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Laid-Off Disney IT Workers Decry Offshoring At Trump Rally (computerworld.com)
dcblogs writes: Two former Disney IT workers spoke at a Donald Trump campaign rally on Sunday, telling about the shock of having to train their foreign replacements. Speaking at the large rally in Madison, Ala. was Dena Moore, a former Disney IT worker who trained her foreign replacement, and said tech workers are reluctant to talk about the problem. IT workers "are afraid, they're in shock," she told the cheering crowd. "They're not coming forward because we have been taught all our lives to make do and keep going on. But you know what? This little old grandma is going to stand up for what's right. "The fact is that Americans are losing their jobs to foreigners," said Moore. "I believe Mr. Trump is for Americans first."
Hah, Trump vs. H-1B/Offshoring.
You go grl! Grandma-gr! Kick them unamericans back to the borders from which they infiltrated, or kingdom come, which is closest.
Whether that means offshoring jobs, or speaking against offshoring jobs as a means to the presidency, or hiring foreign workers to work on his construction projects ... Mr Trump will always do what's best for Mr Trump. If your interests align with his great, and if they don't he'll try to convince you that they do for as long as he needs your cooperation. The only reason Mr Trump is running for president is because he thinks he can use the position to advance his business concerns and make him richer than he already is. Why waste money buying off politicians when if you can get yourself into office it's free?
Actually the reason IT workers aren't talking about this is because they usually sign comprehensive covenants to get the severance payout.
Didn't Disney end up reverting a good portion of the layoffs?
Trump is the end result of lots of people feeling disenfranchised and angry over many, many years. To be fair, there's a lot to be angry about, but I don't think that Trump's supporters are really thinking this one through. People who are angry rarely do. They just want "something" to be done.
Welcome to the second wave of "Hope and Change" as a political platform.
Love sees no species.
Heed this: If Sanders is the nominee, I'll vote libertarian as always. If that witch is the nominee, I'll be voting for trump. I'm not alone, by far.
I suspect that these starry-eyed optimists wouldn't be entirely pleased with Trump's cost reduction strategies during his years in real estate, which have included trying to go cheap on the pesky human resources; but they are correct that he is basically the only option on the republican side who is even interested in pretending to care about the filthy peons who aren't good enough to realize their income in capital gains rather than 'wages'.
It's almost as though people can't be made to vote against their economic interests by promising to keep the scary gays away from school prayer forever. Crazy stuff.
Which is why, given the opportunity to demonstrate his commitment to the American worker, Trump employed only American citizens in his hotels and casinos, right?
The usual cool, calm, and collected discussion that follows whenever a political topic appears here on Slashdot..
I'm voting for Sanders but it sadly looks like Trump will be president.
Every time he spouts off some stupid racist shit, he just goes up in the polls.
Now he has received an official endorsement from the KKK and David Duke and guess what? He's polling higher than ever.
Do these Americans seriously think Trump gives a fuppenny tuck about American workers? I have absolutely no doubt that Trump employs in his companies whomsoever is (a) cheapest and (b) causes the least trouble. If he is now trying to get elected on an 'American jobs for real Americans' ticket then that represents a level of hypocrisy in him that even I thought impossible in a human being.
The "shortage" of US citizen IT workers in America is a myth. Importation of "guest workers" through various means are simply companies on the buy AND sell side of the equation gaming the US immigration system to distort the price of labor. The same could be said in other industries such as farm labor. Adequate supply of labor exists, but the industry is chafing at paying market labor rates.
The beneficiaries of this cozy relationship between politicians and offshore companies who broker IT consultants by the pound are the politicians taking $$$ and the brokers taking huge skims off the top of the rates paid for the guest workers. Meanwhile, both the US citizen workers and the guest workers are faced with lower wages, with the guest workers taking the brunt of the abuse. (Imagine paying half or more of your salary to some broker who's only "value" is to pay off politicians to get you a visa into another country).
Want to start a technology company and don't want to pay the prevailing wages? Then by all means open up shop in China, Eastern Europe, Brasil, India....wherever. I'm sure those countries would be delighted.
Slashdot response to original article about Disney layoffs: "This is terrible! Why aren't our politicians doing something about this? They're all in the pockets of the corporations!"
Slashdot response to this article: "Finally! A politician who is letting people speak out against... Oh wait, it's a Republican? Shit. Uh...I changed my mind. These fired workers are just a bunch of small-minded, gun-clutching, racist, protectionist morons. BTW, which republican was it anyway? TRUMP?! Fuck. All hail Disney! I welcome our H-1B overlords!"
...you think he'd have kept you from losing your Disney job (despite the fact that he doesn't actually give a sh** about blue collar Americans once they're done casting votes) - your job is more important that the clear indications that he's a misogynistic racist hot head liar who has bankrupted FOUR TIMES.
This country really has become all about "me." Sure, I'll give up the fourth amendment, and start traipsing on the first - just to make sure some brown skinned guy doesn't crash an airplane with me in it. People who think like that don't deserve the sacrifices of our armed forces - Men and women who who lived through Bastogne, the horrors of Peleliu, through the years to the battle of Wanat (look it up.) They died so you could BE AMERICANS. EARN IT.
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Mr. Trump please spare the rest of the world the American bullshit. Bottom of the barrel when it comes to science and math, but number one in confidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbt2KgHIHvI
When it comes to the average Joe, America is quickly becoming a vast empty container for other nations values.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Trump is for himself and only for himself. He is a textbook narcissist. Nobody else matters.
Trump scares the hell out of me. I don't like Hillary or the Republicans still left in the race. Sanders has some views that I take pretty strong objection to. But Trump is by far the worst.
