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Rich Kids Are Cheating in School With Apple Watches (theoutline.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: There is, however, one demographic that has embraced the Apple Watch with open arms: tech-savvy, upper middle-class teens and tweens. The watch is a convenient workaround for classroom cell-phone bans; it can be used for everything from texting to cheating on tests. [...] Julia Rubin, a former middle-school teacher at a private school in New York City, said that when the Apple Watch first came out in 2014, a handful of students got them as presents for the holidays.

When Rubin asked her school's principal to ban the watches the same way the school banned cell phones, she refused. In addition to kids texting during class, there is growing concern that smart watches could be used to help kids cheat during exams. In fact, there is a wealth of YouTube videos showing teens how to do precisely that, usually with the disclaimer that they are only sharing this information "for entertainment purposes."

[...] Nikias Molina, 20, is a Spanish vlogger who runs the YouTube channel Apple World. A slender, dark-haired kid with braces and a slight European accent, Molina posted a 2018 video showing subscribers how to use various apps on the Apple Watch to cheat on exams. As he demonstrates in the video and explained to me, there are apps you can download onto the Apple Watch to save PDFs, but the most common method is to take a photo of a cheat sheet and pull it up on the Apple Watch, which doesn't require internet accessibility. The response to the video was mixed -- "students were thanking me [in the comments], and teachers were hating on me" -- but the video racked up more than 115,000 views.

252 comments

  1. Thats alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the aluminum watches on their sweaty skin, they are also slowly poisoning themselves.

    1. Re: Thats alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aluminum is terribly poisonous. All you have to do is dial the poison control number (which is in every phone book) to find that out. If you were thinking of poisoning someone and block your number, well, they do not accept blocked number calls. To all would be murderers they say boo hoo too bad.

    2. Re: Thats alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alzheimer FTW.... what a link

      By the time they are old enough they expect a vaccination of the gum disease brought on by aluminum in their system. Assuming that is actually linked.

    3. Re: Thats alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vaccination + aluminum makes you super retarded.

    4. Re:Thats alright by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Aluminum is nothing compared to Wifi waves and GMOs! Fortunately Himalayan salt candles and kombucha can mitigate the effects when used rectally.

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    5. Re: Thats alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vaginally, but for full effect it must be administered from the head of my cock. Ditto for assholes, but I'm not into that sorta thing; I'm choosy of whom to help.

    6. Re: Thats alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, as long as they continue wearing their iWatch through the rest of life, where is the harm? /sarc

    7. Re: Thats alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What happened to you then, delivered anally?

    8. Re: Thats alright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      human cloaca is a thing...

    9. Re:Thats alright by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      Have you ever been hit in the head with an aluminum baseball bat? Don't tell me aluminum isn't dangerous.

    10. Re:Thats alright by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Many times!

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    11. Re:Thats alright by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Fortunately Himalayan salt candles and kombucha can mitigate the effects when used rectally.

      I'm assuming that one is not to use any lube then as that would dissolve the salt candle.

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    12. Re:Thats alright by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      If you need lube then you haven't been properly irrigating your bowels.

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  2. Don't understand by ceoyoyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the difference between pulling up a cheat sheet on your watch and having one stuck in your sock? I suppose you could keep more material on your watch, but as everyone who's ever written an open book test knows, more material is a curse, not a blessing.

    If you see a kid fiddling with their smart watch during a test, fail them. Can't do that? THAT's your problem, not the watch.

    1. Re: Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could simply be plausible deniability. If you pull out pieces of paper you are basically 100% cheating. If you touch your watch, you could just say you were checking the time to know how much time to allocate for the remaining questions.

    2. Re: Don't understand by dougdonovan · · Score: 0

      Where is the teacher that should be watching the kids? Probably complaining they dont get paid enough outside vaping.

    3. Re:Don't understand by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      What's the difference between pulling up a cheat sheet on your watch and having one stuck in your sock?

      The difference is whether or not your parents can make a hefty donation to the school's endowment.

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    4. Re: Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or the teacher could simply say "no watches during tests" and make them take them off.

    5. Re:Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is whether or not your parents can make a hefty donation to the school's endowment.

      And again it is not a problem of smartwatch. If you can't fail a student because he's rich, it is problem of education system, smartwatch doesn't make a difference. In other words, this is not news...

    6. Re:Don't understand by gweihir · · Score: 0

      Cheaters are retarded. I once cleaned up a cheat sheet one left behind after an exam, with her name on it! Cannot make it? Cheating just will make things worse. Only exception: Politicians. They do not need any skills except public lying. Cheating may well serve as preparation for such a career.

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    7. Re: Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could have been mine, yeah, I wrote her name just in case it was found. Smart right ?

    8. Re: Don't understand by edris90 · · Score: 0

      I would just put as the first exercise on the test, on the first page to voluntarily turn in your Apple watch to the teacher, if you don't have an Apple Watch then walk up to the teacher voluntarily tell her I don't have a watch and show them your arms. before flipping to the next page. And then make that exercise worth 98% of the grade. And make that grade a requirement to pass the class at all. And don't tell him what's coming before the test. In one swoop you can clear them all out.

    9. Re:Don't understand by ranton · · Score: 0

      Cheating just will make things worse.

      This is only true for classes which provide value to students. There are plenty of classes this doesn't apply to. I for instance would routinely cheat on my Spanish tests because two semesters of foreign language were required and I had no desire to learn a foreign language (still don't). All Spanish classes were to me were a potential drag on my grade point average and my actual interests. Cheating certainly never made anything worse; as long as I didn't get caught.

      If students show genuine interest in a class, they are unlikely to cheat. And nearly any class after a student can read and do basic arithmetic, which the student shows no interest in, is of very little value to the student. They aren't going to retain the knowledge. If the teachers disagree with a student about the value of the course, it is their job to pique the student's interest not act like prison wardens forcing them to do work with the threat of poor grades.

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    10. Re: Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on, we both know that the kid is going to use IFTTT to trigger the cheatsheet based on time and location so she doesn't have to touch the watch, right?

      It's oneupsmanship, and the options are out there.

    11. Re:Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When iPhones just came out I remember some students using them to cheat before the professors caught on.

      As for the smart watches, they're the reason why all watches in general are banned from many test-taking facilities now. When I took my PE exam two years ago nobody was allowed to wear a watch anymore.

    12. Re:Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have cheated on an exam exactly once in my life - in my Political exam in 1988, in The People's Republic of Bulgaria. I had a cheatsheet with a bunch of quotes from the Communist Premier, as well as what buzzwords should be used for which 'themes'.

      I went to the restroom to consult it... at the end of the exam, the one of the proctors said to another, loud enough that absolutely everyone in the room heard it - "I have never seen so many people going to the restroom in any other kind of exam, it must be really scary."

      Even the proctors knew it was a waste of everyone's time, but you could no more get a College Education without it than you could without being a member of the Young Communists.

    13. Re:Don't understand by gweihir · · Score: 0

      Ok, true. If there are classes that do not provide value to students (and I do not doubt such classes exist and may not even be rare), then something is messed up completely and all bets are off. Of course, these classes provide even less value this way, because some of the students will just see that cheating works and not that this is due to special circumstances. When they then cheat elsewhere too, they are harming themselves.

      As to foreign languages, I firmly believe everybody should learn one to the point of being fluent (that is usually at least 6 years or so). You learn an incredible lot about your first language that way and see how language shapes thought.

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    14. Re:Don't understand by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, _that_ I would not call cheating. That is more keeping your synapses free of utterly useless and demented crap.

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    15. Re:Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a really easy application here that is missing.

      Testing rooms should be a "signal-free" room, eg classrooms setup as a faraday cage and windows blackened if it has any. That removes all temptation to cheat as there is no distractions that can be used to look at cheat sheets.

      When I took took a certification exam at the college, I was escorted to a room that looked like a cubicle farm and basically told not to fuck with the machines.

      Now there are multiple solutions (remember how calculator watches were banned in some places?) to this, the easiest solution is obvious, have them remove the watch. If they're afraid of it being lost/stolen during the exam, have them remove it from their wrist and place it face-down on the desk.

      But let's be honest, if people are going to cheat with their smartwatches, then these kids should be failed automatically, and should not bring the watch into the room in the first place.

    16. Re:Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are many classes that offer no value, but it's a moral judgement on the persons character if they believe they should be allowed to cheat.

      If you cheat, you should be expelled. Period.

      Now, that said, which classes should not count towards a GPA? mandatory second language requirements. History and Art classes (yes you should take these classes, but these classes are often used to PAD GPA because they aren't useful otherwise.)

    17. Re:Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Summary describes downloading PDFs locally to the watch memory. A faraday cage isn't going to stop that.

    18. Re:Don't understand by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      So since you cheated on your Spanish test, you are now much more likely to say, "Mi papa tiene 50 anos" when you meant to say, "Mi papá tiene 50 años"

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    19. Re: Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disagree.

