Actually, i just installed the source, and told dexter i had a matrox card, and it did everything. When i started up X the kernel auto-inserted the DRI module, and quake3 just magicaly worked(i've been using 3.3.6 with utah-glx).
The problem isn't with X, its with the device drivers. The support in X for the $20 video cards that almost everyone had back in the day of 486's suck hard. Noone wanted to write drivers, so the ones that did get written suck hard. On the other hand the companies that made the cards had to write drivers, to make their cards not seem like as much crap.
The G400 on the other hand is a card people are willing to work on, because it is a kick ass card(i own one, great for everything from quake3 to crystal clear 2D).
I'd have to say this makes more sense than anything i read in the orrigional post. I never saw that mentioned once(doesn't mean its not there, i miss alot of stuff).
It would have to be bacardi 151. The best way to take it is as "Flaming Dr. Pepper" I dunno why its called that... but you take a shot, light it on fire, and then drop it in a half full mug of beer(preferably coronna, but you can choose as you like). Then you chug.
The real trick, which is something linux needs anyways, is good auto-detection of sound cards and 3d hardware without ANY user interaction, none at all. The only requirement SHOULD be that you only support PCI cards, because all the information you need is right there. I would love to see some CD-Roms that played games, that could auto-detect the sound card, video card, and all those other things to just play the game.
Well, similar but not quite the same... VMS has versioned files which basicaly mean when you save a file, it gets to be one version higher than the last time you saved it. If you request a file without specifying the version you get the newest one. The downside is it keeps the entirety of each file i think.
Dont quote me on this though, just remembering some of the oddities i found when i received a VAX-4100, and tried to learn some stuff about VMS.
It should be noted that most web sites use alot of static data. Especialy the images. For every web page pulled, there are probably 3-4 images pulled too. Tux should speed up most any website, although some by not much.
So your saying that just because 10% of the readership was arround when this was last posted, that the other 90% that have never heard of it should be deprived? That doesn't make sense.
The/. readership isn't more in tune with the archives, the/. editorship just realizes that most of the people wern't arround that long, and wouldn't search for it(you dont go looking for things like this, you just see them and say "wow, cool")
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What i see being needed is the ability to have the video, and a codec on the CD. And have the player be able to load the codec. Obviously this would take so work from the manufacturers of DVD players though, so the same codec would work across all the different DVD players(which probably use different archictures? I dunno i'm guessin there)... i just think it would be a really cool idea.
Now i know that this has been discussed before, but i was just thinking. Wouldn't it be nice to run two seperate X sessions, with Windows(running through Win4Lin or something) running on one monitor, and X on the other? I think this is an amazing idea . . . Unfortunatly i dont use windows nearly enough for it to be usefull
No. What he is saying is that if he buys windows games, then the demographics say 'well, we sold enough windows ones that we dont need to do a linux port, they all play it slowly through wine.' Whereas if he buys linux games, then those demographics start showing the people do buy games for linux, and there is a market. If nobody buys linux games, there will never be more.
> it is weird (nice?) to have a shell running in a pretty window with glowing gel buttons on the title bar, tho.:) I don't understand this statement, you can have the EXACT same window look in linux. You can have the glowing gel buttons, inface there are even enlightenment themes that do this. Same for sawfish i beleive.
I'm thinking that for most information, besides position, what the person looks like, and what gun they are holding is the only information that the client absolutly needs to know about. This information(in most first person games) is going to be 3 int's for the position(xyz), and another 2 for looks and gun... that leaves 20 bytes of info... you could even assume it "needs" to know 3x more that... thats still 60bytes which will travel over a modem in 1/4 seccond... only the position would need to be hid for your example. I'm not sure what other information the clients would really need to have hidden from them(i'm still speaking from a first person game type thing though).. I just dont see there being that much information to hide, and therefor don't see the lag of keeping the information on other players hidden that big of a deal when it comes to resending it
Why even let your web browser know what your email address is? Its not necessary... most people dont even use their web browsers to send mail anyways(unless ie and outlook are so joined together... possibly)
http://www.rarcoa.com/~thebard/X11-perf-news.epl has some decent benchmarks... perhaps later on some XiG benchmarks and MetroX will be worked in there, but who knows.