The Nazis never had a majority in Germany, but they had enough ardent supporters and created enough fear to have power. Along the way, they portrayed Jews as evil villains, though a campaign of propaganda. The ultra-nationalism was certainly a trademark of the Nazis, too.
While Trump's views aren't supported by a majority of Americans, not even close, there are enough supporters that he could get power. There are enough people in this country who believe that foreigners and any Muslims (Americans or otherwise) are harmful. There are some truly evil Muslims in the world, such as those running ISIL. But most of the anti-Islamic propaganda is absolutely false and unfortunately has similarities to the antisemitic propaganda from the Nazis. This has been simmering in the US since at least 9/11 and there are a lot of angry people. The anger and outrage at perceived injustices is what helped put the Nazis in power.
Trump isn't another Hitler, but he's a dangerous step in that direction. He says he'd oppose foreigners and definitely would go after Muslims. Trump would also restrict free speech and the internet. I don't think it's correct to call Trump a fascist, but he's a dangerous step in that direction. We've already taken plenty of steps in the US toward a police state. Trump scares the hell out of me. He's a dangerous step closer to tyranny. I fear that if the reactionaries in the US get power, we may see war in a decade or two to liberate the US.
If slashdotters' "all about me" attitude is any representation of the attitude in the US, America is screwed. A country has to be able to make some sacrifices and work together. A nation of people who just look out for themselves is a nation that is headed for civil war.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Could it just simply be free market and lack of impressing the boss? Nobody is owed a job, go make your own job, or work with what's out there if you can't afford the risks.
So the only way to become a true American is by murdering other people (preferably people from other nations/cultures).
Hell, I would like to become a citizen myself!
Would you like to know more?
Sad aspect of human nature. The protectionist measures suggested by Trump will harm everyone including the ones supposedly being helped.
That's what the economists say.
One of the things that brought the Roman empire down was all the poor barbarians who wanted in on her wealth. So, they flooded over the boarders and sucked them dry.
Let's look at this as a supply and demand problem. There are billions of poor smart people in the World. If I took the 90th percentile of intelligent people in the World, I can populate the US more than twice over with just geniuses.
Meaning, you can be replaced easily - and I don't care how smart you think you are.
Now, with wages being pushed down, our cost of living won't go anywhere. The bank isn't going to say, "Awe, your job prospects have been decimated by H1-bs. Here, we'll discount that mortgage because we're such nice people."
Food prices are going up.
Our standard of living is declining.
Our economy has changed dramatically in the last 20 or so years. Globalization is proving to be a bust for us little people. The benefits go to the top while we get the crumbs. We never had to deal with a business just picking everything up and going to some third world country, setting up shop and then importing what they make over there. Please, that cheap big screen TV is worthless to me when important things are increasing in cost. We never had to deal before with a company closing an entire department down and sending it all to India or Eastern Europe.
My father-in-law who graduated with his BSME from a public university in the early 60s walked into a job and never had to look for a job in 55 years. Today, he'd have a hard time getting that first job because he didn't go to a top school.
Things have changed and are changing for the worst for us little people.
What can be done? Don't know exactly. But the first step is to eliminate the H1-b program. It is not needed.
Trump supporters shoudl check out stories like this:
http://fortune.com/2015/08/03/...
Mr. Trump is for Americans first.
I believe that is true for one American only: Mr. Trump himself.
Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
should be evidence enough that the employer is lying when they say they can't fill a position with an american and they should lose ***ALL*** of their h1bs, those here should be sent back home - not allowed to find a different employer to sponsor them, AND the employer should be prohibited from applying for more for at least five years.
Apparently you have trouble comprehending what's written. I didn't say anything about there being value in killing, I'm saying there's value in sacrifice for the greater good.
I have no reason to want that woman to lose her job, but her casting a vote for some total asshat is simpler her responding to a feeling of helplessness. It's a selfish vote. It's not illegal. and she's free to vote for whomsoever she chooses.
I'm also free to point out that this makes her an angry, selfish, and more worried about herself than America as a whole.
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Trump is a sign of the decline of America. No populist like him has been successful. This is because, just like the Sanders of the world, they promise stuff they can't deliver. Want to make America great again? Stop crying about how an injun took yer jerb and outcompete them either by price or by performance. You live in a country where you have opportunity, take that instead of your supposed entitlements.
Calling someone a misogynist these days is essentially giving them praise, with all the bullshit that feminists are throwing at the developed world. Try not to use that epithet. And being against immigrants is not being a racist. If Mexico was filled with 7 foot tall blonde, blue eyed germanic people who had a ~50 murders per 100k people, Trump would exploit them for gain just as much as the real, darker breed.
Trump does not like NAFTA 2 / TPTA that may cut the mini wage and other stuff for works down to the level of Viet Nam
Each party is stuck with a toxic candidate in part due to its own rules:
On the Republican side, they really want a way to get rid of Trump, but they chose to select most of their delegates by a reasonably democratic process.
On the Democrat side, they are stuck with Hillary because they decided to create enough superdelegates that they could override the democratic process.
If the parties had switched nominee selection processess, other than not being Trump I'm not sure who they would have picked, but for the Democrats we'd probably be seeing Sanders- or a lot of folks who didn't enter the race because of the superdelegates would have been there to consider.
Anyway, the whole thing leaves me looking at the third party candidates to decide who to vote for instead of Kang and Kodos
because the "Trumps" in this world are causing this ;)
It is always the rank and file employee's fault. It is never the fault of corrupt politicians who work for their cronies instead of working for the people.
It is never the fault of the CEO who wants a bigger bonus check by doing layoffs.
But don't worry that same CEO will whine like a crybaby about the fake "talent shortage"!
So, which Globalist Think Tank paid you to write that post?
