Having 500k to 5m people that can access all information stored in your servers you feel safe? You may trust one or 2 people you know, but that amount of apples should have more than a few bad apples, and knowing how the environment rots the apple, that number could be pretty high. And that access could be used to do ip theft (REAL ip theft, as in copyrighting, patenting, trademarking or whatever thing you discussed in private and that you wont be able to use anymore), blackmailing (from up top to lower bottom level, hey, why not make your bosses fire you and put my nephew with your salary there?), take something out of context to put someone not deserving in jail, or using your company as bridge to reach a goal elsewhere (damaging its image, doing damage elsewhere, whatever).
Besides that, if i asked to keep something safe, and I can't (because no matter how hard i push security, most software and hardware used is surely backdoored), im not doing well my job.
This snooping is worldwide, including foreing countries. And they have no regards on invading foreing countries over stupid excuses, managing their population thru social networks to promote riots and revolutions to push their own rulers, sabotaging in general, even use that information to blackmail your government into pushing laws that puts your entire country under their boot. Being in US is pretty bad (heck, you can be shoot for betting), but your risks outside are not isolated events, but massive ones.
But you may not deserve what your country could get from US. In the other hand, americans think that they voted they government, and by that poll, even approves what they are doing, I suppose that if any population deserves what is about to come, is US people. The rest of the world are just collateral damage.
Today is different. Is not just surveillace on a small portion of the people of US. We are talking about basically everyone in US, plus most of the rest of the world population, intruding in places/people that have diplomatic immunity, and hacking/sabotaging foreing companies and institutions, while claiming that hacking are acts of war. But i suppose that i could compare the Everest with a pebble, saying that is just a bit bigger.
Is not about countries, is about governments, specially the ones that claim that are elected by the people. The key there is trust.
I administer servers (in particular, mail and proxy ones, to talk about the easiest ones where you can harm privacy) from almost 20 years. In all that time i had access to all the mails of all the people on those servers. When i was hired for that job, i've been trusted with that access, and was up to me to deserve or not that trust, regardless if anyone ever discover that i peeked or not.
Now, will you put your future and the one of your entire family/friends/country in the hands of someone that you can't trust, specially because you already know that is deceiving you? Is not about if is ok or not, we are past that, is about if you can do something about it or not. The situation is just not stable in the long term.
There is also an small addendum regarding trust. We are not talking about a single person here. Snowden could be a case of survivorship bias, you see him, the one that went public and disclosed all of this, knowing that was recently hired and had all that access already. What about the ones that you don't see, that didn't went public, didn't disclosed any of this, and have similar access? We are talking about 500 thousands to 5 millons individuals. You are trusting all your information and all potential misuse of it to all of them too.
I think that the widespread perception of the danger is not enough... yet. But as jailing/killing the people that could inform you about the real situation is the new normal, you probably won't be aware of why you should had done it before until it hits you. Or won't have the chance, as the next salvo probably will be outlawing consumer encryption (it already started). Some of the things that you can do could be complex or cumbersome to do, but you can start progressively with this tools, taking the path of least resistance, it will protect you not just from the NSA, but from other evil people and organizations too.
Revolutions don't happen if the government know every step of anything remotely looking as leader for them, they even had plans for killing the Occupy movement key figures (and other approachs). Reelected Bush, reelected Obama, even seeing in which direction were going both, the american people jailed themselves and throwed away the key. And unfortunately were the only ones that could had done something.
I think that Bolivia's presidential plane falls into the definition of diplomatic immunity. And even with that, they had no problem in stopping it and even trying to have a search on it. They are just past of the point of caring about it, in fact threating both Russia and China about his delivery, immediately after he said that US was very aggresively spying on all of them (as in i.e. hacking their own phone networks) shows that the little they care about treaties and the consequences of their acts, just order and wait till they are done.
Forget Snowden, is a symtom of a pretty big and urgent problem. Next 5 years (no matter what happens with him) will be bad for a good portion of the world.
Pushing it as "the new normal" dont make it justifiable, is like saying that is right that your operating system must have a blue screen every hour or widespread virus and you must keep buying it because sometimes other operating systems could have them rarely. Doing it, while putting civilians for decades or even centuries is just yelling that you don't care about what is fair or not, you just do what you want, you are the biggest bully in the neightbourhood after all.
So keep defending the big bully, with a bit of luck you won't be noticed by him for a bit more time that way. Just don't complain when comes your turn, and take into consideration that whatever comes, is your fault too.