      Aside from bragging and virtue signalling it's mostly useless to know another language, at least in usa.

      Fluent in 1, decent in 3, terrible in 1 more.

      Study of language is interesting in and of itself but is no more superior than say, the study of the rules of football.

    20. Re:Don't understand by thewolfkin · · Score: 1

      ehh the watch can be less circumspect. MUCH less circumspect.

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    21. Re:Don't understand by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The difference is, the difference between being a Theranos princess and well a prison sentence. Cheating in school, has real world consequences, just like dropping out, yeah, you will be shite at your chosen profession and likely end up with prison sentence ;/.

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    22. Re:Don't understand by ranton · · Score: 1

      If you cheat, you should be expelled. Period.

      Considering even self reported polls show about 2/3 of students cheat in high-school, expulsion is a bit dramatic. And considering the chances of getting caught cheating are so low, any significant punishment creates more unfairness than the cheating itself. Cheating as a moral failing rates somewhere around going 10 miles over the speed limit on an interstate.

      There are plenty of ways to reduce cheating; many of them mentioned in this article's comments. More significant punishment is usually the worst option of reducing any unwanted behavior.

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    23. Re:Don't understand by tomknight · · Score: 1

      Or rather, just copy the exam conditions in the UK. No watches, no devices at all other than the prescribed calculator, and from what I understand you must even be willing to show the memory of this... Also, clear pencil cases, clear water bottles.

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    24. Re:Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... That is more keeping your synapses free of utterly useless and demented crap.

      Only if have enough synapses

    25. Re:Don't understand by Assmasher · · Score: 1

      Because it's simple to write an app for the watch that doesn't require you to fiddle with it to cheat - which means the teach would have to be able to see all the kids watch faces (which is circumventable by having the accelerometer hide/unhide the ui with arm movement.)

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    26. Re: Don't understand by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Or the teacher could simply say "no watches during tests" and make them take them off.

      Like they finally did with graphics calculators. I used to program my graphics calculator with all the formulas and answers... but then I'd never actually need to use it to cheat during the test, because I'd remember the answers after programming them into my calculator.

      With my kids now, they wipe the memory of the calculators before a test so they can't cheat... schools slowly learn.

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    27. Re: Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly what I was thinking...in some test you do not even have the time to cheat. Only to barely read the question and try to came up with a reasonable answer.

    28. Re:Don't understand by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Have you ever invigilated an exam? You don't see kids fiddling with bits of paper. You see them suspiciously staring at something other than the middle distance, usually in the region of their crotches. The watch is even more suspicious.

    29. Re:Don't understand by ranton · · Score: 1

      So since you cheated on your Spanish test, you are now much more likely to say, "Mi papa tiene 50 anos" when you meant to say, "Mi papá tiene 50 años"

      I'm not likely to say either. Google will speak it for me after I speak the English version of the statement into my phone.

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    30. Re: Don't understand by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      When I was in high school, the teacher would confiscate all phones (which you weren't supposed to have anyway, and your parents would have to pay $20 to reclaim it from the principal). She would come around and clear the memory on your TI-83 as well, if you were not using a district provided calculator. There is no reason why these same policies can't be implemented now, other than teachers wanting to avoid the difficult part of their profession- telling kids no. But yes, writing answers on your arm under your sleeve worked just fine too.

    31. Re:Don't understand by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      It's a way to call out "rich" kids and further class warfare.

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    32. Re:Don't understand by mcvos · · Score: 1

      So to cheat effectively, you need something to stare at in the middle distance. I think a less conspicuous descendant of Google Glass may provide just that.

    33. Re:Don't understand by houghi · · Score: 1

      I once told a teacher I was going to cheat. He stll did not catch me. I had a blazer on and a paper with an elastic band that I could pull out and would shoot back when I released it.

      I actually cheated, even though I did not needed to, as I had put more time in making the paper smaller and smaller, so that I learned it anyway. Stupid brain!

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    34. Re: Don't understand by RedShoeRider · · Score: 1

      We had the same policy with the TI calculators. Worked great, until one of the students wrote a "clearing" script that made it appear that the calculator was wiped when, in fact, it was not. Looked just about perfect; none of the teachers caught it.

      What caught the whole system was what catches most systems like this: one student scored way, way higher than he had any right to, was questioned about it, and folded about the scam. That ended the use of "bring your own calculator".

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    35. Re:Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... but as everyone who's ever written an open book test knows, more material is a curse, not a blessing..

      This is largely a true statement: I let students in my Calculus sequence courses use a page of notes (front/back) for most of our exams. It always floors me when a student thinks he/she is going to beat the system by writing in microprint. It never works well..INFORMATION OVERLOAD!!!

      However, these watches present a problem that is not the same as "more material". They are essentially two-way communication devices that allow them to either:
      1. Communicate with someone outside of class (like a buddy who is an expert)
      2. Access many online tools which can provide help which is beyond informational (anyone who has taken a math class in the past decade is probably aware of websites like wolframalpha or symbolab...these websites *solve* problems that *you* give them!).

      I can buy the argument that if your students want a cribsheet, you should just give them one...memorizing facts (beyond a point) is tedious work and doesn't have to be done as much in the real world (what employer asks an employee to do a project "closed-book"!?). However, smartwatches allow for something else entirely...passing off someone (or something) else's work as your own.

    36. Re:Don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It took mad skillz to write small enough on your arm . . .

    37. Re:Don't understand by thewolfkin · · Score: 1

      I once told a teacher I was going to cheat. He stll did not catch me. I had a blazer on and a paper with an elastic band that I could pull out and would shoot back when I released it.

      I actually cheated, even though I did not needed to, as I had put more time in making the paper smaller and smaller, so that I learned it anyway. Stupid brain!

      yep that's the problem with cheating. to do it well enough to be maximized efficient you end up having to know the material to the point where it doesn't make as much sense.

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    38. Re:Don't understand by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      More significant punishment is usually the worst option of reducing any unwanted behavior.

      Yeah but it's the easiest so three guesses what they'll go with.

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    39. Re:Don't understand by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Hit the place with an EMP too

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    40. Re:Don't understand by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Current under tension is equal? Current under tension is expandable? Current under tension is expensive? What does this mean? What does any of it mean? I've covered my body in complete and utter and total absolute nonsense gibberish!

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  3. Social Justice Warriors by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1, Troll

    Why is it in anyway relevant that they are "rich kids"" It's unfair, because "poor kids" cannot also cheat? What about taking them all away, so no one can cheat?

    1. Re:Social Justice Warriors by bagboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll go one further. "Rich kids" because they have an Apple Watch? Really? Now the definition between "rich" and "poor" is based on a $349 device?

    2. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The guy works at a private school in NY. Yes, the kids are rich.

    3. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the other kids get bullied so I guess it is good to have a watch

    4. Re:Social Justice Warriors by deadaluspark · · Score: 2

      It is relevant because the kids who do more successfully in school, and who already have families who are at least somewhat well to do will end up with better credentials than their peers, thus their connections and better (faked) credentials will secure them a better position than their peers who did not cheat. Due to this, you'll end up with a society which is falling apart at the seems because the people managing the society all faked their way to those positions, don't actually know what they're doing, and the people who didn't fake it and DO know what they're doing are stuck doing thankless jobs. Source: I had a friend who was paid to write research papers for people far less intelligent and educated than him, who just happened to have much more money, and who would go on to gruaduate from better schools with better credentials, but HIS work is what got them there. The point is that capital twists and infects everything and undermines any ability of our society to truly be "meritocratic" when the metrics of our merits are skewed by those who use their capital to get ahead in the system.

    5. Re:Social Justice Warriors by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now the definition between "rich" and "poor" is based on a $349 device?

      How to tell the difference between a "rich" kid and a "poor" kid:

      A "rich" kid wears a $349 Apple Watch.

      A "poor" kid wears a pair of $349 Nikes.

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    6. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Came here for this. The title is certainly a little click bait with the inference that a several hundred dollar watch separates the rich from the poor. I am very wealthy and have a 120 dollar casio solar radio controlled watch, and I know many people who make much less than I do with the latest iDoodad. I waste my money on plenty of other things so as not to be critical of choices, but to conclude that you can evaluate the socioeconomic class of a person based on a watch they are wear is ridiculous. Now if is a limited issue swiss watch from the Bern exhibits in the 400K price range, well then maybe, but even then those are all mechanical and you couldn't use them very easily to cheat.

      Also if it is such an issue, how about just making students remove their watch during exams. That doesn't seem like a very complicated solution. Or even better make them put their phone and watch on a table up in the front of the class. When I was in medical school you had to leave your phone up front and it had to be powered off during the test, if it rang or made noise you would fail the exam (probably more compliance than people on airplanes using airplane mode). In 4 years of medical school I never heard 1 phone go off, that's pretty impressive.