I'll let the 1% go first in BEING AMERICANS who need to EARN IT, instead of finding tax dodges and subverting democracy with their money. Let them be patriotic for a while.
That is all.
""The fact is that Americans are losing their jobs to foreigners," said Moore. "I believe Mr. Trump is for Americans first."" If he believed that he'd not be shipping all those manufacturing jobs to china
IT workers long has a culture of welcoming competitions, even if it's coming from oversea. Speaking against it show ones weakness and is not politically correct... There's highly skilled IT jobs and and those that can be written into processes and handed to offshore team. Trump may say a lot of wrong things and liars, But is it still liars if everyone can spot them? He just want attentions and will not do worst than any other candidates. I don't think he could got us into Iraq war like Bush or brought in ISIS by supporting Arab spring like Obama
This may ultimately take a new party, one that forms out of the wreckage that Sanders and Trump will leave behind them. Meanwhile, let's use our scanning electron microscopes to find evidence of pro-science sentiment in the existing political field.
Republicans: Isn't science/tech as worthy of investment as war?
Democrats: When science bestows on us such things as dense carbon-free energy and fine control over how the genome of any desired species can develop, just for once try embracing innovation instead of fearing it. This is where new jobs - those good American jobs in your platform rhetoric - come from.
Hillary has a shameful history of corruption that goes back to the 1970s. Even Micheal Moore shamed Hillary for taking bribes from the health care industry.
The Clintons have been influence peddlers for decades.
The ex-Disney IT workers are foolishly backing the wrong horse. Donald Trump does not hesitate to outsource and does so with his own clothing line which is manufactured in Mexico. Donald Trump is only saying what these ex-Disney IT workers want to hear so that he can get support in the primaries. Has it even occurred to these ex-Disney employees that Trump is being disingenuous? Simply because someone tells you something that you want to hear, does not mean that their motives are pure.
You can't be a racist if you don't like losing your job to a south Asians H1B Visa holder because South Asians are consider to be Caucasian under the Three Race Theory. You can dislike them for being South Asians but it is like Northern Europeans disliking Southern Europeans.
The American people are sick to death of hearing bullshit about labor shortages.
We Want The Truth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHLcrfhwPtc
A country has to be able to make some sacrifices and work together.
This made me laugh. The internal party debates for leadership clearly show your politicians can't work together even when they're on the same team. But if you vote in Trump you're more likely to have other wars to deal with before civil war becomes a problem.
She has also allowed top secrets to be leaked - secrets so sensitive that the FBI has said that most of her emails can NEVER be released to the public, due to their contents. The people investigating her had to get THEIR security clearances UPGRADED to even LOOK at her emails. Never mind the fact that our enemies may well have it.
He has stated in the past that H1-Bs should have a prevailing wage associated with them.
Donald Trump Turned Down 94.4 Percent of American Job Applicants, Applied for Hundreds of ‘H’ Visas Instead http://www.nationalreview.com/...
Corporations these days don't feel the need to go out of their way to attract employees. They hold out their hands with whatever amount of money they choose and if no one flocks to it they throw up their hands and lobby to the government. They don't see people who are bound to areas because of families, because of financial restrictions, because of life.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
The real reason to vote for Trump? The political establishment is, for the first time in decades, genuinely frightened. They didn't really mind Bush because he was one of their own. Bush was in Skull and Bones at Yale. You think good ol' boys from Texas get into Yale, much less Skull and Bones? No the Bushes were Yankee bluebloods. But Trump? Nope. He can't be counted on to do the right thing for the establishment and they are really scared for the first time in their lives. You have to understand, these people have been wrongdoing for decades and now they have the very real consequence of going to prison for their crimes. They are going to scream and fight like a 3 year old who has just had her marshmallow taken away. All the doomsayers? LOL like the USA isn't strong enough to withstand a populist one termer. We just had 8 years of a Marxist racist divider who despises the American people, and we're still here. 16 if you include Bu$hitler. The hysteria emanating from the corridors of power is like what happened when Chavez and Evo Morales were in real danger of being elected. And guess what: things turned out fine for the people of those nations. Less well for their elites, many of whom are now in prison for their crimes.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Or did some gay-framer put that link in there? Tip for next time. Don't copy gay site links to your clipboard and you won't paste them in the middle of your ramblings. Or, ramble on.
Political parties add to their names the labels that their ideology lacks, to trick those people that never get past the name. So, it comes to no surprise that the Democrat party does not believe in the democratic process.
Ugh, I hate this kind of faux patriotic trash.
They didn't die so that we could be Americans, they died doing a dangerous job. Nobody goes into the armed forces to die honorably. They want to make money for their families, be trained in a skill, try to sort out their life, or something else you would probably call selfish. They didn't make their bullets, jackets, magazines, guns, helmets, boots or shoelaces. Ordinary citizens did that. They didn't build their landing ships, cruisers, destroyers, submarines, artillery shells, torpedos or sew their own sheets and stuff their own pillows. Ordinary citizens did that. They didn't build their own planes, bombs, machine guns, engines, process oils or petrol. Ordinary citizens did that. A huge number of people sacrificed a lot of time, and in some cases their lives, over the course of many years to bring World War II to its conclusion, and only a fraction of that was the armed forces. What part of the United in United States of America do you not understand you self-centered pantywaist?
I don't understand the American fascination with idolizing their armed forces. They're normal people doing a dangerous job, and they can only do it because they have an army of citizens standing behind them. Where do you get off telling them their decision to vote one way or the other is right or wrong in the first place? They're trying to do something about a problem that nobody seems to be able to solve and everyone and their uncle claims to have the solution to. What are you doing? Bitching on the internet. Way to buck the trend, mate.
