In the short term maybe with respect to their tech support cost. In the long term it will cost them in sales due to the fact that their customer satisfaction is in the tank.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I read somewhere that Verislime owns many of the "alternate" non-Verislime CAs out there. So even if you don't buy Verislime certs, you may very well be buying Verislime certs anyways. Can anyone confirm this?
I've long since wondered why a non-profit like the FSF or ISC didn't create an alternate CA. OpenCA.org or OpenCert.org. I see that openca.org is already used for some sort of CA project but I don't know exactly what. If browsers like the Mozilla clan, Safari, Opera, and others honored OpenCA's certs then eventually MS's IE would have to as well. Actually MS would probably get in the busines with their own CA at that point but still... OpenCA could charge a small fee, just enough to maintain a good CA system and pay some good staffers. It could be like $50/cert. That would be excellent IMHO.
There's only one thing to do when dealing with this kind of contract involving this much money: lawyer up. Don't be combative about it. If asked just politely explain that you don't have the necessary expertise to adequately support your interests. If a potential employer a) can't understand that, b) is offended by such an act, or c) tries to talk you out of lawyering up then that employer should no longer be considered a "potential employer" but should instead not be considered at all. Don't sign any contract that you don't feel comfortable with. If the employer won't be flexible and/or understanding of your position then you shouldn't even consider employment with that company. Walk.
I can't believe the Mozilla Group would go belly up for these people that just want to bitch and moan about a word. A stupid freaking word. Grow a backbone people.
Hey thanks for the reply (both of ya'll). It sounds like Gentoo might be just what I need. I hope to get it installed in the next week or two. Thanks for the info!
And then the SCOX stockholders sue the management of the company that was intentionally run into the ground for damages. We all win, but Darl. Woot! It's all good.:)
This is getting OT but how do you like Gentoo? I'm downloading the ISOs as we speak. I've been a RH user forever but I'm sick to death of RH9 and looking for something better. Is portage all it's cracked up to be? I compile all my daemons and most of my power tools by hand. I rarely use a RPM for anything anymore. Being able to upgrade a library and any library that depends on it at the drop of a hat would be ubber nice. I canned RH's sasl RPMs the other day and rolled my own only to find out that Rh statically linked all sorts of crap to the old libraries. Pine of all things is statically linked to RH's old sasl libraries. Avoiding this nightmare in the future sure would be nice. I'll miss my RH init scripts though.:(
LOL. I still don't bother with/etc/init.d/ABC stop. I still type out/etc/rc.d/init.d/mimedefang restart.:) Tab completion makes this very fast but still... I never have changed my mindset after RH started using/etc/init.d/. Oh well. No big loss.
I've been using RH for a long time now. Frankly if someone asked me to build them a rock solid mail server today I'd build it on a RH 7.3 installation. Granted it wouldn't much look like RH when I was done but that would be my foundation. I have RH 9 on my newest server and I can't stand it. Don't get me wrong, I love RH-style init scripts. I write and submit init scripts all the time for packages I use that don't already have them. It's easy and yet powerful. I don't really give a hoot about dependancies. I'm compotent enough to take care of that on my own.
I am however looking to dump RH thanks to RH9. I skipped all the 8's do to horrible reviews and now I see that 9 isn't much better. I'm currently downloading Gentoo ISOs and I plan on getting it up and running soon. I don't however like the idea of having to learn yet another style of init scripts. I'm not looking forward to that at all.
Frankly I like RH's approach to where it puts many things (note I didn't say all). I like ALL of my configuration files to be in/etc/package_name/. I like *almost all* of my binaries to be in/usr//{bin,sbin}. I use/usr/local for all packages I compile myself (which is just about every daemon and most important additional packages. I don't like how the BSDs install a package in/usr/local/package_name/{bin,sbin,lib,man,etc}/. That annoys the hell out of me.
RH has good things going for it in my eyes. I do however absolutely HATE how RH put libraries to seemingly random places in RH9. Kerberos really gets my goat. I also hate how damned near everything is staticaly linked to specific libraries. That makes upgrading something like libz or libsasl a royal PITA. Damn RH to hell for that one.
I also despise the incompotence of RPM. Just because I didn't install RH's libgd doesn't mean I didn't compile a much newer version by hand. RPM is too damned stupid to be able to check for such a thing. I really hate RPM.
Basically I like a lot of how RH does SOME things. I hate a lot of what they're doing nowadays too. If I could find a distro similar to RH that does things right, I'd be very happy.
Of all the domains I have (over 2 dozen in all), I have only 3 domains with valid WHOIS information. It's not MY information but the information of the proxy company that GoDaddy uses. Other than that ALL of my domains use false WHOIS information. I guess I'm a criminal after all.
That's very true too. The bigger they are the harder they fall. I wonder though if a copyright violation case can actually be made into a class-action lawsuit. I don't know what the requirements are but I wouldn't have though a copyright case was qualified though. IANAL either so I don't really know. It's interesting to think about it though.
