Yes and no. If you leave it alone, you're fine, but if you ever install something by hand (ie: an app that's not on a urpmi server) you're in the same world. Ditto with redhat. Install everything from the CDs or the online redhat server and you're fine, install bobsapp.rpm and you're stuck in dependancy hell again.
Debian has the same problem, same with gentoo, etc. Pretty much anything that is a package has the issue. If you're installing from source it's no problem, as generally your configure script will detect that foolib.h is present even if you don't have foolib-1.23.3-beta3-r1.rpm installed.
Windows on the other hand sometimes is no better. Install an app without foolib.dll and you'll get ugly runtime errors on startup. Generally the coders are better at this though.
On the other hand, mac os is the undisputed king here. Drag app to hard drive. It's installed. Drag app to garbage. It's removed. All dependancies within the lib, and you're golden.
My UT2k4 was a DVD containing 6 CDs, installed (not including libraries already on the system, such as directX), was about 5G. Wow.
Course, it has lots of levels, and net gameplay, options, multiple skins, etc. But still. Wow. Wish I had a windows box here to try out this here game.
They had this feature in windows 3.x, 95 and DOS, it was called "lack of multitasking", or sometimes "cooperative multitasking",and ensured that you could only run one application at a time, ensureing the highest possible performance from each individual application.
This is both the beauty and the curse. You can install from anything, a running system, a knoppix CD, anything that has basic unix tools available. Of course, the barrier to entry is a bit higher because of this flexibility:)
Having rules for who can spam (or send bulk email, whatever) but I really dont' care about that. What I want is a reliable way to accept the mail I want. Right now it's using a spam filter, because even "legitimate" mail from companies that have opt out mechanisims are mail that I don't personally want to see. So they get filtered out with all the rest, and I'm left with (mostly) the mail that I want to get from friends, family, mailing lists, and whatnot.
Even having a legit.email domain isn't going to solve this, because people don't trust bulk email. No one should click on the unsub links that you get in mail simply because you never know if it's going to add you into a 'good emails' list or actually do what it says it's doing.
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You had *toggles*!? Luxury! I had to program anything in with a soldering iron directly into the chips!
Well, as I understand if it your DSL provider doesn't let you set up reverse DNS you'll get blah.blah.dsl.com instead of xxx.net regardless of your server set up, because reverse DNS has to be delegated from them to your servers. Not all DSL providers do that, and not everyone has DSL providers in their area that'll do that.
Don't forget that OS/X still needs to be updated when installed fresh. It's just not anywhere near as painful as windows' update-reboot-update-reboot dance, but it's not something you should ignore. Windows also installs in 20-30 minutes, with only a few questions in the middle if you want to get technical.
However, os/x is a lot less painful I definately agree. Oh, and the default browser does popup blocking already:)
Lets see.... - windows - office - wordperfect - mozilla - seti@home - Duke Nukem Forever - visual studio - nero - quickbooks - palm desktop software - many many many more
(some of the above I don't know for sure, but they seem old enough to be around for that long).
Now the big question is not if they are still in development, but if you can get the latest version free of charge off the net (legally that is:)
Seriously though, I think any large software maker will have programs that are still in active development, or at a version 2.0 or 3 or 5 as the years go on. That's one of the points of being a big software maker, you're stable and don't abandon your products, and continue to (try to) make them better.
I love linux and OSS, but your argument is flawed IMHO.
As I understand it, they wanted to use opptunistic encryption to do the "common man" encryption of the 5% of the internet. Has this actually become standard yet? If so, it's only been within the last couple of years I think (since I've stopped dealing with VPN).
Also, aren't there other problems inherant with OE? IE: the need to have secure DNS before this can really happen, or a PKI infrastructure or public key escrow or something? I'd love to just install freeswan on my firewall and have encrypted connections happen, but a) would it really help things and b) would it be like being the first one on the block to have a videophone?
Use imap if possible, if it's not, bitch at your ISP to either make it available or filter the spam at their end. If you're lucky enough to have your own server setting up imap and procmail and a spam filter is pretty easy.
One thing that was a blocker for me to move to 2.6 was my mouse would go a lot faster while in X. I finally found that it was the new input system. Under 2.4 the default XF86Config file would have two mouse input settings, one for ps/2 and one for USB. Under 2.6 both of these were picked up regardless of the mouse being ps/2 or usb so all mouse events, clicks, etc were picked up twice. Removing one of the mouse entries made everything work as normal.
Probably everyone but me knew this, but thought I'd throw it out in case anyone else is in the same boat.
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Yes and no. If you leave it alone, you're fine, but if you ever install something by hand (ie: an app that's not on a urpmi server) you're in the same world. Ditto with redhat. Install everything from the CDs or the online redhat server and you're fine, install bobsapp.rpm and you're stuck in dependancy hell again.
Debian has the same problem, same with gentoo, etc. Pretty much anything that is a package has the issue. If you're installing from source it's no problem, as generally your configure script will detect that foolib.h is present even if you don't have foolib-1.23.3-beta3-r1.rpm installed.
Windows on the other hand sometimes is no better. Install an app without foolib.dll and you'll get ugly runtime errors on startup. Generally the coders are better at this though.
