The GUI version was next to useless. And why exactly do fullscreen console apps not count? If I recall correctly, you could even still use CLI commands in NC. My point is that a CLI does not prohibit some form of navigational assistance.
1. What is this "state" thing?, and why is the PROMPT not enough for it?
2. I really used to like Norton Commander, it was a command line tool, with some easy interfacing just for exploration. You could do for example a simple "compare" on two directories to find the difference. On standard Windows or Mac, this still is not possible.
3. Rote memorazation, didnt know what it was, so thanks for the enlightenment. However...
"This particular brand of education has been given a bad name in spite of its clear advantages in particular learning situations. What is now favored (to the exclusion of rote memorization) is an integrated understanding of the material to be taught."
As I understand it, it is the same as learning by heart. As opposed to understanding WHY you are doing things, you just do em, cuz it worked the last time.
I would argue this has some merit, but so has UNDERSTANDING, especially in using computers.
Lastly, CLI's do NOT require a 100% memory, there is the tab-completion, there are MAN pages, there are convetions. It could all be better, but there is nothing intrinsic that prevent this "rote" thingie.
4. Easy reversal.
Thats nonsense. There is nothing in a CLI that prevents that either. In fact, moving a program in *nix is far easier (and reversable) then moving a program in Windows.
GUI's have merit, CLI's have merit, and on neither of them is the last word said.
The problem here is that these virusses are potentially dangerous enough to WIPE YOUR SYSTEM. Thats a BIG design flaw of windows, and MS is still in denial of that flaw.
The other problem is that MS TOUGHT users it SHOULD be safe to open attachements. It made HTML mail easy and default. People now think email should have colors and moving things. It made scripting from those HTML easy.
In other words: where other OS go to lenghts -restricting- users (to not f*ck up, but still allow poweruser functions) MS seems to go to lenghts to make it POSSIBLE for users to f8ck up. So that every noob can access poweruser functions. And consequently f*ck up.
Bill Gates should read Asimov's robotic laws, the first quality of ANY tool should be, it should not hurt the USER of the tool when used.
You say XP gives them some credit??? The GUI is nice if you tweak it? It does not crash s much as win98???
I am sorry, the first argument is not good enough, eye candy is not exactly rocket science innovation is it? The sencond argument is a head shaker, they "innovated" so now the system actually works mostly?!? It is bloody long overdue!
Man that is lame, as far as innovation goes. Some credit? Sure: it is slightly less lame then it used to be.
These are things that WOULD impress me:
- security. - stability. - Manageability.
So far, even XP is gravely behind *any* other OS I know. Well except for SCO Open Server.
The law stipulates what is protected by copyright and how. Break that law and you will be labelled a "pirate".
Ehh not entirely,
Break the *EULA*, and you may be labeled a pirate.. Big difference....and make overly broad restrictions in you EULA's, which might not actually be legally enforceble"in *my* country, and you may be labeled a "monopoly misuser"
Since when is there a clear cut definition of an "OS"? Please point me to it, I might learn something. People cannot even agree on the size of a Megabyte, let alone a complex beast like an OS.
If I dont explain, I'll be modded overrated (without being rated;-) or "troll" for giving a unpopular opinion strongly, or godforbid "funny" without humourous intent. So here goes.
Please draw the line in OS functionalities:
- From the jargon file (do you own googling, pls): Operating System: The foundation software of a machine, of course; that which schedules tasks, allocates storage, and presents a default interface to the user between applications.
Thats the hacker definition.
How come "playing media" is NOT a "default interface" for many hackers? I understand, and the jargon files says so too, Unix. MS-DOS et al are the primary role models for an OS and they do not have it.
But really, in a zen kind of way (what *IS* an OS) I would argue the a minimal OS is not the OS, its what we call the "BIOS", the maximal OS does not exist. It has somewthing to do with "Default" and "interface", but "Default" translates to "the current norm" and ALL software "interfaces".