      I also agree with the commentor below. If you are writing a good exam, there isn't much you could fit on an easily accessible cheat sheet that would be useful at all. I have seen a couple of Youtube videos of people showing you how to put small pieces of paper with formula written on them inside a click-pen so you can scroll through a few formula, maybe I just don't remember being in 7th grade, but if you have taken the time to write something out that is so brief you probably have it memorized already. In one example they had written a few of the trig identities as an example, but if you know sin^2+cos^2=1 you can just divide though by whatever function you want there really is literally no reason to cheat. You want sec just divide by cos^2 to get tan^2 + 1 = sec^2. But in today's education system so much is put on memorization and not enough is put on actually understanding what you are doing.

    7. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You're looking for some kind of SJW narrative that isn't there and are putting your perceptions/delusions on stage for everyone to see.

      They mention "rich kids" because most normal people can't afford a smart watch, meaning that this type of cheating is more exclusive to the wealthy. In my own experience that's true, in university we had two rich assholes (drove fancy cars, smoked weed 24/7, parents were doctors -- typical worthless human beings) who cheated using their watches. Both were terrible engineers and still graduated because we don't expel foreign (Indian/Chinese 99% of the time) students for any reason, even cheating, in order to get federal funding pumping into the university.

      Anyway, stop being a proto-Nazi brigading piece of shit with all your SJW talk. Guys like you make the rest of us white folk look like fucking monsters. If you want to lick Trump or Hitler's boots, you are welcome to do so, but keep that shit to yourself and your weak-minded brethren.

    8. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Better yet, what about just not trying to control everything everyone does? Why should anyone care if someone cheats? What difference does it make?

    9. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How do you do, fellow white people?"

    10. Re:Social Justice Warriors by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      No reasonable person who is having trouble putting food on the table is buying a $349 watch. Some unreasonable poor people do stupid things, but that doesn't define the metric.

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    11. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol, this has to be the whiniest comment I've ever read online. Quit your bitching, snowflake.

    12. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What other kids? If you goto a private school your parents have money. The 1% that don't are the sports stars. Yes private schools 6-12 are giving away scholarships for sports athletes like colleges. To make their teams better.

    13. Re: Social Justice Warriors by bagboy · · Score: 3

      The headline is misleading and inflammatory. I'm not rich (middle class) and I sent my kids to private school for a better education than the crap public education system. People can make choices and sacrifice (ie, I didn't pay for garbage cable TV and other such nonsense) to send their kids to private school.

    14. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No cheating is on the rules

      If you want open book tests start your own schools.

    15. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're one guy working at one school. A for-pay school at that.

      If I look around the world from my front porch, the entire world is made up of white people all over the age of 40, the unemployment rate is 0%, the rate of home and car ownership is 100% . Does that make my observations fact?

      Oh, BTW, global warming is a myth. My observation was that the entire world was also many degrees below normal the past couple weeks.

    16. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      I was unaware it was possible to see skin color in arbitrary textual content.

      Fucking piece of shit.

    17. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Funny

      A poor kid has his cheat sheet scotch-taped to the back of their Timex.

    18. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tl;dr
      Because it reinforces the SJW Socialist ideal which states that people only have more than you because they are filthy lying cheaters.

    19. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      A "rich" kid wears a $349 Apple Watch.

      A "poor" kid wears a pair of $349 Nikes.

      That was probably meant as a a joke but wow, that is incredibly racist. Go ahead, hide behind your words... you never mentioned race, you didn't mean it that way, it was just a joke. Everyone knows exactly what the meaning was beyond the literal words. What kind of poor kids wear expensive Nikes now? Care to explain?

      I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't have ill intent. From your perspective, it's just funny or "recognizing a truth people won't admit" or something asinine like that. Understand that not everyone sees it that way. It's easy to joke about poor ghetto kids when you come from a position of privilege. Not so funny when you've seen all the ways the system stacks the deck against them.

      For the record, it's not even accurate. Poor kids are lucky to have a $30 pair of shoes and enough to eat at night. False stereotypes about ghetto kids just make privileged people sleep better ("it's their own fault they're so poor!").

      Walk a mile in a kid's shoes before you pretend to understand him.

    20. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Iconoclysm · · Score: 1

      This is easily one of the stupidest comments I've ever read on the Internet. What difference does it make?!?!?

    21. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Kohath · · Score: 1

      And yet you have no answer

    22. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, you're the idiot that's wrong with America.

      The person you're speaking of is trying to help the kids. A great way to do that is to avoid public schools and loser kids like yours.

    23. Re: Social Justice Warriors by bagboy · · Score: 1

      Boy that's a lot of assumptions. I did not go into debt to pay for it. I actually lived within my means. And the attitude and demeanor of your posting is a better indicator of who is a "prick".

    24. Re:Social Justice Warriors by bluelip · · Score: 1

      Wow, you are an idiot. Stereotypes exist for a reason.

      It looks like Nike sponsors section 8 housing.

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    25. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Livius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      that is incredibly racist.

      you never mentioned race

      Something isn't racist merely because it (possibly) has some correlation with race.

      Misusing words like 'racist' makes fighting actual racism harder, not easier.

    26. Re:Social Justice Warriors by clovis · · Score: 1

      Better yet, what about just not trying to control everything everyone does? Why should anyone care if someone cheats? What difference does it make?

      There are several reasons we care about cheating in school, and it has to do with why we give tests and grade them in the first place.
      It mostly has to do with the fact that society is competitive and there is not enough to go around, so we want to give resources to the people who will do the best job with those resources. People who cheat can get the rewards that should have gone to a more talented and hard working non-cheater.

      And secondly, society is harmed when people get into positions for which they are not competent and later have to be fired because work is not getting done..
      Society cares because no one wants a doctor that cheated his way through and does not actually know the content.
      Society does not want to have engineers designing buildings that have pieces fall off because the engineer got hired on the basis of grades that promised skills he doesn't actually have.
      An employer does not want to have an assistant for a job that requires knowledge of a second language, if that person had cheated his way through the courses.

      On a personal level, people who cheat can get better grades than people who do not cheat, given similar levels of talent. If they have better grades than you, they get into better schools (or grad school) that have more opportunities for the social contacts necessary for getting the best jobs.

    27. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes they do exist for a reason. That reason is that people are full of shit.

    28. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Kohath · · Score: 1

      It mostly has to do with the fact that society is competitive and there is not enough to go around,

      Learning is unlimited.

      Society cares because no one wants a doctor that cheated his way through and does not actually know the content.

      If a cheater could genuinely make it all the way through medical school without knowing the material, then your medical school system is a sham.

      ...engineers ... an assistant...etc.

      I don't believe stories like this. If an employer can be fooled into hiring someone dumb, that employer needs to learn how to not be a fool. If an engineer can fool the other engineers over and over and over, enough times to build something that gets past them and then breaks, then honest mistakes will get past them too. Be better at your job.

      On a personal level, people who cheat can get better grades than people who do not cheat, given similar levels of talent. If they have better grades than you, they get into better schools (or grad school) that have more opportunities for the social contacts necessary for getting the best jobs.

      Smart, talented, hard-working people succeed, regardless of whether someone else cheats. If someone enjoys some additional success, in addition to being smart and talented and hard-working, then it's because they are additionally skilled at something people value, even if the specifics make you frown.

      I understand that some people have status anxiety and want to guard the integrity of their personal status by excluding others -- especially when they think they have a good reason. You guys should all get over it. If you want higher status, be more valuable to your fellow man rather than finding a righteous justification to keep your fellow man down.

    29. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all, it may be racist in a particular American context. Being from Europe my understanding was that a "rich" kid spends a lot of money on a non-essential gadget, while the "poor" kid spends these money or a more essential thing like a pair of shoes. Sure, $350 for a pair of shoes is a bit expensive, but because everyone wants to be "premium" everything is expensive these days.

    30. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes you are full of shit.

    31. Re: Social Justice Warriors by evil_aaronm · · Score: 1

      I appreciate freedom of choice and all, but you could've been more magnanimous and gotten involved in your local "crap" public education system to make it better for all. It's really not hard. Every spring - assuming you're in the US - your local board of education has a seat or two open. In my district, 100 signatures on a petition got me on the ballot. Even if you don't win, you could attend public BOE sessions and offer constructive criticism. At most of our meetings, we had almost zero public participation. Everyone assumes "someone else" will do it. Why not you? You pay taxes for this service in any case; you might as well try to make it better.

    32. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At my kids private school, an large number of kids who are on scholarship of some kind have the latest Apple phones. Most of the kids not getting any aid have old, cheaper, or both, phones.

      I don't got angry about it but when you see the kids with the iPhone X, the salon nails, the expensive and hard to maintain hair style, it is always the kids getting free lunch and scholarship tuition.

      The kids from middle class families are working they asses of to get grades that get them a little aid in college (these are my kids). The rich kids screw around, do hard drugs and get passed anyway.