What I find interesting about Trump's campaign is that he's managed to prevent other people from defining him and thereby generalizing him. He's both embraced and pissed off different groups of voters on all sides of the political landscape. In this particular case, if you believe that all Republicans are only looking out for evil rich corporations that will do anything for their bottom line such as offshoring, this case takes away that generalization.
As a matter of interest, Tim Cook is on the Arizona Republican Primary ballot this year.
If slashdotters' "all about me" attitude is any representation of the attitude in the US, America is screwed.
Any political discussion always brings a mass of Randian libertarians out of the woodwork, they don't post in any other discussions but they show up for these. It's almost like someone brings them in on a bus.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I'm a 20 year IT veteran, and have been through the offshoring thing a few times. Companies are starting to get that there are some tasks that can be scripted and handed off and some that require intelligence, but it's a slow process. I hope the trend stabilizes before all of the upside is sucked out of an IT career.
I've mentioned my support for a professional organization for IT and software dev, complete with apprenticeships, real barriers to entry, and consequences for screwing up. Rather than throwing support behind a politician, people should be supporting ideas like this. All the money and time spent propping up a candidate is better spent buying a way out of the current H-1B cycle. It's way more effective to send your team of lobbyists to Congress with brown paper bags full of money, in exchange for the chance to write legislation favorable to your group. Businesses do it all the time, and so do other professions' organizations.
I think the blatant abuse of the H-1B program has to stop. The program itself is a good stopgap for _real_ shortages of skilled workers. What I don't like is Cognizant, Infosys, IBM, HP, Accenture, Xerox, and all the other outsourcers swapping in H-1Bs in an arms-length transaction to the target company. This allows the Disneys and Southern California Edisons of the world to pull a "Pontius Pilate" and wash their hands of the IT department -- "It wasn't us! It was our offshore business partners!"
This anger is what happens when policies are ignored. Of course the immigration officers, politicians and policy makers are going "Doh!". We did blatantly allow a major corporation replace domestic workers with cheap foreign ones without even pretence of lack of available local skill sets. we'll see more of this as more IT workers speak out against importing cheap replacements and offshoring. They should have tried near-shoring instead, or at least tempt IT workers from Kansas or low living cost area to telecommute and phase the employees out in stages and series of "failed at impossible tasks" (A strategy that Microsoft developed and other companies adapted awhile ago to phase out undesired workers, with some success...at least those without money to sue). this is going to be fun to watch. Also a result of lack of social responsibility. Sanders might be able to help there...Trump certainly won't. He'll pander to interests groups as much as the Obama (to a lessor extent) and Clinton (to a greater extent). There is a track record with strong indications on both these candidates.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
Yes, he does blow hard! I think I'll start calling his campaign the blow job.
Fixing the H1B fiasco is simply an Executive Order away and I believe he will do it.
Still not as bad as t-Rump.
t-Rump seems to be good at one thing, that that's marketing t-Rump.
t-Rump's guide to winning, summarized from the art of the deal:
Phase 1, borrow lots of money--having a rich daddy really helps
Phase 2, use borrowed money to look like you're engaging in major business endeavor, acquire more investors and loans.
Phase 3, make sure that you pay yourself a grandiose CEO salary. i.e. your Profit! not business profit.
Phase 4, whatever your business endeavor is, success doesn't matter anymore, you can always renegotiate with debtors because they don't want to lose everything and you now have a major brand!
t-Rump has even figured how to make a profit from a political campaign: Put is some of his own seed money, loan the campaign lots of money at a high interest rate and do it all while appearing to self-fund. Later solicit donations from the public and pocket that money, while loaning the campaign even more money. And even if his campaign doesn't pay back the loans; he gets to write them off, they aren't donations, they're loans. Damn, sounds almost like he's taken lessons in money laundering!
And let's not forget him needing to do more research before denouncing the endorsement of the Klan.
Not all terrorist are brown skinned... or guys... Strawman much?
Switch the rules as you suggest and Trump would have run under the democratic ticket with largely the same results he's seeing now. Not many hard-core party-liners believe Trump is really a republican, and certainly not many of the actual republicans believe that. Most of his support comes is coming from populist rhetoric aimed at large groups of people that have been quietly stewing in their juices for a long time now. That position plays across party lines.
In what universe is Donald Trump considered an "eloquent speaker"? Please provide some evidence, in the form of transcript or links to video, that shows Donald Trump speaking eloquently.
Slashdotters will remember Adam Carolla, who fought against the patent troll Personal Audio ("Adam Carolla Joins Fight Against Podcast Patent Troll" March 25, 2014, at http://yro.slashdot.org/story/14/03/25/1222210/adam-carolla-joins-fight-against-podcast-patent-troll ).
Carolla had an interesting conversation with Dr. Drew about Donald Trump regarding this very issue:
Title: "Adam Carolla & Dr. Drew: Donald Trump"
Published on: November 15, 2015
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG8QX5SEtMU
View Count: 21,263
(To be more precise, at 4 minutes and 16 seconds (https://youtu.be/HG8QX5SEtMU?t=4m16s ) Carolla specifically addresses the "eloquence" issue, but the entire video post is interesting)
Likewise, an interesting clip from 1988 (twenty eight years ago) from The Oprah Winfrey Show:
Title: "Donald Tump Teases 1988 oprah Show | The Oprah Winfrey Show|OWN"
Published on: June 25, 2015
Posted by: OWN
LInk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI
View Count: 1,394,917
Compare with Trump sitting with the Chicago Tribune editorial board:
Title: Donald Tump discuses Presidential run with Tribune editorial board
Published: June 29, 2015
Posted by : Chicago Tribune
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m91vEm9kAsY
View Count:: 201,823
Oh, and "News for Nerds": There's eye candy in that video at 3 minutes and 28 seconds (https://youtu.be/m91vEm9kAsY?t=3m28s).
