If the building designer has to pay for utilities, such as air conditioning, each time you enter their building without reading their affiliated advertisement brochures, are you engaged in theft?
Compare a straightforward Java class, with try/catch (a silly example, but obviously just to provide some syntax):
public class DoStuff {
protected double someNumber;
public setSomeNumber( double number ) {
try {
someNumber = number;
} catch (Exception e) {// See e.getMessage() for error
}
} }... with some PHP for the same code, which would look like this:
public class DoStuff {
private someNumber;
public setSomeNumber($number) {
try {
$this->someNumber = $number;
} catch (Exception $e) {// See $e->getMessage() for error
}
} } For anyone looking for the Ruby comparison with the same contrived try/catch....
class DoStuff
def setSomeNumber(number)
begin
@number = number
rescue => e
# See e.message for error
end
end end
You are correct with respect to the privacy of the property. It is the same in the United States. The presumption of multiple owners/users of property thereby granting public status is flawed. The stores will either own a designated section that directly borders another or they will all share in the costs of that combined property. In either case it is still under private ownership.
Ok, with this situation, which I have been in, I have one question that has never been answered. Where does one charge the time spent filling out the time sheets? I have always hated that uncertainty.
> Judge Cooper also noted the language of the discovery rule governing electronically stored information, which states that the rule is "expansive" and includes "any type of information that is stored electronically."
Seeing as level 1 cache, level 2 cache, and registers also fit this rule, do we also need to start saving those values as well?
I noticed severe cpu usage and when I investigated I found MSCORSVW.EXE was the culprit. After determining what it was I just said a few appropriate words, directed at Microsoft, altered the process priority, and went on. Eventually the stupid thing finished. The following day I found out that an acquaintance of mine, whose computer I help maintain, has upwards of ten messages whining about not enough virtual memory on the machine. After allowing the expansion of the virtual memory each time, it eventually went away. So it definitely wasn't a silent install. Though, I have to admit, the forced reboot afterwards annoyed me more. So much for fscking uptime for Windows. Though nothing catastrophic, it is yet another aggravation added to the MS pile.
Yes it would appear. I would be interested in all known company sponsored development despite the percentage. I think that would be very interesting and quite telling.
Again it goes back to the post I was originally answering. The proposal was whether or not unpaid volunteers represent a "large" portion of code in Linux, either in terms of lines in the kernel or features. Considering the size of the kernel I feel that 7.7 to 37.7% percent is large. I also feel that Red Hat's, as well as several other companies on that list are also significant.
It is clear that you do not feel that anyone there is significant and it also appears that you only apply significance to values that contribute 40% or greater than the whole. While I think this is a rather skewed perception in the face of reality and other situations, you are entitled to your opinion.
However, the original post appeared to infer that the donations by IBM, Novel and Red Hat were the ones primarily responsible for the latest kernel development and that their contributions were large. Of these three companies cited, only one was larger than the confirmed volunteer group, yet the original poster was doubtful of the volunteers contributions. That is why the comparison to Red Hat was apropos to the discussion as it was already identified as an important factor in the original post.
You have challenged me as to whether I read the article, which I actually did twice. Then you debated whether or not the volunteers were significant compared to the whole, which was not the thrust of the original post. Finally you finished the transformation of the original discussion from large contributions, to significant contributions, to the "most" significant contributions by your last question to me. It is no longer clear as to what is the consistent subject of your posts. If you enjoy boosting your relative image by attacking those around you then I shall label you appropriately as a troll and go about my day. However, if you wish to debate the concept of significance with respect to statistical values, that is fine. However I feel it is in poor taste to hijack another thread to do so. Instead, propose the question to "Ask Slashdot" and I am sure we will be able to enjoy a large number of perspectives as well as learn where you and I fall in with respect to the general collective.
