Interesting that they removed the key in their source, but included it in the binaries.
Kinda like: "Here are the plans to build a nuclear bomb, but we took out the part about where to get plutonium. But if you want one pre-made with plutonium ready to go, we can hook you up with that, too."
Isn't this whole thing just a matter of time and programmer determination anyway?
Behind me over my left shoulder sits a NuBus based Power Mac 7100/80. Nothing Unix-like runs on it but MkLinux, as far as I've been able to determine, and that just doesn't seem like it's worth it.
"Of course it runs NetBSD (unless it's a Power Mac 7100/80)"
But what if NVIDIA tomorrow does an "ID Software" and says that they won't support Linux in the future, due to that niche being to small?
This is a misleading statement. id said they wouldn't provide a separate Linux-only CD-ROM for purchase at your local software outlet. They'll still be supporting Linux through downloadable binaries. And if you think your Q3TA CD will be good for anything besides reinstalling graphics and models after the first patch to the binaries, you should think again.
Sure, nVidia should allow open source developers to see specs on their hardware so free like speech drivers can be developed. You have a great point with a non-great example.
Well, Napster could provide some sort of "opt-out" service that would prevent their servers from allowing requests which include $string1 in the artist field and $string2 in the title field, where $string1 is a trademarked band name and $string2 is a copyrighted song title. You own the trademark, you're responsible for policing it, and if Napster made it simple to do so, you'd see tons of copyrighted material disappear nearly instantly.
I'm not saying it's a good idea, or that I'd want it, but they do have some technical things they could do if they really had to. The simple thought above would really suck in practice, of course, because $string1=tolower("Dre") and $string2=tolower("Day") would eliminate lots of potential free (beer) music that the artists would love to have traded on Napster.
If you are using Linux (or FreeBSD, or whatever) for a reason other than Open Source you are either stupid or deluding yourself.
I'm neither stupid nor delusional, but I use a lot of Open Source software because it's better than Proprietary alternatives, or because it's free-as-in-beer, or because it's fun to use.
The fact that lots of brilliant people can get together and make something great is a feel-good bonus for me, but it's not always my primary reason for being a user of their software. And you're being idealist and a little snobby if you suggest that it should be otherwise.
"Mass-market" people don't care if it's Linux, BSD/Mach (Mac OS X), NT, or a bowl of grits underneath.
They are interested in having these things:
The computer should not crash seconds before I was going to save that thesis/receipe/love note.
The computer should provide fast Internet connectivity which supports the newest neat-o new web things without a lot of (or any) cumbersome setup nonsense.
The computer should help me when I want help and get the hell out of my way when I don't.
I should be able to get interesting and helpful applications for my computer that allow me do something I have to do anyway in an easier or more powerful way (e.g. balancing the checkbook.)
I should also be able to get interesting and helpful applications for my computer that allow me do something that I would never have even thought about doing if I didn't have a computer (e.g. compose music, learn French, design my new house.)
The computer should not require me to learn a bunch of bullshit if it breaks just so I can get it working again. My TV doesn't require me to learn about CRTs, and my phone doesn't require me to know anything about the CO. It should either never break (yeah right) or be easily fixed, maybe even over a network so I don't have to take it anywhere.
The computer should be cheap, because I have other things to spend money on.
Linux and all the associated things you find in a typical distribution demonstrate potential for solving these problems, but they don't right now. Maybe Nautilus is a step in the right direction, maybe not. At least someone's trying to appeal directly to the audience described above from the window manager side of things. My Linux desktop could certainly benefit from an added sense of coherency.
As a computer guy, I want mass-market acceptance of Linux strictly because it will create more jobs for the tech savvy people, it will create tons more commercial developer interest (no OSS bigots need respond; I know already), and it will move control of the computer industry away from That Corporation in Redmond and more towards the rest of us.
Hackers will always be able to do whatever they want with their OS, just like they always have. With Linux, they can do a lot. But everyone's proverbial grandma shouldn't have to do anything other than lay down some $ to get the computing environment outlined above. And we shouldn't try to prevent that.
Why are hackers so afraid of there being a Super Easy Linux Distro? Nothing about your distribution changes if one is developed and achieves mass-market acceptance. Nothing! Plus you now have a big installed base to develop really interesting apps for, or to support, or to benefit indirectly from by virtue of sheer numbers.
I've seen way too many monstrous Linux desktop screenshots to think of Linux as a home to "quiet, neutral [desktop] environment(s)."