> oh please, Linux thrashes SGI in scalability, reliability and more importantly Innovation. Well, I would like you to take a look at http://www.top500.org/lists/TOP500List.php3?Y=1999 &M=11... its a list of the top 500 supercomputers in the world(well, those rated, but its pretty complete). Notice that SGI and SGI/Cray(SGI bought cray) take numbers 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 13, 14, 18, 19, and 20. Thats pretty scalable... those machines range from 540 to 6144 processors... dont think linux scales there too well. > SGI lost, they are a dead company and have absolutely nothing to offer the linux community that we dont already have---ten times better. XFS anyone? linux so far has nothing even close to XFS, but we will, when SGI finishes porting XFS to linux and releasing it to the open source community...
SGI is still far ahead of linux in many catagories...
It is all good and well that these companys are releasing drivers, but are they releasing documentation too? As has been prooven by the TNT drivers from nVidia, having open source drivers with no documentation really limits the ammount of work that can be done to improve them by developers. So does anyone know, are spec's being released?
The Nvidia driver is nowhere near the best OpenGL driver for linux. a TNT2 gets massivly slow framerates because of its lack of using Direct Rendering, AGP, or any kind of DMA. This makes it INCREDIBLY slow, and the matrox drivers in comparison 'rock its world'
Many of their references are to magazines, unfortunatly I could probably find another magazine, that posted a story with the exact oposite responce. But howabout some of their real points? They discuss the 2G memory limit, which is actually a limit in the x86 architecture, the 4G is achieved by an ugly hack intel made. You want 4G of memory? use alpha. They mention that the swap file(partition) is limited to 128M. Now i might just be seeing me, but my swap partition is 200M, and its just one partition... They talk about 'free' operating system does not mean low TCO, when infact the free means the availability of source code to the user Microsoft says, 'Administrators cannot delegate administrative privileges'... Well funny me, but i beleive sudo allows you to delegate different administrative privlages to different accounts. Directly after that, the page says, 'Configuring Linux security requires an administrator to be an expert in the intricacies of the operating system and how components interact.' Now i dont have a chance to work with NT boxen too often, but i have heard far too many stories about NT being the exact same way Howabout 'Misconfigure any part of the operating system and the system could be vulnerable to attack.' If they mean that you can take advantage of the program, then at most that will get you regular user access, because most distributions dont run too many programs as suid root. And the last thing i'll notice.. 'This [tracking bugs] is made complex due to the fact that there isn't a central location for security issues to be reported and fixed.' I would suggest looking at the homepage of whatever distribution you have. Most of them, RH and Debian i know for sure, have some sort of bug tracking system, and have security updates about any problems found. In the case of redhat they work on fixing those security holes i beleive. There are some good points on that page of microsofts, but there are too many half truths, and misconceptions for me to take anything they have to say seriously.
Why would you beleive linux people ONLY want free software? Especialy in the games area? Loki has been INCREDIBLY successfull at selling games, i may be wrong, but i beleive loki has made a decent showing of money for the few ports they have done. Linux people have shown they are willing to buy games as much as the next person. For the most part people only refuse to use commercial stuff, if there is free stuff of similar, or even slightly lesser quality.
This just prooves the american economy is doing too well...when someone comes up with a scheme like this and they can afford to pay for it, its just gone too far...
And my atempt to get moderated down: (probbaly not) First Post!
Erik
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I dont claim to know everything about how this works, but from what i do understand, If the price is to go up instantaniously, then RH should be selling it at that price initialy. An IPO is designed to put money in RHAT's pockets first, and the investors seccond. Erik
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WINE: Wine Is Not an Emulator ... it is an implimentation of the win32 API.
Actually, i just installed the source, and told dexter i had a matrox card, and it did everything. When i started up X the kernel auto-inserted the DRI module, and quake3 just magicaly worked(i've been using 3.3.6 with utah-glx).