Trump's press conference where he discusses his tax plan :
Title: Full Press Conference: Donald Trump Unveils His Tax Plan (9-28-15)
Published on: Sep 28, 2015
Posted by:Right Side Broadcasting
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lom9mPITxOo
View Count: 116, 518
More specifically, look at this exchange with a reporter at 12 minutes 3 seconds:
https://youtu.be/Lom9mPITxOo?t=12m3s
Those View Counts look low. Has the "Slashdot effect" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot_effect) run out of steam ?
I like Sanders. He probably won't win the nomination. I would rather "waste" my vote on a 3rd party in protest than vote for Trump or Clinton. This years election has really opened my eyes as to how "rigged" everything is. I can't even vote in my own primary because I missed the cutoff date weeks ago to switch from independent to democrat. Not that it will even matter because of our state-by-state system which pretty much guarantees the nomination before my state even gets to vote.
Trump employs mainly foreign workers in his Mar-a-Lago Club. Elect him and you'll all be out of jobs. Good luck!
Since 2010, nearly 300 United States residents have applied or been referred for jobs as waiters, waitresses, cooks and housekeepers there. But according to federal records, only 17 have been hired.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/26/us/politics/donald-trump-taps-foreign-work-force-for-his-florida-club.html?_r=0
Well, he is an alcoholic.
I believe they will, they are just waiting for when it is in the home stretch of the presidential elections with Hillary as the Democratic runner. Spring that sucker and *poof* there goes the 10% lead she had with Trump. Even if the charges don't stick and she is eventual found in the clear. Add to that her finally cracking with her tied in the polls and the legal battle... she'll say something nasty and presto... the deal will be sealed with Trump for President. She doesn't need to be found guilty... just enough FUD to confirm in most people's mind that she's not to be trusted.
Which is why none of his companies employ any non-Americans!
Oh, wait...
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Horse-stuff! Let's try this again:
It was NOT illegal to use one's personal email server at the time*, AND the "office" server she would have been using if not for the home server was NOT designed for classified materials EITHER. The EXACT SAME PROBLEM would exist if classified material was sent to that office server also. "Home-ness" is NOT the issue. The office server was a generic server with generic setups. H's server outlived that junk-box, even.
* Some experts suggest there is a finalization procedure that she should have done when her term was complete, but was skipped. I don't have the details on this alleged violation. My interpretation is that this law is vague, not specifying what technically constitutes a "copy", since most emails were already "copied" in the sender's system, because that's what email systems do. But the office server died, complicating matters and verification.
Table-ized A.I.
Maybe we need to implement work laws like Thailand. That if a job can be filled by a US Citizen then a foreigner can not take that job.
When all else fails, hire me!
Re-train, pick up some new skills instead, etc. That's whats great about capitalism. It can redirect resources reasonably easily to where those resources have the greatest benefit. If people actually do the logical thing rather than getting bent out of shape about there own poor financial decisions and loss of employment we wouldn't be in this mess. We'd have a more efficient easier system. Not this bureaucratic mess we have now.
In my youth I had the opportunity to go work for a great company doing great things. However they couldn't compete. American workers are *expensive*. Do you know what I did instead? I took a $9 hour job fixing computers at a major retailer, then worked on starting a side business fixing computers, then in 6-8 months quit the $9 / hr job as my own PC fixing business took off. Then in that process I also worked on a 2nd business designing computers. The 2nd business took three years to get off the ground. However I have a much more stable job that pays significantly more than what I'd make working in IT for Disney. I don't have more skill than the average IT person and if I can do it you've got no excuse.
Your not entitled to a job. What you should be entitled to is work. Unfortunately the government sees it exactly that opposite way. You have to ask permission from the government to work (ie licenses for all kinds of professions / businesses), but they want to turn employment into an entitlement. Well guess what happens when you do that. Your jobs go overseas anyway as it's no longer cost effective to operate in the USA or your US businesses go broke and your employees lose there jobs either way.
This country needs less red tape and people need to focus on more entrepreneurial endeavours. I'm no republican. I'm no democrat. I hate both parties equally. I'd like to just eliminate government and setup non-profit consumer advocacy and review of products/services organizations and similar non-profit social welfare type entities. We don't need government to force these things on us. We just need to make it costly for businesses to do the dangerous/wrong/ etc thing and that can be accomplished without government . Most of the problems we have with monopolies were in fact created by government. They've resulted from things like the creation and/or extension of copyright (music, movies, software), the institution of local monopolies what happened with cable TV in the 1980s, etc.Going back and fixing things is going to be hard though. These monopolies have the advantage. Some of which might be fixed by eliminating patents, opening up rights of way, etc. They're costs have been set for some time and can out-compete any newcomers. At least long enough to put them out of businesses.
I believe Mr. Trump is for Trump first.
Much more accurate.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Christ All Fucking Mighty. If everyone who wanted to vote Libertarian would actually vote Libertarian, then maybe we could actually have a fucking Libertarian president.
> a mass of Randian libertarians
Thank you for differentiating.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Protectionism = refuse to trade various goods with a number of countries
trade sanctions = a number of countries refuse to trade various goods with you
but you think one is great and the other a grievous punishment.
btw, another thing: many countries mandate a high price of alcohol to reduce consumption... why is it you think mandating high wages would have a different effect?
What did she do illegal in Benghazi that would require an indictment?
What she did there was ignore 600 requests for extra security, outright ignore them, have one of her employees killed because of it, then lied to his family about a movie cause him to be killed. Not illegal, but is that the kind of person you want to support for president?
Republican panels lasted as long as they did because she REFUSED to answer questions. She thought the people were so beneath her that she didn't have to justify her actions about what she did or why she ignored requests for extra security. The hearings were not an attempt to indict her, they were an attempt to find out why a State Department employee died and the administration lied about it. What you should be upset about is it took 2 years before she would answer questions about it.
is a relatively simple one.