So I say playing media by the OS is a good thing, it means programmers can use it always, and users can count on it. After all, the world DOES expect an "OS" to be rock solid secure right? I mean, even MS Windows is getting a bad name nowadays;-) The real dangers are more obscure: What if Linux is outlawed by side effects of company patents, and insane law like the DMCA?
Unlikely, well I hope so. Impossible? Not if the governement gets to decide what software builders can do in so much detail. DRM is not dangerous, it is mandating DRM in everything that is. To get back at media playing... A DRM system that cannot be controlled completely by the owner of the system should be outlawed... NOW. He, Mario Monte, that was a hint.
"linux's saving grace is that its average user is typically more savvy than your average windows user is."
No. The biggest win for Linux is it is designed with security in mind. That way the propagation speed of virusses on Linux, is less than its detection speed.
Also the problems virusses cause will be less severe, -au contrare- to some OSses I know, which let virusses in user space happily destroy the system.
It is not some mythical "smart linux user" who bravely fights off all security breaches. It IS the system.
The true cost of any product is the cost MINUS the benefit.
Upgrading something, like a proc, only to find out the MoBo fails after 2 months is NOT cost effective.
Why do people not question real insanities like, oh, trading money orso. Or Litigious Bastardry. Or money spend to "protect Intellectual Property". Things that cost huge effords, with no added value, but we pay for anyway.
People say, "look a new industry" and point to McAfee AntiVirus. I can only shake my head, and upgrade.
For the sysadmins: Try calculating the amount of time YOU spend, on protecting Other People's IP.
If you can whistle in tune, you can tune a guitar.
Yes. I do play the guitar. Tuning your guitar will not teach you to tune. -listening- and singing (or fiddling with the knobs) will teach you that.
I actually think tuning is very easy for 95% of the populous. Most kids age 10 can do it flawlessly, if they sing regulary.
I allege giving a ground key, and some knobs, this 95% of all people can tune anything. There is nothing magically that needs to be learned, other then the half-note interval "feel".
The best way to make new law, is to mandate it has to replace an old one or two. Enough is enough! Of course then we will end up with 10 commandments, no nine.. no eight.. no wait a sec.. Anarchy! But thats a good thing.
In the old days, when I was young system admin, it was called "Monkey Testing".
It went something like this: You position yourself behind a functional input screen, and start hammering viciously and blindly. The latter is important, the more blind the better, it invokes he Holy Random God. Repeat for 5 minutes. You repeat this for each input screen. If the screen showed anything similar to "ERROR: OTHER INPUT EXPECTED" it passed. If it showed anything similar to "OK, 98zxc3v4^DD^C^Z NEW CUSTOMERS ADDED" or failed to read at all due to overly blinkeyness or so, it failed.
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The GUI version was next to useless. And why exactly do fullscreen console apps not count? If I recall correctly, you could even still use CLI commands in NC. My point is that a CLI does not prohibit some form of navigational assistance.
Gr "/Dread"
If they FAIL to block a user? And said user infects, oh, I dunno, the Home Land Security Dept. orso?
Just wondering...
"/Dread"
" This is getting to be an ongoing grudge with Forbes"
Just wait till I make their list, just wait..
Seriously, this might be rather stupid by Forbes. Pissing of the hordes, I mean.
"/Dread"
Maybe Im just old but..
1. What is this "state" thing?, and why is the PROMPT not enough for it?
2. I really used to like Norton Commander, it was a command line tool, with some easy interfacing just for exploration. You could do for example a simple "compare" on two directories to find the difference. On standard Windows or Mac, this still is not possible.
3. Rote memorazation, didnt know what it was, so thanks for the enlightenment. However...
"This particular brand of education has been given a bad name in spite of its clear advantages in particular learning situations. What is now favored (to the exclusion of rote memorization) is an integrated understanding of the material to be taught."
As I understand it, it is the same as learning by heart. As opposed to understanding WHY you are doing things, you just do em, cuz it worked the last time.
I would argue this has some merit, but so has UNDERSTANDING, especially in using computers.