      It's a good bet the kid with an apple watch is a poor kid. Rich kids think an apple watch is passee and so yesterday. The rich kids will be fine, their kids will suffer for it but the kids off today will be fine.

    33. Re:Social Justice Warriors by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      A "poor" kid wears a pair of $349 Nikes.

      If your kid paid $349 for Nikes he's not poor, he's incredibly dumb.

      Posted while wearing a set of Nikes that cost 1/3rd of that.

    34. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Misusing words like 'racist' makes fighting actual racism harder, not easier."

      That's the point. Accusations of racism are awesome tools to create division when none exist.

    35. Re: Social Justice Warriors by bagboy · · Score: 1

      While I don't disagree, the unfortunate principals of being public means that you have to cater to the lowest common denominator. My wife worked as a TA for a local public middle school. She tried to make meaningful contributions, but quit when it became apparent that catering to the minority meant that a special needs child, bedridden due to a genetic disorder of some sort, was to be accommodated in the regular classroom scenario so they could feel "normal". This also meant my wife, who is not a nurse, would be required to change his diaper throughout the day. The parents were affluent lawyers and my guess is the district caved rather than face a lawsuit. The public system is broken in so many ways and the number one issue is threats of lawsuits. Private education can set their own rules generally, so you know going in what you get and the contract you sign indicates you agree to their policies. Did I pay twice so my kids could be educated? Yes. But at least I knew how they were being educated and agreed to the school's policies.

    36. Re:Social Justice Warriors by quenda · · Score: 1

      We have the same stereotype where I live: poor, dumb, single-parent, welfare, expensive shoes and chunky gold necklace, drugs and crime.
      Except I'm not in America, and there are few blacks, so that whole description here is about social class and not tied to race. Not like in most of the US, anyway.

      It was a bit racist of the AC grandparent to make the connection, but I suppose it is hard to live where he is, without automatically associating class and race.

    37. Re:Social Justice Warriors by clovis · · Score: 1

      Smart, talented, hard-working people succeed, regardless of whether someone else cheats

      That's so astonishing ignorant of the real world it makes me embarrassed that I had replied to you.

    38. Re:Social Justice Warriors by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Who has the Casio F-91W?

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    39. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      In China to be rich you need two (2) apple watches for your dog.

    40. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Kohath · · Score: 1

      I guess I know a lot of successful people and I also knew people who cheated. The cheating didn’t prevent the success. If you think the two things are mutually exclusive, then yeah, it's hard to have a conversation about unreality.

    41. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello sir, this is the Irony Police. We'd like to have a few words. Why don't you take a seat.

    42. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how you think this helps people buy into your side of the argument. It's just adorable in a red-faced shouty kinda way.

    43. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You obviously arent familiar with sneaker fans. It isn't just for black people. The only racism I see is from you.

    44. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of seems like you're the piece of shit not to stand up to cheating even if it meant losing funding.

      The problem is in the mirror.

    45. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now the definition between "rich" and "poor" is based on a $349 device?

      How to tell the difference between a "rich" kid and a "poor" kid:

      A "rich" kid wears a $349 Apple Watch.

      A "poor" kid wears a pair of $349 Nikes.

      of course... Apple devices are the defintiion of being rich or not... does not matter what an Apple device costs or how usefull it is... the important thing is the logo that signals that you are rich

      A "rich" kid wears a $179 refurbished Apple iPhone 6 up his ibum.

      A "poor" kid uses a $1250 Samsung Galaxy Note 9.

      because Apple automagically equals rich and android automagically equals pooor :-)

    46. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people are $500 away from being bankrupt. That's the REAL world, not fantasy land where everyone is fine and dandy.

    47. Re:Social Justice Warriors by geekymachoman · · Score: 1

      > How to tell the difference between a "rich" kid and a "poor" kid:
      > A "rich" kid wears a $349 Apple Watch.
      > A "poor" kid wears a pair of $349 Nikes.

      I was poor when I was young. My parents had a saying ... "I'm too poor to buy knock off cheap stuff".

    48. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I'll go one further. "Rich kids" because they have an Apple Watch? Really? Now the definition between "rich" and "poor" is based on a $349 device?

      Pretty much. I'm not rich or poor, comfortably middle, and there is no way I'd buy my kids a $349 device! I wouldn't buy one myself, most expensive "goods"I've probably ever purchased for myself besides car/house is a $200 used kayak (would have been $1500 new), and a $220 smart phone.

      If you really think "$349" is "nothing" then you're rich, even if you don't know it. (or don't have kids so have plenty of disposable income)

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    49. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Duh! Forgot my computer of course which I put together for about $600... clearly more than the price of the watch.

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    50. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      It was a bit racist of the AC grandparent to make the connection, but I suppose it is hard to live where he is, without automatically associating class and race.

      I'm a little confused and feel like I'm missing a joke (probably a racist one that I don't want to know), or some pop culture reference.

      What exactly was it that was said that was racist? Is there some sort of stereotype that white people don't wear "sneakers". White people wear trainers too, always have, is this a new taboo? Is white people wearing "sneakers" considered cultural appropriation or something now. What the hell are white people supposed to wear when playing sports now if we're not supposed to wear trainers? Are white people supposed to play tennis in cowboy boots or something?

      This has all got just a little too absurd.

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    51. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. I am a working adult and don't have the budget for a $350 watch, much less another one for my child . I also don't go around stealing Mercedes Benz hood ornaments to hang on my neck. It's the same shallow consumerist mindset. A total waste of time and a financial risk.

    52. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something isn't racist merely because it (possibly) has some correlation with race.

      The OP goes way beyond merely suggesting a correlation and steers firmly into racist territory.

      Example: Observing that minorities typically have lower average scores on IQ tests is not inherently racist; it's simply a data point. However, citing that fact to imply that minorities are less intelligent is racist*. Context matters.
      * (it's long been known that a host of socioeconomic and cultural factors affect the outcome of the tests - which aren't even a good measure of intelligence anyway)

      Here, the OP didn't simply observe that poor kids sometimes buy expensive shoes. He used it as a joke, contrasting it with rich kids buying apple watches. The humor comes from the reader's sense of superiority over those poor dumb inner city kids, wasting their money on status symbols.

      Intentional or not, it reinforces the notion that poor people deserve to be poor because they're too dumb to spend wisely. And in US culture, the image of poor kids buying sneakers undoubtedly conjures up images of inner city minorities. Hence, racist. Context matters.

      Misusing words like 'racist' makes fighting actual racism harder, not easier.

      Couldn't agree more. Perhaps you should invest in a dictionary before you misuse any more.

    53. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had a cheap Timex and some cheap New Balance. Was I from the ultra-poor? Shit, now I have no watch and I'm wearing cheap Skechers.

    54. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Accusations of racism are awesome tools to create division when none exist.

      You know what else they're good for? Opening people's eyes to consider other perspectives they didn't think of before. At least if they're not too close minded to actually listen and hear what others are saying. Unfortunately most people hear the word "racist" and their brains shut off into defensive mode.

      Saying something racist doesn't mean you're a racist. It means your words had a divisive effect and you may want to reconsider their meaning.

      Continuing to say racist things after understanding why they are divisive, that does make you a racist. But that's not where we are.

      Open your ears and listen to other perspectives. We could all use more of that.

    55. Re:Social Justice Warriors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What exactly was it that was said that was racist? Is there some sort of stereotype that white people don't wear "sneakers". White people wear trainers too

      You're either borderline autistic and completely ignorant of social context, or willfully dodging the issue. I guess the latter.

      We're not talking about sneakers. We're talking about poor kids spending $350 on shoes. That conjures up a very specific image in the US, one that involves inner city minorities. White people playing tennis couldn't possibly be more irrelevant.

      But you already knew that. What you don't understand is why the OP's comments can be hurtful. Open your ears and listen to other perspectives. We could all use more of that.

    56. Re: Social Justice Warriors by Camembert · · Score: 1

      I fully agree - you made a reasonable comment and got anymous coward bile in return.

    57. Re:Social Justice Warriors by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      It was a bit racist of the AC grandparent to make the connection, but I suppose it is hard to live where he is, without automatically associating class and race.

      I'm a little confused and feel like I'm missing a joke (probably a racist one that I don't want to know), or some pop culture reference.

      What exactly was it that was said that was racist? Is there some sort of stereotype that white people don't wear "sneakers". White people wear trainers too, always have, is this a new taboo? Is white people wearing "sneakers" considered cultural appropriation or something now. What the hell are white people supposed to wear when playing sports now if we're not supposed to wear trainers? Are white people supposed to play tennis in cowboy boots or something?

      This has all got just a little too absurd.

      Probably something to do with nike and that footballer guy and that believe in something campaign they did. That would be my guess anyway.

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  4. Bad exam design ... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Design the exams like university level exams, where a cheat (equation) sheet is allowed, but you actually need to understand the material to finish the exam in time. regurgitation based exams are stupid.