Yes I did read the article. Which is why I thought SydShamino would find it of interest. With respect to your perspective, of the confirmed contributors, the only group that exceeds the non paid contributed (volunteers) is Red Hat. That shows, that with the confirmed group, the volunteers are very significant. While I also agree that you cannot blindly lump the "unknowns" into the "none" group, I suspect that of the "unknowns" the largest percentage would go to the volunteers. This would, very likely, place the volunteer group above Red Hat, thus making them the largest contributing group instead of the second largest. Looking at the spread, 7.7% to a maximum of 35.7% is a significant portion. Finally, take a close look at your own post:...but it still shows that a significant portion of the code we run is written by developers who are donating their time. I believe that says it all.
? I was under the impression that Linux got where it is today because companies like IBM, Novell, and Red Hat paid their employees to work on open source code, organizations like OSDN paid people like Linus Torvalds to manage and organize the material, funders like the Linux Fund and (recently) Google's Summer of Code provided grants for smaller developers, and, finally, some people contributed volunteer work.
I certainly wouldn't want to criticize the work done by unpaid volunteers, but I would have to doubt that they now represent a "large" portion of the code in Linux, either in terms of lines in the kernal or features.
In that case, I think you may be surprised by this.
I agree about hireing the best candidate for the job. What intrigues me is the idea that apparently many people do think that those with the visa will be cheap. If you have an H-1B visa please take time to answer the following question. Though very qualified, do you find yourself receiving offers in the US that are way below what you feel or know an American would receive?
ethically the government has no right to say what I can do with my own money
You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately for you: A) The government doesn't have to accept your money as legal tender. Expecially if they don't recognize you as a viable foreign government. B) The money you are currently using daily is the property of the government. C) The government can regulate its own property.
...and that wraps up your weekend forcast. Back to you Tom.
Thank you Mary Ann. Tonights top story, the Sony Runaway Trial. Shortly after noon in San Diego the lawyers representing Fathers Against Runaway Teens opened the court proceedings with hefty accusations against Sony. They charge that Sony has been negligent in its review of computer games and their affects on teenagers. This case originated when Brandon Hill, a runaway teen sixteen years old, was found in Africa three months later. When questioned, he admitted to playing the game Africa on Sony's Play Station Three.
Mark Hill, Brandon's father said, "My son never expressed any interest in any other countries or continents before playing that game. It obviously seduced him into leaving home and traveling to Africa in order to watch lions and hippos. We all know that teenagers cannot think for them selves and only walk around life as a mimicry of what they play on computers and game consoles. Sony should have known better than to release that game."
Sony, denies any wrong doing. However, Mr. Hill believes they are only trying to duck responsibility. "My son was almost killed because of that game. Its non-violent approach convinced him he could walk right out into the savana and approach these animals without any type of weapon for protection. Not only did he try to follow a zebra herd around, he also tried to pet a baby elephant." Brandon, who is recovering from a cracked skull, damaged vertebre, four cracked ribs, and multiple contusions was unavailable for comment.
In a preemptive move, Walmart has already removed all games from its shelves. Stan Grissom, a Walmart spokesman, stated this action was only temporary. The games will return after they have been labeled with both NCA and RRP ratings. These two new ratings have been promoted by many game distributers for the last several years but, until now, have not been used. The new ratings stand for "Not for California" and "Requires Responsible Parents". Though Mr. Hill applauds this action, he feels it is too little too late. "If Sony had required that labeling at the start we wouldn't be here today. I would be suing someone else for my son's problems instead."
Stay with us. After the break we will show you the latest on how life can cause cancer and what you can do about it.
I think this shows it all. The conflict between the "it's not my fault" and the "I am so much better than you" mentality. Apparently his brain short circuits before he connects these two.
Schmuck5000:...The people at Bungie are the worst. How can they complain about people like me. They should have built a anti-cheating engine in the game to prevent it.
Aeropause:...What advice would you give game designers to help discourage cheaters?
Schmuck5000: Give Up! There is no way to stop us. Everyone wants to cheat and we will always find a way to do it.