He is hated by both Democrat and Republicans alike. That alone should tell you all you need to know.
( beware any candidate that is championed by either the Red or Blue teams )
I'll vote for Trump just to get away from the status quo of the past few decades. I'll vote for Trump to help
ensure " You owe me " and " The rules don't apply to me " Clinton doesn't get elected. This country can
use a serious shake-up of its leadership.
Do I believe everything Trump says ? Of course not, only a fool would. Then again, the same can be said
for ANY of the candidates. Delusions of Grandeur and / or telling you what you want to hear is all it is. It's
how every single President in memory has been elected. They can use all the flowery language they want,
but the message is the same:
"I promise to fix all the problems the recent administration(s) have caused. "
It's either an outright lie or the candidate being naive about what they can accomplish without Congressional support.
All talk and no follow through.
So again, I'm going with Trump only to keep Hillary out, but have no more expectations from him than I would
with any other candidate. He gets the nod from me because if you're hated by both the Democrats and the
Republican elites, then you must be doing something right.
The is a very simple rule that pretty much always is true. The more resources per capita, the better off a population is. There are plenty of examples of poorly run countries that mismanage their wealth, but even they are better off than poorly run countries with no wealth. By limiting population from all sources, immigration and internal growth, the populace of a country will be better off. I wish people could live where they feel like, but until we get a zero population growth problems will continue. Our jobs may be outsourced, but so long as we have high natural resources per capita, we will be better off.
You really need to read up on Negative Advertisements which have been a thing since I was a kid. The only difference I see between Trump and GW Bush (as one example) is who is the liar, who throws the insults, and who silences other voices.
The "media" and "news" did this for decades with pretty good success. For example, ask almost anyone what they know about Ron Paul around the time he was running and they will say "he's crazy" and yet they know nothing about him or his politics. The "News" pulled sound bites and said "That crazy Ron Paul" over and over and over again. The ad hominem was still paid for by the same people who paid for Bush to get into office. Ron Paul's positions and speeches were not shown or heard unless people went out and found them. We got to hear all the negative crap about him, and of course the media mocking people who slipped up in a speech or debate. Bush was made to look better than the other candidates no matter what.
Look at Perot and what happened to him, etc.. etc... Once you start learning what to look for the game is pretty obvious. The hard part is beating the cognitive dissonance.
Trump has been doing all his own without the front man. He does not need the media to introduce "Cruz is a Liar", he did it himself and the media just replays the sound bite.
I have to agree with the top post. Trump and Sanders are both the product of a pissed off populace and wanting something to be done. Most people see "anything" as better than what we have now. Sadly the uneducated fall for the socialist traps too easy, but, that is a different matter.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
other than not being Trump I'm not sure who they would have picked
Jeb was the "establishment" choice.
The jobs do not belong to whomever currently fills them. They are not property. There is no reason in a global economy they must be filled with US talent. Some people seem to be confused about the employer employee relationship The employee is selling services on a time basis that the employer needs at a mutually agreed upon price. The employer is no more obligated, nor should they be, to continue an employment agreement where the received benefits are at a greater price than they can find elsewhere than they are obligated to "buy American" in computers and other things that they need to run their business regardless of whether as good or better at a better price is available. Whether you think it is "nice" or not is irrelevant.
He's using the tricks of the trade folks have been falling for over the years.
The last item on that list he just started using: his wife.
Almost everyone I've known who has been fired or laid off has been walked to the door straight after being told - possibly there was a side trip to pick up anything personal - and the idea that they'd be training their replacement seems absurd. The only time I can see it working is when someone leaves a company for external reasons, such as changing location.
Not when he staffed Trump Casino with foreign and / or undocumented workers.
Come on, white bread, what is WRONG with you?
Vote republican, vote for the party of MORE H1-B
In 1989 George H. W. Bush (the establishment guy Reagan put on his ticket as VP to appease the money wing of the party who'd campaigned against him calling him a racist and a NAZI and a crazy cowboy they could NEVER support) took over from Reagan.Bush campaigned in 1988 as a guy who would be a "third Reagan term" (same trick Hillary is trying to play now relative to Obama). Bush, however, ushered-out all the Reaganites and plugged-in all the rich "our money, and meddling in other nations are all that matters" wing of the GOP. Theses Bush skunks and their acolytes have been running the GOP ever since and infest Fox news almost as badly as the former CNN employees there do. These Bushies are NOT the base of the GOP and NOT traditional Republicans; THEY are the "GOP establishment" that is in full-panic mode as they see themselves losing power.
Under Reagan, the nation had a huge powerful military FOR DETERRENCE. Under the Bushes (and Clintons and Obama) the US military is 1/3rd the size it was under Reagan and yet it is involved militarily in multiple wars that have no direct tie to our national security.
Under Reagan, the nation had trade policies that favored as much free trade as possible WITH ALLIES who had similar economic and political structures, yet Reagan was perfectly willing to apply tariffs as needed to protect middle class blue collar manufacturing workers from cheap third-world imports. Under the Bushes (who have ties to Arabs and China) and the Clintons (Who took illegal campaign cash from the Chinese army) and Obama, the rich investor class have gotten "free trade" treaty after treaty (NAFTA, GATT, the WTO, now they're pushing TPP...) and are doing NOTHING to defend the blue collar workers of the country.
Under Reagan, the US economy grew at about 7% and ALL income groups rose. Incomes for blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians, ALL went up. Unemployment rates went fro double-digit to record lows. Now in 2016, for the first time in many decades, the majority of Americans are no longer middle class. Under the Bushes and Obama and Clintons, the assets and incomes of the middle class have been stagnant or gone down. We have just completed 10 years without ANY economic growth above 3%.