    1. Re:Bad exam design ... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      What kind of equations did you use in History? There are plenty of subjects where that kind of test just isn't possible. Even in sciences (gross anatomy comes to mind, had lots of memorization in that one).

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    2. Re: Bad exam design ... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      History -- make them write about why and how, not when, to prevent cheating.

    3. Re:Bad exam design ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What kind of equations did you use in History?

      LargeInequality = revolution

    4. Re: Bad exam design ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The system is designed to raise retards, future slaves.

    5. Re:Bad exam design ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      forcedequality = collapse

    6. Re:Bad exam design ... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Most societies that trended towards extreme inequality collapsed within a few decades. French and Russian Revolutions are cases in point.

    7. Re:Bad exam design ... by fermion · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Fundamentally the issue here is not that students are cheating, but that tests are designed the same way there were 50 years ago, and are measuring the same kind of useless knowledge that lead to the problems we have in the 1970's.

      Take the Advanced Placement exams, from the college board. These are college level exams where you have all the knowledge in front of you, and you need to understand the application to get a high score. However, the test is ultimately measuring your ability to fill in the correct bubble so any rational person, if they can, is simply going to get a list of correct answer choices and fill them in. Yes, many tests have a written section so you must know something, but on many AP tests the written section is not the limiting factor.

      if you are not interested in rank and file, but knowledge, then there are a number of innovated ways that one can ask questions in a computer based exam that both give an somewhat individualized test to each student and can be graded automatically. The student can be given all the content, and can even be allowed to 'cheat' to find other content, but the cheating is not free. I costs time and points as the students will not be able to complete as many questions as the student that is familiar with the subject.

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    8. Re:Bad exam design ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and look how both of those turned out. It may take longer to collapse but leftists still managed to fuck up France and Russia.

      Knowledge is power - do not trend towards high inequality or force equality. That is like choosing between fascism and communism. Both horrible, both end up in the same place.

    9. Re: Bad exam design ... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      When, where, and who can be important factors in history though.

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    10. Re:Bad exam design ... by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my current exams, I let the students use all lecture slides and their own notes and their own summary of the lecture. Does not have any impact on results, but the students learn more because they revise the material better this way. One student even commented in the eval that he expected the lecture summary he did to be quite useful in the future. We are in the information age, even if many teachers and lecturers have not realized that. Restricting access to information too much, giving too little time, etc. are just very bad ways to increase exam difficulty. They are easy to do though, so they are a favorite of intellectually lazy teachers.

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    11. Re:Bad exam design ... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      This.

      Seriously, if your test is about fact regurgitation that can easily be replaced by 5 seconds of google search, don't be surprised when people just do that.

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    12. Re:Bad exam design ... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What were the events leading up to World War One, and why could a simple assassination of a heir to the throne start a world wide war?

      Trust me, I'll know exactly whether you know anything about it or whether you wikipedia'd it from your answer. And yes, this is probably the only one, or maybe one of two, questions for a one hour exam. Because to explain this all you HAVE to know European history of the 19th century (and basically write a summary of it), and you better know it well.

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    13. Re:Bad exam design ... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You think that the French Revolution led to a leftist government?

      So it's true what I get to hear about the school system? Are we really fucked beyond repair?

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    14. Re: Bad exam design ... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Why did the Harappa disappear? How did the transition from stone to bronze occur?

    15. Re:Bad exam design ... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Most societies that trended towards extreme inequality collapsed within a few decades.

      Like Rome, Greece, the Ottomans, Chinese dynasties and the Japanese feudal system?

    16. Re:Bad exam design ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have an awfully extensive vocabulary for someone who values memorization so poorly.

    17. Re:Bad exam design ... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Erm, you throw around words you don't grasp.

      Stalin was a fascist just like Hitler ... ooops, has nothing to do with communism.
      The communists in Laos or Vietnam never committed any crimes, ooops, you did not know that?

      The emperor of China were fascists, ooops, you did not know that? After the revolution the winner of the civil war picked "communism". Why? Because the armies from democratic countries like the french from Lao and Vietnam or the british from Parkistan or along the coasts looted and plundered the country. How convincing for a nation that just had a civil war over a revolution to pick such a system ... why would anyone copy/pick the political system of an enemy he finally mastered to defeat?

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    18. Re:Bad exam design ... by ranton · · Score: 2

      What kind of equations did you use in History? There are plenty of subjects where that kind of test just isn't possible. Even in sciences (gross anatomy comes to mind, had lots of memorization in that one).

      Others have already pointed out there are much better ways to test knowledge of history than to ask what year Columbus sailed the ocean blue.

      It isn't always just poor test design. Often it is poor curriculum design too. If your history test only tests an amount of knowledge you can fit on a cheat sheet, you are only asking for cramming of information (into either their brain or cheat sheet). If you really care that much about memorization, and this is actually important enough information to know long term, test randomly on any material you have covered so far that semester. Don't give an opportunity to study/cram for tests, or an opportunity to build cheat sheets.

      The best college classes I had almost always had open book exams. If you needed to use the book extensively, you would never finish the test on time.

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    19. Re:Bad exam design ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of my exams you were allowed to bring anything you wanted, including books, calculators, whatever.
      Except for phones, laptops, or other communication devices of course.

    20. Re: Bad exam design ... by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      Important to remember? Not really.

      24 June 1812 – 14 December 1812, Russia, Napoleon?

      Who and where might be a minimum to look up the date, but are the exact numbers as important as the realities of continuing to invade Russia in winter, or what lessons other "determined leaders" might learn from not being able to reassess your goals in changing circumstances?

    21. Re:Bad exam design ... by apoc.famine · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Except that teachers often are told that they can't assess like that, because students need a clear-cut answer. Because subjectively grading that might lead to bias, and it would be better to have a multiple choice test with well defined answers so that nobody can complain about unfair grading.

      If we could let teachers be professionals and hold them to high standards, without parental or student interference, that would really help. Unfortunately, we don't pay most public school teachers enough to get great ones, and a lot of administrators (and teachers themselves) aren't interested in fighting asshole parents who often are looking for As for their kid and are seeking any way to manipulate the system to get them.

      If your kid fails a multiple choice test, the best you can do is argue that the question was vague or the answer options were wrong. Both are fairly easy to counter-argue. If your kid fails a 1 hr essay on why the Maginot line was ineffective, you can attack that from all sorts of angles including bias on the part of the teacher, and them asking kids for something that doesn't have a well-defined answer. And parents (at least in the US) are insane enough that some will throw fits in the school or district office, and show up at school board meetings to shit on a teacher who didn't give their kid an A. And who will sue everyone even tangentially involved.

      This leads schools to dissuade this sort of very good exam writing in favor of cut-and-dried shit that would easily stand up in court. Yet another fantastic knock-on effect of the US legal system!

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    22. Re:Bad exam design ... by novakyu · · Score: 1

      But that would require that teachers actually understand the subject. That is patently unfair and unreasonable!

    23. Re:Bad exam design ... by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      And how do you grade 150 of those and stay within budget?

      In most Universities you use free labor from grad students, but that sort of cheat is not available to ordinary High Schools.

    24. Re:Bad exam design ... by NicBenjamin · · Score: 1

      Are you a teacher?

      If yes, please tell me which school district gives you a class size small enough that you can actually pull that shit off in a non-AP class.

    25. Re:Bad exam design ... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      One outside the US, where teaching still happens.

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    26. Re:Bad exam design ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This is one of the reasons why there was a move towards coursework instead of exams back in the 90s. Measure performance over a longer period of time, factoring in things like the student's willingness to learn and fill in gaps in their knowledge when required. Also helps prevent transient problems like illness causing life-long disadvantage or a culture of re-sits.

      The oft cited problem is that it's very easy to cheat on coursework, but there are ways to handle that.

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    27. Re:Bad exam design ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I remember history classes, regurgitation was usually enough for a C in high school, but you needed to form your own thoughts about the situation if you wanted to get an A. (Sure, you could probably just read enough other books on the topic in your free time, and regurgitate what you learned there. But if someone "cheats" by reading a lot, I'm happy with that result.)

    28. Re:Bad exam design ... by fermion · · Score: 1

      It is also often very expensive to grade and can subject students to the cultural biases of the grader or instructor. This is why, for instance, more than one person grades the written part of the GRE and more grade it if there is more than one point difference. Expensive. The goal is to keep the efficiency and maximize the objectivity of the test while acknowledging that cheating occurs.

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    29. Re: Bad exam design ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who Hammurabi, including his name is of no importance. When his code of law was created or written down, likewise. What matters is what contained, how it changed society, and what other considerations could have influenced the result.

      We glorify people because we fear our mortality. We think by claiming these people were important that they, and thus we can, live on after death. This is a fallacy. Dead is dead and while their contributions, for ill or gain, may be important, the person isn't.

