I can tell you my experience as a voting booth volunteer in my home county. The ballots are purchased by the county, and each ballot has a unique sequential ID number. When you arrive at your polling location and check in, they check your name on the voter roll and mark that you recieved a ballot. Then they hand you a ballot from the top of the stack. At the end of the day the polling volunteer submits the number of ballots cast as well as the number of remaining blank ballots. This number should match the number they recieved in the morning. In the auditing process, one could also check the ID numbers to make sure there are no duplicate IDs and that all ID numbers were in the range distributed to that polling location.
I'm surprised that your voting system is set up this way. In many US states (the law varies by state) everything is fully auditable by anybody. You can even go in there with a calculator and recount everything by hand, if you really wanted to.
it's not though. 160 reps voted in favor for it, 1 voted against it. 38 voted to abstain, and 94 ducked out of the room so they wouldn't have to take a position on the bill (this is common, happens in US all the time).
sounds unanimous to me, or as close as you'll ever get in a democracy.
why not just do this with paper ballots like I described above? I don't see any significant benefit to voting technology. Paper already provides 100% transparency and 100% auditing. The only way electronic is a benefit is to get faster counts for election night on CNN, but that's a problem for CNN to worry about, and the voting system shouldn't be designed around that.
do you see any benefits to electronic voting that I am missing?
why don't you just do paper ballots? at my precinct we use a scan tron system. voters fill out a scan tron sheet ("fill in the bubbles with No 2 pencil"). Machine counts it locally and prints out a summary tape. Precinct sends summary tape and all scantron sheets to the state. State adds up the summary sheets and that's the total. Not only are the summary sheets auditable by hand, but even the scantrons can be auditted. 100% transparency, 100% paper trail.
In what way would an electronic voting system be better?
at least paper voting has an auditable "paper trail." also it probably would be done by CIA, not NSA in that case since it's not related to signals intelligence.
Of course in NZ the NSA or similar body interfered in the election as well. A couple days before voting, an anonymous person "leaked" private emails showing the leading candidate had an affair. I wonder who did that?
An admirable gesture, but the surveillance bill eventually passed near unanimously, 160-1 (every country has a bernie sanders). Also notably, their NSA was caught "packet tapping" on gmail accounts, and has been accused of manipulating the 2012 election. Another reason to not have electronic voting! (there are so many reasons).
i don't see what your comment means. If you don't want adware light, just get $1 light. Or free-to-try-limited-functionality light. any choice is better than malware light.
> He described the practice of charging companies to be whitelisted as a 'modern day protection racket',
This is a little hyperbolic, but the whole ABP business model feels a little weird. But considering all the extortion from copyright holders, patent holders, trademark holders, it seems that extortion is a perfectly valid business model (as long as it doesn't involve violence)
> Bernie is done... we saw that again tonight as I predicted.
Bernie was predicted to win zero, or maybe one state last night. Instead he won four, and was very close in a fifth. This shows that he's still in! Also, consider that the "SEC primary" of super tuesday was always predicted to be his worst night of the campaign, so for him to survive this and continue on, it's only uphill from here. His strongest stretch will be in the final three weeks - Oregon, Washington, Nebraska, California. So as long as hillary doesn't get an outright majority, he'll push through.
He also has mega cash dollars, a huge fan base, and is passionate about a cause. So he has no incentive to drop out. Also consider, Hillary has a 50/50 chance of dropping out voluntarily if she's charged with felonies.
you say no country has done it, then you acknowlege that many european countries and several other wealthy countries have managed to combine a democratic government and a strong safety net. say what you will about the barely-contained chaos of the british parliamentary system, with bare knuckle politics and sometimes literal fights, the system is nominally functional (similar to ours) and is democratic.
if you're on this site often then you're likely a data driven realist (a nerd), not an ideologue. So wouldn't you want to compare two democratic countries to see which economic plans result in better outcomes? With regard to health care specifically, most european countries have: * longer lifespans * better quality of life * lower per-capita health care costs
wouldn't you want to move our country's policies towards a system that has demonstrated better outcomes in other democractic ountries? at least explore such a system and see how it can be incorporated with our constitution and values? That seems like a common sense data-driven decision to me.
There's only one candidate who is not a millionaire and doesn't work for the billionaire class. If we want things to be different from the status quo, we need to feel the bern!
> She's not especially clever. She's not especially wise. She's not especially respected or trusted. She's not well liked. She's not good at giving speeches. She's not good at leading people. She's not good at managing things.
She's not especially truthful. She's not especially trusted. There's only one honest choice in this election. Feel the bern!
I'm sick and tired of your bs and i'm calling you out right here right now. Here is your comment #32700246 that you like to quote in your tagline. different than how you quote it. I'm calling you out!
it's like, "if you dare to interfere with our propaganda, we'll retaliate by shutting down the service on which we distribute our propaganda!" Seems poorly thought out.
Google said some words of support, but they would still bend over for the govt when requested. They wouldn't actually make a stand like this. and even if they did, it's not clear if the handset oem or if the OS oem would be required to do this.
Once they bring in android phones, I can't wait to see all of sheriff joe's dirty emails that get leaked by hackers. I hear he has a strong position on illegal immigrants!
maybe they will wish they used phones with better encryption.
> next month will present a paper titled "Passive Wi-Fi: Bringing Low Power to Wi-Fi Transmissions" at the USENIX Symposium on Networked Systems Design in Santa Clara
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I can tell you my experience as a voting booth volunteer in my home county. The ballots are purchased by the county, and each ballot has a unique sequential ID number. When you arrive at your polling location and check in, they check your name on the voter roll and mark that you recieved a ballot. Then they hand you a ballot from the top of the stack. At the end of the day the polling volunteer submits the number of ballots cast as well as the number of remaining blank ballots. This number should match the number they recieved in the morning. In the auditing process, one could also check the ID numbers to make sure there are no duplicate IDs and that all ID numbers were in the range distributed to that polling location.
