Besides bringing you weekends, 40-hour work weeks, an end to child labor, etc, what have the unions ever done for the US?
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You don't owe modern organizers any money or gratitude for the efforts of other people who died a long time ago. Modern organizers did none of those things.
Sounds like every corporation I've ever worked for. "Those" people are after your jobs! Work harder and don't take vacation or we'll buy robots! It's your fault we're moving to China, why can't YOU live on $5 an hour? We're a team aren't we??
I've never heard that from any company. I haven't heard any genuine secondhand accounts of it either.
We can read the AFL-CIO language right here though. It's not a made up story. It's what they actually said.
"Organizers" try to divide people and sow discontent. They don't want you to be happy because your unhappiness is their strength. They don't want you to have sympathy or empathy for each other because they feed on suspicion and envy and hatred and distrust. They need you to embrace negativity and anger so you'll be willing to give them power — power to "fight" your fellow man, over money or bad feelings or literally anything, as long as the organizers get some power and money out of it.
Divide one group against another so you can be the champion of one of the groups. Make sure no one can ever be happy or content — happy people don't need a champion.
Everyone will use tons of data even though half the towers are offline due to the hurricane (or whatever) and public safety officials will be limited by network congestion.
Better suggestion: leave the network management to the guys who know how to do it.
"School choice" = public funds helping to subsidize private educations for wealthy kids = taking money away from public schools
School choice is for kids learning. Money for public schools is for payroll and pensions and administration and unions — maybe a kid learns something in the process, maybe not — dividing up and pocketing the money is what truly matters to them.
Oh, you're talking about school vouchers. Yeah, I think they suck and they lead to uneven and unfair outcomes for poor and minority students. All students should have to go to public schools. Only then do students all get equivalent quality educations.
Children in poor neighborhoods get a bad education on average. Everyone knows. You're not fooling anyone.
The real question is why you want to keep them down. Either because you don't think they deserve a chance, or you don't care, or you have some personal or ideological stake in the system that condemns their lives.
It turned out to be a very close election. Votes from parents who wanted to choose their kid's school instead of being trapped in the government system may have been enough for the winning margin.
It's a reflection of the rest of society. Cultural leaders celebrate and reward hate because they're terrible people. Followers respond because they are followers. It's not headed for a peaceful ending. They still have time to change course and give up on being haters. They know it's making their lives worse for no benefit to anyone.
My experience from attending school is that they don't. Maybe I mistook them being completely useless and interested only in money for not them caring because those things are functionally exactly the same.
At least there will always be an infinite supply of hype and silly speculative "news" stories. They'll be just as insightful when the writers are all robots.
I guess I know a lot of successful people and I also knew people who cheated. The cheating didn’t prevent the success. If you think the two things are mutually exclusive, then yeah, it's hard to have a conversation about unreality.
It mostly has to do with the fact that society is competitive and there is not enough to go around,
Learning is unlimited.
Society cares because no one wants a doctor that cheated his way through and does not actually know the content.
If a cheater could genuinely make it all the way through medical school without knowing the material, then your medical school system is a sham.
...engineers... an assistant...etc.
I don't believe stories like this. If an employer can be fooled into hiring someone dumb, that employer needs to learn how to not be a fool. If an engineer can fool the other engineers over and over and over, enough times to build something that gets past them and then breaks, then honest mistakes will get past them too. Be better at your job.
On a personal level, people who cheat can get better grades than people who do not cheat, given similar levels of talent. If they have better grades than you, they get into better schools (or grad school) that have more opportunities for the social contacts necessary for getting the best jobs.
Smart, talented, hard-working people succeed, regardless of whether someone else cheats. If someone enjoys some additional success, in addition to being smart and talented and hard-working, then it's because they are additionally skilled at something people value, even if the specifics make you frown.
I understand that some people have status anxiety and want to guard the integrity of their personal status by excluding others -- especially when they think they have a good reason. You guys should all get over it. If you want higher status, be more valuable to your fellow man rather than finding a righteous justification to keep your fellow man down.
I'm not an authoritarian or a totalitarian, nor am I jealous of others' success, so I’m not in favor of ruining children's lives or otherwise harming people to maintain some vain illusion of control or exclusivity.
If a kid wants to cheat, why is that any of your business? Because you're on the hunt for people to victimize to bolster your ego? How is that a good thing?
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Besides bringing you weekends, 40-hour work weeks, an end to child labor, etc, what have the unions ever done for the US?
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You don't owe modern organizers any money or gratitude for the efforts of other people who died a long time ago. Modern organizers did none of those things.
People can judge for themselves. They should ask themselves how envy will lead to happiness and contentment and goodwill.
Your stories vs. the actual words of the AFL-CIO guy. Which should we believe?
AFL-CIO guy's words are not a strawman.
