I don't agree, as said before by Dwonis in reply to this same article (Why portscanning must be legal): Let's say you're shopping around for a web hosting provider. A lot of them will say "secure and reliable", but you know that doesn't really mean anything. So, you decide to run a few trivial security checks on their servers, including running a port scan.
So, if you ask around you probably will find more non-illegal uses of portscanning.
This is not as simple as it sounds. Anyone who knows how to program using sockets knows that it's very, very, very easy to do a portscan program. It's one of my firsts sockets tests.
So, if there are newbies and clueless that can easyly create a portscan program, how can we consider guilty, and judge them, while experienced and ill-intencioned programers use zombies-like computers?
Then we will reach the same old discussion about guns. Considering innocents guilty, and ill-intencioned indivudues innocent!
There's also another point. What can be considered portscaning? If I verify randomly 100 ports a day, I can portscan a server in 10 days, and than do whatever I want to.
There's a lot to discuss before put this in pratice. But, that's why we are here, isn't it?
Here in brazil it's obrigatory to keep prices updated in the shelves in the supermakets. We have two choices, or we keep it updated, or we come back to ye-old-price-label on each product.
Of course supermarkets won't come back to price-labels. So, they tryied many different solutions. One of the solution is use fluorescent lamp flicker to send data to digital price-informers in the shelves.
I have never seen any kind of thing like this working before. But it's really a nice idea.
Imagine, you pick the product from the shelf thinking that it costs $1.00, and by the time you pay it, it's $1.20!!!
To Microsoft guys tha hate Free-software guys (us):
Please, as I've asked before, leave us alone. Ok, we don't like windows, and we prefer a better OS, but most of us accept that there are people that want to make money by limitating people freedom.
Look at us, we are just a bunch of nerds that doesn't have nothing to do but work in a OS that normal users can't use. All you have to do is take care of your dear customers that can't use linux.
Keep your windows beautiful, and nice, easy to use, and with lots of automatic things. I'll tell you something, most of us hate this automatic stuff, so, let us with our difficult-to-leanr OS, and keep doing your job with your final user.
You keep trying and trying to "kill" our OS, by saying horrible things about it. If you want to talk about this, we can put both OS side by side, and watch technical details, I bet that any Distro-Co. will be very pleased to do this.
But if you try to compare your graphical interface, with ours. I bet that noone will show up. Yeah, that's right, we are not as good as you in User Interface.
Whatever, the point is. LEAVE US ALONE! And stop acting like you do. IMHO linux is technical superior, but you are the market leader, not us. And you deserve it, you have the best interface.
That's it, for me that's enough! I am declaring a personal war against RIAA. I was trying to understand that they need to own their money, and all that boring chat about copyrights. NOW THIS? What do they want? They want me to listen only what they want! Oh, c'mon.
I've talking about this since they began to sue napster. "WHERE ARE THEIR TECHNICAL ADVISORS?". Do they have any technical advisor to tell them that no matter what they do, there always will be another network, another way, another site, another anything?
They are trying to kill Napster, maybe they can do this, but then they'll have to kill Aimster, after this kill gnutella, and later kill freenet. And these are technologies that is avaiable today!
They don't have the right to sue Lauchcast, but as Stallamann said: US Government does not work for the people of USA, it works for RIAA, for MPAA, or whoever has tons of money! (patriots, I'm sorry, but that's my opinion, and Stallmann's too)
Please, somebody, help me to finish this dam thing!
Don't worry, I'm too angry with GWBush [to|every]day
As many has said here today, and as I have said before. Netscape IS DEAD. Reaffirming what I've said, Netscape has no morale, for me it is, and until they prove me the opposite, will alway be a horrible browser.
I have a wmDockApp that kills netscape and does nothing more than this. I'd really like to use Internet Explorer, but I can't.
Whatever... I hope Mozilla doesn't get hurt with all this confusion. I really belive in Mozilla, and also believe that NETSCAPE IS DEAD!