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I was amazed, and happy
The problem isn't with X, its with the device drivers. The support in X for the $20 video cards that almost everyone had back in the day of 486's suck hard. Noone wanted to write drivers, so the ones that did get written suck hard. On the other hand the companies that made the cards had to write drivers, to make their cards not seem like as much crap.
The G400 on the other hand is a card people are willing to work on, because it is a kick ass card(i own one, great for everything from quake3 to crystal clear 2D).
I'd have to say this makes more sense than anything i read in the orrigional post. I never saw that mentioned once(doesn't mean its not there, i miss alot of stuff).
It would have to be bacardi 151. The best way to take it is as "Flaming Dr. Pepper" I dunno why its called that ... but you take a shot, light it on fire, and then drop it in a half full mug of beer(preferably coronna, but you can choose as you like). Then you chug.
I dunno about fixed rpms, but just to brag a little ... debian fixed this bug in qt2.2 at least 2 weeks ago(in woody).
The real trick, which is something linux needs anyways, is good auto-detection of sound cards and 3d hardware without ANY user interaction, none at all. The only requirement SHOULD be that you only support PCI cards, because all the information you need is right there. I would love to see some CD-Roms that played games, that could auto-detect the sound card, video card, and all those other things to just play the game.
Well, similar but not quite the same ... VMS has versioned files which basicaly mean when you save a file, it gets to be one version higher than the last time you saved it. If you request a file without specifying the version you get the newest one. The downside is it keeps the entirety of each file i think.
Dont quote me on this though, just remembering some of the oddities i found when i received a VAX-4100, and tried to learn some stuff about VMS.
It should be noted that most web sites use alot of static data. Especialy the images. For every web page pulled, there are probably 3-4 images pulled too. Tux should speed up most any website, although some by not much.
So your saying that just because 10% of the readership was arround when this was last posted, that the other 90% that have never heard of it should be deprived? That doesn't make sense.
/. readership isn't more in tune with the archives, the /. editorship just realizes that most of the people wern't arround that long, and wouldn't search for it(you dont go looking for things like this, you just see them and say "wow, cool")
The
What i see being needed is the ability to have the video, and a codec on the CD. And have the player be able to load the codec. Obviously this would take so work from the manufacturers of DVD players though, so the same codec would work across all the different DVD players(which probably use different archictures? I dunno i'm guessin there) ... i just think it would be a really cool idea.
Now i know that this has been discussed before, but i was just thinking. Wouldn't it be nice to run two seperate X sessions, with Windows(running through Win4Lin or something) running on one monitor, and X on the other? I think this is an amazing idea . . . Unfortunatly i dont use windows nearly enough for it to be usefull
No. What he is saying is that if he buys windows games, then the demographics say 'well, we sold enough windows ones that we dont need to do a linux port, they all play it slowly through wine.' Whereas if he buys linux games, then those demographics start showing the people do buy games for linux, and there is a market. If nobody buys linux games, there will never be more.
> it is weird (nice?) to have a shell running in a pretty window with glowing gel buttons on the title bar, tho. :)
I don't understand this statement, you can have the EXACT same window look in linux. You can have the glowing gel buttons, inface there are even enlightenment themes that do this. Same for sawfish i beleive.
I'm thinking that for most information, besides position, what the person looks like, and what gun they are holding is the only information that the client absolutly needs to know about. This information(in most first person games) is going to be 3 int's for the position(xyz), and another 2 for looks and gun ... that leaves 20 bytes of info ... you could even assume it "needs" to know 3x more that ... thats still 60bytes which will travel over a modem in 1/4 seccond ... only the position would need to be hid for your example. .. I just dont see there being that much information to hide, and therefor don't see the lag of keeping the information on other players hidden that big of a deal when it comes to resending it
I'm not sure what other information the clients would really need to have hidden from them(i'm still speaking from a first person game type thing though)
Why even let your web browser know what your email address is? Its not necessary ... most people dont even use their web browsers to send mail anyways(unless ie and outlook are so joined together ... possibly)
Erik
http://www.rarcoa.com/~thebard/X11-perf-news.epl has some decent benchmarks ... perhaps later on some XiG benchmarks and MetroX will be worked in there, but who knows.
