"The Mac desktop market dwarfs Linux the same way that the Windows market dwarfs it"
Recent numbers I have seen in articles about Linux (cannot find em right now) on the desktop seem to suggest that is untrue. Linux desktops apparently are almost on par with the Mac Desktop numbers.
I WANT to get rid of MS Windows nightmares of no-info, no stable and no secure for my working class heros, which I serve.
PLEASE make Linux a better desktop! Please?
Sure sure, the "future does not depend on it", it is not like Linux will cure world hunger. But dammit, I want to get rid of the Microsoft bits. And no, switching to overpriced Mac boxes is not the way. No way in hell any beancounter -I- know buys that. Unless they are an advertisement agency, or an arthouse.
There is only one way out of the mess that is Office Automation, and it IS Linux.
You read the article, you quote the article. But you misquote. Nowhere does it say hydrogen is 100% pollution free. And nowhere do they misspell "precent" Here is the real text:
"A fuel cell is a pollution-free and highly efficient power source and it is expected to be used for automobiles and in households, although its greater cost than that of traditional power sources limits its applications at present."
BTW, It IS possible (and it is already happening NOW) to produce clean hydrogen.
Already, Iceland, "harvests" hydrogen by using hot water springs. Also, hydrogen created from Solar energy, or really any clean energy source, is also truely clean.
Remember, hydrogen is no energy -source- per se. It is a handy energy -carrier-. So is oil. (And we misuse it as a source) We still need clean sources to -make- hydrogen.
But in USING oil ALONE lies enviromental consequences. Not so with hydrogen. It is the -usage- which is 100% clean. So the article claims "The fuelcell is clean" and the article is right.
Question though: HALO is an addictive game, so they must have done something right. Excellent gameplay.
However, is anybody else bothered by the ripoff from Half Life ((HALI?)the game) and Ringword (the book series), into HALO? I guess its the One Microsoft Way...
Labeling an opinion as hysteria, is not proof the opinion is wrong. Your not even trying. You just attack the messenger.
I never said, part of some products demise was not also to blame on themselfes. It most likely was.
I however claim, that all mentioned products suffered, more or less, from MS anti-competitive behaviour. For some it ment death. For some it ment lost revenue. Sure Netscape could be labeled arrogant, bad product, and stupid. It however does not take away the influence of MS and its responsiblity in that matter to hasten the process so to speak.
You claim drdos was killed by incomatibilities. Indeed. As Darl showed us, intentionally brought to us by Microsoft, and was susequently fined over it. A hard cold scientific fact that a judge thought MS played faul. What more proof do you need? A constitutional amendment?
Seeing what MS is doing with mediaplayer Im telling you with a straight face, if they can continue on that path: It will kill real.
"Citrix is doing fine. MS adding Terminal Server into Windows doesn't remove the market for what Metaframe does."
Citrix developed Terminal Server AND Metaframe.
this is how MS followed that up:
MS: Say, this Metaframe hack you made is really innovative! Mind if we buy it or you? CTX: Ehh Yes? MS: Ew, that means we have to develop the thing ourself, mind you if we cannot buy it or you, we WILL. CTX:... Err perhaps we can work out a deal?
some whispering occured...
MS + CTX: "We are now partners in cri^D^D^D business! MS now owns "Terminal Server" and Citrix can still sell "added functionality" and call it Metaframe! Eeeeveryone happy! Users will have Choice! (c)(TM)
Please explain how YET ANOTHER example of MS using dubious business practices to stiffle competition is not hurting progress.
You alledge that it is not to blame MS for not being able to use AAA batteries 10 years ago, and you are right.
That is however not the issue.
The -issue- is how MS is illegaly extending its monopoly into other markets, and how this IS NOT promoting innovation, if only simply because if your new innovation gets eyeballed by MS, you basically lost.
remember drdos? remember netscape? remember stack? remember Citrix? remember real? Oh well Ill ask that one in two years.
So why start in the first place? THATS what software devolpers are thinking, and I alledge that this is the reason for the lack of innovation in the past 15 years.
I alledge this is another reason for the dotcom bubble burst. I alledge this is the reason for the general dubious image ICT now has world wide.
And I -know- it has cost many Office Automation specialists lots of lost happiness.
I started out as A Local Network Guru, thats the 80's calling. VAXen and Appletalk (Ethertalk would blow the VAXen away mind you, in filesharing that is.) was the shit back then.
We did computer based multimedia training, video, LAN's, WANs, heck the net was ruled by CompuServe.
I since then (part of my job was that too) am being labeled as "Office Automation" specialist
I was subsequently -forced- by MS louzy software to really dislike IT. Shame on them!
"I think it's true that many open-source devs are europeans who have green-ish attitudes, it's immaterial, unhelpful, and boring"
I ALSO really take exception to THIS, although it may be true. I AM an european with a green-ish attitude (I got several more, amongst them liberalism), and I am NOT immaterial nor unhelpful, and given some drugs I can be quite entertaining.