      Names and dates are pointless. Simply busy work to occupy those that can't learn.

    30. Re:Bad exam design ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fundamentally the issue here is not that students are cheating, but that tests are designed the same way there were 50 years ago, and are measuring the same kind of useless knowledge that lead to the problems we have in the 1970's

      True: 50 years ago, the educational system started going to sh*t. Have a look at some of the tests from late 19th and early 20th century US and Europe.

      if you are not interested in rank and file, but knowledge, then there are a number of innovated ways that one can ask questions in a computer based exam that both give an somewhat individualized test to each student and can be graded automatically.

      You'd think that given the massive increase in per student spending, educators could actually do their job and grade essays and long form answers, like they used to.

    31. Re: Bad exam design ... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Sorry, invading who? Russia is a "where" so try again, with no who, what, when, or where, just why.

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    32. Re:Bad exam design ... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      OK, explain that, without a who, what, when, or where. Love to see it. After all, no memorizing facts!

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    33. Re:Bad exam design ... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      OK, explain the start of WWI, without any of those pesky who, what, when, and where facts we burden students to remember. Please.

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    34. Re:Bad exam design ... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What do you mean without who, what, when or where? You are of course allowed to present facts, after all you're expected to explain your conclusions, but simply rattling down facts won't do.

      I don't want a cooking recipe, I want the finished cake!

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    35. Re:Bad exam design ... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      But you shouldn't force students to memorize facts like who, what, when where, per the OP's premise. My point is those facts are important to the bigger picture. History isn't physics. One size for teaching doesn't fit all subjects.

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    36. Re:Bad exam design ... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Whether the Prussian-Franco-War was in 1870/71 or a decade earlier or later doesn't matter in its effect on the two nations and their animosities, which were one of the reasons why the pacts at the wake of WW1 were the way they were. Why was England allied with France, which was a colonial rival? Why was Russia not allied with Prussia, despite the familiar ties between the ruling houses there and Bismark's near-pathological fear of a two front war? Worse, why was Russia allied with France AND England, two of the nations it was at war with over the Crimea only a few decades earlier? Why the alliance between Prussia and Austria-Hungary, two countries that were bitter rivals over the supremacy in Germany? What made Italy (or Piedmont-Sardinia, if you want to nitpick) switch sides? How did the US get dragged into it later, and how did one Roosevelt's foreign policy before WW1 affect another Roosevelt's headaches with his attempt to go to WW2?

      NONE of these things require you to know a single date. Yes, you'd have to have a general knowledge of events, but guess what, that's what I'm looking for: The ability to put events into perspective and see how they affect each other.

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    37. Re:Bad exam design ... by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Not just dates. Places. People. FACTS. There are a lot of FACTS required to understand and communicate the why. You cannot do one without the other.

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    38. Re:Bad exam design ... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I want you to know MORE than mere places, people and dates. I want you to UNDERSTAND what they mean. Without understanding what it entails, it means jack shit that both Maria Therese of Austria and Frederick II of Prussia came to power in 1740. Hell, without understanding where the House Hanover (which is probably better known as the House of Stuart) has its origin the participation of the French in the independence war of the US makes no sense.

      People and moreover countries do things for a reason. They don't act randomly, and if we don't teach those reasons to our kids, some conspiracy nut will gladly fill the void, as we can so easily see everywhere today.

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  5. racked up more than 115,000 views by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Well, that is the idea, no? The content is hardly controversial.

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    1. Re: racked up more than 115,000 views by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and since you can download it from that site without the government stopping you it must be okay.

  6. I cheated on my metaphysics exam by Potor · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... I looked into the soul of the girl beside me. (Woody Allen)

    1. Re: I cheated on my metaphysics exam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She was in the next row actually

    2. Re:I cheated on my metaphysics exam by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 0

      ... I looked into the soul of the girl beside me. (Woody Allen)

      Then he married her.

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    3. Re:I cheated on my metaphysics exam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First he fucked her, then waited until she was old enough to marry.

    4. Re: I cheated on my metaphysics exam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They married when she was 27.

  7. nothing new by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

    I was in high school 30 years ago and I cheated during an exam by wearing a long-sleeve shirt and passing the wire of an ear bud in there. Then I listened to my home-made "audio book" of Canadian history on my crappy Candle portable cassette player.
    I got real good at pressing the buttons quietly!

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    1. Re:nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Likewise 30 odd years ago, I used to use a programmable calculator (which didn't cost anywhere near the price of an iwatch, I might add) to remember the formulae in maths and electronics.

      The thing I really learned was that once I'd spent the time writing the formulas into my calculator, I could remember them just fine without it. I'd remember them long enough to do the exams the next day and then would (generally) forget them unless they were actually useful.

  8. Bad school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your school allows you to keep smart watches when it matters most (like exams), they are a terrible school and you should feel free to cheat.
    My nephew's school added in the policy LONG ago, even before the Apple Watch first came out, that Watches and other electronic devices are not allowed during exams. The whole thing is also filmed from multiple angles including top down so they can make sure nobody is cheating during and after.

    1. Re:Bad school by gweihir · · Score: 1

      No communication devices, no computing devices. The exam must be your work.

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  9. Calculator watches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who knew this is an actual story... again

  10. Trim but flunked by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    I tried to use a Fitbit to cheat, but having to move my legs gave it away.

  11. The lazy poor deserve lower grades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just need to put off upgrading their iPhone every year and then they could afford to cheat like he rich kids. Why are the poor so lazy and stupid! #MAGA

  12. what to make some money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a useful item would be a cell phone &/or wifi blocker that operates at about classroom size (maybe 30'x30'). Make it so that a teacher can turn it on/off. Have it be visible with a red-light to indicate it is powered and on.

    Of course, FCC has to give permission for schools to use them, but they really are needed.

    1. Re: what to make some money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you put it in the middle of the room or just near the students who cheat you do not even need so much range.

  13. Apple Watch != "rich" by slasher999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    An Apple Watch may not be cheap, but having one hardly makes anyone rich. We really have a strange way of measuring wealth in this country.

    1. Re: Apple Watch != "rich" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they were poor, they would be using Android.

    2. Re:Apple Watch != "rich" by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      An Apple Watch may not be cheap, but having one hardly makes anyone rich.

      Not being rich generally makes a person not have an Apple Watch, though -- because an Apple Watch is the kind of frivolous purchase people make only when they have extra money to burn.

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    3. Re:Apple Watch != "rich" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's reasonable to draw some conclusions about the disposable income of a family if you're buying an Apple Watch for a 12 year old. Any financially organized adult could save up the couple hundred dollars to get one. It is just an expensive style accessory. For a kid, though? Really?

    4. Re:Apple Watch != "rich" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Studies found more women purchased the Apple Watch. Apple users were typically more liberal. It would be interesting to get down to the raw data for this cheating demographic the article discusses.

      http://info.localytics.com/blog/smartphones-new-weapon-in-battle-for-swing-states

      Slashdot article from 2011:
      https://politics.slashdot.org/story/11/04/23/2353251/mac-users-more-liberal-than-windows-users

    5. Re: Apple Watch != "rich" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android has a higher conservative user rate than Apple so you are partially right. Just gotta be liberal to be more likely to cheat? Right?

    6. Re:Apple Watch != "rich" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a $399 watch. They are talking about middle schoolers having them.

    7. Re:Apple Watch != "rich" by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      The "poor" kids know that they can only compete on actual merit, and they have more to lose if they cheat. The "rich" kids will just coast along using whatever means they fancy, while their fathers take care of their future careers.

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    8. Re:Apple Watch != "rich" by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      There's a world of difference between the definitions certain people use for "poor" in order to rag on the "rich" and the actual *poor* who can't afford food or clothing.

      In the UK, what most people seem to define as "poor" seems to include a lot of people who have large screen TVs, decent smartphones, smoke a pack a day, drink to excess etc.

      Which is why I take articles such as these with a huge dose of salt.

    9. Re:Apple Watch != "rich" by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      An Apple Watch may not be cheap, but having one hardly makes anyone rich. We really have a strange way of measuring wealth in this country.

      Is an Apple watch someone people buy on their own? I've never seen an Apple watch that wasn't paired with a top of the line smartphone.

    10. Re:Apple Watch != "rich" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your definition of being poor only includes people struggling to survive, then there are very, very few poor people on the entire planet.

      Does a rural Chinese farmer who has an annual income of $400 count as not poor because he has all the food, clothing, and booze he wants?

      Is a person who makes $70,000 in San Francisco but typically cant afford to eat the day before payday poor?

      The problem with your definition and people like you is that you refuse to treat people as struggling until they are on the cusp of death. Then conveniently "it's too late to do anything" absolves you of any guilt.

    11. Re: Apple Watch != "rich" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that doesn't sound too entitled, does it? "I have a giant TV, but chose to live in San Fran where the poverty level is 50% above my warning potential so I can't buy Starbucks until u get paid Friday.". Cry us a river.

