This is THE single big reason to NOT switch away from Windows in Office Automation. THE. Wow.
I cannot believe, there are not 10.000 alarm bells ringing in redmond right now.
Notice the tarball already avail in source?
Notice how SOON it will be officially? This looks like a planned hit and run to me.
Prediction: Either MS treatens them and they pull it. But the source is out so -pbbbt-. Or expect the next big free software suit to arrive. And it will be pulled, but the source is out so -pbbbt-
If, on the other hand, MS plays nice about this, well, hell just froze over again.
Well in risk of you never reading this Ill reply to an out-of-fp comment.
I obviously DO take some repsonsibility over our network. Hence the update serve, hence the firewall, hence the risk analasises aboput downtime we DO have, hence the IT strategy (More linux, less windows and NO SCO) at the moment.
My POINT was, it IS 99% Microsofts fault. Which is what I ment by well, not me.
The ONLY reason why personal firewalls will be the next big thing in Office env, IS MS crap products, that get owned time and time again OVER REMOTE EXPLOITS.
Microsoft is responsible for marketing their product as if 12 y/o can admin it, and in most smaller orgs, of less then 200 emps, the admin IS the CTO, but the PHB makes the decisions.
MS has made it damn wel near impossible for most orgs to ditch them, again, thats THEIR fault, not mine.
I cant even blaim the PHB for choosing MS, there is simply too much things relying on it. The fileformats f.e.
So that leaves really just one big finger at MS. What I took offense of is, you state its ENTIRELY the DUMB sysadmins that dont patch their systems fault. THAT. IS. BS.
The only thing my org can do better, is EVEN STRICKTER security policies, personall firewalls and all that, but why do I feel thats a loosing battle? Why am I feeling Im flying a space shuttle, but servicing requires Sojouz parts, and duct tape? I should have bought Sojouz dammit.
But how do you sell an 80's rocket to people buying space shuttles? Evidently the fact that a sojouz wont crash is no argument.
- After 15 years of exp in the field, I DO have an iota. At least one for initative.
- We DO have a firewall.
- We have an Auto-Update push server. It should have updated us last week, but who knows? SUS server reporting is crap.
- We were hit, four laptops running XP. (They may have picked it up from outside, but they were surely spreading it inside.) A Citrix server BSOD'd from the patch.
- Microsoft sells its products as if 12 y/o can administrate it, knowladge where it is needed about security and firewalls, is not properly taught.
- MS admins generally are busy reinstalling laptops, updating MS office, cleaning up after McAfee detected Yet Another Virus.
- MS is totally dominant on the desktop, which they dont mind, but does help the fastness of the spreading of worms.
- These remote root exploits, seem to often hit EVERY windows flavour, that worries me. When will this cardhouse fold?
- If you piss off enough people, people will push back. MS pisses off a lot of people.
In essence, all this I blame on... well not me.
well I learned one thing, personal firewalls on windows, are becoming a nessicity.
The service pack 6 was there, parts of the security roll up were there. (We followed the individual patches) Previoulsy TS patches refused, if the system not up-to-date.
I work for a software house, who does "online" as well. The Technical manager of the "online" bit uses joe (not vi) hence it is everywhere, and its pretty easy, I learned to use it IRL projects on the job, where things must not fail, and it had no learning curve..
Much more easy for all the windrones programming java etc., then VI or godfobid emacs. I like it. My machines have VI, but I dont own, nor edit everything.
I would be appaled if this is a reason NOT to pull it out. "Its nice to rely on thefact that most people have it installed"
Sjees, since when is the internet made to make -YOUR- job easier? How hard can it be to make one for download on your site? Why dont we all just design flash websites, its easy for webdesigners, since -most- people have this installed.
I know numerous "venture capitalists" deals that go bust halfway, usually nulling the invested company. Heck, look at all them busted startups in the bubble timeframe.
Often because the invested comp. does not meet sales targets orso, this one is on the premiss that the CEO is a nutter. Sounds reasonable to me.
As a potential RH AS customer, it raises two questions: - Do I invalidate my license by running a non shipped kernel? - When will they ship 2.6? Or WILL they? On http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/kernel26/ they just rave about 2.4 with features like its the egg of columbus.
- Geeks are science fiction fans - Geeks are fantasy fans - Geeks are socially inapt - Geeks are a consistent subculture - Intarwebby will make you less social
None of these are true -whatsoever-.
c'mon guys, dont let some markedroids push you over in a stubborn prejudice label.
"If there's complex software, and that complex software has bugs"
Man, stupid wrong memes. Does NOBODY remember Prof. Dijkstra?