As a professional, you can switch right now to whatever desktop environment you like. Just be sure your professional apps will run once you get there.
Aqua isn't "insulting." And you've never used it to do any work, so you can't really say what it's like. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want 3" square icons, but I'm also pretty sure that they're not mandatory. Think Demo.
I bet getting involved with Eazel's project is as simple as clicking.
Rather than trying your experiment, I think I'd just donate that 486 piece of garbage to a nice non-profit that needs to use WP 5.1a for DOS and get a new computer.
Amazingly, I use a modern computer to run modern software.
Amazingly, the company that has put more time, people, money, etc. into the latest release of browser has a better product for the two mainstream desktop platforms (Windows & MacOS). Guess which company that is?
...goes your hand on your forehead, as you re-read what you replied to.
RC-64 is losing CPU time while some dnetc clients are working CSC. Another week (or more???) of lost CPU time to CSC means fewer cycles for RC-64. Once CSC is over, the clients which continue to operate will be working RC-64 again. Everyone thought that would happen last week, but nope.
Therefore, RC-64 is hurt by the extension of the CSC project.
I'm not wanting to dis Mr. Schultz directly, but aren't we all sick of this nonsensical corporate double-speak?
Does this sound like an apology to you? If you broke the cookie jar, and you told your mom that you had an apologetic stance towards the event, do you think she'd buy it?
Corporations should be capable of saying, "Know what? We did a shitty thing, we admit it, and we'd like to publicly apologize to the people we've hurt."
Guess that's only for televangelists and politicians, and even then, only after they've been caught.
I refuse to run Win98 on my dual P3 450 machine. It might run games a billion times better, but it doesn't matter:
I have two CPUs, I want them both working
I like being able to use ALT-TAB when I'm playing a game and have it work (nearly) every time
I like to do other things besides play games
I don't have any fancy new [USB|IrDA|PC Card|FireWire|BlahIckPoo] devices which need a "consumer OS"
That said, my soundcard works approximately 3% of the time under Windows NT 4 when playing Q3A and Unreal Tournament, though it's fine with Half-Life and its mods. It's a Diamond Monster Sound MX300, with an Aureal AU8830 chipset that has "known issues under NT SMP configurations."
Why? Aureal doesn't consider NT SMP a mainstream gaming platform, so I am apparently invited to Go Screw Myself.
W2K is supposed to fix a lot of this and should make NT a better gaming environment, but looks like we'll have to wait until the millennium (by popular reckoning) to get something out of Microsoft. Unless the Millennium gets in the way.
I made a Q2 map once that had three "jump pads". It was really easy, and didn't require any code changes. Too bad I don't remember how, I'm sure it'll be useful to me one day.
Maybe you haven't noticed the curved surfaces in Q3A? This is a "new feature."
"It's just a lot slower than a Voodoo3 or G200/G400."
And a lot slower than me just running Q3A with my TNT2 Ultra under Windows NT.
It's really a shame that NT (largely neglected by the game industry) is a more robust gaming platform than Linux. Win98 shouldn't be held up as the target for Linux gaming advancements; there are too many compromises (which we are all aware of) that allow Win98 to be fast, support a lot of hardware and software, and totally suck as a modern OS.
The game industry seems uninterested in supporting Windows NT 4. Time will tell with Windows 2000. The Mac has serious challenges in this market as well. How can Linux be established as a viable platform in this environment?
Serious question. I'd like to know how people see this working.
I understand that there are a number of OS components involved in sending Internet e-mail, but it's not like they teleported a tangerine to Pluto. It's just e-mail.
And how does this indicate that "Solaris...is ready for the Itanium processor"? Unless you want to send a few e-mails, which most of us can do just fine with a non-Itanium processor...
Technology milestones are great, but I don't see that this means that I should plan on running my business (or anything else, necessarily) on Solaris IA-64.
But what was the last revolutionary software product to come out first on the Mac platform?
Studio Vision Pro, still not available on Windows. Maybe not the "last" product, but certainly a major reason that more pro audio facilities have Macs and not PCs in the booth.
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Interesting that they removed the key in their source, but included it in the binaries.
Kinda like: "Here are the plans to build a nuclear bomb, but we took out the part about where to get plutonium. But if you want one pre-made with plutonium ready to go, we can hook you up with that, too."
Isn't this whole thing just a matter of time and programmer determination anyway?