I would have phrased 5. "anti-American blabla" as 5. Open Source benefits from anti-global-coorperation sentiments.
That would include greenish Americans... (I still fail to see what greenish has to do with Open Source, but he)
You should get a -1 troll.. if it was not for the (rather old) BB ref. you would be.. but I dont care;-), but for the record.. my parent post seems to attack De Beers for no other reason then "its sounds european" and "diamonds are too expensive". The first is factually wrong, the second falls in the well.. so what? catagory. So how else should I view it?
Look at me now...
Im defending a company that makes money from pure Image, produces little value, and can basically get away with asking "what people are willing to pay" instead of "what the product cost making + 5%-10%" and -I- am the socialst from the department of love.
You are sadly getting caught up in a typical USsian anti-EU mentality.
- Its De Beers, not DuBeers. Get your names straight. It does not bode well for the rest of your arguments. - De Beers is founded and largely still operates from South Africa, not the EU. - The MS EU show is about misuse, NOT -having- a monopoly, please show how DE Beers misuses their monopoly, and how this is "magnitudes worse" for WE, the people, then MS'ses -proven- misuse.
Wrong. EVEN IF a patented techno was used (not nessicary so), at least in the EU, proposed legislation leaves room for compatibility sake (with the game, not the Orinal GB). Ok, it may be a stretch..
Slashdot Mirror
Last time I looked, Businesses do not buy apps from shelves.
And dont call me "you people".
"/Dread"
Not that I care, I got karma to burn, but HOW am -I- a troll, if this very same topic is now on discussion on the USsian 911 hearings?
Let me guess, Richard Clarke is a troll too?
"/Dread"
from those criminal states WMD...
Luckely, the US has a president with his prio's straight..
"/Dread"
Nothing is ever simple.
The service of arguments is a service too. It is -worth- something to Microsoft. At least 500 chickens.
"/Dread"
"The Mac desktop market dwarfs Linux the same way that the Windows market dwarfs it"
Recent numbers I have seen in articles about Linux (cannot find em right now) on the desktop seem to suggest that is untrue. Linux desktops apparently are almost on par with the Mac Desktop numbers.
You have other numbers?
"/Dread"
But.. but..
I WANT to get rid of MS Windows nightmares of no-info, no stable and no secure for my working class heros, which I serve.
PLEASE make Linux a better desktop! Please?
Sure sure, the "future does not depend on it", it is not like Linux will cure world hunger. But dammit, I want to get rid of the Microsoft bits. And no, switching to overpriced Mac boxes is not the way. No way in hell any beancounter -I- know buys that. Unless they are an advertisement agency, or an arthouse.
There is only one way out of the mess that is Office Automation, and it IS Linux.
"/Dread"
OMG, the TeleTubby startmenu from XP reinvented.
I -HATE- that auto-rearrange stuff.
My user manuals now read:
- Click the startbutton.
- Find wherever Windows XP has put you foo-app today.
- Select that.
"/Dread"
OREILLY, The werewolf book: "Managing systems with the DOOM shell" subtitle: "How to kill -9 a zombie with your BFG."
"/Dread"
Dang,
;-)
I have to stand corrected by an AC.. there goes my karma..
the -second- article... And here I was, putting my prejudices on a honest AC. My apologies.
"/Dread"
Ah,
but who will visually debug the visual designer?
"/Dread"
You have a point. But only a half baked point.
You read the article, you quote the article. But you misquote. Nowhere does it say hydrogen is 100% pollution free. And nowhere do they misspell "precent" Here is the real text:
"A fuel cell is a pollution-free and highly efficient power source and it is expected to be used for automobiles and in households, although its greater cost than that of traditional power sources limits its applications at present."
BTW, It IS possible (and it is already happening NOW) to produce clean hydrogen.
Already, Iceland, "harvests" hydrogen by using hot water springs. Also, hydrogen created from Solar energy, or really any clean energy source, is also truely clean.
Remember, hydrogen is no energy -source- per se. It is a handy energy -carrier-. So is oil. (And we misuse it as a source) We still need clean sources to -make- hydrogen.
But in USING oil ALONE lies enviromental consequences. Not so with hydrogen. It is the -usage- which is 100% clean. So the article claims "The fuelcell is clean" and the article is right.
"/Dread"
A three-penny hooker, that looks like shit when removed from makeup.
"/Dread"
I second you.
Question though: HALO is an addictive game, so they must have done something right. Excellent gameplay.
However, is anybody else bothered by the ripoff from Half Life ((HALI?)the game) and Ringword (the book series), into HALO? I guess its the One Microsoft Way...
"/Dread"
Labeling an opinion as hysteria, is not proof the opinion is wrong. Your not even trying. You just attack the messenger.
I never said, part of some products demise was not also to blame on themselfes. It most likely was.
I however claim, that all mentioned products suffered, more or less, from MS anti-competitive behaviour. For some it ment death. For some it ment lost revenue. Sure Netscape could be labeled arrogant, bad product, and stupid. It however does not take away the influence of MS and its responsiblity in that matter to hasten the process so to speak.
