Heh, I think you're missing something. A lot of the money spent on tech toys goes overseas, to fund the factory workers there. No, they aren't going to get rich, and they might not even be above poverty levels (for the region), but it's going there. There instead of here, anyways..
But perl *is* available on the environment, yet the halfwits who set policy in our server sections prevent us from having access to tools like less (yes, we have to use more, tail and head forall of our gigabyte-log-scanning needs because the version of vi on these environments won't read long lines or too-long files); vim (sigh) or (perhaps less controversally) lsof.
And the reason?
These are disallowed for 'security reasons'.
This is the second place I've worked at where my team has been limited like this. When are Sun going to get a clue and learn to install the basic tools geeks need to be happy?
less is a standard part of solaris, please don't blame boneheaded decisions made by your companies staff on Sun.
If you want them installed - try and demonstrate the extra productivity these tools would give you.
Bogie said - before he was savagely cropped to support nukey56's argument,
No they don't. Any Mechanic I've even seen will look at a car for Free and try to tell you what's wrong. If its something which requires hours of diagnosing then yes they will usually charge a fee but its by no means automatic. I've been taking cars to dealers and private mechanics for estimates and second estimateas for years and I've only been charged a few times.
Nukie56 replied,
There's a self-defeating statment if I've ever seen one. Regardless, a quick search reveals that many mechanic services do indeed bill for diagnostics. Those who don't either pay their technicians less or charge you a higher hourly rate.
Obviously the fact that you can find some mechanics who charge for an initial inspection, proves that their can't be any who don't. Oh no - maybe it doesn't.
Isn't this what you'd expect from a disruptive technology?
Lots of old ways of creating value are destroyed to be replaced by new ones. Kind of the way that the railways destroyed the canals in the industrial revolution. Only in those days canal companies didn't have patents on "ways of transporting goods using metal items", like we do now.
But then again maybe it's because after using OS X on a G5 I'll never take Motorola seriously (for the desktop) again. That's not saying Motorola is a bad company or their chips are bad! I develop almost exclusively on them at work, but then again I am an embedded developer.
I think more.com's died because they overdesigned their "zero-downtime incase California sinks in an earthquake, so let's have our database mirror'd around the world"; rather than think through the (modest) implications of a couple hours downtime.
This hits the nail on the head - I saw the exact same thing companies which had no customers but which had spend $5m on DR sites.
I have yet to hear of a redundant raid controller either.
Well you obviously don't know anything about proper RAID then do you? All enterprise storage costing 25k+ at least has this option.
The normal configuration is an array, which has 2 controllers in it. You create LUN's, and assign them to the primary + secondary controller. The primary + secondary controllers have a heart beat, which ensures one takes over the others configuration if it fails. You dual attach your host to each controller. Set up IO multi-pathing software (vxdmp / mpxio - on solaris), you send I/O's down both paths, the active controller recieves the I/O's. If the active controller fails the secondary one takes over, depending on the quality of the hardware you will get a sub 5 second pause - then i/o's will continue, your apps shouldn't even notice. On some (more expensive) hardware both controllers simultaniously handle I/O's for the LUN's - with these you get zero outage if the controller fails.
The cheapest dual redundant RAID controllers I've seen are these for about 10k all up, these are rebadge d infotrend devices, so something similar should be available where ever you are. FYI their GUI appears VERY similar to Sun's 3510FC, so much so that I think it is the same chassis - but with different disks (SATA vs SCSI).
If you want REAL enterprise storage - eg HDS, you get RAID5 or 1 LUN's presented by the system - which actually consist of 4 disks - each disk on a separate RAID controller. These systems come with a data integrity guarentee of worth a significant amount of.
In my case, I was the local It that they decided that I could write apps, they never specified the language nor bought the tools... and yes I deleted all my self bought tools when I left... I dont want to violate any copyrights...
Anyway for us to find out, or verify it? It would be funny, but only if true.
I worked at Sun, I looked in the explorer database about 9 months ago - the hotmail databases run on a whole load of 8 way E4500's (dozens of them) + T3's.