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Yeah, but with Mac OS X, the Mac is like the Mac, only with a powerful command prompt and reasonably easy access to ported Unix software.
Only runs on plastic see thru hardware, but still...
So where does one get an eCS demo disk? Looked quickly, but didn't see anything at the indelible-blue site or at ecomstation.com.
Behind me over my left shoulder sits a NuBus based Power Mac 7100/80. Nothing Unix-like runs on it but MkLinux, as far as I've been able to determine, and that just doesn't seem like it's worth it.
"Of course it runs NetBSD (unless it's a Power Mac 7100/80)"
Ugh.
Wait a second...
This is a misleading statement. id said they wouldn't provide a separate Linux-only CD-ROM for purchase at your local software outlet. They'll still be supporting Linux through downloadable binaries. And if you think your Q3TA CD will be good for anything besides reinstalling graphics and models after the first patch to the binaries, you should think again.
Sure, nVidia should allow open source developers to see specs on their hardware so free like speech drivers can be developed. You have a great point with a non-great example.
Yeah, but that's different than "Doom III" -- which was my point.
Not that it matters...
id didn't announce anything. johnc@idsoftware.com updated his .plan file. That's all.
.plan; it's not there.
Grep for "Doom III" in the
Too bad there's dirty laundry to air, and really too bad that we air it under yet another totally inaccurate title on the Slashdot article.
*sigh*
I agree with the previous poster that Quake II feels like Doom III...always seemed obvious to me.
http://slashdot.org/articles/99 /01/03/1950227.shtml
http://slashdot.org/articles/98 /12/11/2338244.shtml
Well, Napster could provide some sort of "opt-out" service that would prevent their servers from allowing requests which include $string1 in the artist field and $string2 in the title field, where $string1 is a trademarked band name and $string2 is a copyrighted song title. You own the trademark, you're responsible for policing it, and if Napster made it simple to do so, you'd see tons of copyrighted material disappear nearly instantly.
I'm not saying it's a good idea, or that I'd want it, but they do have some technical things they could do if they really had to. The simple thought above would really suck in practice, of course, because $string1=tolower("Dre") and $string2=tolower("Day") would eliminate lots of potential free (beer) music that the artists would love to have traded on Napster.
Oh well, just a thought...
If you are using Linux (or FreeBSD, or whatever) for a reason other than Open Source you are either stupid or deluding yourself.
I'm neither stupid nor delusional, but I use a lot of Open Source software because it's better than Proprietary alternatives, or because it's free-as-in-beer, or because it's fun to use.
The fact that lots of brilliant people can get together and make something great is a feel-good bonus for me, but it's not always my primary reason for being a user of their software. And you're being idealist and a little snobby if you suggest that it should be otherwise.
IMO.
jm
You may add the Voodoo Rush to that. When the Voodoo 2 came out, 3dfx acted like the Rush never happened. My opinion only.
jm
"Mass-market" people don't care if it's Linux, BSD/Mach (Mac OS X), NT, or a bowl of grits underneath.
They are interested in having these things:
Linux and all the associated things you find in a typical distribution demonstrate potential for solving these problems, but they don't right now. Maybe Nautilus is a step in the right direction, maybe not. At least someone's trying to appeal directly to the audience described above from the window manager side of things. My Linux desktop could certainly benefit from an added sense of coherency.
As a computer guy, I want mass-market acceptance of Linux strictly because it will create more jobs for the tech savvy people, it will create tons more commercial developer interest (no OSS bigots need respond; I know already), and it will move control of the computer industry away from That Corporation in Redmond and more towards the rest of us.
Hackers will always be able to do whatever they want with their OS, just like they always have. With Linux, they can do a lot. But everyone's proverbial grandma shouldn't have to do anything other than lay down some $ to get the computing environment outlined above. And we shouldn't try to prevent that.
Why are hackers so afraid of there being a Super Easy Linux Distro? Nothing about your distribution changes if one is developed and achieves mass-market acceptance. Nothing! Plus you now have a big installed base to develop really interesting apps for, or to support, or to benefit indirectly from by virtue of sheer numbers.
Sounds great to me.
jm
I've seen way too many monstrous Linux desktop screenshots to think of Linux as a home to "quiet, neutral [desktop] environment(s)."
As a professional, you can switch right now to whatever desktop environment you like. Just be sure your professional apps will run once you get there.