Lastly, CLI's do NOT require a 100% memory, there is the tab-completion, there are MAN pages, there are convetions. It could all be better, but there is nothing intrinsic that prevent this "rote" thingie.
4. Easy reversal.
Thats nonsense. There is nothing in a CLI that prevents that either. In fact, moving a program in *nix is far easier (and reversable) then moving a program in Windows.
GUI's have merit, CLI's have merit, and on neither of them is the last word said.
peace
"/Dread"
The problem here is that these virusses are potentially dangerous enough to WIPE YOUR SYSTEM. Thats a BIG design flaw of windows, and MS is still in denial of that flaw.
The other problem is that MS TOUGHT users it SHOULD be safe to open attachements. It made HTML mail easy and default. People now think email should have colors and moving things. It made scripting from those HTML easy.
In other words: where other OS go to lenghts -restricting- users (to not f*ck up, but still allow poweruser functions) MS seems to go to lenghts to make it POSSIBLE for users to f8ck up. So that every noob can access poweruser functions. And consequently f*ck up.
Bill Gates should read Asimov's robotic laws, the first quality of ANY tool should be, it should not hurt the USER of the tool when used.
"/Dread"
You say XP gives them some credit??? The GUI is nice if you tweak it? It does not crash s much as win98???
I am sorry, the first argument is not good enough, eye candy is not exactly rocket science innovation is it?
The sencond argument is a head shaker, they "innovated" so now the system actually works mostly?!? It is bloody long overdue!
Man that is lame, as far as innovation goes. Some credit? Sure: it is slightly less lame then it used to be.
These are things that WOULD impress me:
- security.
- stability.
- Manageability.
So far, even XP is gravely behind *any* other OS I know. Well except for SCO Open Server.
"/Dread"
The law stipulates what is protected by copyright and how. Break that law and you will be labelled a "pirate".
..and make overly broad restrictions in you EULA's, which might not actually be legally enforceble"in *my* country, and you may be labeled a "monopoly misuser"
Ehh not entirely,
Break the *EULA*, and you may be labeled a pirate.. Big difference..
Errr, aye matey!
"/Dread
straight from the fish:
"Ali Baba at 9 o!"
"Ali Kuchen bei 9 o!"
"Ali cake with 9 o!"
I hope the US mil. has a beter babelfish...
"/Dread"
Unless the caffeine, and related toxins in cofee and sleep deprivation kills you sooner of course.
"/Dread"
Since when is there a clear cut definition of an "OS"? Please point me to it, I might learn something. People cannot even agree on the size of a Megabyte, let alone a complex beast like an OS.
;-) or "troll" for giving a unpopular opinion strongly, or godforbid "funny" without humourous intent. So here goes.
;-) The real dangers are more obscure: What if Linux is outlawed by side effects of company patents, and insane law like the DMCA?
If I dont explain, I'll be modded overrated (without being rated
Please draw the line in OS functionalities:
- From the jargon file (do you own googling, pls): Operating System: The foundation software of a machine, of course; that which schedules tasks, allocates storage, and presents a default interface to the user between applications.
Thats the hacker definition.
How come "playing media" is NOT a "default interface" for many hackers? I understand, and the jargon files says so too, Unix. MS-DOS et al are the primary role models for an OS and they do not have it.
But really, in a zen kind of way (what *IS* an OS) I would argue the a minimal OS is not the OS, its what we call the "BIOS", the maximal OS does not exist. It has somewthing to do with "Default" and "interface", but "Default" translates to "the current norm" and ALL software "interfaces".
So I say playing media by the OS is a good thing, it means programmers can use it always, and users can count on it. After all, the world DOES expect an "OS" to be rock solid secure right? I mean, even MS Windows is getting a bad name nowadays
Unlikely, well I hope so. Impossible? Not if the governement gets to decide what software builders can do in so much detail. DRM is not dangerous, it is mandating DRM in everything that is. To get back at media playing... A DRM system that cannot be controlled completely by the owner of the system should be outlawed... NOW. He, Mario Monte, that was a hint.