Is not like you won't end in jail for a sarcastic comment, or get expelled over a joke, it will work in the other way, seeing sarcams where they aren't and getting you anyway. And getting this mess in your private mail, where you usually joke and don't care a lot about potential readings of what you say, because, well, you don't have anything to hide, will make life interesting in the next years.
Not just biodiesel, maybe could be turned into human or livestock food, or use it as fertilizer in exhausted soils, just pick a desert and dump them there.
They do only with what comes in and out of France. In the other hand, US hacks foreign companies to get information on everyone, no matter where. And probably in France https worth something, but for US services the information must be given to the government in a silver plate by the companies (that is what PRISM is all about, after all) . And, of course, is US who defines hacking as act of war.
So this is a mostly unilateral war, and you could see the monitoring that could do some other countries mostly as self-defense.
The point is that people from all the world should care about what the US is doing (because affects everyone) while French (and a small fraction of other countries) people should care also about what they government do. Also, I don't see France putting in jail or doing a massive international manhunt for the people working for Le Monde, violating every international treaty and convention doing so, as US is doing (and forcing their allies to do) with Assange and Snowden, we are just past the point of absolute corruption, and seeing the first hints of what is coming in the next years.
The only way to win that game is not to play. If you think you have little privacy, those students (and all the lower ranks involved) will have none at all, after what happened with Snowden. And what is worse, they are in the perfect place to be escape goats or just false positives if anything happens.
The only way to win is to be in the higher ranks, where you are just untouchable.
Is a new and improved version. Spying your population, or individual diplomats/politicians? That is so last century. Now the target of the spying is the entire world population. Is about scale, compare to tip you in the shoulder with hitting you with a hammer in the head. Over certain scale, you are doing something different.
That we use radio to send signals that shows our intelligence (or lack of it) don't mean that it only be produced artificially. Is the result of a natural process, maybe a supernova or pulsar. And whatever it was, we survived it, if were a i.e. close supernova the light and the rest of radiation should had come pretty close to the radio burst, 2 years ago.
I suppose that they could had intercepted all the communication i sent to france based search engines, social networks and mail servers, if ever happened that. But as im not in france, not even in europe, odds that it happened are pretty low. In the other hand, in US most if not all central internet services are located there, my communication with other regions of the world usually goes thru there, and even if not, they went actively going against networks and services located other countries. Could be debatable if the government of a country could watch or not on their own people (specially if we talk about real democracies, not self proclaimed ones that just pick between Kang and Kodos every election), but there is no debate about the right of snooping on every people on the planet.
You mean that somewhat some people outside your organization get inside the data center where you have your servers, and starts to do live forensics to extract data from them that can't be get from the network, instead of, i.e. just unplugging and taking the servers, or backups, or just valuable hardware that should be small and be around. That kind of access and motivation seems to go mainly to the data center personnel (following orders from govt agencies or not), or NSA/CIA/etc related people.
Then yes, probably the appropiate measure will be to put those servers in the NSA datacenters, that won't stop or slow down them getting the info, but at least reduce the mess they could accidentally cause.
I was meaning that the people that control the egypt army is the same that control the president and the armed forces of USA. But could be another foreign control group.
Other countries just ignore it (and/or their amendments). Don't sound as bad as suspending it, but in practice is more or less the same. And don't see a lot of people upholding it.
They don't need to, the armed forces and the president are controlled by the same people. And maybe is the same people that controls the Egypt army too.
By now US is at war against the world, by their own definition, the ones that act as allies in things like this are targets too, even if they keep covering they ears and eyes to not see the evidence. Even if international law and rights used to have some meaning, is not anymore.
Ok, maybe they have to act like this even if they don't want to. The biggest benefit of massive, worldwide snooping on everything digital is not stopping terrorist, is just have a really big database for blackmailing, to force anyone to do what they want, from the top governors to the last shoeshiner.
Don't matter. Seems that all of them bend over gracefully and at once to the one that they know spy on all of them. Maybe the place that matter is Stockolm, they all have the syndrome.
After trying all night to fix a messy legacy unreadable code, seeing in my console either "Hello, Dave", "Follow the white rabbit", "I know how to reduce entropy", or even "I THINK, THEREFORE I AM"... and not knowing how i did it.
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A lot of systems that had to be compromised by the NSA and associates before this patch could finally be released.