Yes, you're all rigth. Netscape was extinct in the evolution selection.
I always wonder if RIAA, and other stupid organizations that insist in this kind of witch-hunting, has any kind of technical adivisor. IMNSHO it's impossible to avoid data copying. Let's see, there were disperse sites sharing mp3, and they still exists. Now they're trying to kill Napster, they might try, but they won't get too far.
After Napster, we still have Aimster, and after this they have to hunt Gnutella, and after this they still have to worry with freenet, and then...
Needless to say that they will NEVER win. To be more explicity they will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER win. And that's it. We will ALWAYS find a new way.
We always find new ways to control what our children is doing or watching. I think that we need to raise them in a way that we do not need to do this.
Children also have their identity and we need to help them to recognize it, and preserve it. Who are they going to be if we don't teach them how to live without a cop always nearby?
We need to raise citizens that know what are the rules, and that the rules exist so they can live in society in peace. Police is good, not bad. Watching camera is for their security, not for watch what they are watching.
C'mon... we need to think better what we do with our children. They are not grown ups yet, we still can teach them that the world can be (and should be) a better place.
And nothing else to say. Linux will NEVER be what M$ OS is to regular users. Every programmer that I met that has ever tried linux loved it! Linux is for power users... Like slackware said: EXPERT FRIENDLY
Nothing else to say (I wish I had said this before)
There's no way for us to know how universal will it be. For example, Universal Serial Bus (USB) is not universal yet, and is competing with firewire. Maybe USB is not that universal.
The same can be told in this case, there's always somebody who doesn't like the universal interface, or the universal standard, or the universal communication, and will put in market different products with promisses like this: "Avoid Universal problemas, with specific solutions". And that's it, our Universal anything is not universal anymore.
IMHO we need to let market decides, of course it's not always the best product, but the best company who wins! (win? windows? what can we do? I also think that horrible products dies soon or later)
I know it might seems a flamethrower, but that's the way I think, and that's the way things seems to walk now a days.
As Nike said: "Zooooom!" (to those who watch TV commercials: Boing!)
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I know this won't bring lots of discussion, but, what about BeOS, some years ago was a huge promisse for graphic designers, for 3d animators, and alikes...
I think linux is better for programmers, and windows is better for end user. Why can't we have a OS better for desingers? I think that MacOS does this pretty well.
Is onipresence the linux goal? Is it better for linux comunity? I prefer to have my ye-old slackware (expert friendly), than use winz-mandrake-graph-final-user. If I ever need a friendly interface, I can find it at windows!
Whatever? Here is the question: Is this for the best of linux? or even better: Is this good for linux?
Hey, now we can do a remake. Does anybody remember that wondeful scene, where a robber is climbing a vertical wall. What else this weirdo artifact does?
Ok, let's wait for the next greatful invention, what about a Joker's toys? Those are nice! But maybe we'll have them avaiable 15 years from now!
For me, it's ok, I just wonder if they will find a way to remake former-called-prince's music.
Have anybody read Gilgamesh II (comics). At the beggining of the novel they explain that a war has exterminated all kinds of primates in South America (gee, they were talking about me!)
Why don't we just spam them back as V50 has said today? Or even better, we could DDos them. If they want us to lose our time reading what we don't want to, why can't we lose their time fixing what they could have avoid to?
I think that money it's not the solution! I saw wonderful solutions today at this same discussion, but IMHO it's better to hit them where it hurts, money and access limitations.
Who needs netscape? Netscape has no moral anymore, Navigator was a very good browser until its third version! Now... I'll let KillaZilla speak form me.
I began to use linux running from Winz instability, trying to find a solid ground to step, found this at linux. I thinks it's wonderful.
Whatever... the point is that nothing in my linux box is so instable as NS, I even have killazilla as a shortcut in my destop! That's ridiculous! As I saw once in a discussion list "WE WANT QUALITY!!!"