Sounds like every corporation I've ever worked for. "Those" people are after your jobs! Work harder and don't take vacation or we'll buy robots! It's your fault we're moving to China, why can't YOU live on $5 an hour? We're a team aren't we??
I've never heard that from any company. I haven't heard any genuine secondhand accounts of it either.
We can read the AFL-CIO language right here though. It's not a made up story. It's what they actually said.
"Organizers" try to divide people and sow discontent. They don't want you to be happy because your unhappiness is their strength. They don't want you to have sympathy or empathy for each other because they feed on suspicion and envy and hatred and distrust. They need you to embrace negativity and anger so you'll be willing to give them power — power to "fight" your fellow man, over money or bad feelings or literally anything, as long as the organizers get some power and money out of it.
Divide one group against another so you can be the champion of one of the groups. Make sure no one can ever be happy or content — happy people don't need a champion.
You missed the point: Orange Man Bad!
Amazon actually spends their money to help bring people good things.
Because "industry standard" wires don't use natural resources.
Because they saved $83.00 on their phone. Saving $83.00 and calling everyone else who paid more "stupid" is what life is about.
Everyone will use tons of data even though half the towers are offline due to the hurricane (or whatever) and public safety officials will be limited by network congestion.
Better suggestion: leave the network management to the guys who know how to do it.
"School choice" = public funds helping to subsidize private educations for wealthy kids = taking money away from public schools
School choice is for kids learning. Money for public schools is for payroll and pensions and administration and unions — maybe a kid learns something in the process, maybe not — dividing up and pocketing the money is what truly matters to them.
Always willing to sacrifice progress at the altar of equality.
They aren't sacrificing "progress", they are sacrificing children.
Oh, you're talking about school vouchers. Yeah, I think they suck and they lead to uneven and unfair outcomes for poor and minority students. All students should have to go to public schools. Only then do students all get equivalent quality educations.
Children in poor neighborhoods get a bad education on average. Everyone knows. You're not fooling anyone.
The real question is why you want to keep them down. Either because you don't think they deserve a chance, or you don't care, or you have some personal or ideological stake in the system that condemns their lives.
Recent example: FEA endorsed the candidate who vowed to take away opportunities for students to learn without FEA on the payroll.
It turned out to be a very close election. Votes from parents who wanted to choose their kid's school instead of being trapped in the government system may have been enough for the winning margin.
That's just a recent example.
Slashdot is so toxic
It's a reflection of the rest of society. Cultural leaders celebrate and reward hate because they're terrible people. Followers respond because they are followers. It's not headed for a peaceful ending. They still have time to change course and give up on being haters. They know it's making their lives worse for no benefit to anyone.
Schools care enough about their payroll to do everything they can to trap kids who want to learn in a system that prevents them from learning.
My experience from attending school is that they don't. Maybe I mistook them being completely useless and interested only in money for not them caring because those things are functionally exactly the same.
Schools don’t care. Schools care about payroll.
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Yeah they live on Vashon ;)
Sound very vashionable.
Staff would also get a more secure pension. That's one of the biggest expenses. Pensions don't teach children.
At least there will always be an infinite supply of hype and silly speculative "news" stories. They'll be just as insightful when the writers are all robots.
I guess I know a lot of successful people and I also knew people who cheated. The cheating didn’t prevent the success. If you think the two things are mutually exclusive, then yeah, it's hard to have a conversation about unreality.
It mostly has to do with the fact that society is competitive and there is not enough to go around,
Learning is unlimited.
Society cares because no one wants a doctor that cheated his way through and does not actually know the content.
If a cheater could genuinely make it all the way through medical school without knowing the material, then your medical school system is a sham.
...engineers ... an assistant...etc.
I don't believe stories like this. If an employer can be fooled into hiring someone dumb, that employer needs to learn how to not be a fool. If an engineer can fool the other engineers over and over and over, enough times to build something that gets past them and then breaks, then honest mistakes will get past them too. Be better at your job.
On a personal level, people who cheat can get better grades than people who do not cheat, given similar levels of talent. If they have better grades than you, they get into better schools (or grad school) that have more opportunities for the social contacts necessary for getting the best jobs.
Smart, talented, hard-working people succeed, regardless of whether someone else cheats. If someone enjoys some additional success, in addition to being smart and talented and hard-working, then it's because they are additionally skilled at something people value, even if the specifics make you frown.
I understand that some people have status anxiety and want to guard the integrity of their personal status by excluding others -- especially when they think they have a good reason. You guys should all get over it. If you want higher status, be more valuable to your fellow man rather than finding a righteous justification to keep your fellow man down.
I'm not an authoritarian or a totalitarian, nor am I jealous of others' success, so I’m not in favor of ruining children's lives or otherwise harming people to maintain some vain illusion of control or exclusivity.
If a kid wants to cheat, why is that any of your business? Because you're on the hunt for people to victimize to bolster your ego? How is that a good thing?