"/Dread"
They will be suprising no matter what product you examine on "enviromental impact"
"/Dread"
"linux's saving grace is that its average user is typically more savvy than your average windows user is."
No. The biggest win for Linux is it is designed with security in mind. That way the propagation speed of virusses on Linux, is less than its detection speed.
Also the problems virusses cause will be less severe, -au contrare- to some OSses I know, which let virusses in user space happily destroy the system.
It is not some mythical "smart linux user" who bravely fights off all security breaches. It IS the system.
"/Dread"
The true cost of any product is the cost MINUS the benefit.
Upgrading something, like a proc, only to find out the MoBo fails after 2 months is NOT cost effective.
Why do people not question real insanities like, oh, trading money orso. Or Litigious Bastardry. Or money spend to "protect Intellectual Property". Things that cost huge effords, with no added value, but we pay for anyway.
People say, "look a new industry" and point to McAfee AntiVirus. I can only shake my head, and upgrade.
For the sysadmins: Try calculating the amount of time YOU spend, on protecting Other People's IP.
"/Dread"
- The ability to have a choice over the matter.
"id like my volvo with a open hood tyvm"
"/Dread"
Does that mean they want us all to wear portable MRI scans?
"Look, it seems he is listening to Metallica! He must pay!"
Somehow I really doubt this will work...
"/Dread"
"Especially since this lawsuit represents little long term harm to Novell."
That seems understating the importance of Linux for Novell Nowadays.
To me it looks like, Novell is betting the farm on Linux currently. And wisely so.
"/Dread"
Just pull your account from EV1.
"/Dread"
If you say Artists ignore function, pop-art (and boatloads of later art) has apparently escaped your radar.
"/Dread"
FSF could sue over GPL infringement (if they have the copyright I think)
But why bother? They have often said sueing is their last efford, and will try friendly talks first always.
But why bother? SCO is a dead man standing.
And if somehow Baby Jesus resurrects them, FSF can sue them later.
"/Dread"
I guess thats why Bush wants to change all that pesky "rights" in the constitution. All people are equal, but gays are not f.e.
In theory, the US constitution, is more liberal then the UK's kingdom, or for that matter the Dutch Kingdom.
In practice, I have some serious doubts that America still is the land of the free.
"/Dread"
If you can whistle in tune, you can tune a guitar.
;-) sorry about that.
Yes. I do play the guitar. Tuning your guitar will not teach you to tune. -listening- and singing (or fiddling with the knobs) will teach you that.
I actually think tuning is very easy for 95% of the populous. Most kids age 10 can do it flawlessly, if they sing regulary.
I allege giving a ground key, and some knobs, this 95% of all people can tune anything. There is nothing magically that needs to be learned, other then the half-note interval "feel".
Ok, I -was- pompous
"/Dread"
The best way to make new law, is to mandate it has to replace an old one or two. Enough is enough! Of course then we will end up with 10 commandments, no nine.. no eight.. no wait a sec.. Anarchy! But thats a good thing.
"/Dread"
Not be be pompous or anything, but if have to -learn- to be in tune*, please do not play for anybody else then yourself.
If you have not learned it by the time you can sing "Happy Birthday" you should probably not bother at all.
"/Dread"
* "In tune", not "In absolute tune"
In the old days, when I was young system admin, it was called "Monkey Testing".
It went something like this:
You position yourself behind a functional input screen, and start hammering viciously and blindly. The latter is important, the more blind the better, it invokes he Holy Random God. Repeat for 5 minutes. You repeat this for each input screen.
If the screen showed anything similar to "ERROR: OTHER INPUT EXPECTED" it passed.
If it showed anything similar to "OK, 98zxc3v4^DD^C^Z NEW CUSTOMERS ADDED" or failed to read at all due to overly blinkeyness or so, it failed.
I understand MS needs more monkeys.
"/Dread"
You do not. Or along the same line "How do you balance Apples and Orange Alien Artefacts?"
I think it was Kant who said something like "Religion is by its nature undefined"
Sounds like the exact opposite of science.
"/Dread"