. against MS) and ignoring it when it does not (i.e. against Red Hat).
Main Entry: hypocrisy
Pronunciation: hi-'pä-kr&-sE also hI-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -sies
Etymology: Middle English ypocrisie, from Old French, from Late Latin hypocrisis, from Greek hypokrisis act of playing a part on the stage, hypocrisy, from hypokrinesthai to answer, act on the stage, from hypo- + krinein to decide -- more at CERTAIN
1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy
e.g. purporting to believe that companies should be accountable for misdeeds, and then only applying the principle when it suits the
I'm not saying the poster's idea is right, but the use of the word is entirely appropriate in the context of the argument.
A spammer goes to a whore house. The Madam is out of women but, since she knows the guy is a spammer she thinks she can get away with a blow up doll and he will never know the difference. Being a bit nervous because she has never tried this one before, The Madam waits outside the door. The spammer comes out in five minutes. "How was it?", says the Madam.
"I don't know," says the spammer, "I bit her on the ass and she farted and flew out the window!"
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Since you have the freedom to set your own schedule, I have something to suggest. I once read that your internal clock can easily be pushed in one direction but not the other. As supporting evidence I'd like to site a number of people I know who experience jet lag more when traveling east vs west. I read of a study that claimed it's simple to go to be 1-2 hours later each night until you come around to the time you actually want to go to sleep (not sure what they did about sunlight). The problem is that most people don't have the flexibility to even try this.
...trying to keep his server from spontanieously bursting into flames....
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If you can get your hands on the recordings made of the "apology line" I suggest you do. I think there was also a this american life story done on it.
From the article: ....such as MSN and Slate's sites. :p
"People trust simply designed sites. Tired.com's plain-text, unadorned format seems soothing and trustworthy, particularly when compared to the garish, on-the-make look of most sites"
They've never met any of the people that they read about. Ironically, when I asked if they wanted to go to a party, they responded, "No, such and such is at a party right now. I want to read about it in their LJ as soon as they get home!"
i are tired because i work from 9-5 2 days a week and just game among other things until 2am...
im not sure what this relates to anything but if you must, mod me flaimbait
i am tired as i write this
Being interrupted. My boss has undiagnosed ADHD; he loves being interrupted. He found a brand of cordless phone whose ring volume can be set high enough to be literally painful if you are sitting next to them. He was so delighted he bought a bunch of them and has distributed them throughout the office. Often if I've got into a "flow" state where I'm really productive, one of these things that have been . I turn the volume down on these things, but when he notices he'll turn them up again.
Meetings are taking forever because these damn things keep going off. My programming staff is becoming mutinous. The idea behind these phones is that he wants people calling in to be able to get a hold of people quickly, but it's backfired because I've had to let most of my staff work from home three days a week so they can get stuff done. Productivity is down; the boss wants to hire more programmers, and I'm trying to convince him to hire a receptionist instead.
Seriously, getting started is the hardest part of any task. If you are constantly interrupted, you're constantly revisiting the most difficult phases of any task. Even if you are doing things that are easy it takes a toll. Getting buckled down to do something hard is nearly impossible.
Conversely, even hard things are easy, if you can get started and stick with them.
Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
Yep, I admit it, I'm addicted. I love seeing how other people are more f*cked up than I am.
The disadvantage is that it's expensive, painful, and there is some risk. If you've ever had general anaesthesia, you will be hesitant to ever volunteer for it again.
If the apnea is caused by being overweight though, then there is a simple cure (well sort of) - lose the weight!
Now, I've always had sleep problems, but they were never so bad as during the period I weighed 250. It's not like that anymore now that I've lost the weight.
Strangely, even though my sleep specialist had his nurse weigh me each time I went in for an exam, he never once suggested I try losing weight.
There are other causes for apnea. Someone else said there are other kinds than obstructive, and even obstructive might not be caused by being overweight. So weight loss might not cure it, but it sure beats surgery.
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My daughter didn't sleep through the night for the first three years of her life. She has food allergies, mostly related to cow squeezings. The first year of sleeplessness was spent identifying the allergens. The next two years were spent undoing the sleep-cycle conditioning, as well as discovering the sneaky ways food vendors add cow byproducts into all manner of foods.