Aqua isn't "insulting." And you've never used it to do any work, so you can't really say what it's like. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want 3" square icons, but I'm also pretty sure that they're not mandatory. Think Demo.
I bet getting involved with Eazel's project is as simple as clicking.
Rather than trying your experiment, I think I'd just donate that 486 piece of garbage to a nice non-profit that needs to use WP 5.1a for DOS and get a new computer.
Amazingly, I use a modern computer to run modern software.
Amazingly, the company that has put more time, people, money, etc. into the latest release of browser has a better product for the two mainstream desktop platforms (Windows & MacOS). Guess which company that is?
irony done well is just to funny
Please indicate exactly where you find irony in this commercial. I thought it was funny, but not because it was ironic.
Chimps are funny.
[smack]
...goes your hand on your forehead, as you re-read what you replied to.
RC-64 is losing CPU time while some dnetc clients are working CSC. Another week (or more???) of lost CPU time to CSC means fewer cycles for RC-64. Once CSC is over, the clients which continue to operate will be working RC-64 again. Everyone thought that would happen last week, but nope.
Therefore, RC-64 is hurt by the extension of the CSC project.
There's a really nice 2000 Beetle driving around the St. Louis area with the plates "BUGY2K".
The only time I've *ever* been jealous of either a car or a custom plate. Schlock? Maybe, but cool anyway...
I'm not wanting to dis Mr. Schultz directly, but aren't we all sick of this nonsensical corporate double-speak?
Does this sound like an apology to you? If you broke the cookie jar, and you told your mom that you had an apologetic stance towards the event, do you think she'd buy it?
Corporations should be capable of saying, "Know what? We did a shitty thing, we admit it, and we'd like to publicly apologize to the people we've hurt."
Guess that's only for televangelists and politicians, and even then, only after they've been caught.
Feeling cynical,
JM
I refuse to run Win98 on my dual P3 450 machine. It might run games a billion times better, but it doesn't matter:
That said, my soundcard works approximately 3% of the time under Windows NT 4 when playing Q3A and Unreal Tournament, though it's fine with Half-Life and its mods. It's a Diamond Monster Sound MX300, with an Aureal AU8830 chipset that has "known issues under NT SMP configurations."
Why? Aureal doesn't consider NT SMP a mainstream gaming platform, so I am apparently invited to Go Screw Myself.
W2K is supposed to fix a lot of this and should make NT a better gaming environment, but looks like we'll have to wait until the millennium (by popular reckoning) to get something out of Microsoft. Unless the Millennium gets in the way.
I made a Q2 map once that had three "jump pads". It was really easy, and didn't require any code changes. Too bad I don't remember how, I'm sure it'll be useful to me one day.
Maybe you haven't noticed the curved surfaces in Q3A? This is a "new feature."
"More polygons" is not a "new feature."
"It's just a lot slower than a Voodoo3 or G200/G400."
And a lot slower than me just running Q3A with my TNT2 Ultra under Windows NT.
It's really a shame that NT (largely neglected by the game industry) is a more robust gaming platform than Linux. Win98 shouldn't be held up as the target for Linux gaming advancements; there are too many compromises (which we are all aware of) that allow Win98 to be fast, support a lot of hardware and software, and totally suck as a modern OS.
The game industry seems uninterested in supporting Windows NT 4. Time will tell with Windows 2000. The Mac has serious challenges in this market as well. How can Linux be established as a viable platform in this environment?
Serious question. I'd like to know how people see this working.
Lots and lots of legal people use WordPerfect. In fact, more than a few law offices actually still use WordPerfect 5.1a for DOS.
They also use a lot of NetWare, as I understand it...
I understand that there are a number of OS components involved in sending Internet e-mail, but it's not like they teleported a tangerine to Pluto. It's just e-mail.
And how does this indicate that "Solaris...is ready for the Itanium processor"? Unless you want to send a few e-mails, which most of us can do just fine with a non-Itanium processor...
Technology milestones are great, but I don't see that this means that I should plan on running my business (or anything else, necessarily) on Solaris IA-64.
$0.02,
jm
Studio Vision Pro, still not available on Windows. Maybe not the "last" product, but certainly a major reason that more pro audio facilities have Macs and not PCs in the booth.
Not that you need DirectX to run Quake (including Quake II and III Arena), or most games written with a modified Quake engine.
:(
My SMP NT box runs Half-Life just fine.
But not when it's running Linux.