Yes, but one doesn't always have the luxury of telling the enemy when and where to attack. They seem to have this desire of sneaking up on you when you aren't expecting it. When this might happen at any time, it makes sence to me that it might be useful. Likewise, being able to withstand that much abuse will make it more likely to withstand general mility life punishment.
I thought about that too and realized it is still possible. The monoliths can maintain the reaction. After all, for each monolith, "...it's full of stars!":P
lol, I so agree with you there. I have so many cds that when I want to play a game I haven't played for a while I have a serious hunt just trying to find the silly cd. It is very refreshing to be able to just fire up the game and not worry about that. It helps to keep the cd in pristine condition for future re-installs (if you don't just install from their site instead). Another cool thing, if you don't already know, is that they encourage you to make a backup copy of the game disk. Not only allowed but encouraged. I can't say how many hoops I have gone through to make backups of my other games just so I could keep a master unscratched copy.
Do you remember that Starforce vs Stardock fiasco? The funny thing is, that situation made me look closer at GalCiv2. I never would have checked it out if it hadn't been for that. Starforce's insistence that Stardock would loose sales actually gave them a sale. Combine that Starforce fiasco with how annoyed I was with the Doom3 protection and I was seriously sold.:)
>It took a considerably smaller investment to develop Galactic Civilizations II in comparison to big budget titles like Half Life 2. >In my personal opinion, I believe the creators of GalCiv II simply did not want to spend money on copy protection.
That may seem like a very decent opinion until more research is done. The creators of GalCivII have gone on record as stating they do not believe DRM creates sales. An older game they released had the DRM added, without their knowledge, by the publisher they were using. Because of this they decided to publish themselves to prevent that from happening again. The company runs a gaming distribution at http://totalgaming.stardock.com/ with the obvious slogan "no boxes, no waiting, no DRM, your game, your way - anytime, anywhere". Not only do they purposeful not include DRM, that game I mentioned above is available without the added DRM from the other publisher. I believe there is at least one game, from another company, that has DRM if purchased in the store. It does not have it when purchased from totalgaming. The demo accidentally had DRM still in it. Stardock removed the demo, apologised, and persuaded the makers to provided a non DRM demo. As you can see, this stance isn't because they don't wish to spend money. It is because they wish to make money. They are a really decent company all around.
From actual experience of a web site I am currently designing, I must disagree. The old site used tables for layout and no font tags. The current site was redone with the same visible content, the same visual placements, and css for layout. The size drop for each html file was at least fifty percent. This is a huge reduction for the entire site. This is not an unusual situation either. ESPN.com made the shift from table layouts to css and the result was calculated to be near a savings of 730 terabytes per year. I think you will agree that a savings of approximately three quarters of a petabyte is a significant amount. As an early table layout designer I have found that the shift to css has drastically made things easier and many more things possible. Sure, it was hard at first until I had a good grasp of how to use css, but once I could look at a page and begin to know the css properties needed it became very efficient in both time and space.
I have to admit, that was what impressed me the most. I would have written a software solution myself. Doing it all with only his mind, pencil and paper was just way too cool.
Where did you get 5,000? No, I am not debating any part of this thread. I am honestly want to know how to locate this information. I have always wanted to be able to determine the numbers myself for curiosities sake. If the answer is "just grep the kernel code for X" then I will happily do that. Thanks.
I see your point. This goes along very well with what was mentioned before in another post. A project should state its goals and in these goals it should be made clear what the users should expect. If it is released as something akin to Public Domain then users should expect nothing. If, however, the project makes the claim that it will attempt to fix issues and keep up to date with other outside changes, an aim client for example, then the maintainer should definitely fix the bugs and keep users notified. In that situation, I think you are definitely correct. It would not be shepherding the users. I also feel that if a project aims to respond to the users and the maintainer cannot do it, then the code/development cycle should be opened up more to allow others to contribute and help out. That could alleviate some of the strain on smaller projects. For larger projects, that have already done this, I don't honestly know at this point.:P
If my previous post made it appear that I thought that any help to the users was a bad thing then that was my fault in communication. I think some of this issue stems from an attempt to run open source projects in cathedral mode as opposed to bazaar mode (see the book "The Cathedran and the Bazaar" for reference). "Release early and release often" seems to be a good mantra for open source to follow in most cases.