As someone who has experience with long-duration sleep-deprivation experiments, I can say that you have my sympathies. I strongly recommend that you start teaching your daughter baby sign language. We started at about 6 months, and by 10-11 months we could communicate with our daughter. Made things much better once that happened. Simple things like "more" and "done" and "eat" eliminate a ton of guesswork.
The Metric System is the work of the devil! My car gets 40 rods to the hogs head and that's the way I likes it!
> My doctors tried a number of things but option number 1 was always Prozac. What nonsense, they hand that
> out without thinking about it (in Britain anyway) and it really bugs me. No I won't take Prozac.
Another thing to keep in mind about Prozac the side effects -- a significant one being sexual disfunction.
No, I'm not talking about lack of interest, or it makes you into a pedophile: with me, it caused equipment failure. I could indulge hours of dirty thoughts & look at all of the pr0n I wanted, but in the end I would still be limp. And my wife reports she suffered the same unwanted side effect.
And for the 2 weeks I was on the stuff, I also had this sense of being apart from everything, as if the world around me was fake, as if it were a movie. (I killed a cat with the van I was driving at the time, and felt absolutely no emotion over the act; this lack of affect frightened me -- well, as much as the Prozac allowed me to.)
I'm sure Prozac helps some people's brain chemistry, but it didn't do much for mine. Thank God there are other drugs out there one can use.
why else would anyone be tired? besides, Allison Fisher is hot.
The scene in Matrix where Neo looks at the screen and sees weird messages....that's what happens when ppl are tired...the whole movie was just a sleep-deprived insomniac's daydream.
The most commonly used currency is from a Legend of Zelda video game???
When modding "Informative", please make sure it both has a source and IS actually informative.
parent is OT not troll. sorry about the karma bonus.
" My personal favourite of this ilk is Not Proud"
At not proud I found:
05/21/2004 at 21:29:23
I just got my pussy eaten by a younger guy I have wanted forever and found out he has no idea where his tongue was supposed to be working at. I kept moving my hips down to get him in the right place but he just moved right along with me. what a dipshit. I was so let down i masturbated after he left. Twice. I should have drawn a big X on it before he got started. Stupid young guys.
Very strange results.. It seems that 95% of all e-mails we receive state that the sender is tired because they have a small penis, in too much dept or wanting to see japanese schoolgirls...
A few years ago, I was pounding out some work for a project, working crazy hours, and getting no sleep for a month.
... what the hell, why not.
Alls I know, is I was so tired, the only thing I could think of was my bed. So, I found the site on accident and sent an email
I wonder what I wrote, I could only imagine. But, I am guessing its just as crazy as everything else people write in.
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From one of their posts, but neatly summing up almost all of them:
If you love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and serve Him, He will take care of you. Giving back is important, but there's a lot more to serving God than money. I haven't read the book you mention, but you almost make it sound like he's saying, "Give me x dollars every month, and God will give you a raise."
There's also more to prosperity than financial prosperity. Life isn't supposed to be about being financially wealthy.
Before you give money to God's work, examine yourself and your heart. In my humble opinion, you should give because you want to serve the Lord and His work, not because you want Him to bless you in return. I'm not saying I'm perfect at that either. But it's something to think about. Be sure you're giving for the right reasons.
"Those who consume the bulk of goods are those who make them. We must never forget this secret of our prosperity."
use Gmail to store the 32,000 messages?
He's collected 32,000 emails from tired people, including an one from a Navy ship at sea that's too good to be fake.
Take out the "an."
You create your own reality - Leave mine to me.
I'm tired of being the guy everyone turns to for help.
I'm tired of fixing your computer, I'm tired of setting up this web site for you, I'm tired of undoing all the malware which you said, "Yes, I'd love to have everything installed from Spyware Incorporated automatically." Hundreds of people casually say, "Hey Mike, you're good with computers....." and explain to me what's wrong. Well, fuck off. Seriously, you got yourself into the mess, and if everyone I knew hadn't asked me at some point to help them on their computer, I'd do it. But it's obvious that a lot of people are fucking up their computers, so don't fuck up yours!
I'm tired of spending three hours letting you talk to me about your adonis. He's 6 years older than you. He probably didn't notice you. I'm tired of listening to you bitch and moan about how this guy you're kinda with is in Italy for the month. I'm tired of listening to you. Why don't you listen to me? There's a grand total of three people who I can talk to, who listen to me, what I have to say, what I have to get off my chest (thanks Steph, Karen, and Leah). Everyone else are ingrates. They know I keep secrets. Hell, I could make some of you so embarassed you'd go to a different school considering some of the things I've been told.
