And that would be to dissasemble the code, they have the roms, emulators exist, someone out there is capable of doing this.
It would be very interesting, though most likely not legal!
As for my point on their argument, anybody whos played fruites enough and has some ammount of inteligence knows that the machines cheat anyway, but they still play them. Why? Because it's a different game they are playing! You can obviously actually win money from these machines and knowing how they operate is half of the battle.
Plus they are meant for fun. AWP = Amusemenyts with prizes, they have no guarantee on gambling because they are not gambling machines they are for amusement only. The prizes are just a bonus.
However this only applies to the £20 machines (or is it £25 now, can't remember) The CLUB machines - £300 jackpot are goverent under different lawsd.
> Not exactly, the user accounts dialog retains it's stupid dumbed down XP look and the shares still remain "simple". You can alter a registry setting to use 2000 style shares of course, but that's not so well known.
Or just untick the "use simple file sharing" option in folder options and never go near the registry.
but still this is pretty irrelivent, I spose the point was it's not obvious to the casual user how to get back to the old was etc.
You abvoisuly we're not around for the p90. 2 GB HD were mostly dreat of!
However you also havn't viited "junk trader's" recently either.
It's 166/200mhz / 2gb/64 mb that is the most prevelent junk at the moment. And probably more likely to run any of the free office packages at a usable speed than the 90 would. (p90 / 16mb / 1gb. nah!)
Whoa! Lot's to take in there;-) let's take a stab at some of the points at random!
> With movies, the cost of production is still a big factor. We still require physical distribution and thus have a limited number of players.
I was of the belief that most movies go into profit while still at the cinema, thus making DVD profits a bonus and thus the price of DVDs seem inflated. In fact it also seems the more profit they make at the cinema the more they want to charge you for the DVD on first release (though I do admit that soon drops).
DVD extras admittedly do cost but to many arn't worth it. In such cases they won't produce a cheaper disk without extras because they know too many people will buy it;-) And some of the so called extras I have seen are very poor efforts, and obviously done on the cheap and do not jusfity the price.
In some areas they are getting it right though, a lot of older films make there way to DVD at rock bottom prices like £5, obviously without extras etc (maybe a trailer if you're lucky!) This represents good value and makes the consumer happy!
> Finally, I want to own the CD and or DVD. I would much rather put my dollars toward something I have an interest in and control of.
I argree here but also disagree! DVD's yes (space is still an issue here) CDs no. I do not use them, on the rare occasions that I buy them they are ripped and they shoved in storage. Yes I want control which is why ANY drm will fail for me. I want control to re-encode to any format I like, so I can listen whrerevere. The music industry seems unlikely (to say the least) to so this anytime soon. $0.99 a track would be perfectly reasonable to me as long as it is of a decent quality and with NO restrictions on the track (hey!,"trust me I am PAYING"). Unfortunatly if the $0.99 turns into £1 when it reaches over here (as seems to usually be the case of the funnt exchange rate!) then unforunatly I will not be interested.
They wont accept no restrictions as that would likely stop them selling you the same music 10 times, and that is really what they want to do.
> It costs more all around because what is happening to music right now has not happened to movies yet.
I would beg to differ, It is happening to movies right now and they don't want to admit it. Points. a. Price of DVDR and easy to use software to back up full disks have put DVD piracy though the roof. Even here at work there is a guy (and not even a geek-type) who does copies of DVD's for £5. And yes the quality of a DVD9->DVD5 copy is somewhat reduced but guess what? To the ordinary folk in the office here they can't even tell the difference. And after a nice cover print and label it is good enough for any of them.
b. Movie trading online is nearly just as prolific as music trading. Maybe not in DVD images yet (but that is really on the rise) but even my mates girlfriend downloads films of the p2p networks (with her machine ohh so full of spyware;-) ).
Anyway back to RIAA;-)
> Consider another movie like 'Brazil'.
I must consider going and purchasing a copy to replace my VHS, Love it and must watch it soon Anyway...;-)
> The music people don't get this to the same degree. Shallow Bubble gum pop boy bands cost the same as well thought out albums with good stories and continuity. Why is that? (Britney vs Dire Straits "love over gold" or Saga "Worlds apart" (Your tastes may vary, but you get the idea.)