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If the building designer has to pay for utilities, such as air conditioning, each time you enter their building without reading their affiliated advertisement brochures, are you engaged in theft?
public class DoStuff {
protected double someNumber;
public setSomeNumber( double number ) {
try {
someNumber = number;
} catch (Exception e) {
}
}
}
public class DoStuff {
private someNumber;
public setSomeNumber($number) {
try {
$this->someNumber = $number;
} catch (Exception $e) {
}
}
}
For anyone looking for the Ruby comparison with the same contrived try/catch....
class DoStuff
def setSomeNumber(number)
begin
@number = number
rescue => e
# See e.message for error
end
end
end
You are correct with respect to the privacy of the property. It is the same in the United States. The presumption of multiple owners/users of property thereby granting public status is flawed. The stores will either own a designated section that directly borders another or they will all share in the costs of that combined property. In either case it is still under private ownership.
Ok, with this situation, which I have been in, I have one question that has never been answered. Where does one charge the time spent filling out the time sheets? I have always hated that uncertainty.
> Judge Cooper also noted the language of the discovery rule governing electronically stored information, which states that the rule is "expansive" and includes "any type of information that is stored electronically."
Seeing as level 1 cache, level 2 cache, and registers also fit this rule, do we also need to start saving those values as well?
I noticed severe cpu usage and when I investigated I found MSCORSVW.EXE was the culprit. After determining what it was I just said a few appropriate words, directed at Microsoft, altered the process priority, and went on. Eventually the stupid thing finished. The following day I found out that an acquaintance of mine, whose computer I help maintain, has upwards of ten messages whining about not enough virtual memory on the machine. After allowing the expansion of the virtual memory each time, it eventually went away. So it definitely wasn't a silent install. Though, I have to admit, the forced reboot afterwards annoyed me more. So much for fscking uptime for Windows. Though nothing catastrophic, it is yet another aggravation added to the MS pile.
I have always taken the stance of: "If I have done nothing wrong why do I not deserve the right of privacy?"
Yes it would appear. I would be interested in all known company sponsored development despite the percentage. I think that would be very interesting and quite telling.
Again it goes back to the post I was originally answering. The proposal was whether or not unpaid volunteers represent a "large" portion of code in Linux, either in terms of lines in the kernel or features. Considering the size of the kernel I feel that 7.7 to 37.7% percent is large. I also feel that Red Hat's, as well as several other companies on that list are also significant.
It is clear that you do not feel that anyone there is significant and it also appears that you only apply significance to values that contribute 40% or greater than the whole. While I think this is a rather skewed perception in the face of reality and other situations, you are entitled to your opinion.
However, the original post appeared to infer that the donations by IBM, Novel and Red Hat were the ones primarily responsible for the latest kernel development and that their contributions were large. Of these three companies cited, only one was larger than the confirmed volunteer group, yet the original poster was doubtful of the volunteers contributions. That is why the comparison to Red Hat was apropos to the discussion as it was already identified as an important factor in the original post.
You have challenged me as to whether I read the article, which I actually did twice. Then you debated whether or not the volunteers were significant compared to the whole, which was not the thrust of the original post. Finally you finished the transformation of the original discussion from large contributions, to significant contributions, to the "most" significant contributions by your last question to me. It is no longer clear as to what is the consistent subject of your posts. If you enjoy boosting your relative image by attacking those around you then I shall label you appropriately as a troll and go about my day. However, if you wish to debate the concept of significance with respect to statistical values, that is fine. However I feel it is in poor taste to hijack another thread to do so. Instead, propose the question to "Ask Slashdot" and I am sure we will be able to enjoy a large number of perspectives as well as learn where you and I fall in with respect to the general collective.