So, I think that Mozilla is a GREAT option, I know that Netscape 6 and Mozilla is "almost the same", but for me, Netscape is dead. I won't trust Netscape anymore, unless they make a wonderful-ultra-stable-new-Navigator.
Let them use Mozilla and leave NS. For me, it's for the best!
Everybody can buy a computer, and start producing open source software. It's cheap, simple, and anyone who can execute a task composed by various commands can program.
And how about biological research? It's not that cheap (at least it's not as cheap as computing). Who's going to spend money with Open Source Biology? Will it worth? Ok, there's always good guys/companies who will spend their money for the Science Evolution, but, will it be as big as Open Source Computing?
Why spend money with traffic generation?
All we have to do is connect all Windows machine directly to the network backbone! It's very effective. Here in the university (UFSCar) is how it works!
Forget about switches, routers, etc... Connect it all using HUBs! Connect 2.000 Windows Computers using HUBs and let the network administrator worry about the dam traffic.
Ah, and don't forget to call netadmin, asking why the network is soooo slow!
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How long will take until RIAA sues Freenet to?
And the best of it. How long will take until we have a contingent plan in case RIAA sues Freenet?
Don't worry. I'm too useless [to|every]day
you're right, how stupid I am. sorry.
I don't agree, as said before by Dwonis in reply to this same article (Why portscanning must be legal):
Let's say you're shopping around for a web hosting provider. A lot of them will say "secure and reliable", but you know that doesn't really mean anything. So, you decide to run a few trivial security checks on their servers, including running a port scan.
So, if you ask around you probably will find more non-illegal uses of portscanning.
Don't worry, I'm too contundent [to|every]day
This is not as simple as it sounds. Anyone who knows how to program using sockets knows that it's very, very, very easy to do a portscan program. It's one of my firsts sockets tests.
So, if there are newbies and clueless that can easyly create a portscan program, how can we consider guilty, and judge them, while experienced and ill-intencioned programers use zombies-like computers?
Then we will reach the same old discussion about guns. Considering innocents guilty, and ill-intencioned indivudues innocent!
There's also another point. What can be considered portscaning? If I verify randomly 100 ports a day, I can portscan a server in 10 days, and than do whatever I want to.
There's a lot to discuss before put this in pratice. But, that's why we are here, isn't it?
Don't worry. I'm too contundent [to|every]day
"Daddy, will galium arsenide and arsenic acid spills stop from that bad-chip-industry?"
"Yes, kids. It'll stop. Now, put your nose back to your face, and go to school."
Don't worry, I'm too depressed [to|every]day
Here in brazil it's obrigatory to keep prices updated in the shelves in the supermakets. We have two choices, or we keep it updated, or we come back to ye-old-price-label on each product.
Of course supermarkets won't come back to price-labels. So, they tryied many different solutions. One of the solution is use fluorescent lamp flicker to send data to digital price-informers in the shelves.
I have never seen any kind of thing like this working before. But it's really a nice idea.
Imagine, you pick the product from the shelf thinking that it costs $1.00, and by the time you pay it, it's $1.20!!!
Don't worry, I'm to bored [to|every]day
To Microsoft guys tha hate Free-software guys (us):
Please, as I've asked before, leave us alone. Ok, we don't like windows, and we prefer a better OS, but most of us accept that there are people that want to make money by limitating people freedom.
Look at us, we are just a bunch of nerds that doesn't have nothing to do but work in a OS that normal users can't use. All you have to do is take care of your dear customers that can't use linux.
Keep your windows beautiful, and nice, easy to use, and with lots of automatic things. I'll tell you something, most of us hate this automatic stuff, so, let us with our difficult-to-leanr OS, and keep doing your job with your final user.
You keep trying and trying to "kill" our OS, by saying horrible things about it. If you want to talk about this, we can put both OS side by side, and watch technical details, I bet that any Distro-Co. will be very pleased to do this.
But if you try to compare your graphical interface, with ours. I bet that noone will show up. Yeah, that's right, we are not as good as you in User Interface.