Right now I won't use Java because I write GUI intensive applications that are slow and quirky in Java. When Java is Open Source, I will still be able to write proprietary applications in Java, just like I can write proprietary applications using GCC.
Yeah the GUI - one of open source's strengths, open sourcing Java will fix that straight off.
We use it at my shop, and all it does is provide a GUI to the clueless 'policy enforcers', i.e. the InfoSec guys. They scan you, Qualys says 'X is bad', and its a Federal Case. Of course, if you mention how X is not really true, because you're running in a chroot jail, for instance, it makes no difference. The Computer has spoken, and produces a Shiny HTML Report to prove that you have a Vulnerability. Qualys is just a pretty front and and control GUI for Nessus. Much better to roll your own, because in the process, you'll have people actually LEARN security.
What said reflects badly on the people using the product - not the product.
While firing all those attachment openers would be viscerally satisfying, what then? They go on welfare and the gulf between my gross pay and my net pay, which is already immense, grows to Grand Canyon-like proportions, and you find me washing windshields at the exit of our company parking garage so that I can afford gas money to get to work and back. Looked at that way, I guess I'll have to keep the morons on.
So everyone should employ morons because its good for the economy?
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"Looks like there are more problems with the new e-voting machines. How will they ever be ready in time for the November elections?"
Move along please, nothing to see here.
Alex
Heh, I think you're missing something. A lot of the money spent on tech toys goes overseas, to fund the factory workers there. No, they aren't going to get rich, and they might not even be above poverty levels (for the region), but it's going there. There instead of here, anyways..
Heh - "buy an mp3 player - feed an orphan"
Nice logic,
Alex
>> we nearly lost all of our data since our last backup (it was only a few days, but an important few)
Daily backups !
Why not hourly backups ? Hourly incrimentals + daily full backups ?
Alex
IBM motivated by profit!
I'm shocked,
Alex
But perl *is* available on the environment, yet the halfwits who set policy in our server sections prevent us from having access to tools like less (yes, we have to use more, tail and head forall of our gigabyte-log-scanning needs because the version of vi on these environments won't read long lines or too-long files); vim (sigh) or (perhaps less controversally) lsof.
And the reason?
These are disallowed for 'security reasons'.
This is the second place I've worked at where my team has been limited like this. When are Sun going to get a clue and learn to install the basic tools geeks need to be happy?
less is a standard part of solaris, please don't blame boneheaded decisions made by your companies staff on Sun.
If you want them installed - try and demonstrate the extra productivity these tools would give you.
Alex
Bogie said - before he was savagely cropped to support nukey56's argument,
No they don't. Any Mechanic I've even seen will look at a car for Free and try to tell you what's wrong. If its something which requires hours of diagnosing then yes they will usually charge a fee but its by no means automatic. I've been taking cars to dealers and private mechanics for estimates and second estimateas for years and I've only been charged a few times.
Nukie56 replied,
There's a self-defeating statment if I've ever seen one. Regardless, a quick search reveals that many mechanic services do indeed bill for diagnostics. Those who don't either pay their technicians less or charge you a higher hourly rate.
Obviously the fact that you can find some mechanics who charge for an initial inspection, proves that their can't be any who don't. Oh no - maybe it doesn't.
Idiot,
Alex
Isn't this what you'd expect from a disruptive technology?
Lots of old ways of creating value are destroyed to be replaced by new ones. Kind of the way that the railways destroyed the canals in the industrial revolution. Only in those days canal companies didn't have patents on "ways of transporting goods using metal items", like we do now.
Isn't progress great ?
Alex
But then again maybe it's because after using OS X on a G5 I'll never take Motorola seriously (for the desktop) again. That's not saying Motorola is a bad company or their chips are bad! I develop almost exclusively on them at work, but then again I am an embedded developer.
The G5 is from IBM
Alex
Also, the patent office needs to be held accountable as well. Maybe they could fire the examiner that issued the patent.
Because smart people who make mistakes never learn anything right?
Maybe a 3 strikes and they are out rule though...