The system works!
I'm surprised that your voting system is set up this way. In many US states (the law varies by state) everything is fully auditable by anybody. You can even go in there with a calculator and recount everything by hand, if you really wanted to.
it's not though. 160 reps voted in favor for it, 1 voted against it. 38 voted to abstain, and 94 ducked out of the room so they wouldn't have to take a position on the bill (this is common, happens in US all the time).
sounds unanimous to me, or as close as you'll ever get in a democracy.
why not just do this with paper ballots like I described above? I don't see any significant benefit to voting technology. Paper already provides 100% transparency and 100% auditing. The only way electronic is a benefit is to get faster counts for election night on CNN, but that's a problem for CNN to worry about, and the voting system shouldn't be designed around that.
do you see any benefits to electronic voting that I am missing?
why don't you just do paper ballots? at my precinct we use a scan tron system. voters fill out a scan tron sheet ("fill in the bubbles with No 2 pencil"). Machine counts it locally and prints out a summary tape. Precinct sends summary tape and all scantron sheets to the state. State adds up the summary sheets and that's the total. Not only are the summary sheets auditable by hand, but even the scantrons can be auditted. 100% transparency, 100% paper trail.
In what way would an electronic voting system be better?
at least paper voting has an auditable "paper trail." also it probably would be done by CIA, not NSA in that case since it's not related to signals intelligence.
Of course in NZ the NSA or similar body interfered in the election as well. A couple days before voting, an anonymous person "leaked" private emails showing the leading candidate had an affair. I wonder who did that?
An admirable gesture, but the surveillance bill eventually passed near unanimously, 160-1 (every country has a bernie sanders). Also notably, their NSA was caught "packet tapping" on gmail accounts, and has been accused of manipulating the 2012 election. Another reason to not have electronic voting! (there are so many reasons).
i don't see what your comment means. If you don't want adware light, just get $1 light. Or free-to-try-limited-functionality light. any choice is better than malware light.
> He described the practice of charging companies to be whitelisted as a 'modern day protection racket',
This is a little hyperbolic, but the whole ABP business model feels a little weird. But considering all the extortion from copyright holders, patent holders, trademark holders, it seems that extortion is a perfectly valid business model (as long as it doesn't involve violence)
> Bernie is done... we saw that again tonight as I predicted.
Bernie was predicted to win zero, or maybe one state last night. Instead he won four, and was very close in a fifth. This shows that he's still in! Also, consider that the "SEC primary" of super tuesday was always predicted to be his worst night of the campaign, so for him to survive this and continue on, it's only uphill from here. His strongest stretch will be in the final three weeks - Oregon, Washington, Nebraska, California. So as long as hillary doesn't get an outright majority, he'll push through.
He also has mega cash dollars, a huge fan base, and is passionate about a cause. So he has no incentive to drop out. Also consider, Hillary has a 50/50 chance of dropping out voluntarily if she's charged with felonies.
you say no country has done it, then you acknowlege that many european countries and several other wealthy countries have managed to combine a democratic government and a strong safety net. say what you will about the barely-contained chaos of the british parliamentary system, with bare knuckle politics and sometimes literal fights, the system is nominally functional (similar to ours) and is democratic.
if you're on this site often then you're likely a data driven realist (a nerd), not an ideologue. So wouldn't you want to compare two democratic countries to see which economic plans result in better outcomes? With regard to health care specifically, most european countries have:
* longer lifespans
* better quality of life
* lower per-capita health care costs
wouldn't you want to move our country's policies towards a system that has demonstrated better outcomes in other democractic ountries? at least explore such a system and see how it can be incorporated with our constitution and values? That seems like a common sense data-driven decision to me.
YOUR vote is irrelevant, because you probably won't vote anyway with that attitude.
he's not a communist, he's a social democrat. stop repeating what you hear on fox news.
There's only one candidate who is not a millionaire and doesn't work for the billionaire class. If we want things to be different from the status quo, we need to feel the bern!
> She's not especially clever. She's not especially wise. She's not especially respected or trusted. She's not well liked. She's not good at giving speeches. She's not good at leading people. She's not good at managing things.
She's not especially truthful. She's not especially trusted. There's only one honest choice in this election. Feel the bern!
Bernie sanders doesn't do it. Feel the bern!
I'm sick and tired of your bs and i'm calling you out right here right now. Here is your comment #32700246 that you like to quote in your tagline. different than how you quote it. I'm calling you out!
maybe elon could load ted cruz onto the rocket before sending it to space? then he can make sure it fails? that would be super sweet thx.
do you work for goog? are you a goog shill? did I hurt your feels?
isis and al quaeda are a bit like democrats and republicans. two ostensibly opposing forces both working to destroy humanity.
it's like, "if you dare to interfere with our propaganda, we'll retaliate by shutting down the service on which we distribute our propaganda!" Seems poorly thought out.
> The only reason we've seen encryption cracked in the past is because they found an exploit in the implementation of the encryption driver itself.
android has been hacked multiple times and many people know that there are many os-level holes that would make any attempts at encryption useles..
Google said some words of support, but they would still bend over for the govt when requested. They wouldn't actually make a stand like this. and even if they did, it's not clear if the handset oem or if the OS oem would be required to do this.
Once they bring in android phones, I can't wait to see all of sheriff joe's dirty emails that get leaked by hackers. I hear he has a strong position on illegal immigrants!
maybe they will wish they used phones with better encryption.
> next month will present a paper titled "Passive Wi-Fi: Bringing Low Power to Wi-Fi Transmissions" at the USENIX Symposium on Networked Systems Design in Santa Clara
lol looks like UNISEX.