Having 500k to 5m people that can access all information stored in your servers you feel safe? You may trust one or 2 people you know, but that amount of apples should have more than a few bad apples, and knowing how the environment rots the apple, that number could be pretty high. And that access could be used to do ip theft (REAL ip theft, as in copyrighting, patenting, trademarking or whatever thing you discussed in private and that you wont be able to use anymore), blackmailing (from up top to lower bottom level, hey, why not make your bosses fire you and put my nephew with your salary there?), take something out of context to put someone not deserving in jail, or using your company as bridge to reach a goal elsewhere (damaging its image, doing damage elsewhere, whatever).
Besides that, if i asked to keep something safe, and I can't (because no matter how hard i push security, most software and hardware used is surely backdoored), im not doing well my job.
This snooping is worldwide, including foreing countries. And they have no regards on invading foreing countries over stupid excuses, managing their population thru social networks to promote riots and revolutions to push their own rulers, sabotaging in general, even use that information to blackmail your government into pushing laws that puts your entire country under their boot. Being in US is pretty bad (heck, you can be shoot for betting), but your risks outside are not isolated events, but massive ones.
But you may not deserve what your country could get from US. In the other hand, americans think that they voted they government, and by that poll, even approves what they are doing, I suppose that if any population deserves what is about to come, is US people. The rest of the world are just collateral damage.
Today is different. Is not just surveillace on a small portion of the people of US. We are talking about basically everyone in US, plus most of the rest of the world population, intruding in places/people that have diplomatic immunity, and hacking/sabotaging foreing companies and institutions, while claiming that hacking are acts of war. But i suppose that i could compare the Everest with a pebble, saying that is just a bit bigger.
Is not about countries, is about governments, specially the ones that claim that are elected by the people. The key there is trust.
I administer servers (in particular, mail and proxy ones, to talk about the easiest ones where you can harm privacy) from almost 20 years. In all that time i had access to all the mails of all the people on those servers. When i was hired for that job, i've been trusted with that access, and was up to me to deserve or not that trust, regardless if anyone ever discover that i peeked or not.
Now, will you put your future and the one of your entire family/friends/country in the hands of someone that you can't trust, specially because you already know that is deceiving you? Is not about if is ok or not, we are past that, is about if you can do something about it or not. The situation is just not stable in the long term.
There is also an small addendum regarding trust. We are not talking about a single person here. Snowden could be a case of survivorship bias, you see him, the one that went public and disclosed all of this, knowing that was recently hired and had all that access already. What about the ones that you don't see, that didn't went public, didn't disclosed any of this, and have similar access? We are talking about 500 thousands to 5 millons individuals. You are trusting all your information and all potential misuse of it to all of them too.
Worth the trouble? You should weight how much it costs you privacy vs what could cost you don't worry about it, but unfortunately, english is a bad language to realize how important the future is.
How it could affect you? You can check what have the FBI/NSA about you. You can see precedents of what NSA did with private information (if that the respect that soldiers in the battlefield deserve, good luck about you). You can see the starting trend of misusing information and how it could impact you in the future.
I think that the widespread perception of the danger is not enough... yet. But as jailing/killing the people that could inform you about the real situation is the new normal, you probably won't be aware of why you should had done it before until it hits you. Or won't have the chance, as the next salvo probably will be outlawing consumer encryption (it already started). Some of the things that you can do could be complex or cumbersome to do, but you can start progressively with this tools, taking the path of least resistance, it will protect you not just from the NSA, but from other evil people and organizations too.
Revolutions don't happen if the government know every step of anything remotely looking as leader for them, they even had plans for killing the Occupy movement key figures (and other approachs). Reelected Bush, reelected Obama, even seeing in which direction were going both, the american people jailed themselves and throwed away the key. And unfortunately were the only ones that could had done something.
I think that Bolivia's presidential plane falls into the definition of diplomatic immunity. And even with that, they had no problem in stopping it and even trying to have a search on it. They are just past of the point of caring about it, in fact threating both Russia and China about his delivery, immediately after he said that US was very aggresively spying on all of them (as in i.e. hacking their own phone networks) shows that the little they care about treaties and the consequences of their acts, just order and wait till they are done.
Forget Snowden, is a symtom of a pretty big and urgent problem. Next 5 years (no matter what happens with him) will be bad for a good portion of the world.
Pushing it as "the new normal" dont make it justifiable, is like saying that is right that your operating system must have a blue screen every hour or widespread virus and you must keep buying it because sometimes other operating systems could have them rarely. Doing it, while putting civilians for decades or even centuries is just yelling that you don't care about what is fair or not, you just do what you want, you are the biggest bully in the neightbourhood after all.