Yes I did read the article. Which is why I thought SydShamino would find it of interest. With respect to your perspective, of the confirmed contributors, the only group that exceeds the non paid contributed (volunteers) is Red Hat. That shows, that with the confirmed group, the volunteers are very significant. While I also agree that you cannot blindly lump the "unknowns" into the "none" group, I suspect that of the "unknowns" the largest percentage would go to the volunteers. This would, very likely, place the volunteer group above Red Hat, thus making them the largest contributing group instead of the second largest. Looking at the spread, 7.7% to a maximum of 35.7% is a significant portion. Finally, take a close look at your own post: ...but it still shows that a significant portion of the code we run is written by developers who are donating their time. I believe that says it all.
In that case, I think you may be surprised by this.
I agree about hireing the best candidate for the job. What intrigues me is the idea that apparently many people do think that those with the visa will be cheap. If you have an H-1B visa please take time to answer the following question. Though very qualified, do you find yourself receiving offers in the US that are way below what you feel or know an American would receive?
You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately for you:
A) The government doesn't have to accept your money as legal tender. Expecially if they don't recognize you as a viable foreign government.
B) The money you are currently using daily is the property of the government.
C) The government can regulate its own property.
...and that wraps up your weekend forcast. Back to you Tom.
Thank you Mary Ann. Tonights top story, the Sony Runaway Trial. Shortly after noon in San Diego the lawyers representing Fathers Against Runaway Teens opened the court proceedings with hefty accusations against Sony. They charge that Sony has been negligent in its review of computer games and their affects on teenagers. This case originated when Brandon Hill, a runaway teen sixteen years old, was found in Africa three months later. When questioned, he admitted to playing the game Africa on Sony's Play Station Three.
Mark Hill, Brandon's father said, "My son never expressed any interest in any other countries or continents before playing that game. It obviously seduced him into leaving home and traveling to Africa in order to watch lions and hippos. We all know that teenagers cannot think for them selves and only walk around life as a mimicry of what they play on computers and game consoles. Sony should have known better than to release that game."
Sony, denies any wrong doing. However, Mr. Hill believes they are only trying to duck responsibility. "My son was almost killed because of that game. Its non-violent approach convinced him he could walk right out into the savana and approach these animals without any type of weapon for protection. Not only did he try to follow a zebra herd around, he also tried to pet a baby elephant." Brandon, who is recovering from a cracked skull, damaged vertebre, four cracked ribs, and multiple contusions was unavailable for comment.
In a preemptive move, Walmart has already removed all games from its shelves. Stan Grissom, a Walmart spokesman, stated this action was only temporary. The games will return after they have been labeled with both NCA and RRP ratings. These two new ratings have been promoted by many game distributers for the last several years but, until now, have not been used. The new ratings stand for "Not for California" and "Requires Responsible Parents". Though Mr. Hill applauds this action, he feels it is too little too late. "If Sony had required that labeling at the start we wouldn't be here today. I would be suing someone else for my son's problems instead."
Stay with us. After the break we will show you the latest on how life can cause cancer and what you can do about it.
Schmuck5000: ...The people at Bungie are the worst. How can they complain about people like me. They should have built a anti-cheating engine in the game to prevent it.
Aeropause: ...What advice would you give game designers to help discourage cheaters?
Schmuck5000: Give Up! There is no way to stop us. Everyone wants to cheat and we will always find a way to do it.
Yes, but one doesn't always have the luxury of telling the enemy when and where to attack. They seem to have this desire of sneaking up on you when you aren't expecting it. When this might happen at any time, it makes sence to me that it might be useful. Likewise, being able to withstand that much abuse will make it more likely to withstand general mility life punishment.