True but I could see Microsoft using the code regardless. If the license is found to be invalid I predict MS would argue that the code has been put into the public domain (right or wrong). Who's got deep enough pockets to fight them? Think about it from another angle: who has a legal right to fight them at that point? Only those that have contributed to the kernel without giving up their copyright on their code. I don't know if any of those folks have deep enough pockets to take on MS in our bastardized legal system and win. It's a scary notion.
> Captured the culprit of the Mydoom? 30-01-2004 According to some agencies inform into the news, the FBI would have made some haltings that could be related to the presumed author of the worm of greater propagation of history, and for the surprise of all, it would be in the offices of one of his "victims".
The information, says that the FBI stopped several programmers and in charge of the company SCO, at the same time which other searches and investigations were made in the central offices of the same one, retiring of them a servant and several workstations.
The details of the operations of the special services were not revealed officially, nevertheless, are known by mouth of a representative of company IBM. According to its words, the operation would be connected directly with the judicial lawsuits between IBM and SCO by the code of Linux.
But most surprising, and in agreement with the existing information, it is that all the haltings also would be connected with the investigation lead by the FBI, in relation to the epidemic carried out by the new worm of Internet, Mydoom (also known like Novarg).
Supposedly, on the basis of the analysis of the map of expansion and the speed of the same one, the FBI would suspect that the origin of the infection has been the own SCO.
This is paradoxical, since the company was the target of the anticipated attacks of refusal on watch of the worm in its two versions. The other white one was Microsoft. Possibly, if this is confirmed, somebody of the personnel of the company would have thought (or it would have done it by indication of some superior one), that the action was a form ready to the public opinion in favor of the judgment of the company against Linux.
SCO takes ahead a irreconciliable legal war on the use of licenses of parts of the code of UNIX in Linux, which means thousands of million dollars.
The own SCO and Microsoft, have offered you compensate of 250,000 dollars each one, by information that take to the capture of the author of the Mydoom.
Internet Explorer for Mac was abandoned some time ago. It's is no longer a development project on Microsoft's screen. And thank for that! It was horrible.
There is only one effective way to learn in the field.
Trial & Error
IMHO that's about it. Get an extra computer; install a Linux distro; start messing around with ALL the commands; give yourself little projects to do like setting up a FTP or HTTP server; once you've done it with one tool try the project again with another. The only way you're going to learn something like Linux is to just sit down and force yourself to learn by way of personal projects. Once you have some familiarity with Linux, start taking CS courses. The book called "Learning Perl" is a good place to start to orient yourself with programming. Take a C for Engineers class (much better than any of the CIS courses I ever took). The skies the limit. Best of luck.
As for the people who allow their AV gateways to send back auto responses, they should be shot.
I disagree. Shooting them is letting them off too easily. I can't believe that there are still incompotent morons out there calling themselves mail admins that still auto-ack the envelope sender. Wait. Strike that. I have known to many incompotent mail admins in my time to say that they can't still exist. Sad, but true I'm afraid.
I propose authoring a RFC on this very topic. Something should make clear what can and can not be trusted in a RFC2822 message. Once we have that we can create an RFC-Ignorant blacklist of the non-compliant MTAs. I dream of this happening some day!
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Really? Do tell. No seriously, I need to look into them in the very near future. :)
In the short term maybe with respect to their tech support cost. In the long term it will cost them in sales due to the fact that their customer satisfaction is in the tank.
I've long since wondered why a non-profit like the FSF or ISC didn't create an alternate CA. OpenCA.org or OpenCert.org. I see that openca.org is already used for some sort of CA project but I don't know exactly what. If browsers like the Mozilla clan, Safari, Opera, and others honored OpenCA's certs then eventually MS's IE would have to as well. Actually MS would probably get in the busines with their own CA at that point but still... OpenCA could charge a small fee, just enough to maintain a good CA system and pay some good staffers. It could be like $50/cert. That would be excellent IMHO.
There's only one thing to do when dealing with this kind of contract involving this much money: lawyer up. Don't be combative about it. If asked just politely explain that you don't have the necessary expertise to adequately support your interests. If a potential employer a) can't understand that, b) is offended by such an act, or c) tries to talk you out of lawyering up then that employer should no longer be considered a "potential employer" but should instead not be considered at all. Don't sign any contract that you don't feel comfortable with. If the employer won't be flexible and/or understanding of your position then you shouldn't even consider employment with that company. Walk.
I can't believe the Mozilla Group would go belly up for these people that just want to bitch and moan about a word. A stupid freaking word. Grow a backbone people.
Hey thanks for the reply (both of ya'll). It sounds like Gentoo might be just what I need. I hope to get it installed in the next week or two. Thanks for the info!