So keep defending the big bully, with a bit of luck you won't be noticed by him for a bit more time that way. Just don't complain when comes your turn, and take into consideration that whatever comes, is your fault too.
Is not like you won't end in jail for a sarcastic comment, or get expelled over a joke, it will work in the other way, seeing sarcams where they aren't and getting you anyway. And getting this mess in your private mail, where you usually joke and don't care a lot about potential readings of what you say, because, well, you don't have anything to hide, will make life interesting in the next years.
Not just biodiesel, maybe could be turned into human or livestock food, or use it as fertilizer in exhausted soils, just pick a desert and dump them there.
So this is a mostly unilateral war, and you could see the monitoring that could do some other countries mostly as self-defense.
The point is that people from all the world should care about what the US is doing (because affects everyone) while French (and a small fraction of other countries) people should care also about what they government do. Also, I don't see France putting in jail or doing a massive international manhunt for the people working for Le Monde, violating every international treaty and convention doing so, as US is doing (and forcing their allies to do) with Assange and Snowden, we are just past the point of absolute corruption, and seeing the first hints of what is coming in the next years.
The only way to win that game is not to play. If you think you have little privacy, those students (and all the lower ranks involved) will have none at all, after what happened with Snowden. And what is worse, they are in the perfect place to be escape goats or just false positives if anything happens.
The only way to win is to be in the higher ranks, where you are just untouchable.
Is a new and improved version. Spying your population, or individual diplomats/politicians? That is so last century. Now the target of the spying is the entire world population. Is about scale, compare to tip you in the shoulder with hitting you with a hammer in the head. Over certain scale, you are doing something different.
That we use radio to send signals that shows our intelligence (or lack of it) don't mean that it only be produced artificially. Is the result of a natural process, maybe a supernova or pulsar. And whatever it was, we survived it, if were a i.e. close supernova the light and the rest of radiation should had come pretty close to the radio burst, 2 years ago.
I suppose that they could had intercepted all the communication i sent to france based search engines, social networks and mail servers, if ever happened that. But as im not in france, not even in europe, odds that it happened are pretty low. In the other hand, in US most if not all central internet services are located there, my communication with other regions of the world usually goes thru there, and even if not, they went actively going against networks and services located other countries. Could be debatable if the government of a country could watch or not on their own people (specially if we talk about real democracies, not self proclaimed ones that just pick between Kang and Kodos every election), but there is no debate about the right of snooping on every people on the planet.
You mean that somewhat some people outside your organization get inside the data center where you have your servers, and starts to do live forensics to extract data from them that can't be get from the network, instead of, i.e. just unplugging and taking the servers, or backups, or just valuable hardware that should be small and be around. That kind of access and motivation seems to go mainly to the data center personnel (following orders from govt agencies or not), or NSA/CIA/etc related people.
Then yes, probably the appropiate measure will be to put those servers in the NSA datacenters, that won't stop or slow down them getting the info, but at least reduce the mess they could accidentally cause.
I was meaning that the people that control the egypt army is the same that control the president and the armed forces of USA. But could be another foreign control group.
At least we can have a beowulf cluster of vpn endpoints.
At least the president was elected by most of the people and not by the Lesters only. Qualifies as democracy better than others that claim to be.
Other countries just ignore it (and/or their amendments). Don't sound as bad as suspending it, but in practice is more or less the same. And don't see a lot of people upholding it.
They don't need to, the armed forces and the president are controlled by the same people. And maybe is the same people that controls the Egypt army too.
By now US is at war against the world, by their own definition, the ones that act as allies in things like this are targets too, even if they keep covering they ears and eyes to not see the evidence. Even if international law and rights used to have some meaning, is not anymore.
Ok, maybe they have to act like this even if they don't want to. The biggest benefit of massive, worldwide snooping on everything digital is not stopping terrorist, is just have a really big database for blackmailing, to force anyone to do what they want, from the top governors to the last shoeshiner.
Don't matter. Seems that all of them bend over gracefully and at once to the one that they know spy on all of them. Maybe the place that matter is Stockolm, they all have the syndrome.
After trying all night to fix a messy legacy unreadable code, seeing in my console either "Hello, Dave", "Follow the white rabbit", "I know how to reduce entropy", or even "I THINK, THEREFORE I AM"... and not knowing how i did it.