I thought about that too and realized it is still possible. The monoliths can maintain the reaction. After all, for each monolith, "...it's full of stars!" :P
lol, I so agree with you there. I have so many cds that when I want to play a game I haven't played for a while I have a serious hunt just trying to find the silly cd. It is very refreshing to be able to just fire up the game and not worry about that. It helps to keep the cd in pristine condition for future re-installs (if you don't just install from their site instead). Another cool thing, if you don't already know, is that they encourage you to make a backup copy of the game disk. Not only allowed but encouraged. I can't say how many hoops I have gone through to make backups of my other games just so I could keep a master unscratched copy.
:)
Do you remember that Starforce vs Stardock fiasco? The funny thing is, that situation made me look closer at GalCiv2. I never would have checked it out if it hadn't been for that. Starforce's insistence that Stardock would loose sales actually gave them a sale. Combine that Starforce fiasco with how annoyed I was with the Doom3 protection and I was seriously sold.
>It took a considerably smaller investment to develop Galactic Civilizations II in comparison to big budget titles like Half Life 2.
>In my personal opinion, I believe the creators of GalCiv II simply did not want to spend money on copy protection.
That may seem like a very decent opinion until more research is done. The creators of GalCivII have gone on record as stating they do not believe DRM creates sales. An older game they released had the DRM added, without their knowledge, by the publisher they were using. Because of this they decided to publish themselves to prevent that from happening again. The company runs a gaming distribution at http://totalgaming.stardock.com/ with the obvious slogan "no boxes, no waiting, no DRM, your game, your way - anytime, anywhere". Not only do they purposeful not include DRM, that game I mentioned above is available without the added DRM from the other publisher. I believe there is at least one game, from another company, that has DRM if purchased in the store. It does not have it when purchased from totalgaming. The demo accidentally had DRM still in it. Stardock removed the demo, apologised, and persuaded the makers to provided a non DRM demo. As you can see, this stance isn't because they don't wish to spend money. It is because they wish to make money. They are a really decent company all around.
From actual experience of a web site I am currently designing, I must disagree. The old site used tables for layout and no font tags. The current site was redone with the same visible content, the same visual placements, and css for layout. The size drop for each html file was at least fifty percent. This is a huge reduction for the entire site. This is not an unusual situation either. ESPN.com made the shift from table layouts to css and the result was calculated to be near a savings of 730 terabytes per year. I think you will agree that a savings of approximately three quarters of a petabyte is a significant amount. As an early table layout designer I have found that the shift to css has drastically made things easier and many more things possible. Sure, it was hard at first until I had a good grasp of how to use css, but once I could look at a page and begin to know the css properties needed it became very efficient in both time and space.
I have to admit, that was what impressed me the most. I would have written a software solution myself. Doing it all with only his mind, pencil and paper was just way too cool.
lol, I had read that but didn't connect the number to your post. Thanks for replying. :)
Where did you get 5,000? No, I am not debating any part of this thread. I am honestly want to know how to locate this information. I have always wanted to be able to determine the numbers myself for curiosities sake. If the answer is "just grep the kernel code for X" then I will happily do that. Thanks.
I see your point. This goes along very well with what was mentioned before in another post. A project should state its goals and in these goals it should be made clear what the users should expect. If it is released as something akin to Public Domain then users should expect nothing. If, however, the project makes the claim that it will attempt to fix issues and keep up to date with other outside changes, an aim client for example, then the maintainer should definitely fix the bugs and keep users notified. In that situation, I think you are definitely correct. It would not be shepherding the users. I also feel that if a project aims to respond to the users and the maintainer cannot do it, then the code/development cycle should be opened up more to allow others to contribute and help out. That could alleviate some of the strain on smaller projects. For larger projects, that have already done this, I don't honestly know at this point. :P
If my previous post made it appear that I thought that any help to the users was a bad thing then that was my fault in communication. I think some of this issue stems from an attempt to run open source projects in cathedral mode as opposed to bazaar mode (see the book "The Cathedran and the Bazaar" for reference). "Release early and release often" seems to be a good mantra for open source to follow in most cases.