Whatever, the point is. LEAVE US ALONE! And stop acting like you do. IMHO linux is technical superior, but you are the market leader, not us. And you deserve it, you have the best interface.
Don't worry, I'm too sad [to|every]day
The Sydney Morning Herald must start looking for a very good lawyer, because now that they are defending Napster RIAA will sue them too.
I also agree with EschewObfuscation, in his comment about this subject, It's not about money.
CAUTION SYDNEY MORNING HERALD. RIAA IS COMING AFTER YOU NOW!
Don't worry, I'm too angry [to|every]day
That's it, for me that's enough! I am declaring a personal war against RIAA. I was trying to understand that they need to own their money, and all that boring chat about copyrights. NOW THIS? What do they want? They want me to listen only what they want! Oh, c'mon.
I've talking about this since they began to sue napster. "WHERE ARE THEIR TECHNICAL ADVISORS?". Do they have any technical advisor to tell them that no matter what they do, there always will be another network, another way, another site, another anything?
They are trying to kill Napster, maybe they can do this, but then they'll have to kill Aimster, after this kill gnutella, and later kill freenet. And these are technologies that is avaiable today!
They don't have the right to sue Lauchcast, but as Stallamann said: US Government does not work for the people of USA, it works for RIAA, for MPAA, or whoever has tons of money! (patriots, I'm sorry, but that's my opinion, and Stallmann's too)
Please, somebody, help me to finish this dam thing!
Don't worry, I'm too angry with GWBush [to|every]day
As many has said here today, and as I have said before. Netscape IS DEAD. Reaffirming what I've said, Netscape has no morale, for me it is, and until they prove me the opposite, will alway be a horrible browser.
I have a wmDockApp that kills netscape and does nothing more than this. I'd really like to use Internet Explorer, but I can't.
Whatever... I hope Mozilla doesn't get hurt with all this confusion. I really belive in Mozilla, and also believe that NETSCAPE IS DEAD!
Yes, you're all rigth. Netscape was extinct in the evolution selection.
Don't worry, I'm too busy [to|every]day
I always wonder if RIAA, and other stupid organizations that insist in this kind of witch-hunting, has any kind of technical adivisor. IMNSHO it's impossible to avoid data copying. Let's see, there were disperse sites sharing mp3, and they still exists. Now they're trying to kill Napster, they might try, but they won't get too far.
After Napster, we still have Aimster, and after this they have to hunt Gnutella, and after this they still have to worry with freenet, and then...
Needless to say that they will NEVER win. To be more explicity they will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER win. And that's it. We will ALWAYS find a new way.
THERE'S NO WAY TO STOP DIGITAL (R)EVOLUTION
Don't worry, I'm too revolutionary [to|every]day
We always find new ways to control what our children is doing or watching. I think that we need to raise them in a way that we do not need to do this.
Children also have their identity and we need to help them to recognize it, and preserve it. Who are they going to be if we don't teach them how to live without a cop always nearby?
We need to raise citizens that know what are the rules, and that the rules exist so they can live in society in peace. Police is good, not bad. Watching camera is for their security, not for watch what they are watching.
C'mon... we need to think better what we do with our children. They are not grown ups yet, we still can teach them that the world can be (and should be) a better place.
Don't worry, I'm to worry [to}every]day
And nothing else to say. Linux will NEVER be what M$ OS is to regular users. Every programmer that I met that has ever tried linux loved it! Linux is for power users... Like slackware said: EXPERT FRIENDLY
Nothing else to say (I wish I had said this before)
Don't worry, I'm late [to|every]day
There's no way for us to know how universal will it be. For example, Universal Serial Bus (USB) is not universal yet, and is competing with firewire. Maybe USB is not that universal.
The same can be told in this case, there's always somebody who doesn't like the universal interface, or the universal standard, or the universal communication, and will put in market different products with promisses like this: "Avoid Universal problemas, with specific solutions". And that's it, our Universal anything is not universal anymore.