I'm tired of authoritative positions. I'll accept the responsibility, beacause for the most part, I don't have any trouble handling it, and it brings me out of the ranks of idiots. I just have trouble dealing with idiots once I'm in that authoritative. I'm tired of people criticizing me for not doing a job they've never even attempted properly. I'd like to see you try to manage a bunch of bumbling idiots with below average IQs who resent the fact that I'm in a management position. During the school year, I'd like to see you juggle a 30-hour-a-week-job, 10 hours a week on yearbook, 10 hours a week on stage crew, and AP and IB courses. The summer is my down time, the only time I'm not tired.
I'd like to see you all try. Yet, I'm still friends with you, because I'm nice. There are three people who I get something back from. You three are angels. I'm tired of everyone else, demons, devils, usurpers. You suck up my advice, you plead with me to help you. You bitch and moan about why I need to help you, why you need this so much. I'm. Fucking. Tired. Go spend some money, which you don't even make, it's usually daddy's money, and pay someone to help you. It's amazing what happens when you realize you can't rely on nice people anymore.
Is there anyone else out there who has to deal with this? The majority of the
--<Mike>--
Lili Von Shtupp?
I used to be tired. But I had my first child a couple of years back; I could not help admire that he gets up in the morning and the first thing he does is just smile. I was amazed at how little he needs to be happy (food, diaper change, hugs). So I have slowly simplified my own life -- I changed my job, we don't go for impulse shopping trips to the mall, we watch almost no TV any more and we spend a lot of time with each other, on the dining table, in the kitchen, outdoors, with friends etc. You need so little to be happy if you are clear about the fact that you want to spend a lot of time with your family and friends, even if it means you earn a bit less. I earn a bit less now, and we spend a lot less now but we are so much happier.
Yes, I did change my job (from being in IT for a large corp) to a small non-profit where people are much nicer; I make less for the same job of a Linux sysadmin, but it is such a joy to go to work for a place where people are not so materialistic and there is no office politics.
I doubt if this recipe will work for anyone else. But I think a simple life with a focus on human relationships -- rather than money -- helps make a more fulfilling (less emotionally tiring) life. If you are physically tired (rather than emotional/psychological, I mean), try a simple a brisk walk for 30 minutes a day.
from the parent post:
I am tired of people who toss in fake links to add credibility to their moronic posts. I'm tired of moderators who don't think I am funny.
hopefully no further explanation is necessary ;-)
"I have no special gift, I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
For the past few years, I've been trying to deny that I have narcolepsy. I've tried changing my diet and exercise, but nothing worked. In fact, your suggestion is actually more dangerous than you realize...
My problem isn't a physical lack of energy; rather, my nervous system doesn't quite work right. My mind tells me I need to sleep even when I don't.
And I tried doing the things you suggest. Fortunately for me, the damage was minor. While the "normal" adult would benefit from what you suggest, a person with a neurological or mental condition can actually worsen their condition this way.
In my case, I found myself running farther and working out more just to get the same endorphin high. But, there's a point at which your body simply can't make any more endorphins, and the result can be quite dangerous. What happened to me was that I developed a "mental tolerance" to my body's own endorphins, and when I body reached its limit of endorphin production, I started to feel pain when working out. So I stopped working out, which caused my body to stop producing endorphins. The combination of my neurological condition and the absence of endorphins caused me to crash hard.
There were days when I could just barely muster the strength to call in sick to into work. It felt like I was glued to the bed.
Now that I'm being treated for narcolepsy, I can continue to workout and eat a balanced diet. But in my case, the cause wasn't a physiological lack of energy, but rather that my nervous system was "noisy"; I felt generalized pain and weakness when there was no physiological condition indicating such. By attempting to self-treat a neurological condition with a physiological cure, I actually made my situation worse. If the poster is suffering from an overactive nervous system, your suggestions would only make his situation worse; he would now be both physically and mentally restless.
I too was a lifestyle troll. I used to believe that the right combination of diet and exercise would cure my every ill - including this one. For years I've attempted to deny that I had narcolepsy by trying different diet and exercise regimens. But, after numerous tests and a few doctors, I'm coming to the realization that it is a very real disease, and I won't be able to go back to an 8 hour sleep by simply adopting the "right" diet and exercise regimen.