I don't think they "don't get it" but rather that they are too scared to change the operation of there entire industry thus opening them to the simple fact that they are not in control amymore and may in fact lose out as the new battle for control is raged.
I don't really blame them for this, I would probably feel the same way from there perspective, however there will come a time when they have to change, ll they are tr
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> Everyone knows a DVD is better than a CD in general, so how come the CD is still so expensive?
I've seen this train of thought brandished around every time something of this nature crops up and I still don't get it.
Music has a much higher replay value that that of a Movie. I mean for the average person how many time do you want to watch a movie? Music on the other hand is listened to many times, and is often also put on in the background.
So please help me out and justify this reasoning.
Myself I havn't bought a CD in years but not for this reason, I also think that DVD's are massively overpriced.
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Good.
Let's do it and while were at it introduce the death penalty for giving wrong change. This will help weed out the useless element of society.
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Yeah people are stupid and don't think. She expected $4 from you and gave change accordingly. Pretty much like half the time they give you coke when you order fanta, because that's what they ecpected you to order.
But then your not arguing the point wont help imporve things will it. Next time try carrying something like an alarm and using it when people are dense. They sure need waking up;-)
>There are no copyright issues for me to go into a gallery and make a sketch of a rembrandt picture, so why should there be for lossy copies of original recordings.
Yes but they might get a bit iffy with if you were to rip it off the wall and try to photocopy it.
Nice try but no star, try for a better ananlagy next time.
The "ripping" time is nothing to do with the codec, only the "encoding" time.
The process is Rip/Encode
Even the all in one solution do that in the basckground for you.
Maybe your CD-Rom is shit as audio extraction, lot's are.
As for the encoding it takes around a minute per track to encode to vorbis on my machine (2200xp).
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The only sane option, and one which is becoming increasingly viable (cost / storage etc) is having a pda, pda's will run any software by their nature and there are now able to provide enough power and storage to become your portable music player, all you then need is a line in on your car radio and your happy.
And them you can play all your music whatever the format! (remeber a lot of "players" put restrictions on bitrate / vbr)
It would be a lab cliaming right over something just because you discovered it there.
All you are doing is donating CPU time, and your only reward is the knowledge of doing a good thing (unless a particular project decides to give you more as an incentive)
It's logical progression (fork) of the NT codebase so it includes the XP improvements.
And yes they still have those nice corperate activation codes that bypass the horrible stuff.
Seems stupid to me though, putting the activation in a SERVER product. I mean anyone stup[id enough to use a MS server product would need support for it right? Or did I miss the point where all the kiddies wanted to run Server OS's?
(actually you can turn it into a desktop os if you fiddles around for ages and edit stuff (start all the services, and activate directx etc) but unless someone made a tool to do it, it's really too much effort)
> It's the reason why I just use VNC to get to my Windows machine
Isn't that also something microsoft has been moaning about, in that when vnc'ing to a windows os tht you need 2 windows licences, 1 for the "windows" machine and 1 for the machine that vnc is running on (ie for you linux box!) Dunno what happened there, i'm sure it was introduced (licence change) in xp and a win 2000 service pack.
Ho hum, licenses suck! In fact pretty much everything that tells you you can't do sucks, but that doesn;t mean letting you do what you want would work either, unfortunatly people want to make money, and restricting others is a good way to do that,
hmmmm:
Patent application:
For a method of creating revenue by restricting the rights of others.
Try getting a clue before posting, wait no, then no-one would post;-) (smiley added to indicate the obvious to the stupid people & americans (;-) ditto))
I argee, this is indeed what they are trying to do. However it will only work if people are stupid.
For instance. If I were to say "I am going to cut of all of you limbs" for a few weeks and then say "OK, OK, just your legs" does not mean that anyone with an iq over 7 will think I have given them a good proposition.
More than likely what they'll do is heavily promote the fact they have dropped the nasty ideas, and try to push the nearly as nasty ideas though without people noticing.
So what we really need to do is keep a very close eye on what they are doing, even when we think we have won.
Do not underestimate them, this is why they do not want just DRM control but complete control of computers. What they are ultimatly after is control over what you can run on your computer. ie. They have to sign everything. Then you can not do what you want, and for the few capable of making there own computer and using it, they want that made ilegal.