IMHO we need to let market decides, of course it's not always the best product, but the best company who wins! (win? windows? what can we do? I also think that horrible products dies soon or later)
I know it might seems a flamethrower, but that's the way I think, and that's the way things seems to walk now a days.
Don't worry, I'm to angry [to|every]day
As Nike said:
"Zooooom!"
(to those who watch TV commercials: Boing!)
Don't worry, I'm to stupid [to|every]day
I know this won't bring lots of discussion, but, what about BeOS, some years ago was a huge promisse for graphic designers, for 3d animators, and alikes...
I think linux is better for programmers, and windows is better for end user. Why can't we have a OS better for desingers? I think that MacOS does this pretty well.
Is onipresence the linux goal? Is it better for linux comunity? I prefer to have my ye-old slackware (expert friendly), than use winz-mandrake-graph-final-user. If I ever need a friendly interface, I can find it at windows!
Whatever? Here is the question: Is this for the best of linux? or even better: Is this good for linux?
Don't worry, I'm upset [to|every]day
Hey, now we can do a remake. Does anybody remember that wondeful scene, where a robber is climbing a vertical wall. What else this weirdo artifact does?
Ok, let's wait for the next greatful invention, what about a Joker's toys? Those are nice! But maybe we'll have them avaiable 15 years from now!
For me, it's ok, I just wonder if they will find a way to remake former-called-prince's music.
Don't worry, I'm to stupid [to|every]day
Have anybody read Gilgamesh II (comics). At the beggining of the novel they explain that a war has exterminated all kinds of primates in South America (gee, they were talking about me!)
Will us survive? It give me creeps!
Don't worry, I'm dumb [to|every]day
HEY! we could spam spammers forwarding this newsgroup to them.
Probably it won't work, but we could laugh a lot!
Don't worry, I'm to tired [to|every]day
Why don't we just spam them back as V50 has said today? Or even better, we could DDos them. If they want us to lose our time reading what we don't want to, why can't we lose their time fixing what they could have avoid to?
I think that money it's not the solution! I saw wonderful solutions today at this same discussion, but IMHO it's better to hit them where it hurts, money and access limitations.
Don't worry, I'm in pain [to|every]day
Who needs netscape? Netscape has no moral anymore, Navigator was a very good browser until its third version! Now... I'll let KillaZilla speak form me.
I began to use linux running from Winz instability, trying to find a solid ground to step, found this at linux. I thinks it's wonderful.
Whatever... the point is that nothing in my linux box is so instable as NS, I even have killazilla as a shortcut in my destop! That's ridiculous! As I saw once in a discussion list "WE WANT QUALITY!!!"
So, I think that Mozilla is a GREAT option, I know that Netscape 6 and Mozilla is "almost the same", but for me, Netscape is dead. I won't trust Netscape anymore, unless they make a wonderful-ultra-stable-new-Navigator.
Let them use Mozilla and leave NS. For me, it's for the best!
Don't worry, I'm in a bad mood [to|every]day
Everybody can buy a computer, and start producing open source software. It's cheap, simple, and anyone who can execute a task composed by various commands can program.
And how about biological research? It's not that cheap (at least it's not as cheap as computing). Who's going to spend money with Open Source Biology? Will it worth? Ok, there's always good guys/companies who will spend their money for the Science Evolution, but, will it be as big as Open Source Computing?
The question: Will it work?
Don't worry, I'm upset [to|every]day!
Why spend money with traffic generation?
All we have to do is connect all Windows machine directly to the network backbone! It's very effective. Here in the university (UFSCar) is how it works!
Forget about switches, routers, etc... Connect it all using HUBs! Connect 2.000 Windows Computers using HUBs and let the network administrator worry about the dam traffic.
Ah, and don't forget to call netadmin, asking why the network is soooo slow!
Never mind. I'm too angry [every|to]day
Hey, stop it, and let us use our dam software!
Why don't you sell your software and we'll sell ours! stop doing it!
LEAVE US ALONE!!!
Who wants to watch TV? TV is for weaks!