I know there are genuinely lazy people out there, looking for an excuse for their own shortcomings. But in my case, it's just the opposite - I want to do more, but can't because I'm overpowered by the urge to sleep. I've fallen asleep while walking! Unfortunately, due the efforts of change-your-lifestyle!(TM) trolls, it is difficult to talk to people about this without being told to "workout more" or "try this herb", etc... When I tell them I've tried what they suggest, they can't believe it didn't work; after all, if it worked for them, it must work for everyone, right?!
While it might be true that most engineers, politicians, managers etc in India speak English really well (comparable to a native speaker), it is a misconception that *everybody* in India speaks English.
Generally, I would say 50% speak no English at all, 25% enough for simple things (asking for the way, buying something), and 25% speak English well enough for a complex conversation.
(These are extremely rough numbers, in a small village the quota of english speakers will be a lot lower) but I experienced it first hand - I recently spent half a year working in india, and I, too, thought that everybody would speak english - boy was I wrong! Try asking for the way in english in the middle of a slum, or getting your motorcycle fixed in a hole-in-the-wall shop round the corner.
Luckily, Indian people are extremely friendly towards strangers, so this kind of situations was usually resolved by someobody recognizing that i only speak english, calling over his uncle, who had a friend who knew somebody who could translate...
an electric guitar is a great stress redirector: it pisses off my neighbours but relaxes me sooo fine...
Whenever you are walking real late and the cops happen to see they cannot help but to stop you and ask you why you are out so late. Just being out late in the United States when a cop passes you is now wrong. Most the time they will do nothing, but it still does not feel right being accosted like a common thief for doing nothing other than walking out while most people are sleeping. I thought only totalitarian states imposed curfews.
Whatever happened to the 60's notion that technology would have us working less?
Technology doesn't by itself change anythingø. Given the same level of technology, workers who work more will get more done. (*to a limit, in the end you're too exhausted to be productive, but that is far past 70 hours/6 day week)
Superior technology, on the other hand, allows you to work less (or conversely, become richer) than those with inferior technology. However, with the trend of globalization, it is equalizing all around the world. At which point it is all about "keeping up with the Jones'".
How many hours we work is a cultural choice, not really an economical choice. If the entire world cut their working hours in half, and stuck to that, nothing would really change. The thing is, some would want to work more hours, and then others would have to follow etc. etc. It's all about the "pace" we run society in. If we want to work ourselves to death, we can do that as well.
What it boils down to is money. If you work less, you have more leisure time. More time, but (given the same hourly wage) less money. And the price level is made for the "average" person, supply and demand. You will quickly find that your extra leisure time is too dull since you can't afford anything, so you'd like to work more. And so the circle goes on.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
This might be a much more interesting site.
Or mymostembarrassingmomentwas.com might yield some really good stories.
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"A great democracy must be progressive or it will soon cease to be a great democracy." --Theodore Roosevelt
"I think that all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! But I'm sick and tired of being told that I am!"
You have got to be kidding. Man chowder? Bologna? This is not an article I'd expect on MSN. Wow. This guy was digging deep into a mind that had way too many idle cycles to waste on topics most of us never bother to entertain.
On the other hand, I've been researching domains for some time and you'd be surprised what *hasn't* been scooped up yet. For instance, I just registered manchowder.com. The bidding starts now at $10,000...
10,000! Do I hear 15,000?
*** *** You're just jealous 'cause the voices talk to me... ***
Maybe Redhat was using Computer Associates accounting software... you know, from the company that brings us "software that thinks". Only problem is that CA thinks a month lasts 35 days
You read slashdot, therefore you are a geek. It thus follows that there have got to be lots of ways you can "permanently" fix the phone so it won't ring so loud ;)
In cities alot of people walk even at night, so it does not warrant cops asking you questions like you walked out of a convenience store with a gun and brown bag.
But in suburbs if you walk alone at night past 1 P.M. you will probably be alone with the squirrels and birds. I can understand if the cops would stop people carrying televisions, but I do not think an interrogation is necessary for simply walking.
This is why I never liked cops. Most of my contact with cops is watching them hiding in their squad cars to ambush people and give them tickets so they can get meet the quota of however many tickets they need for the funding the police department so there are always plenty of cops to ask people questions when they walk late at night or drive a few miles per hour over the limit. I wish I could choose for more of my taxes money to support libraries and for less to support these blue uniformed accosters of the state.