Most software is designed for mathematically trivial problems, which solutions can be mathematically prooven. There is *NO EXCUSE* for bugs, other then being a not so good math guy, and thus a mediocre programmmer. He, I dont program.
To hook up to the next topic, have you got ANY idea how much havoc a rebellion by skinny humans on the moon could cause just by "throwing stones" back at earth?
We might actually -need- Reagan/Bush' StarWars laserbeamies by then.
Films do not respresent books fully. Shock. Horror.
The book was entertaining, but not convincing. For more convincing Heinlein, I suggest "Stranger in a strange land" or "The Moon is a harsh mistress" (They should film THAT one! Throwing rocks from the moon to Earth would be, well spectacular!) or "The number of the beast".
All three books more convincing about the social and technical issues Heinlein cares to write about, and all three far more entertaining.
The film was entertaining IMHO, and did not even TRY to convince anybody. Such films have their entertaining merit.
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Wow.
This is THE single big reason to NOT switch away from Windows in Office Automation. THE. Wow.
I cannot believe, there are not 10.000 alarm bells ringing in redmond right now.
Notice the tarball already avail in source?
Notice how SOON it will be officially? This looks like a planned hit and run to me.
Prediction: Either MS treatens them and they pull it. But the source is out so -pbbbt-. Or expect the next big free software suit to arrive. And it will be pulled, but the source is out so -pbbbt-
If, on the other hand, MS plays nice about this, well, hell just froze over again.
"/Dread"
is iris scanning a "good idea"?
Or does halley-burton own some iris-scanning patents?
In that case, I, for one, welcome our new techno info patent overlords.
"Dread"
Your right ;-) twas 6.0.5 (well 6.0.7 briefly , before we bought into the broken thing that was system 7)
peace and love and linux (or bsd or OSX)
"Dread"
Well in risk of you never reading this Ill reply to an out-of-fp comment.
I obviously DO take some repsonsibility over our network. Hence the update serve, hence the firewall, hence the risk analasises aboput downtime we DO have, hence the IT strategy (More linux, less windows and NO SCO) at the moment.
My POINT was, it IS 99% Microsofts fault. Which is what I ment by well, not me.
The ONLY reason why personal firewalls will be the next big thing in Office env, IS MS crap products, that get owned time and time again OVER REMOTE EXPLOITS.
Microsoft is responsible for marketing their product as if 12 y/o can admin it, and in most smaller orgs, of less then 200 emps, the admin IS the CTO, but the PHB makes the decisions.
MS has made it damn wel near impossible for most orgs to ditch them, again, thats THEIR fault, not mine.
I cant even blaim the PHB for choosing MS, there is simply too much things relying on it. The fileformats f.e.
So that leaves really just one big finger at MS. What I took offense of is, you state its ENTIRELY the DUMB sysadmins that dont patch their systems fault. THAT. IS. BS.
The only thing my org can do better, is EVEN STRICKTER security policies, personall firewalls and all that, but why do I feel thats a loosing battle? Why am I feeling Im flying a space shuttle, but servicing requires Sojouz parts, and duct tape? I should have bought Sojouz dammit.
But how do you sell an 80's rocket to people buying space shuttles? Evidently the fact that a sojouz wont crash is no argument.
peace
"Dread"
True, and I have the 6.x experience to fill in. 6.5 was the best 6 Mac Os.
Easy explenation: Features get (mostly) added on even numbers. They get fixed on the odds.
"/Dread"
I take offence at you remarks.
- After 15 years of exp in the field, I DO have an iota. At least one for initative.
- We DO have a firewall.
- We have an Auto-Update push server. It should have updated us last week, but who knows? SUS server reporting is crap.
- We were hit, four laptops running XP. (They may have picked it up from outside, but they were surely spreading it inside.) A Citrix server BSOD'd from the patch.
- Microsoft sells its products as if 12 y/o can administrate it, knowladge where it is needed about security and firewalls, is not properly taught.
- MS admins generally are busy reinstalling laptops, updating MS office, cleaning up after McAfee detected Yet Another Virus.
- MS is totally dominant on the desktop, which they dont mind, but does help the fastness of the spreading of worms.
- These remote root exploits, seem to often hit EVERY windows flavour, that worries me. When will this cardhouse fold?
- If you piss off enough people, people will push back. MS pisses off a lot of people.
In essence, all this I blame on... well not me.
well I learned one thing, personal firewalls on windows, are becoming a nessicity.