In any war it it first best to know what your enemy actually wants.
Yes you are 15, therefore whether you like it or not your opinion on this does not count
(note to morons, I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with the point in question here, or the view taken, merely on the respondants (probably) inability to make a reasoned argument, yes it's an age thing I remeber when I was 15, I would not trust that persons decisions, more so I would not trust the 25 year old me, but then with age comes wisdom) (look stop it whatever you are thinking you are gaining the wrong impressio) (anyway on with the comment...)
however I am now nearing 30 and can tell you that 99% of people are in fact stupid, one day you too will learn this.
Plus I also have to point out the conflict beetween your title and the first sentence.
> This is all overgeneralising, us Europeans (i'm in the UK btw) play FPS games as well as the US, but the reason there are no high school shootings here is because you can't get guns.
This to me says you think it IS LOCATION NOT STUPIDITY, which you then claim the opposite in the next sentence.
UK eh, me too! Every notice though that scottish people come fomr scotland, welsh people come from wales, irish people come from (n) ireland, but british people come from the UK (not england). Seems predjudice to me. (In a non important silly sort of way)
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And that would be to dissasemble the code, they have the roms, emulators exist, someone out there is capable of doing this.
It would be very interesting, though most likely not legal!
As for my point on their argument, anybody whos played fruites enough and has some ammount of inteligence knows that the machines cheat anyway, but they still play them. Why? Because it's a different game they are playing! You can obviously actually win money from these machines and knowing how they operate is half of the battle.
Plus they are meant for fun. AWP = Amusemenyts with prizes, they have no guarantee on gambling because they are not gambling machines they are for amusement only. The prizes are just a bonus.
However this only applies to the £20 machines (or is it £25 now, can't remember) The CLUB machines - £300 jackpot are goverent under different lawsd.
> Not exactly, the user accounts dialog retains it's stupid dumbed down XP look and the shares still remain "simple". You can alter a registry setting to use 2000 style shares of course, but that's not so well known.
Or just untick the "use simple file sharing" option in folder options and never go near the registry.
but still this is pretty irrelivent, I spose the point was it's not obvious to the casual user how to get back to the old was etc.
> 90MHz Pentium with 2GB
/64 mb that is the most prevelent junk at the moment. And probably more likely to run any of the free office packages at a usable speed than the 90 would. (p90 / 16mb / 1gb. nah!)
You abvoisuly we're not around for the p90. 2 GB HD were mostly dreat of!
However you also havn't viited "junk trader's" recently either.
It's 166/200mhz / 2gb
> Now of course you can change back to the older style GUI in XP, however things are still slightly different even after you have done that.
depends how you make the change!
If you swap to the classic windows then or whatever they call it then yes things are still different.
Instead if you disable the themes service then things are exactly like win 2000, 2003 server , etc...
Though I'll admit most people don't poke around disableing services do they!
Whoa! Lot's to take in there ;-) let's take a stab at some of the points at random!
;-) And some of the so called extras I have seen are very poor efforts, and obviously done on the cheap and do not jusfity the price.
;-) ).
;-)
;-)
> With movies, the cost of production is still a big factor. We still require physical distribution and thus have a limited number of players.
I was of the belief that most movies go into profit while still at the cinema, thus making DVD profits a bonus and thus the price of DVDs seem inflated. In fact it also seems the more profit they make at the cinema the more they want to charge you for the DVD on first release (though I do admit that soon drops).
DVD extras admittedly do cost but to many arn't worth it. In such cases they won't produce a cheaper disk without extras because they know too many people will buy it
In some areas they are getting it right though, a lot of older films make there way to DVD at rock bottom prices like £5, obviously without extras etc (maybe a trailer if you're lucky!) This represents good value and makes the consumer happy!
> Finally, I want to own the CD and or DVD. I would much rather put my dollars toward something I have an interest in and control of.
I argree here but also disagree! DVD's yes (space is still an issue here) CDs no. I do not use them, on the rare occasions that I buy them they are ripped and they shoved in storage. Yes I want control which is why ANY drm will fail for me. I want control to re-encode to any format I like, so I can listen whrerevere. The music industry seems unlikely (to say the least) to so this anytime soon. $0.99 a track would be perfectly reasonable to me as long as it is of a decent quality and with NO restrictions on the track (hey!,"trust me I am PAYING"). Unfortunatly if the $0.99 turns into £1 when it reaches over here (as seems to usually be the case of the funnt exchange rate!) then unforunatly I will not be interested.