    12. Re:Apple Watch != "rich" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. There are so many things you want before the apple watch. The iPhone, the Mac, the iPad... And then there are siblings. Most families can afford an apple watch - but one for each kid? After providing them with iPhones first?

  14. Kohath thinks cheating is a virtue, shoot him dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Uneducated faggot fraud Kohath doesn't understand why veritas in education and cheating are incompatible, news at 11 when Trump goes to prison for having zero integrity, just like the faggot Kohath - the circle of retard is complete."

  15. You are testing wrong by aepervius · · Score: 1

    A good test is not for rote knowledge, it will test your understanding of the material. In fact in the uni we were left all physic books we wanted, we were asked to form a reasoning over the question given, formulate an answer, and apply what we could to form a conclusion based on the presented points - you would be surprised on how many people fell through and could not answer porperly. Basically asking you if you remember what equation X,Y,Z looks like and spit out the correct response, is stupid, rote knowledge does not help. And this is not solely related to STEM, in history/geo/philo/art there is a lot which can be done on understanding material rather than rote knowledge. Rote knowledge anyway is best replaced/fulfilled by by computer system. What is better is to show you can make research, understand the material, and explain it back. And as such an apple watch should NOT help - if you were testing for the correct thing. If you are testing for rote knowledge, then a well trained monkey can help.

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    1. Re:You are testing wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not testing on the basics, and denigrating those as "rote knowledge", has results such as:

      - Not being able to spell words like "university", "physics", "geography", etc.
      - Not being able to use common idioms such as "surprised at".
      - Use of run-on sentences.
      - Use of repeated prepositions like "by by".
      - Lack of necessary articles.

      Etc., etc.

  16. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cheated with my TI-85 back in the day. Now Iâ(TM)m a 1%er. One the girls that I helped cheat is now a science teacher.

    1. Re:So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One the girls that I helped cheat is now a science teacher.

      By cheating she learned about how the education system works ... and became a teacher.

      Had she actually learned the subject matter she could have become a scientist.

      Kind of a sad story, really.

    2. Re: So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those who can...do

      Those who can't...teach

  17. Re:what to make some money? by pete6677 · · Score: 1

    FCC won't even give prisons authority to operate signal blockers. Good luck ever getting it for schools. Next movie theaters would want it, then owners of snobby restaurants. FCC does not want to open that pandora's box.

  18. Um... you can buy an Apple watch for $99 bucks by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    if you buy last gen.

    Then again maybe it's only the rich kids with connections that get away with it. There's not a teacher alive who doesn't spot every cheat device you can think of. Even the drunk ones (they just don't particularly care)

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    1. Re:Um... you can buy an Apple watch for $99 bucks by Crash+Dummy+Redux · · Score: 1

      I used to buy $0.99 plastic watches from the drug store as a kid. Too many times I would smash the watch against something and the liquid would dribble out of the cracked LCD. When I worked in construction for a few years, cement dust jammed the buttons. That wasn't a problem until the next daylight savings time change.

  19. "hate" by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    "students were thanking me [in the comments], and teachers were hating on me"

    You know, it is possible for someone to disagree with you without being a "hater".

    1. Re: "hate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a 15 year old kid, so yes, everyone to him, is a hater

  20. "European" accent? by YuppieScum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Really? A "European" accent?

    Can they mean "speaks Spanish like a Spaniard rather than a Mexican/Puerto Rican/American/etc," or "speaks English with a Spanish, rather than Mexican/etc accent."

    Or perhaps it means they are unable to distinguish between the accents of the Spanish, Greeks, Italians, French, Germans, Poles, Finns, Swedes or British, let alone the regions thereof? (other European countries are available)

    Whatever they mean, it adds nothing to the actual story and serves only to demonstrate the laziness and ignorance of this "journalist," and the ineptitude of the editorial oversight processes of this "publication."

    Sorry, but this sort of thing really pisses me off - if copy like this came across my desk (OK, so it wouldn't actually, but you know what I mean), words would be had... probably starting with "bollocks."

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    1. Re:"European" accent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, "bollocks" you say ? I'm definitely detecting a European accent, possibly an insular-soon-to-be-somewhat-less-European accent ????

    2. Re:"European" accent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here to comment on this. As a Swede, I can tell you that even a Swede and a Dane will have different accents when speaking English. The Americans think for some reason that because Europeans look more or less similar we somehow have a shared culture and identity.

      Also, 20 year old a kid!? What the hell!?

    3. Re:"European" accent? by YuppieScum · · Score: 1

      Methinks someone is confusing politics and geography...

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    4. Re:"European" accent? by houghi · · Score: 1

      I could comment, but I don't like the Godwin Law.

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    5. Re:"European" accent? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If someone from Germany learns English in Sweden, their accent while speaking English is decidedly "European" to an American ear, because the German person learned to speak British English from a Swede. It's very strange. Another unusual accent is an Indian who has spent years in Australia, making their accent less British.

  21. Smaller class sizes by wickerprints · · Score: 1

    It's all too predictable that most comments are focusing on the "rich" versus "poor" debate, which completely sidesteps the real issue of the lack of quality education in American K-12 schools.

    This is why smaller class sizes are important, not because smaller classes are easier to manage in the classroom, but because they enable instructors to actually devise and grade homework and tests that aren't easy to cheat. I see the comments that call for such tests, but fail to appreciate that in a high school environment, a single teacher could have well over 200 students, with no TAs. Imagine having to grade 200 exams on top of a full classroom schedule. Each assignment is a mountain of work to grade, especially if carefully designed to test understanding. And then to craft them so that they are different for each class, and sometimes different forms within a class.... A university professor has the benefit of graders, TAs, a teaching schedule that is more relaxed, and more mature students with fewer behavioral problems that require parent-teacher interaction.

    I don't fucking care about whether Apple Watches are a sign of social class, or the political subtext such a statement might imply for the reader. The fact that we have cheating facilitated by technology is nothing new. The point is that teachers in America are expected to impart valuable critical thinking and reasoning skills to the next generation while being paid paltry salaries compared to far less stressful and time-consuming jobs in the private sector, while getting blamed by everyone from politicians and parents--and the students themselves. Meanwhile, class sizes continue to grow because of fiscal mismanagement and corruption, and lack of investment in education. Americans like to talk about how important education is, but when it comes down to spending taxpayer money, they'd rather build missiles and walls because fear sells shit to an uneducated and easily deceived public. So is it any wonder that we are in this situation? Who the fuck cares about whether a kid having an Apple Watch means they're rich. I care that a cheating student is in all likelihood going to grow up to be yet another irresponsible, uneducated, entitled, egocentric American whose corporate overlords can manipulate at will. Downvote me all you want. Call me a troll. I don't fucking care anymore.

  22. Re: Kohath thinks cheating is a virtue, shoot him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This. It's no wonder they voted for trump. They also have no morals or values. It's all starting to make sense.

    If only these faggots had a stern father around to smack some sense into them.

  23. Lazy Teachers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is each generation getting dumber or something? When I was in high school 20 years ago, we had calculator watches. Nearly no one owned one, but they existed and were banned from use. Well not exactly banned, just not allowed. If you had one you have to remove it during the test. What's so difficult with checking out people's wrists while you walk around watching the students? Why aren't teaching looking for them? Why does there need to be a school wide ban? Just have people remove their watches during the test. Put it in their bag under their seat with all their other stuff. Isn't there a clock in the room? Sure students could try to hide it in their sleeve or lap, but they can do that with paper notes too. Smart watches change nothing and have been around for decades, no new rules are needed to deal with them.

    In terms of sharing answers, randomized test ordering and answer ordering has always been the solution to that. With software, it's easier than ever before to reorder tests and make a unique order for each student. Grading is more difficult if showing work is required, but trying to share with someone across the room how to fake their work is far more difficult to do without getting caught.

  24. The problem is the test by DalM · · Score: 1

    If your "test" can be beat by a kid wearing an Apple watch, then your test sucks and is just a waste of everyone's time. There are plenty of ways to assess student growth that can't be beat by an Apple watch (or answer sheet in your sock, or what ever)

    1. Re:The problem is the test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Standard dumb-ass pointy-haired boss type comment from someone who's never tried teaching anything. Totally null value.

    2. Re:The problem is the test by DalM · · Score: 1

      I taught chemistry and physics for 2 years in Dallas ISD while working on my masters. I made lots and lots of assessments, none of which could have been beaten by an Apple watch.

  25. Re:Kohath thinks cheating is a virtue, shoot him d by Kohath · · Score: 0

    Typical Democrat. Even Howard Schultz can't stomach you people any more.

  26. :/ Err... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They did that thing where they described a woman based on her physical characteristics.

    Only they did it to a KID?!