You claim drdos was killed by incomatibilities. Indeed. As Darl showed us, intentionally brought to us by Microsoft, and was susequently fined over it. A hard cold scientific fact that a judge thought MS played faul. What more proof do you need? A constitutional amendment?
Seeing what MS is doing with mediaplayer Im telling you with a straight face, if they can continue on that path: It will kill real.
"/Dread"
"Anyways, I don't see how MS was even remotely responsible for the investors stopping dumping money into a bottomless pit. It had to happen."
By holding back innovation... so expectations on what software would change did not happen.
"/Dread"
Answer your own questions if you will, but I do remember Mosaic. Why would I not?
"/Dread"
Big deal. Mr DOJ, while you worry about maybe shoulda coulda, the EU will focus on fact OK?
Now go wash yer mouth with oily ashes.
"/Dread"
"Citrix is doing fine. MS adding Terminal Server into Windows doesn't remove the market for what Metaframe does."
... Err perhaps we can work out a deal?
Citrix developed Terminal Server AND Metaframe.
this is how MS followed that up:
MS: Say, this Metaframe hack you made is really innovative! Mind if we buy it or you?
CTX: Ehh Yes?
MS: Ew, that means we have to develop the thing ourself, mind you if we cannot buy it or you, we WILL.
CTX:
some whispering occured...
MS + CTX: "We are now partners in cri^D^D^D business! MS now owns "Terminal Server" and Citrix can still sell "added functionality" and call it Metaframe! Eeeeveryone happy! Users will have Choice! (c)(TM)
"/Dread"
Typical MS FUD.
Please explain how YET ANOTHER example of MS using dubious business practices to stiffle competition is not hurting progress.
You alledge that it is not to blame MS for not being able to use AAA batteries 10 years ago, and you are right.
That is however not the issue.
The -issue- is how MS is illegaly extending its monopoly into other markets, and how this IS NOT promoting innovation, if only simply because if your new innovation gets eyeballed by MS, you basically lost.
remember drdos?
remember netscape?
remember stack?
remember Citrix?
remember real? Oh well Ill ask that one in two years.
So why start in the first place? THATS what software devolpers are thinking, and I alledge that this is the reason for the lack of innovation in the past 15 years.
I alledge this is another reason for the dotcom bubble burst. I alledge this is the reason for the general dubious image ICT now has world wide.
And I -know- it has cost many Office Automation specialists lots of lost happiness.
"/Dread"
man, I cant wait till Osama realizes there is no god..
"/Dread"
Honestly, Im only halfly joking.
I started out as A Local Network Guru, thats the 80's calling. VAXen and Appletalk (Ethertalk would blow the VAXen away mind you, in filesharing that is.) was the shit back then.
We did computer based multimedia training, video, LAN's, WANs, heck the net was ruled by CompuServe.
I since then (part of my job was that too) am being labeled as "Office Automation" specialist
I was subsequently -forced- by MS louzy software to really dislike IT. Shame on them!
"/Dread"
"I think it's true that many open-source devs are europeans who have green-ish attitudes, it's immaterial, unhelpful, and boring"
I ALSO really take exception to THIS, although it may be true. I AM an european with a green-ish attitude (I got several more, amongst them liberalism), and I am NOT immaterial nor unhelpful, and given some drugs I can be quite entertaining.
I would have phrased 5. "anti-American blabla" as 5. Open Source benefits from anti-global-coorperation sentiments.
That would include greenish Americans... (I still fail to see what greenish has to do with Open Source, but he)
"/Dread"
You should get a -1 troll.. if it was not for the (rather old) BB ref. you would be.. but I dont care ;-), but for the record.. my parent post seems to attack De Beers for no other reason then "its sounds european" and "diamonds are too expensive". The first is factually wrong, the second falls in the well.. so what? catagory. So how else should I view it?
Look at me now...
Im defending a company that makes money from pure Image, produces little value, and can basically get away with asking "what people are willing to pay" instead of "what the product cost making + 5%-10%" and -I- am the socialst from the department of love.
Oh the irony...
mod parent up +5 ironic.
peace
"/Dread"
You are sadly getting caught up in a typical USsian anti-EU mentality.
- Its De Beers, not DuBeers. Get your names straight. It does not bode well for the rest of your arguments.
- De Beers is founded and largely still operates from South Africa, not the EU.
- The MS EU show is about misuse, NOT -having- a monopoly, please show how DE Beers misuses their monopoly, and how this is "magnitudes worse" for WE, the people, then MS'ses -proven- misuse.
Thanks
"/Dread"
"This would be wrong. Right?"
;-)
Wrong. EVEN IF a patented techno was used (not nessicary so), at least in the EU, proposed legislation leaves room for compatibility sake (with the game, not the Orinal GB). Ok, it may be a stretch..
Look, Ill be modded down, and youre up
"/Dread"