Only on slashdot are you able to find people who achieved the supreme level of geekiness that enables you to spot that obscure fact, and then have the balls to ironically protesting it.
Kudos to you...
Come on mate, admit it. You are browsing raw html to calm your craving soul? Most likely by telnet port 80, GET, ubergeek style, am i right? =)
I think all right-thinking people in this country are sick and tired of being told that ordinary, decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I'm certainly not! And I'm sick and tired of being told that I am.
MrCreosote Meow!Thump!Meow!Thump!Meow!Thump! "You're right! There isn't enough room to swing a cat in here!"
That's not it either.
'Who are you?'
'What does being yourself mean?'
How many of those people that are worrying about how to behave could answer those questions? I don't mean in a sort of bland 'I am me' and 'doing whatever the hell I want' sort of answer, but a real tangible answer. Someone who has a firm grasp of the answers to these questions doesn't have trouble socializing.
The problem is that socialization requires man to view himself in relation to others.
Is a person still a jerk if they're alone annoying no one?
Is a man trapped on an island a reclusive hermit or is he 'the life of the party'?
All the social qualities that people identify themselves with are based on their relation to others in society.
If a person is withdrawn from society their self-perception becomes fuzzy, and they begin to lose a sense of their place in society. This makes it stressful for them to act in social situtations because their social position is uncertain. They unconsciously or even consciously worry about whether what they're doing is proper. This is not because they 'just can't be themselves', but because they don't know who they are. This questioning is ultimately positive because it effectively forces them to define their identity.
The only real way to find insight into oneself is through socialization of others. You can't know if you're insensitive or annoying or arrogant without interacting with other people. Iz like quote from olde country: 'A man can sit on a stump thinking for eternity and never know his own ass'.
And then once you know yourself, you can improve your flaws. This is a lot better than people who excuse their behavior by saying that they're 'just being theirselves'.
Basically it boils down to: You have to learn who you are before you can be yourself.
BEDWETTING (SLEEP ENURESIS). Updated February 20, 1998. What is Sleep Enuresis? It is the inability to maintain urinary control during sleep. ...
There are some non-doctor things you can try -
But basically, go see a doctor - have a regular doc make sure that there's nothing major wrong with your blood sugar or breathing or whatever, but then go see a specialist. Psychiatrists these days usually aren't the Freudian talk-therapy types, they're chemists who might talk with you for 15 minutes and then give you one or more of a wide range of chemicals that mess with the neurotransmitters in your brain, usually serotonin and adrenaline. If you're drinking heavily or using pot to medicate your self to sleep, you've probably got a chemical imbalance of the type they know how to mess with. Manic-depressive / bipolar and hypomanic problems seem to push people toward those forms of self-medication, so even if you don't have enough of a problem to be emotionally disturbed, it can still be messing up your sleep.
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Yes, a whole country speaking the NEEP language, measured in a system based on the metra, cashing in on pressed latinum, and in the Endorian time zone would really fix all the problems. If only I could take over the world and get this passed. LE-sigh....
Party at O'zorgnax's Pub! Buy me a Slurmtini aye?
John invited his mother over for dinner. During the meal, his mother couldn't help noticing how beautiful John's roommate was. She had long been suspicious of a relationship between John and his roommate and this only made her more curious.
Over the course of the evening, while watching the two interact, she started to wonder if there was more between John and the roommate than met the eye. Reading his mum's thoughts, John volunteered, "I know what you must be thinking, but I assure you, Julie and I are just roommates."
About a week later, Julie came to John and said, "Ever since your mother came to dinner, I've been unable to find the beautiful silver gravy ladle. You don't suppose she took it, do you?" John said, "Well, I doubt it, but I'll write her a letter just to be sure."
So he sat down and wrote: "Dear Mother, I'm not saying you 'did' take a gravy ladle from my house, and I'm not saying you 'did not' take a gravy ladle. But the fact remains that one has been missing ever since you were here for dinner."
Several days later, John received a letter from his mother which read: "Dear Son, I'm not saying that you 'do' sleep with Julie, and I'm not saying that you 'do not' sleep with Julie. But the fact remains that if she was sleeping in her own bed, she would have found the gravy ladle by now.