Claiming a "good economy" under Clinton is not even valid; there was a massive investment bubble in the then-newfangled thing called "the internet" aided by a Federal Reserve bank that was pumping super=low interest money into the economy that setup a false good economy. That first big internet bubble popped during the 2000 election (Remember pets dot com????) and the nation was actually in recession while the votes were being cast in Nov 2000. The sad truth is that the investor class in America took firm control of BOTH parties in the immediate aftermath of the Cold War as they saw a green light to export manufacturing and technology to places it would never have been permitted to go during the Cold War - and the result is that NEITHER party has been looking out for US national security or the middle class since then. This has been bi-partisan treason and scumbaggery.
The modern GOP is indeed as economically toxic as the modern Socialist Democrat party. The modern Republican establishment would DESPISE Reagan now even more than they did in 1980 when they fought against him getting the nomination. The modern Democrat party today would DESPISE John F Kennedy, who NEVER took any positive position on anything gay, did not support abortion rights, opposed Marxism, supported a very strong military with a muscular nuclear component, etc.
Oh, and Fox News is NOT Republican - it is BUSHIST. Dana Perino was Bush's spokesperson. Carl Rove was to Bush what Valerie Jarret is to Obama (minus the Iranian heritage and Muslim faith). Brit Hume is a Bush family friend. Sean Hannity grew-up under the Bushie controlled party and worships the Bushies. Fox is tied to the money wing of the GOP like NBC/GE has been tied to the money wing of the Democrat party. The remaining Reaganites, who many consider the REAL Republicans, are few and far between on Fox. They very rarely have somebody from the Reagan era GOP and when they do it is only as a guest.
"welcome to the party, pal."
Although this isn't about racism, it's about exploitation, and its about finding someone cheaper no matter what. Ii's about not being loyal the the country that allowed you to become a billion dollar empire, it's about lies, and it's about the removal of empowerment from the people.
Didn't would have been just as happy to replace you with cheaper Americans.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Its actually either the consumers fault for wanting things cheaper (so they must go offshore), or the companies fault for wanting more profit.
Obama and his supporting army of social justice warriors have spent 7 years calling anybody who disagreed with the man's POLICIES or his unconstitutional power grabs (he's been swatted-down UNANIMOUSLY for violating the Constitution by the Supreme Court over 20 times) as "racists", "bigots", "homophobes", "greedy", "selfish" and a whole raft of expletives.
Obama's IRS went after his political enemies (Democrats filed impeachment papers on Nixon when they heard him TALK about doing this, even though HE never stooped so low as to actually do it). He has repeatedly violated laws he knew would outrage the base of the Republican party but that the gutless Mitch McConnell would never seek to enforce (like his illegal releases of Gitmo prisoners, which violate the plain-text of a law he himself signed that require congressional notices in advance of such releases). He has repeatedly floated/leaked things just to agitate his opponents, like the military practice for domestic operations (Constitutionally prohibited) with leaked maps for those exercises that designated areas well-known to be populated by Republicans as "terrorist zones" (completely in-your-face insulting), repeated leaks that he planned to give Gitmo back to Cuba (reminds Republicans of the previously worst President, Carter, giving away the Panama Canal), etc. He has gone after the gun rights of Americans at every opportunity, while providing Iran with a path to nukes in exchange for nothing - and then blasted anybody opposed as aligned with Iranian Mullahs. He has opened the nation's borders to a tidal wave of immigrants with no concern for national security, or public health and labelled anybody opposed as a bigot. This president has taken great pleasure in posing for official photos in which he is flipping-off the Republicans, as his aids snicker that its always "a mistake" or "inadvertent". The man's a full-on passive-aggressive narccisstic maniac who never skips the chance to be in-your-face offensive.
A very large component of Obama's actions seem designed to poke the base of the Republican party. The man could have done half of what he's done with little blowback and anger if he had chosen to compromise on various details, but he cut that off on day one when wishy-washy Republican Senators tried to negotiate with him in his first month in office and he said "I won, You lost". He knee-capped snivelling weaseles like Senator Lindsay Grahm who were eager to surrender to him on most of his agenda. He assured his friends in the senate that his refusal to negotiate with the GOP on anything would "Break the back of the Republican party" (Google it).
The modern political hate-fest goes back to the nomination of Robert Bork for the Supreme Court, which in which Democrats first made Supreme Court nominations, which had always been mere formalities, into toxic political political fights complete with outside groups running ads to assassinate the character of the nominee. Then, led by then-senator Joe Biden, the Democrats put the tactic on steroids for the nomination of Clarence Thomas. The Republicans NEVER did this to a Democrat nominee, not even to Obama's two ACLU member lawyers who are now on the Supreme Court. The base of the Republican party has never forgotten the Bork nomination or the Thomas nomination (their symbol is an elephant, after all) and now the era of Obama and his SJW supporters have pushed it all over the cliff... the Republican base no longer has a tolerance for its leaders "getting along with" Democrats while Democrats wage war against them. The Republican establishment will have no peace until it severely punishes the IRS for going after the TEA Party and actually secures the nation's southern border, undoing Obama's rampant illegality. There is now RAGE in the base of the GOP.
Systemd sucks
How dumb people can go? Trump resort in Palm Beach also "can't find" local workers no matter how many crowds of locals try to apply. They just import them from Romania.
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Not taking care to secure classified documents has always been illegal, and that laws clarifying that in relation to computers are recent would not give Clinton a legal loophole.
The pity is that Obama and the Clintons will escape the justice that reached the Rosenbergs for committing treason.