"/Dread"
The service pack 6 was there, parts of the security roll up were there. (We followed the individual patches) Previoulsy TS patches refused, if the system not up-to-date.
Maybe this didnt. maybe bad karma.
"/Dread"
Mr Patch Nazi.
Not zero day no, more like a whole week. By the way, the patch just BSOD my NT 4 TS server.
We were hit, 4 laptops XP infected, TS, and we DO autoupdate patches vis SUS.
How do you suppose your commentrs help me?
"/Dread"
The patch from MS : http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin /MS04-011.mspx
just BSOD'ed my Citrix server.
YMMV
"/Dread"
A new Icon!
"/Dread"
Loads.
I work for a software house, who does "online" as well. The Technical manager of the "online" bit uses joe (not vi) hence it is everywhere, and its pretty easy, I learned to use it IRL projects on the job, where things must not fail, and it had no learning curve..
Much more easy for all the windrones programming java etc., then VI or godfobid emacs. I like it. My machines have VI, but I dont own, nor edit everything.
peace
"/Dread"
I would be appaled if this is a reason NOT to pull it out. "Its nice to rely on thefact that most people have it installed"
Sjees, since when is the internet made to make -YOUR- job easier? How hard can it be to make one for download on your site? Why dont we all just design flash websites, its easy for webdesigners, since -most- people have this installed.
"/Dread"
look more innocent. but ha! Were on to them! We know who she sleeps with. Monopoloptic muppet play. Get in governement liberales.
peace
"/Dread"
What exactly do you compare?
I know numerous "venture capitalists" deals that go bust halfway, usually nulling the invested company. Heck, look at all them busted startups in the bubble timeframe.
Often because the invested comp. does not meet sales targets orso, this one is on the premiss that the CEO is a nutter. Sounds reasonable to me.
peace
"/Dread"
A funny tee slogan comes to mind:
...
I learned to play the stock market from SCO, and all I got was this louzy
peace
"/Dread"
As a potential RH AS customer, it raises two questions:
- Do I invalidate my license by running a non shipped kernel?
- When will they ship 2.6? Or WILL they? On http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/kernel26/ they just rave about 2.4 with features like its the egg of columbus.
"/Dread"
A very good question indeed.
To me it seems it targets distro's to insure "risks" not just plagiarism, but all sorts. patents, copyrights, whatever.
This enables those distro's to offer "indemnify" to their client eventually.
In a world, where layers rule, and coders drool, this is a good thing.
peace
"/Dread"
- Geeks are science fiction fans
- Geeks are fantasy fans
- Geeks are socially inapt
- Geeks are a consistent subculture
- Intarwebby will make you less social
None of these are true -whatsoever-.
c'mon guys, dont let some markedroids push you over in a stubborn prejudice label.
"/Dread"
"If there's complex software, and that complex software has bugs"
Man, stupid wrong memes. Does NOBODY remember Prof. Dijkstra?
Most software is designed for mathematically trivial problems, which solutions can be mathematically prooven. There is *NO EXCUSE* for bugs, other then being a not so good math guy, and thus a mediocre programmmer. He, I dont program.
peace
"/Dread"
Now there is *NO EXCUSE* for banning profanity or porn from mainstream TV.
peace
"/Dread"
ps Can I get a hack for a violence and neo-con speak repeller?
sure, if you look at the ONE DAY graph.
Look at the FIVE DAY graph. These "stock nosedive begins" are beginning to resemble "*BSD is dying" posts.
peace
"/Dread"
To hook up to the next topic, have you got ANY idea how much havoc a rebellion by skinny humans on the moon could cause just by "throwing stones" back at earth?
We might actually -need- Reagan/Bush' StarWars laserbeamies by then.
"/Dread"
Films do not respresent books fully. Shock. Horror.
The book was entertaining, but not convincing. For more convincing Heinlein, I suggest "Stranger in a strange land" or "The Moon is a harsh mistress" (They should film THAT one! Throwing rocks from the moon to Earth would be, well spectacular!) or "The number of the beast".
All three books more convincing about the social and technical issues Heinlein cares to write about, and all three far more entertaining.
The film was entertaining IMHO, and did not even TRY to convince anybody. Such films have their entertaining merit.
peace
"/Dread"
A plus 5 Offtopic? Wow..
grats, I guess..
"/Dread"
Seems to me this might provide for a etch-a-scetch CPU or something.
.
It wont upp the gigahurts, but it sounds nifty to reprogram my CPU to a new layout. Or even on the fly morphing CPU lay-outs
Using chaos isnt new, but leeches are. Somehow those leeches seem more interesting to me.
"/Dread"