> oh please, Linux thrashes SGI in scalability, reliability and more importantly Innovation.9 &M=11 ... its a list of the top 500 supercomputers in the world(well, those rated, but its pretty complete). Notice that SGI and SGI/Cray(SGI bought cray) take numbers 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 13, 14, 18, 19, and 20. Thats pretty scalable ... those machines range from 540 to 6144 processors ... dont think linux scales there too well. ...
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Well, I would like you to take a look at http://www.top500.org/lists/TOP500List.php3?Y=199
> SGI lost, they are a dead company and have absolutely nothing to offer the linux community that we dont already have---ten times better.
XFS anyone? linux so far has nothing even close to XFS, but we will, when SGI finishes porting XFS to linux and releasing it to the open source community
SGI is still far ahead of linux in many catagories
Erik
I beleive the command is `apt-get dselect-upgrade` actualy, since you are using --set-selections
It is all good and well that these companys are releasing drivers, but are they releasing documentation too? As has been prooven by the TNT drivers from nVidia, having open source drivers with no documentation really limits the ammount of work that can be done to improve them by developers. So does anyone know, are spec's being released?
The Nvidia driver is nowhere near the best OpenGL driver for linux. a TNT2 gets massivly slow framerates because of its lack of using Direct Rendering, AGP, or any kind of DMA. This makes it INCREDIBLY slow, and the matrox drivers in comparison 'rock its world'
Many of their references are to magazines, unfortunatly I could probably find another magazine, that posted a story with the exact oposite responce. ... ... Well funny me, but i beleive sudo allows you to delegate different administrative privlages to different accounts. .. 'This [tracking bugs] is made complex due to the fact that there isn't a central location for security issues to be reported and fixed.' I would suggest looking at the homepage of whatever distribution you have. Most of them, RH and Debian i know for sure, have some sort of bug tracking system, and have security updates about any problems found. In the case of redhat they work on fixing those security holes i beleive.
But howabout some of their real points?
They discuss the 2G memory limit, which is actually a limit in the x86 architecture, the 4G is achieved by an ugly hack intel made. You want 4G of memory? use alpha.
They mention that the swap file(partition) is limited to 128M. Now i might just be seeing me, but my swap partition is 200M, and its just one partition
They talk about 'free' operating system does not mean low TCO, when infact the free means the availability of source code to the user
Microsoft says, 'Administrators cannot delegate administrative privileges'
Directly after that, the page says, 'Configuring Linux security requires an administrator to be an expert in the intricacies of the operating system and how components interact.' Now i dont have a chance to work with NT boxen too often, but i have heard far too many stories about NT being the exact same way
Howabout 'Misconfigure any part of the operating system and the system could be vulnerable to attack.' If they mean that you can take advantage of the program, then at most that will get you regular user access, because most distributions dont run too many programs as suid root.
And the last thing i'll notice
There are some good points on that page of microsofts, but there are too many half truths, and misconceptions for me to take anything they have to say seriously.
Why would you beleive linux people ONLY want free software? Especialy in the games area?
Loki has been INCREDIBLY successfull at selling games, i may be wrong, but i beleive loki has made a decent showing of money for the few ports they have done. Linux people have shown they are willing to buy games as much as the next person. For the most part people only refuse to use commercial stuff, if there is free stuff of similar, or even slightly lesser quality.
Erik
This just prooves the american economy is doing too well...when someone comes up with a scheme like this and they can afford to pay for it, its just gone too far...
And my atempt to get moderated down: (probbaly not) First Post!
Erik
I dont claim to know everything about how this works, but from what i do understand, If the price is to go up instantaniously, then RH should be selling it at that price initialy. An IPO is designed to put money in RHAT's pockets first, and the investors seccond.
Erik