They wont accept no restrictions as that would likely stop them selling you the same music 10 times, and that is really what they want to do.
> It costs more all around because what is happening to music right now has not happened to movies yet.
I would beg to differ, It is happening to movies right now and they don't want to admit it.
Points.
a. Price of DVDR and easy to use software to back up full disks have put DVD piracy though the roof. Even here at work there is a guy (and not even a geek-type) who does copies of DVD's for £5. And yes the quality of a DVD9->DVD5 copy is somewhat reduced but guess what? To the ordinary folk in the office here they can't even tell the difference. And after a nice cover print and label it is good enough for any of them.
b. Movie trading online is nearly just as prolific as music trading. Maybe not in DVD images yet (but that is really on the rise) but even my mates girlfriend downloads films of the p2p networks (with her machine ohh so full of spyware
Anyway back to RIAA
> Consider another movie like 'Brazil'.
I must consider going and purchasing a copy to replace my VHS, Love it and must watch it soon Anyway...
> The music people don't get this to the same degree. Shallow Bubble gum pop boy bands cost the same as well thought out albums with good stories and continuity. Why is that? (Britney vs Dire Straits "love over gold" or Saga "Worlds apart" (Your tastes may vary, but you get the idea.)
I don't think they "don't get it" but rather that they are too scared to change the operation of there entire industry thus opening them to the simple fact that they are not in control amymore and may in fact lose out as the new battle for control is raged.
I don't really blame them for this, I would probably feel the same way from there perspective, however there will come a time when they have to change, ll they are tr
> Everyone knows a DVD is better than a CD in general, so how come the CD is still so expensive?
I've seen this train of thought brandished around every time something of this nature crops up and I still don't get it.
Music has a much higher replay value that that of a Movie. I mean for the average person how many time do you want to watch a movie? Music on the other hand is listened to many times, and is often also put on in the background.
So please help me out and justify this reasoning.
Myself I havn't bought a CD in years but not for this reason, I also think that DVD's are massively overpriced.
Good.
Let's do it and while were at it introduce the death penalty for giving wrong change. This will help weed out the useless element of society.
Yeah people are stupid and don't think.
;-)
She expected $4 from you and gave change accordingly. Pretty much like half the time they give you coke when you order fanta, because that's what they ecpected you to order.
But then your not arguing the point wont help imporve things will it. Next time try carrying something like an alarm and using it when people are dense. They sure need waking up
Those damn flyers that alaways fall out of ever magazine you buy.
Or is that the same patent? pretty much i'd think,
but oooh it's obviously different on the net!
> Who's to say that the VOD that gets implemented doesn't allow you to watch it as many times as you like after you've paid for it?
The laws of marketing are. Unless of course you are prepared to pay say $100 per film, then the companys might be interested in doing such a thing.
>There are no copyright issues for me to go into a gallery and make a sketch of a rembrandt picture, so why should there be for lossy copies of original recordings.
Yes but they might get a bit iffy with if you were to rip it off the wall and try to photocopy it.
Nice try but no star, try for a better ananlagy next time.
This is soooooooooo true,
Usenet is like bad karma to most people these days.
In fact also the binaries groups seems to be mostly relevant as well (well the binaries are)
Most of my warez hungry "friends" never use nntp anymore, nntp is good.
As people say ignore the morons they will go away.
and would that be:
;-)
alt.spam.uk
in which spam is wanted
The "ripping" time is nothing to do with the codec, only the "encoding" time.
The process is Rip/Encode
Even the all in one solution do that in the basckground for you.
Maybe your CD-Rom is shit as audio extraction, lot's are.
As for the encoding it takes around a minute per track to encode to vorbis on my machine (2200xp).
The only sane option, and one which is becoming increasingly viable (cost / storage etc) is having a pda, pda's will run any software by their nature and there are now able to provide enough power and storage to become your portable music player, all you then need is a line in on your car radio and your happy.