On the other hand, mac os is the undisputed king here. Drag app to hard drive. It's installed. Drag app to garbage. It's removed. All dependancies within the lib, and you're golden.
My UT2k4 was a DVD containing 6 CDs, installed (not including libraries already on the system, such as directX), was about 5G. Wow.
Course, it has lots of levels, and net gameplay, options, multiple skins, etc. But still. Wow. Wish I had a windows box here to try out this here game.
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This is slashdot afterall right? You're preaching to the choir about MSs evils.
Hmm..... I'm pretty sure that this is somehow a gross invasion of our privacy.
They had this feature in windows 3.x, 95 and DOS, it was called "lack of multitasking", or sometimes "cooperative multitasking",and ensured that you could only run one application at a time, ensureing the highest possible performance from each individual application.
The banner ad on the bottom left that says "halflife 2, doom3, halo 2 - now shipping"
Those bastards, that just isn't funny!
Now saying that Duke Nuke'm Forever is shipping, that'd be funny!
Yes, but wouldn't it be nice if the entire OS wasn't brought down by a buggy camera driver? That's just silly.
Of course, the more pages the more ad impressions.
Speaking of which, anyone else find it interesting that every page had a big ass windowsxp ad on it?
This is both the beauty and the curse. You can install from anything, a running system, a knoppix CD, anything that has basic unix tools available. Of course, the barrier to entry is a bit higher because of this flexibility :)
.. that the /. ad showing (no mozilla here today :( ) is for google.
Having rules for who can spam (or send bulk email, whatever) but I really dont' care about that. What I want is a reliable way to accept the mail I want. Right now it's using a spam filter, because even "legitimate" mail from companies that have opt out mechanisims are mail that I don't personally want to see. So they get filtered out with all the rest, and I'm left with (mostly) the mail that I want to get from friends, family, mailing lists, and whatnot.
.email domain isn't going to solve this, because people don't trust bulk email. No one should click on the unsub links that you get in mail simply because you never know if it's going to add you into a 'good emails' list or actually do what it says it's doing.
Even having a legit
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You had *toggles*!? Luxury! I had to program anything in with a soldering iron directly into the chips!
Well, as I understand if it your DSL provider doesn't let you set up reverse DNS you'll get blah.blah.dsl.com instead of xxx.net regardless of your server set up, because reverse DNS has to be delegated from them to your servers. Not all DSL providers do that, and not everyone has DSL providers in their area that'll do that.
10 DVDs? 850G? Lightweight!
I for one welcome our new baby rat overlords.
You could, but why risk it?
Don't forget that OS/X still needs to be updated when installed fresh. It's just not anywhere near as painful as windows' update-reboot-update-reboot dance, but it's not something you should ignore. Windows also installs in 20-30 minutes, with only a few questions in the middle if you want to get technical.
:)
However, os/x is a lot less painful I definately agree. Oh, and the default browser does popup blocking already
Jeremy Zawody, a Yahoo employee, but speaking only for himself in his personal blog had this to say in defense of paid inclusion.
My bad. Go back to netscape then, from 1.0 in what, 91? 93? to when it hit open source 1999? something like that.
Lets see....
:)
- windows
- office
- wordperfect
- mozilla
- seti@home
- Duke Nukem Forever
- visual studio
- nero
- quickbooks
- palm desktop software
- many many many more
(some of the above I don't know for sure, but they seem old enough to be around for that long).
Now the big question is not if they are still in development, but if you can get the latest version free of charge off the net (legally that is
Seriously though, I think any large software maker will have programs that are still in active development, or at a version 2.0 or 3 or 5 as the years go on. That's one of the points of being a big software maker, you're stable and don't abandon your products, and continue to (try to) make them better.
I love linux and OSS, but your argument is flawed IMHO.
As I understand it, they wanted to use opptunistic encryption to do the "common man" encryption of the 5% of the internet. Has this actually become standard yet? If so, it's only been within the last couple of years I think (since I've stopped dealing with VPN).
Also, aren't there other problems inherant with OE? IE: the need to have secure DNS before this can really happen, or a PKI infrastructure or public key escrow or something? I'd love to just install freeswan on my firewall and have encrypted connections happen, but a) would it really help things and b) would it be like being the first one on the block to have a videophone?
Use imap if possible, if it's not, bitch at your ISP to either make it available or filter the spam at their end. If you're lucky enough to have your own server setting up imap and procmail and a spam filter is pretty easy.
Try passing psmouse_noext=1 to your kernel via grub or lilo. This restores the previous behaviour.
My problem was that the double input made X unusable.
One thing that was a blocker for me to move to 2.6 was my mouse would go a lot faster while in X. I finally found that it was the new input system. Under 2.4 the default XF86Config file would have two mouse input settings, one for ps/2 and one for USB. Under 2.6 both of these were picked up regardless of the mouse being ps/2 or usb so all mouse events, clicks, etc were picked up twice. Removing one of the mouse entries made everything work as normal.
Probably everyone but me knew this, but thought I'd throw it out in case anyone else is in the same boat.
Well, the number of spam relays and viruses that rely on buffer overflows in IE and OE should be enough to give them a good start anyway....