And then the SCOX stockholders sue the management of the company that was intentionally run into the ground for damages. We all win, but Darl. Woot! It's all good. :)
This is getting OT but how do you like Gentoo? I'm downloading the ISOs as we speak. I've been a RH user forever but I'm sick to death of RH9 and looking for something better. Is portage all it's cracked up to be? I compile all my daemons and most of my power tools by hand. I rarely use a RPM for anything anymore. Being able to upgrade a library and any library that depends on it at the drop of a hat would be ubber nice. I canned RH's sasl RPMs the other day and rolled my own only to find out that Rh statically linked all sorts of crap to the old libraries. Pine of all things is statically linked to RH's old sasl libraries. Avoiding this nightmare in the future sure would be nice. I'll miss my RH init scripts though. :(
LOL. I still don't bother with /etc/init.d/ABC stop. I still type out /etc/rc.d/init.d/mimedefang restart. :) Tab completion makes this very fast but still... I never have changed my mindset after RH started using /etc/init.d/. Oh well. No big loss.
I am however looking to dump RH thanks to RH9. I skipped all the 8's do to horrible reviews and now I see that 9 isn't much better. I'm currently downloading Gentoo ISOs and I plan on getting it up and running soon. I don't however like the idea of having to learn yet another style of init scripts. I'm not looking forward to that at all.
Frankly I like RH's approach to where it puts many things (note I didn't say all). I like ALL of my configuration files to be in /etc/package_name/. I like *almost all* of my binaries to be in /usr//{bin,sbin}. I use /usr/local for all packages I compile myself (which is just about every daemon and most important additional packages. I don't like how the BSDs install a package in /usr/local/package_name/{bin,sbin,lib,man,etc}/. That annoys the hell out of me.
RH has good things going for it in my eyes. I do however absolutely HATE how RH put libraries to seemingly random places in RH9. Kerberos really gets my goat. I also hate how damned near everything is staticaly linked to specific libraries. That makes upgrading something like libz or libsasl a royal PITA. Damn RH to hell for that one.
I also despise the incompotence of RPM. Just because I didn't install RH's libgd doesn't mean I didn't compile a much newer version by hand. RPM is too damned stupid to be able to check for such a thing. I really hate RPM.
Basically I like a lot of how RH does SOME things. I hate a lot of what they're doing nowadays too. If I could find a distro similar to RH that does things right, I'd be very happy.
Of all the domains I have (over 2 dozen in all), I have only 3 domains with valid WHOIS information. It's not MY information but the information of the proxy company that GoDaddy uses. Other than that ALL of my domains use false WHOIS information. I guess I'm a criminal after all.
PETA will have a field day with this. I pop over to their site every once in a while to get a good laugh. Sensationalism as its best!
Let me break out my check book from Funny Money Bank and Trust. :-)
Sorry pal but this is what the fish spit out. Try it for yourself; it's not difficult.
There is nothing worse than a troll with moderator points. Flamebait my ass.
That's very true too. The bigger they are the harder they fall. I wonder though if a copyright violation case can actually be made into a class-action lawsuit. I don't know what the requirements are but I wouldn't have though a copyright case was qualified though. IANAL either so I don't really know. It's interesting to think about it though.
True but I could see Microsoft using the code regardless. If the license is found to be invalid I predict MS would argue that the code has been put into the public domain (right or wrong). Who's got deep enough pockets to fight them? Think about it from another angle: who has a legal right to fight them at that point? Only those that have contributed to the kernel without giving up their copyright on their code. I don't know if any of those folks have deep enough pockets to take on MS in our bastardized legal system and win. It's a scary notion.
This article was quite funny. I vote this guy gets another mod point.
There he is officer. Darl McBride authored MyDoom. May I please have my $250,000.00 USD now? Thank you very much.
Those folks that are footing SCO's bill (a small little company in Redmond) want the GPL destroyed. This is the best that they can hope for.
Internet Explorer for Mac was abandoned some time ago. It's is no longer a development project on Microsoft's screen. And thank for that! It was horrible.
IMHO that's about it. Get an extra computer; install a Linux distro; start messing around with ALL the commands; give yourself little projects to do like setting up a FTP or HTTP server; once you've done it with one tool try the project again with another. The only way you're going to learn something like Linux is to just sit down and force yourself to learn by way of personal projects. Once you have some familiarity with Linux, start taking CS courses. The book called "Learning Perl" is a good place to start to orient yourself with programming. Take a C for Engineers class (much better than any of the CIS courses I ever took). The skies the limit. Best of luck.
I disagree. Shooting them is letting them off too easily. I can't believe that there are still incompotent morons out there calling themselves mail admins that still auto-ack the envelope sender. Wait. Strike that. I have known to many incompotent mail admins in my time to say that they can't still exist. Sad, but true I'm afraid.
I propose authoring a RFC on this very topic. Something should make clear what can and can not be trusted in a RFC2822 message. Once we have that we can create an RFC-Ignorant blacklist of the non-compliant MTAs. I dream of this happening some day!
Did you dump the coffee into fabric that retained the hot coffee rather than it dispersing across your skin? There's a big difference between the two.