And them you can play all your music whatever the format! (remeber a lot of "players" put restrictions on bitrate / vbr)
Exactly how would that be your discovery.
It would be a lab cliaming right over something just because you discovered it there.
All you are doing is donating CPU time, and your only reward is the knowledge of doing a good thing (unless a particular project decides to give you more as an incentive)
Bah some people.
Of course it has activation!
It's logical progression (fork) of the NT codebase so it includes the XP improvements.
And yes they still have those nice corperate activation codes that bypass the horrible stuff.
Seems stupid to me though, putting the activation in a SERVER product. I mean anyone stup[id enough to use a MS server product would need support for it right? Or did I miss the point where all the kiddies wanted to run Server OS's?
(actually you can turn it into a desktop os if you fiddles around for ages and edit stuff (start all the services, and activate directx etc) but unless someone made a tool to do it, it's really too much effort)
> It's the reason why I just use VNC to get to my Windows machine
;-)
Isn't that also something microsoft has been moaning about, in that when vnc'ing to a windows os tht you need 2 windows licences, 1 for the "windows" machine and 1 for the machine that vnc is running on (ie for you linux box!) Dunno what happened there, i'm sure it was introduced (licence change) in xp and a win 2000 service pack.
Ho hum, licenses suck! In fact pretty much everything that tells you you can't do sucks, but that doesn;t mean letting you do what you want would work either, unfortunatly people want to make money, and restricting others is a good way to do that,
hmmmm:
Patent application:
For a method of creating revenue by restricting the rights of others.
MONEY!!!!
TCPA is not just about drm you know.
;-) (smiley added to indicate the obvious to the stupid people & americans ( ;-) ditto))
Try getting a clue before posting, wait no, then no-one would post
I once saw a folder heirarchy ike that, had porn right at the end though....
Sony do let people run linux on pS2 OFFICIALLY you know, you do know that don't you?
/eur)
see:
http://www.ps2linux.com/ (jap)
or:
http://playstation2-linux.com/ (us
for more info.
bah some people.
I argee, this is indeed what they are trying to do. However it will only work if people are stupid.
For instance. If I were to say "I am going to cut of all of you limbs" for a few weeks and then say "OK, OK, just your legs" does not mean that anyone with an iq over 7 will think I have given them a good proposition.
More than likely what they'll do is heavily promote the fact they have dropped the nasty ideas, and try to push the nearly as nasty ideas though without people noticing.
So what we really need to do is keep a very close eye on what they are doing, even when we think we have won.
Possibly, and I do hope it does, however one thing is different now.
The technology actually exists to make it possible to do what they want.
In fact as I recall certain laws were passed which at the time had no feasable way on being enforced.
The reason these laws passed was because there was no fasable way of enforcing them.
However now they can, and this could mean it may be already too late unless people (the common man as it were) realise what could happen.
They DO know this you know.
Do not underestimate them, this is why they do not want just DRM control but complete control of computers. What they are ultimatly after is control over what you can run on your computer. ie. They have to sign everything. Then you can not do what you want, and for the few capable of making there own computer and using it, they want that made ilegal.
In any war it it first best to know what your enemy actually wants.
Yes you are 15, therefore whether you like it or not your opinion on this does not count
(note to morons, I am neither agreeing nor disagreeing with the point in question here, or the view taken, merely on the respondants (probably) inability to make a reasoned argument, yes it's an age thing I remeber when I was 15, I would not trust that persons decisions, more so I would not trust the 25 year old me, but then with age comes wisdom) (look stop it whatever you are thinking you are gaining the wrong impressio) (anyway on with the comment...)
however I am now nearing 30 and can tell you that 99% of people are in fact stupid, one day you too will learn this.
Plus I also have to point out the conflict beetween your title and the first sentence.
> This is all overgeneralising, us Europeans (i'm in the UK btw) play FPS games as well as the US, but the reason there are no high school shootings here is because you can't get guns.
This to me says you think it IS LOCATION NOT STUPIDITY, which you then claim the opposite in the next sentence.
UK eh, me too! Every notice though that scottish people come fomr scotland, welsh people come from wales, irish people come from (n) ireland, but british people come from the UK (not england). Seems predjudice to me. (In a non important silly sort of way)