Alex
I think more .com's died because they overdesigned their "zero-downtime incase California sinks in an earthquake, so let's have our database mirror'd around the world"; rather than think through the (modest) implications of a couple hours downtime.
This hits the nail on the head - I saw the exact same thing companies which had no customers but which had spend $5m on DR sites.
Alex
sharing an NFS-mounted queue.
I feel dirty just hearing about it,
Alex
I have yet to hear of a redundant raid controller either.
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Well you obviously don't know anything about proper RAID then do you? All enterprise storage costing 25k+ at least has this option.
The normal configuration is an array, which has 2 controllers in it. You create LUN's, and assign them to the primary + secondary controller. The primary + secondary controllers have a heart beat, which ensures one takes over the others configuration if it fails. You dual attach your host to each controller. Set up IO multi-pathing software (vxdmp / mpxio - on solaris), you send I/O's down both paths, the active controller recieves the I/O's. If the active controller fails the secondary one takes over, depending on the quality of the hardware you will get a sub 5 second pause - then i/o's will continue, your apps shouldn't even notice. On some (more expensive) hardware both controllers simultaniously handle I/O's for the LUN's - with these you get zero outage if the controller fails.
The cheapest dual redundant RAID controllers I've seen are these for about 10k all up, these are rebadge d infotrend devices, so something similar should be available where ever you are. FYI their GUI appears VERY similar to Sun's 3510FC, so much so that I think it is the same chassis - but with different disks (SATA vs SCSI).
If you want REAL enterprise storage - eg HDS, you get RAID5 or 1 LUN's presented by the system - which actually consist of 4 disks - each disk on a separate RAID controller. These systems come with a data integrity guarentee of worth a significant amount of
Alex
My pet hypothesis is that whatever is considered sexy is "what rich people look like."
Just not Marlon Brando or Elvis right ?
Alex
In my case, I was the local It that they decided that I could write apps, they never specified the language nor bought the tools... and yes I deleted all my self bought tools when I left... I dont want to violate any copyrights...
No wonder they replaced you,
Alex
Alex
The shuttle will be retired in 2010 and with no credible replacement on the horizon...why doesn't NASA give the Russians a chance?
Anyway for us to find out, or verify it? It would be funny, but only if true.
I worked at Sun, I looked in the explorer database about 9 months ago - the hotmail databases run on a whole load of 8 way E4500's (dozens of them) + T3's.
Alex
Um... I assume that you are referring to the myth that Macs are more expensive.
Anybody who wants to quote the "Macs are more expensive" line of FUD has never taken a look at the price of Sun or especially SGI hardware.
Swapping one type of FUD for another - the Sun opteron/xeon boxes are the same price as systems from Dell.
Alex
Virginia or Maryland - one of the two,
Alex
900 - mm02 (Cellnet)
O2 + voda also have 1800 networks,
Alex
Right now I won't use Java because I write GUI intensive applications that are slow and quirky in Java. When Java is Open Source, I will still be able to write proprietary applications in Java, just like I can write proprietary applications using GCC.
Yeah the GUI - one of open source's strengths, open sourcing Java will fix that straight off.
Alex
Hardly standard bearers for secure software....
Alex
We use it at my shop, and all it does is provide a GUI to the clueless 'policy enforcers', i.e. the InfoSec guys. They scan you, Qualys says 'X is bad', and its a Federal Case. Of course, if you mention how X is not really true, because you're running in a chroot jail, for instance, it makes no difference. The Computer has spoken, and produces a Shiny HTML Report to prove that you have a Vulnerability. Qualys is just a pretty front and and control GUI for Nessus.
Much better to roll your own, because in the process, you'll have people actually LEARN security.
What said reflects badly on the people using the product - not the product.
Alex
While firing all those attachment openers would be viscerally satisfying, what then? They go on welfare and the gulf between my gross pay and my net pay, which is already immense, grows to Grand Canyon-like proportions, and you find me washing windshields at the exit of our company parking garage so that I can afford gas money to get to work and back. Looked at that way, I guess I'll have to keep the morons on.
So everyone should employ morons because its good for the economy?
Nice logic,
Alex