    1. Re: :/ Err... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aw wait, never mind, I just misread a pronoun, ignore my dumb ass.

  27. Kohath thinks cheating is a virtue, shoot him dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Uneducated faggot fraud Kohath doesn't understand why veritas in education and cheating are incompatible, news at 11 when Trump goes to prison for having zero integrity, just like the faggot Kohath - the circle of retard is complete."

  28. Neural Nets will make the watch obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I give it ten years #maryloujepson #elonmusk

  29. What's old is new again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And so the cycle continues. Before the era of smartphones, smartwatches, tablets, portable computer algebraic systems there were simple alphanumeric programmable calculators. In the mid 80s you could already type whatever you wanted into those 32k/100k beasts. The Casios, the Sharps, the HPs, you name it, all had those capabilities.
    Ok, you had no color, no internet connectivity but boy could you hold pages of typed in text in there.
    The irony is you would end up learning the dam lesson anyway by force of typing it whole into the calculator.

  30. Cheating isn't new - solutions exist. by onkelonkel · · Score: 3, Informative

    I was university back in the late 70s. Kids would program their calculators with the formulas. Teaching assistants would walk around and reset i.e. wipe the memory on everybody's calculator before the exam started. Most professors allowed students to bring a single 8 1/2 x 11 cheat sheet to the exams. The point of the exam wasn't to find out if you could memorize the formulas, it was to find out if you knew how to apply them.

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    1. Re:Cheating isn't new - solutions exist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh, yeah. We barely had portable calculators in the 70's much less programmable calculators akin to the TI whatever graphing series.

    2. Re:Cheating isn't new - solutions exist. by onkelonkel · · Score: 1

      _Late_ 70s. I had a TI-59, they came out in 1977. The HP-41C came out about 2 years later.

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  31. Watches are banned at my university by DogDude · · Score: 2

    At the university I attend (US, top tier research, public school), watches are already banned from the testing centers. I guess it's been a thing for a little while. I was wondering why the heck watches were banned from the testing centers. I couldn't think of a way to cheat with regular watches.

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    1. Re:Watches are banned at my university by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Probably afriad someone would make a spy camera on one and photograph the exam to sell to others.

    2. Re:Watches are banned at my university by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Casio has had databank watches since the late 80's or so. In theory one could program all the answers to a test into the memo or phone book entries of such a watch.

    3. Re:Watches are banned at my university by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some types, like aviation watches, can have rotating bezels that act as slide rules.

    4. Re:Watches are banned at my university by Barnoid · · Score: 1

      At the university I attend (US, top tier research, public school), [...] I was wondering why the heck watches were banned from the testing centers. I couldn't think of a way to cheat with regular watches.

      Heh, how did you end up at a top-tier university?

    5. Re:Watches are banned at my university by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably fucked all the right dogs.

    6. Re:Watches are banned at my university by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He spent his time studying instead of thinking about ways to cheat.

    7. Re:Watches are banned at my university by houghi · · Score: 1
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  32. Re:what to make some money? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I learned that it's better to beg forgiveness than to ask for permission. Your Apple watch doesn't work? Gee, no idea why, but you can find out after the test. Here, I put a big one up in front of the class so you know how much time you have left, after all that's what you need it for, right?

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  33. You're assuming the purpose is journalism by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're assuming the purpose of TFA is investigative journalism. To bring an important issue to the public's attention.

    It's not. The purpose is to generate more page loads and thus more advertising revenue. So if inflammatory insinuations - like singling out kids who wear an Apple Watch, or speak with a "Europeant" accent - gets you all in a huff to where you click on TFA, then it's done its job. It's one of the reasons I'm not that critical of comments here from people who haven't read TFA. So many of articles are click-bait that I won't fault someone for using a too-stringent anti-click-bait filter and not reading TFA.

    1. Re:You're assuming the purpose is journalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But - slashdotters never read TFA. they don't even know if it is clickbait or proper journalism. Most don't know there is an article. Underlined green text is just how slashdot highlight some text, huh?

  34. BS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rich kids go to a Swiss high-school and always come back with good grades.
    Then Daddy will have some ex-presidents and members of Congress write letters so that the brat can go to Harvard where they buy a diploma they don't need, because Daddy is rich!

  35. Re:what to make some money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FCC won't even give prisons authority to operate signal blockers. Good luck ever getting it for schools. Next movie theaters would want it, then owners of snobby restaurants. FCC does not want to open that pandora's box.

    News just in: The MPAA has successfully sued the FCC into bankruptcy in court costs and now got the law changed. More at 10.

  36. Re:Kohath thinks cheating is a virtue, shoot him d by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You sound more like the dem. Why even have schools or grades. Just give everyone a trophy. I am at the other end of the spectrum. Kid cheats, toss em out of school for the year and let them try again next year. I had a CS prof who styled certain assignments to test for cheating. He flunked any kid that cheated and I thought it was great.

  37. Re:Kohath thinks cheating is a virtue, shoot him d by Kohath · · Score: 1

    I'm not an authoritarian or a totalitarian, nor am I jealous of others' success, so I’m not in favor of ruining children's lives or otherwise harming people to maintain some vain illusion of control or exclusivity.

    If a kid wants to cheat, why is that any of your business? Because you're on the hunt for people to victimize to bolster your ego? How is that a good thing?

  38. Teachers Forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    College is a giant open book exam.

  39. Most exams you have to leave you cell up the front by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All they need to do is also remove any smart watches.

    Pre warn of this and there are no issues.

  40. "Rich kids"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can buy an Apple Watch on Ebay for a hundred bucks. WTF is with the title of this Slashdot article?

  41. Kohath is a retarded faggot of no value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for demonstrating what we already know about you. You are worthlessness personified, loser. You will be buried under Trump, under the prison. You are lower than dogshit, pigshit, horseshit, and bullshit. You are faggot shit.

    Zero value. You're a complete moron. Someone would be doing you a huge favor to kill you now.

  42. Kohath thinks cheating is a virtue, shoot him dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Uneducated faggot fraud Kohath doesn't understand why veritas in education and cheating are incompatible, news at 11 when Trump goes to prison for having zero integrity, just like the faggot Kohath - the circle of retard is complete."

  43. Cheated with a TI84 Plus SE too by DatbeDank · · Score: 1

    Ran 3rd part math and science during the SAT, ACT, and on every math and physics test.

    If you know where to look, exam mode hacks abound. Doing this helped me bolster my math scores on my application to Penn. Sure some diversity applicant was denied, but who really cares anyway.

    Non story.

  44. Get off my lawn by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Feh. When I took the PSAT, one of the proctors who knew I was the only kid in class with a calculator watch made sure to tell me to take the watch off in front of the whole class.

  45. Because only 'Rich Kids' can afford an apple watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously? Whoever wrote this... is a disingenuous hack and should re-think their life.

  46. Re:what to make some money? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

    You might mean jammers, rather than blockers.

  47. Just like graphing calculators in the 80's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Man it was so annoying the kids that had those full grapphing calculators and where aceing precal and calc

  48. upper middle class? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So "upper middle class" is now synonymous with "rich"?

    Really, guys, you need to get your class envy and self-righteous indignation straight.

  49. Catch and give zeroes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In university, cheating resulted in a zero. Do it again? Expulsion. Enforce the rules and purge, why is this hard?

  50. Since when is a 20 year old a 'kid'? by Assmasher · · Score: 1

    ...and we wonder why they live at home until they're 30...

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  51. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what? Having resources is not cheating. Poor kids need to learn what it is like to be a poor adult.

  52. Hmm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is "European accent", Precious?

  53. The best Cheat Sheets by turp182 · · Score: 1

    I witnessed both of these in college. Cheat sheets were allowed (actuarial math courses), a lot of time textbooks (student versus clock).

    The two "allowed" best tweaks to the "single page" cheat sheet were:
    1. Printing at 3PT font on both sides and bringing a magnifying glass.
    2. The winner - printed on dot matrix paper which he claimed was a single sheet since it was continuous. He did well on the test.

    Myself, I relied on an HP-48SX and infrared data transfer with other students in the classroom (needed to aim them at each other but the teachers had no idea this was possible). It was way ahead of it's time with regards to what it could do (1991). Some of the ideas we came up with were a better education than the classes (wrote memorization versus creativity).

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  54. Poor kids too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smart watches are not a rich-only phenomenon.

  55. Copycats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OG's were doing this same thing with Palm Pilot watches back in 2005. Like usual /. is a decade late reporting a story.

  56. Testing for understanding by euxneks · · Score: 1

    When are we going to start recognizing that people have access to the largest repository of human knowledge in all of history and start trying to test for understanding of material instead of regurgitating knowledge? At work I have access to the internet. It helps me make decisions and develop solutions. Why are we denying children that? The exams I had to take when I was younger was literally just regurgitating information. Rote memorization doesn't make for a very good understanding of material.

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  57. education by Farton · · Score: 0

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