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If the party overrides the voters with Superdelegates, you can kiss the Democratic Party goodbye, as it will join the Whigs in the shitter. So, naturally, some people are hoping that happens, as the party pissed away it's chance to reform itself after the election of Obama. Now it's just another right wing mess like the GOP.
Your reply makes no sense to me, and as far as I can tell, fails to address my points.
Table-ized A.I.
Stop repeating what you hear the pro-Bernie camp spouting off, then, too.
A "Social Democrat" is a nonsense term, really. It's a name they coined for someone who believes the lie that you can mix socialism into a Democratic Republic and somehow not dilute it in the process.
People were perfectly content to label themselves Democrats while attempting to do this, and it's done nothing but weaken the principles the nation was founded on, in favor of a slow conversion to European style governance.
Slashdot is not typical US. Despite what you read here and watch on tv, things are pretty good
you say no country has done it, then you acknowlege that many european countries and several other wealthy countries have managed to combine a democratic government and a strong safety net. say what you will about the barely-contained chaos of the british parliamentary system, with bare knuckle politics and sometimes literal fights, the system is nominally functional (similar to ours) and is democratic.
if you're on this site often then you're likely a data driven realist (a nerd), not an ideologue. So wouldn't you want to compare two democratic countries to see which economic plans result in better outcomes? With regard to health care specifically, most european countries have:
* longer lifespans
* better quality of life
* lower per-capita health care costs
wouldn't you want to move our country's policies towards a system that has demonstrated better outcomes in other democractic ountries? at least explore such a system and see how it can be incorporated with our constitution and values? That seems like a common sense data-driven decision to me.
Not against a specific law that you're thinking of that was enacted after the fact, but against many others. Even if that weren't true, it was an abysmally terrible executive decision. Do you want someone who makes abysmally terrible executive decisions then lies about it to become the chief executive of the federal government?
If you meet anybody from India ask him, What Is Your Caste? You're doomed, if he answers it;
Caste system is quite simple to understand; If you're not from my caste, you're non-human to me; I can abuse/exploit/rape/kill you; Caste is present where ever Brahmin is there; We have petitioned US/UK to Expel Brahmin;
http://wh.gov/iyhMK
Casteism
I have had to train a replacement and been laid off 3 times over the last 10 years - it happens mainly at startups where once the company decides that it is either time to sell or go public and the books need to look more solvent. Truth is that it doesn't make a difference if you stop the visas or the offshoring - companies will adapt by vending or subcontracting -
You're bringing up only one aspect of what constitutes "quality of life" when you compare healthcare situations.
As I've repeatedly told people though? In the U.S. right now, a HUGE part of our health-care dilemma has simply not been addressed yet. The "Affordable Care Act" constituted a complex way to redistribute costs instead of finding solutions to actually reduce them. There are SO many improvements that could be made to the system that aren't being looked into.
Just off the top of my head, here are a few:
1. Allow the insurance companies to sell polices in all 50 states. There's no reason to complicate everything by limiting them to only operating in individual states.
2. Cut down on fraud! I can guarantee there's a massive amount of Medicare/Medicaid fraud going on, along with other misc. health insurance fraud, and not nearly enough being done about it. It's raising the rates on insuring all of us. (My wife worked for a firm, for a while, tasked with following up with people on Medicare to determine eligibility for renewal of services they were receiving. The state we lived in was backlogged 8 YEARS in these follow-ups! And they were regularly finding situations where people had died, but other family members continued to receive services under the dead person's name, like in-home assistance.)
3. Relax restrictions on ability to buy drugs from sources with the best prices, no matter where they're originally manufactured and sold. As soon as a drug becomes generic, it typically gets produced out of countries like India, and we have no problem with that. Yet if it's not a generic yet, the law grants a monopoly to the U.S. based pharmaceutical firm that created it and we get gouged on pricing for it (ostensibly because we can't trust the quality of what comes from other countries like India). I'd rather see the drug companies be free to license the manufacture of what they invent to any facility able to mass produce it, and introduce some real competition there.
4. Hospitals need to reconsider how they do business too. Not sure how much of this you can really do by "force of law" -- but it's good business practice for them to open lines of honest communication with patients. If a surgeon screws up a procedure, quit trying to protect him/her from litigation. Instead, call the patient ASAP and TELL them exactly what went wrong and why. Offer to refund all of their money for whatever was botched and offer a do-over or fix at no cost. The vast majority of people get that these procedures have certain levels of risk and would find that an acceptable compromise, vs. having to drag them into court and try to get big damage claims. This, in turn, would drive down costs for everyone involved.
OK, it sounds like we agree on looking at what works in other countries and seeing how to borrow it for us in a way that makes sense. Cool!
Regarding Obamacare waste, I would agree on some, but puush back on the following:
> Yet if it's not a generic yet, the law grants a monopoly to the U.S. based pharmaceutical firm that created it and we get gouged on pricing for it (ostensibly because we can't trust the quality of what comes from other countries like India). I'd rather see the drug companies be free to license the manufacture of what they invent to any facility able to mass produce it, and introduce some real competition there.
The monopoly exists so the drug companies can make some $$$! Has nothing to do with where the drug is manufactured. They have no interest in "introducing competition".
> If a surgeon screws up a procedure, quit trying to protect him/her from litigation. Instead, call the patient ASAP and TELL them exactly what went wrong and why. Offer to refund all of their money for whatever was botched and offer a do-over or fix at no cost. The vast majority of people get that these procedures have certain levels of risk and would find that an acceptable compromise, vs. having to drag them into court and try to get big damage claims.
what? surgery isn't an auto repair. If a surgery goes bad and you nearly die, the solution is not to re-do the surgery. that doesn't make everything better. The costs and pain of a botched surgery vastly exceed the cost of the surgery itself.